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I note that Bulgaria could only get a draw against Kosovo.0
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Any Instagrams from the lobbies yet?0
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The world rugby ranking has Ireland in 3rd, just behind Wales, well ahead of England.Drutt said:
Currently 5/1-ish, as are ENG for Euros, in from 7/1-ish to 5/1-ish today.SeanT said:
England were just fifteen bad minutes at Cardiff from winning a Grand Slam (if they'd won that I think they would have gone on to crush Scotland).Scott_P said:Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?
They have an odd fragility as we saw in Cardiff (and in the 2nd half against Scotland) but they are also the team that annihilated Ireland IN Dublin etc etc
I'd have England as 2nd or 3rd faves to win the World Cup. Not a bad place.
That's nonsense. I think England are clearly better than Ireland, who have peaked.
The French are the dark horse (as ever). They have astonishing young talent (a bit like England in football). If the coach goes mad and unleashes it, they could win the whole shebang (god forbid).0 -
Yeah, maybe - but I don't really consider it a proper World Cup since the stupid decision to reduce the number of teams and squeeze out the Associates.TheScreamingEagles said:
2019 might also be the year England win the cricket world cup.SeanT said:
Yes, it's not coincidence. It's the same as Britain out-performing in the Olympics. We have finally worked out how to produce good sportsmen and women, and good team spirit.SouthamObserver said:
It’s high quality - and it’s only going to get better. We are or have very recently been world champions at all levels from U16 to U23. The investments the PL clubs have made in youth development are now paying huge dividends.SeanT said:
Yes. I'd give us a sporting chance against any side in the world. Also we aren't totally reliant on one great player - Gascoigne, Rooney etc. This is a proper TEAM. We have stars like Kane but they aren't totally pivotal.SouthamObserver said:
As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.SeanT said:This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.
Very seductive
There's a science to it, and we have copied the best, and we are prospering thereby. It helps we have lots of money, comparatively.
More of an upjumped Champions Trophy, really.0 -
Hopefully the two extra it needsScott_P said:0 -
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MarqueeMark said:
I note that Bulgaria could only get a draw against Kosovo.
Luxembourg was a last minute own goal away from holding Ukraine to a draw. Instead Ukraine retain their 100% record against them. The team with most matches and a 100% win record against them is Russia (10 matches), but it turns out that England is second most (9 matches).MarqueeMark said:I note that Bulgaria could only get a draw against Kosovo.
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Just because he fancied the occasional unconventional shag, doesn't make him a bad person or a bad politician.TheScreamingEagles said:
When we let Welsh people run Wales you chose Ron Davies.mwjfrome17 said:
Yes well your country gave us John Redwood as Secretary of State, so piss off, Nigel. xxTheScreamingEagles said:
I hate the Welsh rugby fans.SeanT said:
I think you are too hard on Wales. They are genuinely good. 14 wins in a row? Beat Ireland (easily) and England?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm confident that at the end of the world cup England will still be the only Northern Hemisphere nation to have won the world cup.Scott_P said:Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?
They have also beaten S Africa and Oz recently, all they need to do is get over their All Blacks hoodoo (or hope that someone else takes the Kiwis out first) and they could easily win the World Cup.
If England can't do it, I'll be lustily supporting the Taffs.
A bunch of bigoted bellends they are.
It is all those years of being called a Nigel and told where to stick the sweet chariot has consequences.
Bring back John Redwood.0 -
Awkward....He might not be getting quite so many invites onto the cable news networks in the forthcoming months.
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Football should be played with the feetScott_P said:Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?
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Sofia, so good?MarqueeMark said:I note that Bulgaria could only get a draw against Kosovo.
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It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
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That's an angle... who is Richard Harrington?Scott_P said: 0 -
Here we go...0
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Letwin amendment PASSES
For 329
Against 302
Government loses and Parliament will take control on Wednesday of Commons business and hold indicative votes on all the Brexit options0 -
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Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
Hurrah.0
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I don't know what it achieves, either.Pulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
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So Harrington needn’t have sacrificed his job then.0
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Letwin wins 329 v 3020
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MPs briefly discovered their spines.0
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Hurrah for the ERG.0
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Well ...0
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Not a surpriseHYUFD said:Letwin amendment PASSES
For 329
Against 302
Government loses and Parliament will take control on Wednesday of Commons business and hold indicative votes on all the Brexit options0 -
Now for the process of MPs collectively failing to find an agreement on the best way forward.0
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This is no longer a government. How do they expect to get anything controversial out with Brexit through?
