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Chukka is the chosen spokesperson of the Tiggers, who have significant numbers in a key vote.justin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.
Perhaps should have sent Luciana Berger.0 -
Crest on podium. So it’s not an election.0
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Some advice on the best tactic to avoid No Deal could be in there I reckon.Sandpit said:
Ooh, any book running on what she’ll say?Big_G_NorthWales said:
8.15Sandpit said:Just got back from pub. Are we getting the PM on telly tonight?
1. It’s Her Deal or No Deal?
2. It’s Her Deal or we remain?
3. Nothing has changed?
4. Election to be called?
5. She’s resigning?
6. Something else.0 -
Or maybe he had a conference call with Hamas he couldn't bunk?FrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe he got word his jam was boiling over? Or that he has done his 8hr shift for the day already?JosiasJessop said:So we now know that Corbyn is willing to call murderers and terrorists his friends, but refuses to be in a meeting with someone who served Labour faithfully for years ...
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There are no “rules” for this.justin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.
Corbyn is just being a baby, as usual. He is one of the fathers of Brexit. Necessary, though not sufficient.0 -
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.0 -
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?Barnesian said:We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
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Well they are having a spot of bother at the moment...their own people are protesting against them.dyedwoolie said:
Or maybe he had a conference call with Hamas he couldn't bunk?FrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe he got word his jam was boiling over? Or that he has done his 8hr shift for the day already?JosiasJessop said:So we now know that Corbyn is willing to call murderers and terrorists his friends, but refuses to be in a meeting with someone who served Labour faithfully for years ...
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Congratulations, enjoy the party!RochdalePioneers said:In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
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Mrs May wants her Deal or No Deal.
Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal.
The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal.
The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal.
Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly.
No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed.
No deal is where were are heading fast.
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Government crest in place.0
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The person who promotes Raw Gorilla lemon and chia munchies.RochdalePioneers said:In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
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And if it does?RoyalBlue said:
Let us know when it hits 17.4 million.IanB2 said:Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
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Freedom of Information request here:kjh said:
Link to the GLA report? Have you got that? Does it exist? Context? Or are just quoting other Brexiteers like yourself who just made up the numbers. All the other quotes of numbers - Are you just ignoring them or just believing stuff you want to believe?Casino_Royale said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/05/peoples-vote-march-attended-third-number-organisers-claimed/amp/kjh said:
Go on give us a link to 270K that wasn't posted by you.Casino_Royale said:
Nope. That was in line with all the professional estimates, including neutral posters on here.kjh said:
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.kjh said:
Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you?Casino_Royale said:
So what?eek said:
70,000 now....Casino_Royale said:
Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?IanB2 said:Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
The counter is spinning happily.
Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.
I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/what_is_the_estimate_of_attendee
They say 25000, but I assume they missed a zero off. So 250 000.
Estimate of 1000 attending rival pro-credit march, which presumably also was missing a zero.
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“Most protest is seldom justified”RoyalBlue said:
In a country with a free press and competitive elections, most protest is seldom justified. In authoritarian regimes, it’s an act of bravery.DougSeal said:
That’s probably the silliest thing I have ever read on here. There are plenty of protests against settled policy contained in manifestos or referendums. Given that most people in Northern Ireland vote to stay in the union are republican demonstrations inherently undemocratic? Independence protests in Scotland or Quebec? Or anti-EEC demonstrations after the 1975 referendum? Or protests against the Poll Tax? I could go on. Protests are partly there to highlight causes and change views. They are asking for another vote on Saturday. It’s pushing the bounds of credulity to cal that “protrsting democracy”.RoyalBlue said:
No, because those took place before any decision had been made in Parliament. The nation has voted to leave, in a referendum promised in the winning party’s manifesto, prior to which it was made clear that the decision would be implemented either way. Protesting the implementation of that decision is protesting democracy.stodge said:
Do you think those who marched against the Iraq War and those who marched in favour of the Countryside (including a considerable number of Conservatives) were advertising their self regard and immaturity?RoyalBlue said:
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
They can be a very easy way to lose support, as well as gain it. I remember the huge amount of junk left on my morning walk to work after the anti-austerity protests and the last Remoaner fest. It didn’t endear me to either.
Proto-fascism or just utter tosh?0 -
Many congratulationsRochdalePioneers said:In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
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I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.Floater said:
Thats not why he walked out though is itjustin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.0 -
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.dyedwoolie said:
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?Barnesian said:We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
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Soubry was present as well.Foxy said:
Chukka is the chosen spokesperson of the Tiggers, who have significant numbers in a key vote.justin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.
