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edited March 2019 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The betting chances of Commons agreeing deal before March 30th move up sharply to 43%

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    First!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Second.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    Third like Boris
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,146
    Bloody difficult woman comes to mind
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1108435310457831425
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1108435310457831425

    Unserious politics from unserious parties.

    I’m not going to say what I think about Dominic Grieve.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    I think the deal will pass, but the manner of its passing is very, very shabby.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    I just wonder how close to the brink we'll get or if we will, in fact, fall off the cliff edge.

    Every MP not voting for the deal in the Tory party needs to be expelled and not allowed to stand for us in the election that is inevitably going to follow ratification of the WA, even if it means we lose.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    RoyalBlue said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1108435310457831425

    Unserious politics from unserious parties.

    I’m not going to say what I think about Dominic Grieve.
    The most unserious party in the country is surely only one, given our current situation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited March 2019
    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,491
    MaxPB said:

    I just wonder how close to the brink we'll get or if we will, in fact, fall off the cliff edge.

    Every MP not voting for the deal in the Tory party needs to be expelled and not allowed to stand for us in the election that is inevitably going to follow ratification of the WA, even if it means we lose.

    Will it follow? I don't see why Theresa wouldn't bask in the gratitude of the nation and just stay put.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    RoyalBlue said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1108435310457831425

    Unserious politics from unserious parties.

    I’m not going to say what I think about Dominic Grieve.
    Grieve's speech was excellent: honest, clear and well argued.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Government adopting Snell Nandy would substantially change the MV so should make it allowable by Bercow.
  • JenSJenS Posts: 91
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/francediplo_EN/status/1108409693720985600?s=20

    Full quote:

    “Dans l’examen de cette demande d’extension et des dates? nous veillerons particulièrement aux intérêts de l’Union”, a dit Jean-Yves Le Drian lors de la séance des questions au gouvernement à l’Assemblée nationale.

    “Ce qui nécessite trois choses : que la prolongation ait pour objectif de finaliser la ratification de l’accord de retrait négocié, que le Royaume-Uni soit très clair sur le fait que l’accord de retrait entériné en novembre dernier ne sera pas renégocié et que son intégrité sera préservée et que le Royaume-Uni ne participe pas aux prochaines élections européennes”, a-t-il ajouté.

    “Une situation dans laquelle Mme May ne serait pas en mesure de présenter au Conseil européen des garanties suffisantes sur la crédibilité de sa stratégie conduirait alors à écarter la demande d’extension et à préférer une sortie sans accord”
    Which I would translate:

    “When looking at this request for an extension, and dates, we will especially consider the interests of the EU, which require three things.

    “That the extension is to complete ratification of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, that the UK is very clear about the fact that it will not be renegotiated and its integrity will be preserved, and that the UK will not participate in the next EU elections."

    "A situation in which Mrs Mary is not in a position to give the European Council sufficient guarantees about the credibility of her strategy will lead to rejection of the request for an extension and to a preference for a no-deal exit"
    If France sticks to this, it rules out a long extension if the deal is not accepted by Parliament next week. Because then the extension is not to ratify the deal, and France is ruling out a different deal. So switching to Norway would not make France grant an extension, and there is no time for Norway without an extension. Also, a general election will not make France grant an extension, because a general election does not allow Mrs May to "guarantee" that ratification of the deal will follow, rather than an attempt to negotiate another deal.

    Ruling out UK participation in the Euro elections leads to the same result: no extension except to implement Mrs May's deal. No extension for a general election, because that would require us to participate in the Euro elections. No extension for a referendum, for the same reasons.

    This statement makes all the UK MPs positions pointless. It really is Mrs May's deal or a no-deal Brexit on 29 March.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    We need to revoke.

    Brexit was fun while it lasted. However, an incompetent PM has been unable to reach a deal that is better than Remaining.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    edited March 2019
    JenS said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/francediplo_EN/status/1108409693720985600?s=20

    Full quote:

    “Dans l’examen de cette demande d’extension et des dates? nous veillerons particulièrement aux intérêts de l’Union”, a dit Jean-Yves Le Drian lors de la séance des questions au gouvernement à l’Assemblée nationale.