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The government isn't trusted, even by its own MPs. You don't know whether a majority for something will emerge or not.Pulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
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Jeremy Corbyn next UK PM, the UK is screwedHYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
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The WA part of May's deal is BINO anyway, and that's nowhere near a majority ! Simply because the PM's name is going to be removed from something or other that passes shouldn't be a reason for supporting it or not.HYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
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We'll we've already got a LINO.HYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
time for a GE , I hope the ERG and DUP VONC the government0
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Lining up for the Dolchstoßlegende.TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah for the ERG.
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Yippee - Euro elections and a huge spike in payments to the EU.
Happy days.0 -
Is there an app called 'Random MP name generator' or am I just getting old and can't recognise these political titans?Scott_P said:0 -
The key requirement of the EU for long extension was indicative votes of what Parliament wants and taking part in the EU Parliament elections, whatever now happens today was the first step in extending Art 50 for years if not indefinitely, as confirmed by May today saying if the Commons will not vote for No Deal or her Deal it will have to be extension and participation in the EU Parliament electionsPulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
https://twitter.com/mattwestern_/status/1110301622708654083?s=210 -
England boss Gareth Southgate said he would report Montenegro to Uefa after claiming full-back Danny Rose was racially abused by home fans in Podgorica.
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Nothing has changed! I've been found in contempt of the house before, I will ignore it again! Nothing has changed!0
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Lidington's commitment was vague and very hedged, and didn't amount to much more than sort of unspecified debate later this week. Letwin is more specific in terms of process and timescale.Sean_F said:
I don't know what it achieves, either.Pulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
https://twitter.com/mattwestern_/status/1110301622708654083?s=21
But the real significant is symbolic - that the government whip has been decisively beaten and MPs are now determined to take a greater role.0 -
Christ no wonder May has no authority if that's the tosh she's coming out with.HYUFD said:
The key requirement of the EU for long extension was indicative votes of what Parliament wants and taking part in the EU Parliament elections, whatever now happens today was the first step in extending Art 50 for years if not indefinitely, as confirmed by May today saying if the Commons will not vote for No Deal or her Deal it will have to be extension and participation in the EU Parliament electionsPulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
https://twitter.com/mattwestern_/status/1110301622708654083?s=210 -
That is not control! It’s just an order paper destined for a bin.HYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.
Control is power. The power is in the hands of people who if you don’t pass the WA will take us out with clean brexit. They won’t go to Europe with an indicative vote in their hands begging for long delay and soft brexit renegotiation.
This vote tonight is a hideous moment in terms of getting the WA passed. We are slipping out of EU in a fit of blinkered madness.0 -
The day the Brexit died.0
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Guaranteeing BINO, albeit Boris likely becomes Leader of the Oppositionkjohnw said:
Jeremy Corbyn next UK PM, the UK is screwedHYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
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Think I might volunteer Wednesday afternoons to be a government minister, think they need the help?0
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I agree with this, wtf the Cons are doing is beyond me.kjohnw said:
Jeremy Corbyn next UK PM, the UK is screwedHYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
the day parliament told the British People to do one, the instruction of the people has been ignored at what cost to our democracyHYUFD said:
The key requirement of the EU for long extension was indicative votes of what Parliament wants and taking part in the EU Parliament elections, whatever now happens today was the first step in extending Art 50 for years if not indefinitely, as confirmed by May today saying if the Commons will not vote for No Deal or her Deal it will have to be extension and participation in the EU Parliament electionsPulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
https://twitter.com/mattwestern_/status/1110301622708654083?s=210 -
As long as it is only LOTO, that is fineHYUFD said:
Guaranteeing BINO, albeit Boris likely becomes Leader of the Oppositionkjohnw said:
Jeremy Corbyn next UK PM, the UK is screwedHYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.
