Now we know the answer to SeanT's earlier question: why was her cabinet looking so glum. They know she was going to give her tuppence worth to the nation.
MPs won't back the Deal but no majority can be found for anything else, either. Nothing has changed - and, in the meantime, Brexit on March 29th remains the law of the land.
Time until the DUP-ERG alliance achieves total victory: 9 days, 2 hours and 10 minutes.
Sturgeon: The one thing missing from that pointless PM speech was any acknowledgment of the massive responsibility she bears for this mess. She could have changed course after the first defeat of her deal. But she is still trying to force a choice between a bad deal and no deal. Shameful
Political nerds will think May's statement was crap. I suspect that in the country it will resonate.
Heard that one before with previous statements. It's never led to MPs suddenly thinking the same, and they are the ones who need to change their minds.
I did point out that the EU might not be so acquiescencent to an extension as everyone was assuming.... Did the remain/Labour wonders in the HoC listen ?!
Political nerds will think May's statement was crap. I suspect that in the country it will resonate.
Maybe, maybe not, but how does that help her. Is she expecting the people to besiege parliament or something until they capitulate? (How is Farage's march going BTW?) Is she planning to send tanks in to bombard the Place of Westminster a la Yeltsin?
I think the point of addressing the nation is usually to reiterate the position of the person making it, just to a wider audience. I'm reminded of Cameron addressing the nation to say he REALLY didn't want anyone to vote for Brexit. It wasn't aimed at politics followers. I have talked to someone today who said they were wary of voting Tory in case Theresa left!
I feel like even the PM's advisers should know that if someone could miss the entire statement while boiling a kettle for a fresh cup of tea, it's not really much of a political statement.
To be fair to Big G of the parish, concerned this morning that no deal crash was now back on menu G ahead of the game.
May was having an awful day until the EU saved her.
May was awful today.
She said parliaments already faffed around with too much indicative voting, the people, for whom she’s the champion have had enough of parliaments delaying tactics and inability to decide on brexit.
You couldn’t make it up.
And she capitulated on extension to those in her government working towards no deal brexit. Leadsom had seized control and the government (probably angies experience with obstinate children that has allowed her to outdo May).
Explain how in the national interest rather than own narrow self interest pm opposes the house having non legislative non binding indicative votes session one afternoon?
It keeps getting dangled as carrot you can never eat. At what point does the donkey wake up?
Ahead of last weeks vote on setting up indicative voting, pm deputy and her chancellor promised indicative votes would occur in the first two weeks of April if MV not approved, I believed them. I was taking in by both that, and May talking up longer delay to properly sort the mess that will come once her deal with EU is either laid to rest (or passed following a leaver ref on her deal). was it only because of the Lidington pledge that the government avoided defeat on amendment that would have allowed the Commons indicative votes? Going back to 1604 is there not some precedent where someone lies in commons to win or torpedo a vote can justly be hauled off to the tower?
But then something amazing happened. It was Tusk coming over the hill to save May. No extension till end of May, you vote for Mays deal any votes against it is vote for no deal brexit, guaranteeing Enough Labour perhaps even DUP votes to ensure May wins next week.
A master stroke, all remoaners, all ERG, all peoplevoters had their fox shot on the spot.
Tusk and EU pre ordained master plan, to protect red lines they own too remember, wether we can call it a deal or not, it belongs to them, they got us just where they want us.
Francois on C4 looking chipper at no deal brexit next week. Is he mad? Mays deal is 100% going to pass next week. an MP not voting for May’s deal MV3 will be voting for no deal brexit or abstaining to facilitate no deal brexit. Don’t tell me it’s going to be close, if you don’t support May and it results in no deal it will be printed on every leaflet through every letter box for ever more so every voter know you enabled the no deal brexit. Simples. 😂
The worst day for a British Prime Minister since fall of Chamberlain. And then the lady ended up winning the war thanks to her EU allies reinforcing her red lines. Who’d have thought it?
Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.
Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?
I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
70,000 now....
So what?
Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you?
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.