Perhaps should have sent Luciana Berger.0 -
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.tottenhamWC said:
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.0 -
A phrase for which "crestfallen" was invented.tlg86 said:Government crest in place.
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CS when you get into one of these discussions you remind me of Plato. You are filtering out all the evidence and picking what suits you no matter how self deluding it looks, but believe others are doing the same and you are not. And you don't need to cos you have solid arguments, but getting into an argument over the numbers in a crowd is pointless and just leads others to bait you. All that matters was it was enormous. Whether that matters or not is debatable, but trying to argue with people it was smaller than it looks, makes you look silly. Does Trump and his crowd estimates come to mind at all?Casino_Royale said:
Your naivety is almost touching.Foxy said:
No, it was genuinely unexpectedly much larger than the June event. Certainly the very light police presence and lack of preparation by London Transport showed that those organisations did not expect so many. Fortunately the supreme good humour of the crowd prevented problems.Casino_Royale said:
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.Foxy said:
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.RoyalBlue said:
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.Foxy said:
Yeah, @Casino_Royale wasn't there to count.kjh said:
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.kjh said:Casino_Royale said:eek said:
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I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
You know 16 million voted Remain and that many are as passionate as you are for Leave. Wy are you so surprised that they want to publically express their views?
Your confirmation bias far less so.0 -
He is childish, petty, and not fit to lead a once great partyjustin124 said:
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.Floater said:
Thats not why he walked out though is itjustin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.0 -
I think I need a whisky before this speech. She's driving me to drink.0
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Hm.. party or not, leader or not, Chuka is spokesman for a group of 11* MPs which TM might want to influence. I can see why she'd ask him. I can also see why Corbyn would jump at a reason not to be seen talking to Tories, his MO throughout this.justin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.
(* and probably counting, depending how much TM's pissed off her moderate wing today)0 -
Corbyn stormed out the meeting because Chuka was present - arf !0
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A VONC in the government removes the PM and then it's up to the house to find a new one or go to GE. What sort if governing party is going to fail to remove its leader on its own rules but do so in parliament??Barnesian said:
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.dyedwoolie said:
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?Barnesian said:We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
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Coincidentally I've just had the first brandy of the week.Barnesian said:I think I need a whisky before this speech. She's driving me to drink.
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That's only a very narrow point.JosiasJessop said:So we now know that Corbyn is willing to call murderers and terrorists his friends, but refuses to be in a meeting with someone who served Labour faithfully for years ...
We know he is petulant. We know he cares a lot more about the appearance of things than the substance of them - the sort of charge one might have made of Blairites, rather deliciously. We know that he prefers creating division rather than bringing people together. We know he does not tolerate dissent or disagreement.
It's a litany of damming personal and political weaknesses that would make him a disastrous Prime Minister.0 -
Disagree.JosiasJessop said:
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.tottenhamWC said:
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants.0 -
All these MPs are utter self-absorbed and venal....0
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There are precedents for him to follow in that regard - such as Cameron's refusal to participate in all the 2015 election debates and Mays failure to take part at all in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is childish, petty, and not fit to lead a once great partyjustin124 said:
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.Floater said:
Thats not why he walked out though is itjustin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.0 -
Disagree.JosiasJessop said:
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.tottenhamWC said:
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants. She has continued to do so at every single opportunity.0 -
Oh give over...justin124 said:
There are precedents for him to follow in that regard - such as Cameron's refusal to participate in all the 2015 election debates and Mays failure to take part at all in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is childish, petty, and not fit to lead a once great partyjustin124 said:
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.Floater said:
Thats not why he walked out though is itjustin124 said:
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.Floater said:
So all you have is excusesjustin124 said:
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.Floater said:
I repeat the questionjustin124 said:
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.Floater said:
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?justin124 said:
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.rottenborough said:Corbyn showing his narrow minded petulance I see.
Bodes really well for when he is PM.0 -
Totally wrong. We're heading there agonizingly slowly even with barely a week to go.Concanvasser said:Mrs May wants her Deal or No Deal.
Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal.
The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal.
The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal.
Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly.
No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed.