    “Ce qui nécessite trois choses : que la prolongation ait pour objectif de finaliser la ratification de l’accord de retrait négocié, que le Royaume-Uni soit très clair sur le fait que l’accord de retrait entériné en novembre dernier ne sera pas renégocié et que son intégrité sera préservée et que le Royaume-Uni ne participe pas aux prochaines élections européennes”, a-t-il ajouté.

    “Une situation dans laquelle Mme May ne serait pas en mesure de présenter au Conseil européen des garanties suffisantes sur la crédibilité de sa stratégie conduirait alors à écarter la demande d’extension et à préférer une sortie sans accord”


    Which I would translate:

    “When looking at this request for an extension, and dates, we will especially consider the interests of the EU, which require three things.

    “That the extension is to complete ratification of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, that the UK is very clear about the fact that it will not be renegotiated and its integrity will be preserved, and that the UK will not participate in the next EU elections."

    "A situation in which Mrs Mary is not in a position to give the European Council sufficient guarantees about the credibility of her strategy will lead to rejection of the request for an extension and to a preference for a no-deal exit"


    If France sticks to this, it rules out a long extension if the deal is not accepted by Parliament next week. Because then the extension is not to ratify the deal, and France is ruling out a different deal. So switching to Norway would not make France grant an extension, and there is no time for Norway without an extension. Also, a general election will not make France grant an extension, because a general election does not allow Mrs May to "guarantee" that ratification of the deal will follow, rather than an attempt to negotiate another deal.

    Ruling out UK participation in the Euro elections leads to the same result: no extension except to implement Mrs May's deal. No extension for a general election, because that would require us to participate in the Euro elections. No extension for a referendum, for the same reasons.

    This statement makes all the UK MPs positions pointless. It really is Mrs May's deal or a no-deal Brexit on 29 March.
    or revoke - and try again when we've decided what we actually want to do....
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Just back from holiday this evening. Did anything happen whilst I was gone? :-)

    The betting on the Deal passing before the deadline seems wildly overdone to me. Besides anything else, if Macron or any of the other EU leaders puts their foot down over the A50 extension then there's no longer time to finish passing all the necessary legislation before the scheduled withdrawal date. Under those circumstances, is Parliament meant to pass the Deal that's it's previously overwhelmingly rejected twice AND put the country into almost immediate, if temporary, violation of its terms because half the rules needed to make it work haven't been written into statute? Or does the Deal, in fact, go out of the window and leave Parliament with a straight choice between Revocation and Hard Brexit?

    Can the useless nitwits bring themselves to vote for Revocation under such circumstances, even though the bulk of them think No Deal a catastrophe and most of those have probably been secretly yearning to cancel the whole project for the entirety of the past three years? Would anyone care to wager any money on that contention? I know I wouldn't.

    The betting markets might be swinging towards the Deal, but most people thought Remain was going to win on the day of the referendum itself - right up until the point that the results started to come in. Surely the ERG are, in fact, very, very close to winning?
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SandyRentool said:

    We need to revoke.

    Brexit was fun while it lasted. However, an incompetent PM has been unable to reach a deal that is better than Remaining.

    The only thing more incompetent would be to do as you suggest, split the Tory Party, and by default let the gang of Marxist, Jew-hating thugs who run your party into power.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,741
    JenS said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/francediplo_EN/status/1108409693720985600?s=20

    Full quote:

    “Dans
    Which I would translate:

    “When looking at this request for an extension, and dates, we will especially consider the interests of the EU, which require three things.

    “That the extension is to complete ratification of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, that the UK is very clear about the fact that it will not be renegotiated and its integrity will be preserved, and that the UK will not participate in the next EU elections."