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I was under the impression that we Post-EURef Brits were the most racist nation in Europe??FrancisUrquhart said:England boss Gareth Southgate said he would report Montenegro to Uefa after claiming full-back Danny Rose was racially abused by home fans in Podgorica.
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Essentially it enables the rebels to set the term of the indicative votes with a view to producing a convincing answer to the question, "We know what Parliament is against, but what is it for?" MPs didn't trust the Government not to set up a series of unlikely options to make the whole process look silly and easy to ignore.Sean_F said:
I don't know what it achieves, either.Pulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
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So did any PBers predict that the government was going to win today ?0
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The ERG, eh? Bless their little cashmere socks.0
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Yikes - 30 Tories rebelled.0
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Good. May not help, given MPs not backing things has been more a problem than anything else, but maybe we will get lucky.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment PASSES
For 329
Against 302
Government loses and Parliament will take control on Wednesday of Commons business and hold indicative votes on all the Brexit options
They are focusing on having internal arguments about Brexit rather than getting anything done about it, and will get everything they deserve.ralphmalph said:
I agree with this, wtf the Cons are doing is beyond me.kjohnw said:
Jeremy Corbyn next UK PM, the UK is screwedHYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.0 -
He’s always been a salty character.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Is there an app called 'Random MP name generator' or am I just getting old and can't recognise these political titans?Scott_P said:0 -
Letwin: 30 Tories
Bebb
Benyon
Boles
Brine
Burt
Clarke
Collins
Costa
Djanogly
Freeman
Green
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Harrington
Johnson (J)
Lee
Lefroy
Letwin
Masterton
Mitchell
Morgan
Neill
Newton
Sandbach
Soames
Spelman
Stevenson
Vaizey
Lab Against:
Barron
Campbell
Cooper
Flint
Hepburn
Hoey
Mann
Stringer
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Government? do we still have one of those?another_richard said:So did any PBers predict that the government was going to win today ?
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You're too impressionable Sunil... you'll be falling for the Leave campaign next!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I was under the impression that we Post-EURef Brits were the most racist nation in Europe??FrancisUrquhart said:England boss Gareth Southgate said he would report Montenegro to Uefa after claiming full-back Danny Rose was racially abused by home fans in Podgorica.
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Brine rubs salt into the woundAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Is there an app called 'Random MP name generator' or am I just getting old and can't recognise these political titans?Scott_P said:
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That was quite a few days ago.OnlyLivingBoy said:The day the Brexit died.
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I'm not booking Wednesday off to watch the HOC, having said it wants to find a solution because the the PM's deal is unpopular, find its proposals are also unpopular and that it can't find a solution.0
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What the hell is this fetishisation of the DUP? Either the ERG climb down or they don't. What the drum bashes have to say is incidental.Scott_P said:And still they fight on...
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110305145441710080
Do they take the DUP whip, or what?0 -
Any prediction for this one?0
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Not a good day for the government.
- May prevented from running indicative votes, despite expecting to be defeated on the amendment
- May forced to recognise an effective parliamentary veto on any no deal exit
- The government doesn't appear to have made progress building support for MV3
- Loss on Letwin bigger than expected, coupled with more junior resignations.0 -
Yvette Cooper against??Pulpstar said:Letwin: 30 Tories
Bebb
Benyon
Boles
Brine
Burt
Clarke
Collins
Costa
Djanogly
Freeman
Green
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Harrington
Johnson (J)
Lee
Lefroy
Letwin
Masterton
Mitchell
Morgan
Neill
Newton
Sandbach
Soames
Spelman
Stevenson
Vaizey
Lab Against:
Barron
Campbell
Cooper
Flint
Hepburn
Hoey
Mann
Stringer0 -
First its sportsmen who look younger than you are then its policemen then its politicians.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Is there an app called 'Random MP name generator' or am I just getting old and can't recognise these political titans?Scott_P said:0 -
This is a post that did not age well.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Humbled by a small Balkan nation, which uses the Euro. Better get used to it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh bugger.....