I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.
Nope. That was in line with all the professional estimates, including neutral posters on here.
Go on give us a link to 270K that wasn't posted by you.
Link to the GLA report? Have you got that? Does it exist? Context? Or are just quoting other Brexiteers like yourself who just made up the numbers. All the other quotes of numbers - Are you just ignoring them or just believing stuff you want to believe?
They say 25000, but I assume they missed a zero off. So 250 000. Estimate of 1000 attending rival pro-credit march, which presumably also was missing a zero.
He wants to find reasons to shoot down any lower estimate of numbers.
Sturgeon: The one thing missing from that pointless PM speech was any acknowledgment of the massive responsibility she bears for this mess. She could have changed course after the first defeat of her deal. But she is still trying to force a choice between a bad deal and no deal. Shameful
Hold on, for the last two years haven't opponents of May been saying again and again that a bad deal is better than no deal?
May was ridiculed by people for saying no deal is better than a bad deal, but it seems she should have we'll hold our breath and reject both.
You know when you have to go to a meeting, and it takes half an hour, and it's absolutely excruciating, and you come out, and you think it could have been sorted with a two-line email, and then you check your email history and that email has actually been sent two days ago?
How can there not be cabinet resignations at this stage? Surely the likes of Amber Rudd must now see this government and her role in it as utterly irretrievable? I don’t understand.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
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You know 16 million voted Remain and that many are as passionate as you are for Leave. Wy are you so surprised that they want to publically express their views?
Your naivety is almost touching.
Your confirmation bias far less so.
CS when you get into one of these discussions you remind me of Plato. You are filtering out all the evidence and picking what suits you no matter how self deluding it looks, but believe others are doing the same and you are not. And you don't need to cos you have solid arguments, but getting into an argument over the numbers in a crowd is pointless and just leads others to bait you. All that matters was it was enormous. Whether that matters or not is debatable, but trying to argue with people it was smaller than it looks, makes you look silly. Does Trump and his crowd estimates come to mind at all?
For a long time, I thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a bad job.
Not anymore.
The Prime Minister's latest move on Brexit goes beyond awkward fumbling—refusing to ask for a longer extension is downright reckless, and puts the whole country at risk.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbersit.
It seems pointless to even estimate crowd numbers. Protestors always say it is one number, police estimates are then much much lower, stories are run on it being difficulty to estimate, and if someone is committed to the most or least impressive number it never persuades anyone else anyway. It was clearly a lot, beyond that no one will agree.
But the police didn’t do their job that time.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.
You want to believe the highest number you can.
Whilst I understand that don’t expect the rest of us to take it seriously.
Sturgeon: The one thing missing from that pointless PM speech was any acknowledgment of the massive responsibility she bears for this mess. She could have changed course after the first defeat of her deal. But she is still trying to force a choice between a bad deal and no deal. Shameful
Hold on, for the last two years haven't opponents of May been saying again and again that a bad deal is better than no deal?
May was ridiculed by people for saying no deal is better than a bad deal, but it seems she should have we'll hold our breath and reject both.
Obviously they did not mean it. Most who said no deal is better than a bad deal did not mean it either (though a sizable rump did). And most only implicitly suggested bad deal is better than no deal, rather than state it directly. Many definitely think no deal is better than not remaining, because they have happily refused any deal so that no deal is still possible.
I wonder I wonder..... she was gonna say something else but cabinet/backbenchers handcuffed her, do shes gone hardball her deal as the only game in town and screw parliament if it doesn't like it?
Well it’s her deal or no deal all other options are off. Which probably means no deal
You think the house will vote for no deal in such forced choice? Really? Seriously? No deal won’t even get 200votes May will get 400 in such a forced choice.
Charlie Mullins, the chief executive of Pimlico Plumbers, said: “While the supreme court deemed him to be a ‘worker’ and entitled to associated rights, the tables have been turned and common sense prevailed in the actual employment tribunal and Mr Smith has been told that he wasn’t entitled to a penny.”