    "A situation in which Mrs Mary is not in a position to give the European Council sufficient guarantees about the credibility of her strategy will lead to rejection of the request for an extension and to a preference for a no-deal exit"
    If France sticks to this, it rules out a long extension if the deal is not accepted by Parliament next week. Because then the extension is not to ratify the deal, and France is ruling out a different deal. So switching to Norway would not make France grant an extension, and there is no time for Norway without an extension. Also, a general election will not make France grant an extension, because a general election does not allow Mrs May to "guarantee" that ratification of the deal will follow, rather than an attempt to negotiate another deal.

    Ruling out UK participation in the Euro elections leads to the same result: no extension except to implement Mrs May's deal. No extension for a general election, because that would require us to participate in the Euro elections. No extension for a referendum, for the same reasons.

    This statement makes all the UK MPs positions pointless. It really is Mrs May's deal or a no-deal Brexit on 29 March.


    Norway or CU remain possibilities as these are about the final Trade Deal, which is not set in stone like the WA, and indeed are excellent ways to resolve the backstop and other issues.

    The WA may get through, but will set a poisonous atmosphere for the next 18 months of discussions, in all parties. Mrs May's coercion tactics will not keep MPs on board for long.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    SandyRentool said:

    We need to revoke.

    Brexit was fun while it lasted. However, an incompetent PM has been unable to reach a deal that is better than Remaining.

    Unfortunately Sandy you are stuck on the train rapidly ascending the Pepsi Max at Blackpool.

    No going back now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Reintroduction of Section 28 by the back door here now ffsake
  • JenSJenS Posts: 91
    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    eek said:

    JenS said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/francediplo_EN/status/1108409693720985600?s=20

    Full quote:

    “Dans l’examen de cette demande d’extension et des dates? nous veillerons particulièrement aux intérêts de l’Union”, a dit Jean-Yves Le Drian lors de la séance des questions au gouvernement à l’Assemblée nationale.

    “Ce qui nécessite trois choses : que la prolongation ait pour objectif de finaliser la ratification de l’accord de retrait négocié, que le Royaume-Uni soit très clair sur le fait que l’accord de retrait entériné en novembre dernier ne sera pas renégocié et que son intégrité sera préservée et que le Royaume-Uni ne participe pas aux prochaines élections européennes”, a-t-il ajouté.

    “Une situation dans laquelle Mme May ne serait pas en mesure de présenter au Conseil européen des garanties suffisantes sur la crédibilité de sa stratégie conduirait alors à écarter la demande d’extension et à préférer une sortie sans accord”

    Which I would translate:

    “When looking at this request for an extension, and dates, we will especially consider the interests of the EU, which require three things.

    “That the extension is to complete ratification of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, that the UK is very clear about the fact that it will not be renegotiated and its integrity will be preserved, and that the UK will not participate in the next EU elections."

    "A situation in which Mrs Mary is not in a position to give the European Council sufficient guarantees about the credibility of her strategy will lead to rejection of the request for an extension and to a preference for a no-deal exit"

    If France sticks to this, it rules out a long extension if the deal is not accepted by Parliament next week. Because then the extension is not to ratify the deal, and France is ruling out a different deal. So switching to Norway would not make France grant an extension, and there is no time for Norway without an extension. Also, a general election will not make France grant an extension, because a general election does not allow Mrs May to "guarantee" that ratification of the deal will follow, rather than an attempt to negotiate another deal.

    Ruling out UK participation in the Euro elections leads to the same result: no extension except to implement Mrs May's deal. No extension for a general election, because that would require us to participate in the Euro elections. No extension for a referendum, for the same reasons.

    This statement makes all the UK MPs positions pointless. It really is Mrs May's deal or a no-deal Brexit on 29 March.
    or revoke - and try again when we've decided what we actually want to do....
    Yes ... as proposed by Ken Clarke.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited March 2019
    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    RoyalBlue said:

    SandyRentool said:

    We need to revoke.

    Brexit was fun while it lasted. However, an incompetent PM has been unable to reach a deal that is better than Remaining.

    The only thing more incompetent would be to do as you suggest, split the Tory Party, and by default let the gang of Marxist, Jew-hating thugs who run your party into power.
    The Labour leadership will not be in power. They will need to keep the entire PLP plus the SNP on board. Expect nothing more than a soft left agenda to be enacted.