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Nope, it will be indefinite extension and we will probably never leave, provided there are Commons indicative votes showing what the Commons might agree and we participate in the EU elections the EU and Tusk made clear there can be a lengthy extensiondots said:
That is not control! It’s just an order paper destined for a bin.HYUFD said:
Parliament just has taken control, BINO here we comedots said:
It produced a Tory government! They won.HYUFD said:
Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.dots said:So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.
Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.
Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.
Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.
Nothing else is in play!
May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.
The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority
Stop going by what May says. On No Deal May is looking all ways at once. What a laughable position. What a laughable caricature she has become. What she rules out before lunch she rules back in before tea!
Truth is, when it comes to the crunch, there’s more clean brexiteers in cabinet, government, party than those that would stop them. That’s what the failed coup proved.
You are being proved wrong HY, Parliament cannot take control, and no one From this government will be allowed by their colleagues to fly to Europe and beg for that long extension.
Control is power. The power is in the hands of people who if you don’t pass the WA will take us out with clean brexit. They won’t go to Europe with an indicative vote in their hands begging for long delay and soft brexit renegotiation.
This vote tonight is a hideous moment in terms of getting the WA passed. We are slipping out of EU in a fit of blinkered madness.0 -
The Commons can vote to mandate the moon on a stick for all the good it will do them. May remains Prime Minister and if she refuses to yield to the will of the house it only leaves two options.
One, the house tries to remove her government with a no confidence vote,. The ERG would hug her close and she would win. Or, if a squeaked loss, she remains PM until or unless an alternative PM could try for a confidence vote. Which puts us beyond the decision date for Brexit.
Two, the Tory party tries to remove her. She likely clings on ignoring the deputation which comes to her outside a of party rules. Or if a squeaked loss makes her resign, she remains PM until a Tory leadership campaign is concluded. Which also puts us beyond the decision date for Brexit.
She can go on and on. Regardless of what her party or the Commons think UNLESS a majority of MPs suddenly coalesce around a unity emergency government OR the Tories do so around a unity emergency leader.0 -
Looks like no news as usual. We are going to go on kicking this deal around as we basically have since November.
Brtiain wants to be inspired.
I'm convinced the economy would be energised with No deal.0 -
another_richard said:
So did any PBers predict that the government was going to win today ?
Didn’t Southam?0 -
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Rosie CooperBarnesian said:
Yvette Cooper against??Pulpstar said:Letwin: 30 Tories
Bebb
Benyon
Boles
Brine
Burt
Clarke
Collins
Costa
Djanogly
Freeman
Green
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Harrington
Johnson (J)
Lee
Lefroy
Letwin
Masterton
Mitchell
Morgan
Neill
Newton
Sandbach
Soames
Spelman
Stevenson
Vaizey
Lab Against:
Barron
Campbell
Cooper
Flint
Hepburn
Hoey
Mann
Stringer0 -
What are they voting on now?Benpointer said:Any prediction for this one?
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Nicky Morgan’s bizarre Brexit journey continues, then.0
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kle4 said:
If there's a majority for that then it was inevitable whatever the result of the vote today, since a way would have been found.TGOHF said:Yippee - Euro elections and a huge spike in payments to the EU.
Happy days.
No point in the DUP propping up this pathetic government - GE here we come..
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Rosie Cooper.Barnesian said:
Yvette Cooper against??Pulpstar said:Letwin: 30 Tories
Bebb
Benyon
Boles
Brine
Burt
Clarke
Collins
Costa
Djanogly
Freeman
Green
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Harrington
Johnson (J)
Lee
Lefroy
Letwin
Masterton
Mitchell
Morgan
Neill
Newton
Sandbach
Soames
Spelman
Stevenson
Vaizey
Lab Against:
Barron
Campbell
Cooper
Flint
Hepburn
Hoey
Mann
Stringer0 -
They want someone else to blame.dixiedean said:
What the hell is this fetishisation of the DUP? Either the ERG climb down or they don't. What the drum bashes have to say is incidental.Scott_P said:And still they fight on...
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110305145441710080
Do they take the DUP whip, or what?0 -
Oh it would be energised alright. Not in a good wayJoeJamesBroughton said:Looks like no news as usual. We are going to go on kicking this deal around as we basically have since November.