No deal is where were are heading fast.0 -
That particular SKU just won gold as wellralphmalph said:
The person who promotes Raw Gorilla lemon and chia munchies.RochdalePioneers said:In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
Do I need to stock pile?0 -
One where it takes a majority of Conservative MPs to remove her using the Conservative rules, but only a dozen or so to remove her in Parliament?dyedwoolie said:
A VONC in the government removes the PM and then it's up to the house to find a new one or go to GE. What sort if governing party is going to fail to remove its leader on its own rules but do so in parliament??Barnesian said:
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.dyedwoolie said:
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?Barnesian said:We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
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I wonder if any member of the paid commentariat will be able to come up with an even half way unique or fresh observation to make on May's upcoming statement. A prize to those who resist putting in cliche'd comments from MPs feverishly texting them.0
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The legacy of breaking her party, probably the economy, and possibly the union. So it's a bluff.numbertwelve said:
I think she would as well. I think she does take her pledge to leave incredibly seriously. Now that might be massively misguided, particularly as I think she believes no deal is a bad outcome. But delivering Brexit overrides everything else in TMWorld. I’ve said it before - it’s a legacy thing.ralphmalph said:Seems May has told the leaders and the Tig2 that she will leave with no deal. The Tig2 believe her.
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Protests are people exercising their right to free speech and assembly at the same time and calling attention to causes. Doubtless in your world Jim Crow and segregation could have been overturned with a polite letter writing campaign by Dr King, and the suffragttes were better off asking nicely for the vote. Suggesting you can exercise only one fundamental right at a time is illiberal and we live in a liberal democracy.RoyalBlue said:
In a country with a free press and competitive elections, most protest is seldom justified. In authoritarian regimes, it’s an act of bravery.DougSeal said:
That’s probably the silliest thing I have ever read on here. There are plenty of protests against settled policy contained in manifestos or referendums. Given that most people in Northern Ireland vote to stay in the union are republican demonstrations inherently undemocratic? Independence protests in Scotland or Quebec? Or anti-EEC demonstrations after the 1975 referendum? Or protests against the Poll Tax? I could go on. Protests are partly there to highlight causes and change views. They are asking for another vote on Saturday. It’s pushing the bounds of credulity to cal that “protrsting democracy”.RoyalBlue said:
No, because those took place before any decision had been made in Parliament. The nation has voted to leave, in a referendum promised in the winning party’s manifesto, prior to which it was made clear that the decision would be implemented either way. Protesting the implementation of that decision is protesting democracy.stodge said:
Do you think those who marched against the Iraq War and those who marched in favour of the Countryside (including a considerable number of Conservatives) were advertising their self regard and immaturity?RoyalBlue said:
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
They can be a very easy way to lose support, as well as gain it. I remember the huge amount of junk left on my morning walk to work after the anti-austerity protests and the last Remoaner fest. It didn’t endear me to either.
The road from Twickenham Station to the stadium is covered in crap after any game there but you’re not advocating banning rugby.
Oh, and do try to find another ad hominem than the dreadfully tired and hackneyed “remoaner” - it’s SO 2016 my dear.
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We have already had a load of indicative votes....WhisperingOracle said:0 -
Lidlington already promised indicative votes, a promise now broken. Hence why MPs are so angry.WhisperingOracle said:0 -
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Well at least we know how serious Corbyn is about compromise. I know Chuka isn't everyone's cup of tea but he does lead a group of MPs larger in number than Plaid, DUP and Lib Dems0
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One is a secret ballot. Would be interesting if the other one was too. How many switchers...both ways?oldpolitics said:
One where it takes a majority of Conservative MPs to remove her using the Conservative rules, but only a dozen or so to remove her in Parliament?dyedwoolie said:
A VONC in the government removes the PM and then it's up to the house to find a new one or go to GE. What sort if governing party is going to fail to remove its leader on its own rules but do so in parliament??Barnesian said:
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.dyedwoolie said:
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?Barnesian said:We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
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MPs also voted an amendment that May would seek a long delay if MV3 were not to pass by today.IanB2 said:
Lidlington already promised indicative votes, a promise now broken. Hence why MPs are so angry.WhisperingOracle said:
And May promises the Remainers in her Cabinet she would not use Hard Brexit as a threat to force through her Deal.
May was, is, and will always be - a sweet lying hound.0 -
No, we have had yes/no amendments, with government and labour whipping. Indicative votes would be free votes and MPs could vote for all of the propositions they would be prepared to support.FrancisUrquhart said:
We have already had a load of indicative votes....WhisperingOracle said:0 -
Is she on yet ?0
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So good you said it twice.Gardenwalker said:
Disagree.JosiasJessop said:
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.tottenhamWC said:
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants. She has continued to do so at every single opportunity.
I see it differently: the ERGers position was obvious, and she was bowing to the inevitable. And at least by doing that she made progress: ignoring it would have made any progress impossible.