    I doubt whether we'll even renationalise the water industry.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Pulpstar said:

    Reintroduction of Section 28 by the back door here now ffsake

    I share your disgust, but to be frank, I don’t think this evening of all evenings is the time to debate it.
  • TheAncientMarinerTheAncientMariner Posts: 227
    Remainers on their hands and knees in desperation imploring for revoke. They know they've probably lost.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    Someone's prepping for a no-deal Brexit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-47639537
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    Guardian: Her political capital is all spent. She has no allies at home or abroad. Her only leverage in parliament comes from the fear that her appalling management of the country provokes – the prospect that she is incompetent enough to allow the worst to happen. She long ago lost sight of diplomacy and strategy. Then she shed authority. Now she has abandoned responsibility, completing the journey from bad prime minister to rogue prime minister.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    8pm, according to a rumour that originated during the parliamentary debate
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    JenS said:

    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.

    Revoke = status quo while we decide what to do
    May's Deal = rejected twice why would you go for it now
    No Deal = gamble into the great unknown.

    The reason to revoke is that the EU won't allow us to extend - that may be enough to justify it.

    We then have the EU election and people could use that as a basis for what to do next.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    IanB2 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    8pm, according to a rumour that originated during the parliamentary debate
    Sky just saying 8.15pm
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,491
    IanB2 said:

    Guardian: Her political capital is all spent. She has no allies at home or abroad. Her only leverage in parliament comes from the fear that her appalling management of the country provokes – the prospect that she is incompetent enough to allow the worst to happen. She long ago lost sight of diplomacy and strategy. Then she shed authority. Now she has abandoned responsibility, completing the journey from bad prime minister to rogue prime minister.

    Desperate from the Guardian. How dare someone implement Brexit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Guardian: Her political capital is all spent. She has no allies at home or abroad. Her only leverage in parliament comes from the fear that her appalling management of the country provokes – the prospect that she is incompetent enough to allow the worst to happen. She long ago lost sight of diplomacy and strategy. Then she shed authority. Now she has abandoned responsibility, completing the journey from bad prime minister to rogue prime minister.

    Desperate from the Guardian. How dare someone implement Brexit.
    Is her deal Brexit or not Brexit? Opinions vary.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Guardian: Her political capital is all spent. She has no allies at home or abroad. Her only leverage in parliament comes from the fear that her appalling management of the country provokes – the prospect that she is incompetent enough to allow the worst to happen. She long ago lost sight of diplomacy and strategy. Then she shed authority. Now she has abandoned responsibility, completing the journey from bad prime minister to rogue prime minister.

    Desperate from the Guardian. How dare someone implement Brexit.
    Whatever Brexit is, ofcourse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,166
    edited March 2019
    TheAncientMariner said:

    Remainers on their hands and knees in desperation imploring for revoke. They know they've probably lost.

    Yougov today Remain 60% Leave with Deal 40%, Remain 56% Leave with No Deal 44%.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-voters-back-delay-in-new-survey-but-warn-pm-not-to-use-it-to-save-her-broken-deal-a4096516.html

    Up to 2 million expected for People's Vote March at the weekend, not at all clear Remain have lost, indeed momentum is moving towards them
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,491
    williamglenn said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Guardian: Her political capital is all spent. She has no allies at home or abroad. Her only leverage in parliament comes from the fear that her appalling management of the country provokes – the prospect that she is incompetent enough to allow the worst to happen. She long ago lost sight of diplomacy and strategy. Then she shed authority. Now she has abandoned responsibility, completing the journey from bad prime minister to rogue prime minister.

    Desperate from the Guardian. How dare someone implement Brexit.
    Is her deal Brexit or not Brexit? Opinions vary.
    It's plenty.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    JenS said:

    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.

    Yes, that is the position the EU want us to be in because they consider that the so-called "deal" will allow them to absolutely crucify the UK in the negotiations to come, while even though they fear it they see very little prospect of the UK choosing to leave on 29th March with our hands untied.