He said the ruling “sends a message to those who have taken advantage of this case to peddle their poisonous bile about my company”.
Listening to the speech again why ask for an extension in the first place?
If there is a vote next week and it passes then she could ask for the technical extension then, surely. Or is the point of the request now only for a technical extension?
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
ee.
But the police didn’t do their job that time.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.
Don't feed the CR troll....
No trolling. I’ve got no time or interest in being a troll.
Forcing through her unpopular deal is a certain formula for unravalling very quickly when it comes to the actual legislation, let alone the FTA talks. She will be universally despised and without influence.
Instead of using a message of let’s unite together , the deal is a compromise and not laying into MPs , understanding that people have different views she instead tried to absolve herself of any responsibility.
Well it’s her deal or no deal all other options are off. Which probably means no deal
You think the house will vote for no deal in such forced choice? Really? Seriously? No deal won’t even get 200votes May will get 400 in such a forced choice.
everyone gone mad?
Game over. May wins.
MPs will never ever believe that is the only choice. Something will come up, they'll vote of no confidence, suspend standing orders and overrule, etc etc. Many of these ideas are tricky or downright implausible, but if we judge actions and not words, MPs are not guaranteed to be willing to take any action to definitely prevent no deal. Have the DUP come on board with the deal yet? Have 30+ Labour MPs?
They'll either succeed in forcing an extension, and on to no Brexit, or have no deal. And MPs have demonstrated that is a price they are willing to pay, for us to pay.
Well it’s her deal or no deal all other options are off. Which probably means no deal
You think the house will vote for no deal in such forced choice? Really? Seriously? No deal won’t even get 200votes May will get 400 in such a forced choice.
everyone gone mad?
Game over. May wins.
No deal doesn't have to get votes. Just count down the clock.
Forcing through her unpopular deal is a certain formula for unravalling very quickly when it comes to the actual legislation, let alone the FTA talks. She will be universally despised and without influence.
I don't think so. May will have delivered Brexit. That changes everything.
Instead of using a message of let’s unite together , the deal is a compromise and not laying into MPs , understanding that people have different views she instead tried to absolve herself of any responsibility.
Utterly vile woman who is not fit to be PM.
And a leader of the opposition who stormed off in a huff
Well it’s her deal or no deal all other options are off. Which probably means no deal
You think the house will vote for no deal in such forced choice? Really? Seriously? No deal won’t even get 200votes May will get 400 in such a forced choice.
everyone gone mad?
Game over. May wins.
MPs will never ever believe that is the only choice. Something will come up, they'll vote of no confidence, suspend standing orders and overrule, etc etc. Many of these ideas are tricky or downright implausible, but if we judge actions and not words, MPs are not guaranteed to be willing to take any action to definitely prevent no deal. Have the DUP come on board with the deal yet? Have 30+ Labour MPs?
They'll either succeed in forcing an extension, and on to no Brexit, or have no deal. And MPs have demonstrated that is a price they are willing to pay, for us to pay.
Which is why "as early as Monday" is smokescreen for gullible MPs. MV3 is Brexit Eve.
Does anyone actually think May will bring her proposal for a vote on Monday? If it is a do or die situation those who have held their bladders until now won't wet themselves Sunday night and suddenly decide they need to back the deal. She'll pull it, which will only embolden the no dealer holdouts further - she'll be losing their votes as they see the chances of stopping Brexit receding, without gaining any further votes.
As much as I'd wish for this to be over with end of next week, I see Parliament finally having had enough of May.
I did point out that the EU might not be so acquiescencent to an extension as everyone was assuming.... Did the remain/Labour wonders in the HoC listen ?!
Of course they did. Labour don’t have BIG problem with the WA just the political declaration. Pass the WA and carry on fighting or facilitate leaving EU with no deal. It’s a no brainier for 70% labour MPs.
What EU done today was force end to the whole sorry saga. ERG stuffed. Second ref. Stuffed. Remain. Stuffed. But really we should thank the EU, all May was going to do was extend the cliff and carry on kicking the can. Of course as she kicks everyone could carry on dreaming their little fantasy. But that’s all it is a fantasy.