It's easy to forget that May's deal has the support from many who you would not necessarily expect to support it, for instance Richard Tyndall and CR on here. Many previous remainers also support it. It's just that for others, on both sides, compromise is impossible. And that would have been as true two years ago as it is now.0 -
Are we expecting anything other than 'nothing has changed'?
Come on MPs, break the party whip, get a grip and get control.0 -
She's going soon anyway (always was going to be this Spring/Summer IMO) but she's got Brexit to deliver first....Scott_P said:0 -
Sounds like a very diplomatic version of what was probably said.Scott_P said:0 -
Is May ever on time? MV3 on March 30th anyone?0
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Fair point. Can I substitute fast for nexorably ?kle4 said:
Totally wrong. We're heading there agonizingly slowly even with barely a week to go.Concanvasser said:Mrs May wants her Deal or No Deal.
Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal.
The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal.
The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal.
Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly.
No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed.
No deal is where were are heading fast.0 -
Indeed. I expect the reason the statement is inside this time so that we know for certain they are not just replaying the last one she made.Slackbladder said:Are we expecting anything other than 'nothing has changed'?
Come on MPs, break the party whip, get a grip and get control.0 -
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.Casino_Royale said:
But the police didn’t do their job that time.kle4 said:
It seems pointless to even estimate crowd numbers. Protestors always say it is one number, police estimates are then much much lower, stories are run on it being difficulty to estimate, and if someone is committed to the most or least impressive number it never persuades anyone else anyway. It was clearly a lot, beyond that no one will agree.Casino_Royale said:
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.Foxy said:
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.RoyalBlue said:
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.Foxy said:
Yeah, @Casino_Royale wasn't there to count.kjh said:
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.kjh said:
UnCasino_Royale said:
So what?eek said:
70,000 now....Casino_Royale said:
Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?IanB2 said:Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
The counter is spinning happily.
Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.
I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.0 -
Her dishonesty is hard to stomach, from any perspective. Calling the GE wasn't an aberration after all.Gardenwalker said:
MPs also voted an amendment that May would seek a long delay if MV3 were not to pass by today.IanB2 said:
Lidlington already promised indicative votes, a promise now broken. Hence why MPs are so angry.WhisperingOracle said:
And May promises the Remainers in her Cabinet she would not use Hard Brexit as a threat to force through her Deal.
May was, is, and will always be - a sweet lying hound.0 -
What's Martin Chivers doing in this picture?El_Capitano said:0 -
From "no one is talking about leaving the single market" to this:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/11084634448843612160 -
Don't feed the CR troll....Recidivist said:
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.Casino_Royale said:
But the police didn’t do their job that time.kle4 said:
It seems pointless to even estimate crowd numbers. Protestors always say it is one number, police estimates are then much much lower, stories are run on it being difficulty to estimate, and if someone is committed to the most or least impressive number it never persuades anyone else anyway. It was clearly a lot, beyond that no one will agree.Casino_Royale said:
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.Foxy said:
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.RoyalBlue said:
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.Foxy said:
Yeah, @Casino_Royale wasn't there to count.kjh said:
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.kjh said:
UnCasino_Royale said:
So what?eek said:
70,000 now....Casino_Royale said:
Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?IanB2 said:Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
The counter is spinning happily.
Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.
I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.0 -
I think another whisky is called for.williamglenn said:0 -
More than Westworld season 2?williamglenn said:0 -
running down the clockwilliamglenn said:
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Nope.Gardenwalker said:
MPs also voted an amendment that May would seek a long delay if MV3 were not to pass by today.0 -
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The revoke petition looks like it’ll tip over to 100k just as May starts speaking. Apt.0
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I can't be bothered to count so is the Green party included or doesn't it actually count?Pulpstar said:Well at least we know how serious Corbyn is about compromise. I know Chuka isn't everyone's cup of tea but he does lead a group of MPs larger in number than Plaid, DUP and Lib Dems
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The way May is now turning into a crazed No Dealer with just a week to go is like a WWF wrestler going from face to heel...IanB2 said:
Her dishonesty is hard to stomach, from any perspective. Calling the GE wasn't an aberration after all.Gardenwalker said:
MPs also voted an amendment that May would seek a long delay if MV3 were not to pass by today.IanB2 said:
Lidlington already promised indicative votes, a promise now broken. Hence why MPs are so angry.WhisperingOracle said:
And May promises the Remainers in her Cabinet she would not use Hard Brexit as a threat to force through her Deal.
May was, is, and will always be - a sweet lying hound.