Brtiain wants to be inspired.
I'm convinced the economy would be energised with No deal.0 -
No, Rosie Cooper MP for Leave voting West LancashireBarnesian said:
Yvette Cooper against??Pulpstar said:Letwin: 30 Tories
Bebb
Benyon
Boles
Brine
Burt
Clarke
Collins
Costa
Djanogly
Freeman
Green
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Harrington
Johnson (J)
Lee
Lefroy
Letwin
Masterton
Mitchell
Morgan
Neill
Newton
Sandbach
Soames
Spelman
Stevenson
Vaizey
Lab Against:
Barron
Campbell
Cooper
Flint
Hepburn
Hoey
Mann
Stringer0 -
"They are focusing on having internal arguments about Brexit rather than getting anything done about it, and will get everything they deserve."
let me see how you feel about that when Corbyn unleashes full blown marxism on the UK and we become like Venezuela. It will make no deal look like heaven0 -
In effect, yes. And boy howdy do the DUP love it. Too much, since there probably won't be a Tory government for much longer for them to lord it over, but they just cannot seem to help themselves stringing them along, no doubt demanding huge amounts behind the scenes, and generally acting like they don't care what happens because their seats are almost all safe.dixiedean said:
What the hell is this fetishisation of the DUP? Either the ERG climb down or they don't. What the drum bashes have to say is incidental.Scott_P said:And still they fight on...
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110305145441710080
Do they take the DUP whip, or what?
Some ERG people want to climb down but are too embarrassed to do so without DUP cover. The DUP probably don't want want to be seen as the reason others climbed down, so want others to do it first.0 -
Once we have digested the effect of this HoC, worth reading this about Avenatti...he is in a world of hurt, some crazy crazy allegations.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/michael-avenatti-to-be-charged-with-wire-and-bank-fraud.html0 -
F. Other plan to block no dealAndyJS said:
What are they voting on now?Benpointer said:Any prediction for this one?
More technically prescriptive than amendment C, this says that if the UK is seven calendar days from leaving without a deal, the house should be recalled to consider a motion on whether or not MPs approve such a move.0 -
Ah thanks. Thought it was bizarre.Pulpstar said:
Rosie CooperBarnesian said:
Yvette Cooper against??Pulpstar said:Letwin: 30 Tories
Bebb
Benyon
Boles
Brine
Burt
Clarke
Collins
Costa
Djanogly
Freeman
Green
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Harrington
Johnson (J)
Lee
Lefroy
Letwin
Masterton
Mitchell
Morgan
Neill
Newton
Sandbach
Soames
Spelman
Stevenson
Vaizey
Lab Against:
Barron
Campbell
Cooper
Flint
Hepburn
Hoey
Mann
Stringer0 -
Taxes are going to have to rise to pay the extra EU membership fees - may as well let Jezza raise em.
There really is no point in this government - let it fall.0 -
I think she just wants to try and find a consensus, as does say Masterton (And Indeed Letwin and Soames) who also voted for Letwin. Do not confuse all the votes there for 2nd ref/revoke or even Corbyn's customs unicorn.SouthamObserver said:Nicky Morgan’s bizarre Brexit journey continues, then.
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UKIP already up to 9% with Opinium tonight, even before tonight's vote. Farage almost certain to launch his Brexit Party soon too.kjohnw said:
the day parliament told the British People to do one, the instruction of the people has been ignored at what cost to our democracyHYUFD said:
The key requirement of the EU for long extension was indicative votes of what Parliament wants and taking part in the EU Parliament elections, whatever now happens today was the first step in extending Art 50 for years if not indefinitely, as confirmed by May today saying if the Commons will not vote for No Deal or her Deal it will have to be extension and participation in the EU Parliament electionsPulpstar said:
So ? Letwin is about a process that the Gov't said it would follow anyway. Still doesn't produce a majority for anything in the house.SouthamObserver said:Warwick and Leamington MP ...
https://twitter.com/mattwestern_/status/1110301622708654083?s=21
As if on cue...
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1110305907441836043?s=20
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