It’s over now. EU will ensure WA is passed this week.
[not directed at you pulp, you totally switched on, for everyone else] WAKE UP
You think the house will vote for no deal in such forced choice? Really? Seriously? No deal won’t even get 200votes May will get 400 in such a forced choice.
Spurned remainers are as mad as anything the ERG can come up with.
I wonder about Labour amendments that might give a bundle of them cover to abstain.
Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?
I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
70,000 now....
So what?
Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you?
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.
I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.
Nope. That was in line with all the professional estimates, including neutral posters on here.
Go on give us a link to 270K that wasn't posted by you.
Link to the GLA report? Have you got that? Does it exist? Context? Or are just quoting other Brexiteers like yourself who just made up the numbers. All the other quotes of numbers - Are you just ignoring them or just believing stuff you want to believe?
They say 25000, but I assume they missed a zero off. So 250 000. Estimate of 1000 attending rival pro-credit march, which presumably also was missing a zero.
He wants to find reasons to shoot down any lower estimate of numbers.
He isn’t interested in facts.
I don't give a toss what the number are. I'm just winding you up. You really don't get it do you? Do my comments and other like 'Don't feed the troll CS' ring any bells with you at all? Do you not see you are being selective? Comments like 'He isn't interested in fact' just show how you are deluding yourself when you get into some arguments when there are so many estimates that disagree with yours. They may be wrong, but you shouldn't just believe the ones you want to believe and dismiss others.
Sturgeon: The one thing missing from that pointless PM speech was any acknowledgment of the massive responsibility she bears for this mess. She could have changed course after the first defeat of her deal. But she is still trying to force a choice between a bad deal and no deal. Shameful
Hold on, for the last two years haven't opponents of May been saying again and again that a bad deal is better than no deal?
May was ridiculed by people for saying no deal is better than a bad deal, but it seems she should have we'll hold our breath and reject both.
Obviously they did not mean it. Most who said no deal is better than a bad deal did not mean it either (though a sizable rump did). And most only implicitly suggested bad deal is better than no deal, rather than state it directly. Many definitely think no deal is better than not remaining, because they have happily refused any deal so that no deal is still possible.
Those soundbites, of course, were even more trite than the usual ones. It's trivial to think of deals that are better and worse than No Deal.
Worse: continued payments, CJEU competence, no EUCO presence, no MEPs, Euro membership. Better: £1B a month payments to UK, UK opt-out from FoM, end of ECJ primacy, HMQ declared Empress of Europe, free owls.
May not reaching Tweeters...or patrons of London Coffee Houses.
It's a fair point. May can fool some of the people most of the time. Her problem is , so what? It doesn't get her what she needs, which is a workable path out of the EU that satisfies the various interest groups.
Instead of using a message of let’s unite together , the deal is a compromise and not laying into MPs , understanding that people have different views she instead tried to absolve herself of any responsibility.
Utterly vile woman who is not fit to be PM.
You may think she’s poor, out of her depth and the like. That would be justified. Calling her vile just marks you out as a verminous excuse for a human being.
She's living on a prayer that she'll get the deal through, regarding an extension it doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. In her cabinet she thinks that we've got each other to stick to a line and that's a lot, so on to another meaningful vote we'll give it a shot.
Listening to the speech again why ask for an extension in the first place?
If there is a vote next week and it passes then she could ask for the technical extension then, surely. Or is the point of the request now only for a technical extension?
The sequencing was clever as the EU have laid the conditions down for an extension to 30th June and that condition is TM's deal passes. They have helped her greatly but there is an argument whether this whole thing has been choreographed between London and the EU.
Many doubt that TM has the machiavellian skill set to do it and we will have to wait for the publication of books in due course
The one thing it has created is a stampede of panic by remainers who see a real prospect of their dream failing
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
ee.
But the police didn’t do their job that time.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.
Don't feed the CR troll....
No trolling. I’ve got no time or interest in being a troll.