    Whether that is in reality the only choice for the UK depends on whether you take Tusk at his word. It purports to be their final position. If MPs instead voted for a long extension while rejecting May's surrender, would they really force the UK into the situation which they fear - namely to force us to leave on 30th March in a situation where our hands were untied and we could negotiate a new relationship commencing on 30th March?

    The EU is I think trying to force the UK into false choices, aided and abetted by the PM. Will their bluff be called by parliament?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    edited March 2019
    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,166
    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    You would probably get more informed washing your hair, it will almost certainly be a 'My Deal or No Deal, nothing has changed' waste of time
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,491
    edited March 2019
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    JenS said:

    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.

    Yes, that is the position the EU want us to be in because they consider that the so-called "deal" will allow them to absolutely crucify the UK in the negotiations to come, while even though they fear it they see very little prospect of the UK choosing to leave on 29th March with our hands untied.

    Whether that is in reality the only choice for the UK depends on whether you take Tusk at his word. It purports to be their final position. If MPs instead voted for a long extension while rejecting May's surrender, would they really force the UK into the situation which they fear - namely to force us to leave on 30th March in a situation where our hands were untied and we could negotiate a new relationship commencing on 30th March?

    The EU is I think trying to force the UK into false choices, aided and abetted by the PM. Will their bluff be called by parliament?
    Please. This is desperate stuff. If they won't grant a short extension, we'll leave on the required date. I'd love there to be a short no deal-y period just for the absence of plagues of locusts.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Let us know when it hits 17.4 million.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    My hat goes off to whoever built petitions.parliament.uk. That’s some serious load and it’s not breaking sweat.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2019
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    JenS said:

    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.

    Yes, that is the position the EU want us to be in because they consider that the so-called "deal" will allow them to absolutely crucify the UK in the negotiations to come, while even though they fear it they see very little prospect of the UK choosing to leave on 29th March with our hands untied.

    Whether that is in reality the only choice for the UK depends on whether you take Tusk at his word. It purports to be their final position. If MPs instead voted for a long extension while rejecting May's surrender, would they really force the UK into the situation which they fear - namely to force us to leave on 30th March in a situation where our hands were untied and we could negotiate a new relationship commencing on 30th March?

    The EU is I think trying to force the UK into false choices, aided and abetted by the PM. Will their bluff be called by parliament?
    It does all feel an awful lot like a stitch-up between the EU and May to narrow down Britain's range of choice.

    ..and as others have mentioned, it's also revealing how much the EU seems to want to quickly get the WA inked and signed, as apparently by far the most smoothly and painlessly aligned with its own best interests.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,006
    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    A wee rallying of the troops outside Downing St first?

    https://youtu.be/hz3RYVsS70Y
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,904
    Yay! Free Bar! #drinktoforgetbrexit
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Does Parliament know something we don't?

    From that page
    Register to vote
    To vote in local, national and EU elections, you must be registered to vote.

    It takes less than 5 minutes.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    SandyRentool said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SandyRentool said:

    We need to revoke.

    Brexit was fun while it lasted. However, an incompetent PM has been unable to reach a deal that is better than Remaining.

    The only thing more incompetent would be to do as you suggest, split the Tory Party, and by default let the gang of Marxist, Jew-hating thugs who run your party into power.
    The Labour leadership will not be in power. They will need to keep the entire PLP plus the SNP on board. Expect nothing more than a soft left agenda to be enacted.

    I doubt whether we'll even renationalise the water industry.
    Pretty easy to turn it all into non-profit co.s though, e.g. done to Welsh Water. Cost £0.00.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
    70,000 now....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    More likely than the deal passing, yes.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,491
    edited March 2019
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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    You would probably get more informed washing your hair, it will almost certainly be a 'My Deal or No Deal, nothing has changed' waste of time
    Have you had it with her? :D
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    To be honest, the biggest and most significant development that’s pissed me off this year is the cancellation of the public Farnborough Airshow going forwards.

    It’s an institution.