She'll be smashing Bercow over the head with a chair next.0 -
Corbyn top trend on twitter. Bet not in a good way either.0
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Mason cracking off a comrade wank thererottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/11084605893980160000 -
In his defence I don't think anyone would dispute that that would indeed be a serious breach of parliamentary procedure.GIN1138 said:
The way May is now turning into a crazed No Dealer with just a week to go is like a WWF wrestler going from face to heel...IanB2 said:
Her dishonesty is hard to stomach, from any perspective. Calling the GE wasn't an aberration after all.Gardenwalker said:
MPs also voted an amendment that May would seek a long delay if MV3 were not to pass by today.IanB2 said:
Lidlington already promised indicative votes, a promise now broken. Hence why MPs are so angry.WhisperingOracle said:
And May promises the Remainers in her Cabinet she would not use Hard Brexit as a threat to force through her Deal.
May was, is, and will always be - a sweet lying hound.
She'll be smashing Bercow over the head with a chair next.0 -
The cult will still find a way to claim he is the bigger better man doing everything to stop Brexit....rottenborough said:Corbyn top trend on twitter. Bet not in a good way either.
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Stone cold! Stone cold!GIN1138 said:
The way May is now turning into a crazed No Dealer with just a week to go is like a WWF wrestler going from face to heel...IanB2 said:
Her dishonesty is hard to stomach, from any perspective. Calling the GE wasn't an aberration after all.Gardenwalker said:
MPs also voted an amendment that May would seek a long delay if MV3 were not to pass by today.IanB2 said:
Lidlington already promised indicative votes, a promise now broken. Hence why MPs are so angry.WhisperingOracle said:
And May promises the Remainers in her Cabinet she would not use Hard Brexit as a threat to force through her Deal.
May was, is, and will always be - a sweet lying hound.
She'll be smashing Bercow over the head with a chair next.0 -
A midlife crisis in slow motion is a remarkable thing.rottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/11084605893980160000 -
Corbyn is giving May a rare opportuniy to look reasonable. Whoever decided on the phrase 'stormed out of the meeting' didn't do Jeremy any favours0
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Is eating cheese and biscuits a elite, neo-liberal thing now?dyedwoolie said:
Mason cracking off a comrade wank thererottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1108460589398016000
I had no idea.
I am a member of the elite at last!
PS. I bet Mason never goes to any dinner parties in London.0 -
The Revoke Article 50 is putting on votes at about 300 a minute right now. If you are quick you'll see it hit 100,000
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/2415840 -
That or they will say something about hating jewsFrancisUrquhart said:
The cult will still find a way to claim he is the bigger better man doing everything to stop Brexit....rottenborough said:Corbyn top trend on twitter. Bet not in a good way either.
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How do I get an invite to the 'cheese and biscuits' circuit..?matt said:
A midlife crisis in slow motion is a remarkable thing.rottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/11084605893980160000 -
Eleven years is fine by me.williamglenn said:0 -
Well they are all vegan now so no cheese....rottenborough said:
Is eating cheese and biscuits a elite, neo-liberal thing now?dyedwoolie said:
Mason cracking off a comrade wank thererottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1108460589398016000
I had no idea.
I am a member of the elite at last!
PS. I bet Mason never goes to any dinner parties in London.0 -
Does "you couldn't make it up" do it anymore?dyedwoolie said:
Mason cracking off a comrade wank thererottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/11084605893980160000 -
According to labour just observe the sabbath and you're inSlackbladder said:
How do I get an invite to the 'cheese and biscuits' circuit..?matt said:
A midlife crisis in slow motion is a remarkable thing.rottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/11084605893980160000 -
When they said statement at 2030, did anyone check if that was time or year?0
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has she done a runner?
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1108462491737251841
My guess on exactly how short is: three words, approximately an anagram of "nation shagged nchh".0 -
Blackford on Sky. We need a second referendum. Can someone explain the SNP strategy to me, because if they get another ref and win, then all that will happen is the other political parties will say "Another referendum, just like you wanted in the EU ref." I would have thought the SNP would be defending referendums with small majorities to the hilt.0
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would "flounced" have been more favourable?Roger said:Corbyn is giving May a rare opportuniy to look reasonable. Whoever decided on the phrase 'stormed out of the meeting' didn't do Jeremy any favours
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Just fucking resign for Christ sake0
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No, only breathless self abuse justifies the righteousnessReggieCide said:
Does "you couldn't make it up" do it anymore?dyedwoolie said:
Mason cracking off a comrade wank thererottenborough said:Mason finally loses it completely:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/11084605893980160000 -
She only arrived back from the HOC ten minutes ago. At least she is meeting mps, not running away like somespire2 said:has she done a runner?
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