Instead of using a message of let’s unite together , the deal is a compromise and not laying into MPs , understanding that people have different views she instead tried to absolve herself of any responsibility.
Utterly vile woman who is not fit to be PM.
You may think she’s poor, out of her depth and the like. That would be justified. Calling her vile just marks you out as a verminous excuse for a human being.
Nah, she is truly vile, without empathy or humanity.
She's living on a prayer that she'll get the deal through, regarding an extension it doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. In her cabinet she thinks that we've got each other to stick to a line and that's a lot, so on to another meaningful vote we'll give it a shot.
Listening to the speech again why ask for an extension in the first place?
If there is a vote next week and it passes then she could ask for the technical extension then, surely. Or is the point of the request now only for a technical extension?
The sequencing was clever as the EU have laid the conditions down for an extension to 30th June and that condition is TM's deal passes. They have helped her greatly but there is an argument whether this whole thing has been choreographed between London and the EU.
Many doubt that TM has the machiavellian skill set to do it and we will have to wait for the publication of books in due course
The one thing it has created is a stampede of panic by remainers who see a real prospect of their dream failing
They seem angry, but not panicked. It's not like Dominic Grieve is going to given up on remain and back the deal.
Well it’s her deal or no deal all other options are off. Which probably means no deal
You think the house will vote for no deal in such forced choice? Really? Seriously? No deal won’t even get 200votes May will get 400 in such a forced choice.
everyone gone mad?
Game over. May wins.
MPs will never ever believe that is the only choice. Something will come up, they'll vote of no confidence, suspend standing orders and overrule, etc etc. Many of these ideas are tricky or downright implausible, but if we judge actions and not words, MPs are not guaranteed to be willing to take any action to definitely prevent no deal. Have the DUP come on board with the deal yet? Have 30+ Labour MPs?
They'll either succeed in forcing an extension, and on to no Brexit, or have no deal. And MPs have demonstrated that is a price they are willing to pay, for us to pay.
Which is why "as early as Monday" is smokescreen for gullible MPs. MV3 is Brexit Eve.
The bad blood means May resigns straight after.
She really is risking not making it that far... Was this strategy agreed in Cabinet? It is being reported she met with ERG before that statement. Who is driving?
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
.
You know 16 million voted Remain and that many are as passionate as you are for Leave. Wy are you so surprised that they want to publically express their views?
Your naivety is almost touching.
Your confirmation bias far less so.
CS when you get into one of these discussions you remind me of Plato. You are filtering out all the evidence and picking what suits you no matter how self deluding it looks, but believe others are doing the same and you are not. And you don't need to cos you have solid arguments, but getting into an argument over the numbers in a crowd is pointless and just leads others to bait you. All that matters was it was enormous. Whether that matters or not is debatable, but trying to argue with people it was smaller than it looks, makes you look silly. Does Trump and his crowd estimates come to mind at all?
Trump inflated his crowd estimates.
Just like People’s Vote March organisers.
You missed the whole point of that post didn't you?
Does anyone actually think May will bring her proposal for a vote on Monday? If it is a do or die situation those who have held their bladders until now won't wet themselves Sunday night and suddenly decide they need to back the deal. She'll pull it, which will only embolden the no dealer holdouts further - she'll be losing their votes as they see the chances of stopping Brexit receding, without gaining any further votes.
As much as I'd wish for this to be over with end of next week, I see Parliament finally having had enough of May.
She's a fucking sociopath. She's going to take us all down with her and it's genuinely starting to get a bit scary now.
A general rule for life is that things are rarely as good as you hope or as bad as you fear. Exclusions apply however. Past behaviour cannot be guaranteed as an indicator of future returns.
The BBC headline seems rather divorced from the opinion on here:
"Theresa May has appealed to the public over Brexit, telling them she understood they had had enough, and adding: "I am on your side."
Speaking from Downing Street, the prime minister criticised the actions of MPs, saying it was "high time" politicians made a decision on the next steps."
Instead of using a message of let’s unite together , the deal is a compromise and not laying into MPs , understanding that people have different views she instead tried to absolve herself of any responsibility.
Utterly vile woman who is not fit to be PM.
You may think she’s poor, out of her depth and the like. That would be justified. Calling her vile just marks you out as a verminous excuse for a human being.
Nah, she is truly vile, without empathy or humanity.
Whatever. It must be hard being Rick from The Young Ones every day. Without the self-awareness, obvs.
The BBC headline seems rather divorced from the opinion on here:
"Theresa May has appealed to the public over Brexit, telling them she understood they had had enough, and adding: "I am on your side."
Speaking from Downing Street, the prime minister criticised the actions of MPs, saying it was "high time" politicians made a decision on the next steps."
That's just reporting what happened, there's nothing there to contradict the opinion here that it was a pointless thing to say given it is MPs she needs.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
.
You know 16 million voted Remain and that many are as passionate as you are for Leave. Wy are you so surprised that they want to publically express their views?
Your naivety is almost touching.
Your confirmation bias far less so.
CS when you get into one of these discussions you remind me of Plato. You are filtering out all the evidence and picking what suits you no matter how self deluding it looks, but believe others are doing the same and you are not. And you don't need to cos you have solid arguments, but getting into an argument over the numbers in a crowd is pointless and just leads others to bait you. All that matters was it was enormous. Whether that matters or not is debatable, but trying to argue with people it was smaller than it looks, makes you look silly. Does Trump and his crowd estimates come to mind at all?
Trump inflated his crowd estimates.
Just like People’s Vote March organisers.
You missed the whole point of that post didn't you?
She's living on a prayer that she'll get the deal through, regarding an extension it doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. In her cabinet she thinks that we've got each other to stick to a line and that's a lot, so on to another meaningful vote we'll give it a shot.
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Time until the DUP-ERG alliance achieves total victory: 9 days, 2 hours and 10 minutes.
Did the remain/Labour wonders in the HoC listen ?!
As you are he
As you are me
And we are all together
May was having an awful day until the EU saved her.
May was awful today.
She said parliaments already faffed around with too much indicative voting, the people, for whom she’s the champion have had enough of parliaments delaying tactics and inability to decide on brexit.
You couldn’t make it up.
And she capitulated on extension to those in her government working towards no deal brexit. Leadsom had seized control and the government (probably angies experience with obstinate children that has allowed her to outdo May).
Explain how in the national interest rather than own narrow self interest pm opposes the house having non legislative non binding indicative votes session one afternoon?
It keeps getting dangled as carrot you can never eat. At what point does the donkey wake up?
Ahead of last weeks vote on setting up indicative voting, pm deputy and her chancellor promised indicative votes would occur in the first two weeks of April if MV not approved, I believed them. I was taking in by both that, and May talking up longer delay to properly sort the mess that will come once her deal with EU is either laid to rest (or passed following a leaver ref on her deal).
was it only because of the Lidington pledge that the government avoided defeat on amendment that would have allowed the Commons indicative votes? Going back to 1604 is there not some precedent where someone lies in commons to win or torpedo a vote can justly be hauled off to the tower?
But then something amazing happened. It was Tusk coming over the hill to save May. No extension till end of May, you vote for Mays deal any votes against it is vote for no deal brexit, guaranteeing Enough Labour perhaps even DUP votes to ensure May wins next week.
A master stroke, all remoaners, all ERG, all peoplevoters had their fox shot on the spot.
Tusk and EU pre ordained master plan, to protect red lines they own too remember, wether we can call it a deal or not, it belongs to them, they got us just where they want us.
Francois on C4 looking chipper at no deal brexit next week. Is he mad? Mays deal is 100% going to pass next week. an MP not voting for May’s deal MV3 will be voting for no deal brexit or abstaining to facilitate no deal brexit. Don’t tell me it’s going to be close, if you don’t support May and it results in no deal it will be printed on every leaflet through every letter box for ever more so every voter know you enabled the no deal brexit. Simples. 😂
The worst day for a British Prime Minister since fall of Chamberlain. And then the lady ended up winning the war thanks to her EU allies reinforcing her red lines. Who’d have thought it?
"The prime minister said .........."
"Meanwhile, the leader of the opposition was accused of ......"
He isn’t interested in facts.
May was ridiculed by people for saying no deal is better than a bad deal, but it seems she should have we'll hold our breath and reject both.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/prime-minister-faces-increasing-pressure-to-quit-?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Just like People’s Vote March organisers.
May not reaching Tweeters...or patrons of London Coffee Houses.
Not anymore.
The Prime Minister's latest move on Brexit goes beyond awkward fumbling—refusing to ask for a longer extension is downright reckless, and puts the whole country at risk.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/for-a-long-time-i-thought-theresa-may-was-trying-to-make-the-best-of-a-bad-job-not-anymore
Whilst I understand that don’t expect the rest of us to take it seriously.
everyone gone mad?
Game over. May wins.
https://tinyurl.com/y3e5g6bq
Charlie Mullins, the chief executive of Pimlico Plumbers, said: “While the supreme court deemed him to be a ‘worker’ and entitled to associated rights, the tables have been turned and common sense prevailed in the actual employment tribunal and Mr Smith has been told that he wasn’t entitled to a penny.”
He said the ruling “sends a message to those who have taken advantage of this case to peddle their poisonous bile about my company”.
Edit/ hence May won't take a vote on Monday. Brexit Eve, is when it'll be
If there is a vote next week and it passes then she could ask for the technical extension then, surely. Or is the point of the request now only for a technical extension?
I’m interested in facts.
Forcing through her unpopular deal is a certain formula for unravalling very quickly when it comes to the actual legislation, let alone the FTA talks. She will be universally despised and without influence.
The question much of the world is asking of Britain.
She’s echoing the frustrations of normal people back to the nation.
I expect it will badly bomb with MPs though, and probably lose her votes.
Instead of using a message of let’s unite together , the deal is a compromise and not laying into MPs , understanding that people have different views she instead tried to absolve herself of any responsibility.
Utterly vile woman who is not fit to be PM.
They'll either succeed in forcing an extension, and on to no Brexit, or have no deal. And MPs have demonstrated that is a price they are willing to pay, for us to pay.
Well served aren't we
The bad blood means May resigns straight after.
As much as I'd wish for this to be over with end of next week, I see Parliament finally having had enough of May.
Well we are a lot more than half way there
What EU done today was force end to the whole sorry saga. ERG stuffed. Second ref. Stuffed. Remain. Stuffed. But really we should thank the EU, all May was going to do was extend the cliff and carry on kicking the can. Of course as she kicks everyone could carry on dreaming their little fantasy. But that’s all it is a fantasy.
It’s over now. EU will ensure WA is passed this week.
[not directed at you pulp, you totally switched on, for everyone else] WAKE UP
I wonder about Labour amendments that might give a bundle of them cover to abstain.
Worse: continued payments, CJEU competence, no EUCO presence, no MEPs, Euro membership.
Better: £1B a month payments to UK, UK opt-out from FoM, end of ECJ primacy, HMQ declared Empress of Europe, free owls.
Many doubt that TM has the machiavellian skill set to do it and we will have to wait for the publication of books in due course
The one thing it has created is a stampede of panic by remainers who see a real prospect of their dream failing
I actually thought that nothing could be worse than Brown......
Failure of imagination on my part.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2019/march/house-of-commons-to-vote-on-article-50-extension/
Of course, she didn't exactly give her best effort .....
Was this strategy agreed in Cabinet? It is being reported she met with ERG before that statement.
Who is driving?
WTF - I know - a good day to bury bad news
https://order-order.com/2019/03/20/corbyn-flounced-meeting-may-chuka/
"Theresa May has appealed to the public over Brexit, telling them she understood they had had enough, and adding: "I am on your side."
Speaking from Downing Street, the prime minister criticised the actions of MPs, saying it was "high time" politicians made a decision on the next steps."