    Such things matter to me way more than Brexit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    eek said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
    70,000 now....
    So what?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    Not just that but two times the remain/second ref option has come to the house, the first was withdrawn because it wouldn't pass and the second got defeated quite badly. Even now there is no majority for revoke or a second referendum.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    JenS said:

    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.

    Yes, that is the position the EU want us to be in because they consider that the so-called "deal" will allow them to absolutely crucify the UK in the negotiations to come, while even though they fear it they see very little prospect of the UK choosing to leave on 29th March with our hands untied.

    Whether that is in reality the only choice for the UK depends on whether you take Tusk at his word. It purports to be their final position. If MPs instead voted for a long extension while rejecting May's surrender, would they really force the UK into the situation which they fear - namely to force us to leave on 30th March in a situation where our hands were untied and we could negotiate a new relationship commencing on 30th March?

    The EU is I think trying to force the UK into false choices, aided and abetted by the PM. Will their bluff be called by parliament?
    Approximately so. The EU has a lot of leverage that it intends to use .Welcome to the Vassal State.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Casino_Royale said:

    To be honest, the biggest and most significant development that’s pissed me off this year is the cancellation of the public Farnborough Airshow going forwards.

    It’s an institution.

    Such things matter to me way more than Brexit.

    Go to RIAT. It’s much, much better.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,902
    RoyalBlue said:


    The only thing more incompetent would be to do as you suggest, split the Tory Party, and by default let the gang of Marxist, Jew-hating thugs who run your party into power.

    You'll have nothing to worry about. if Leadsom is right all the Conservatives are apparently heading for a gulag - that's right up there with Churchill's "Gestapo" comment in 1945 which was astonishing against a true patriot like Clement Attlee.

    All you have left is the fear.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,904
    SNP / Greens / LibDems have the right idea. A continuous session of Parliament until they reach a decision
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,815
    Casino_Royale said:

    eek said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
    70,000 now....
    So what?
    Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you? :)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    I think he’s right.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    You would probably get more informed washing your hair, it will almost certainly be a 'My Deal or No Deal, nothing has changed' waste of time
    Have you had it with her? :D
    If *he* has, she’s finished.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    JenS said:

    Mrs May will not revoke. Most of Labour, including the leadership, will not revoke in the next 2 weeks with no general election or referendum cover. The ERG will not revoke. I don't think there is a majority to revoke in this timescale.
    It's deal or no deal.

    Yes, that is the position the EU want us to be in because they consider that the so-called "deal" will allow them to absolutely crucify the UK in the negotiations to come, while even though they fear it they see very little prospect of the UK choosing to leave on 29th March with our hands untied.

    Whether that is in reality the only choice for the UK depends on whether you take Tusk at his word. It purports to be their final position. If MPs instead voted for a long extension while rejecting May's surrender, would they really force the UK into the situation which they fear - namely to force us to leave on 30th March in a situation where our hands were untied and we could negotiate a new relationship commencing on 30th March?

    The EU is I think trying to force the UK into false choices, aided and abetted by the PM. Will their bluff be called by parliament?
    It does all feel an awful lot like a stitch-up between the EU and May to narrow down Britain's range of choice.

    ..and as others have mentioned, it's also revealing how much the EU seems to want to quickly get the WA inked and signed ...
    The question is how many WA inkers there are in the House of Commons.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Is it true there was a 1922 meeting earlier?
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    I think he’s right.
    Non-starter. Corbyn would quite reasonably insist on leading at alternative administration, which would be unacceptable to any Tory.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,580
    williamglenn said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Guardian: Her political capital is all spent. She has no allies at home or abroad. Her only leverage in parliament comes from the fear that her appalling management of the country provokes – the prospect that she is incompetent enough to allow the worst to happen. She long ago lost sight of diplomacy and strategy. Then she shed authority. Now she has abandoned responsibility, completing the journey from bad prime minister to rogue prime minister.

    Desperate from the Guardian. How dare someone implement Brexit.
    Is her deal Brexit or not Brexit? Opinions vary.
    Her deal is clearly Brexit. It is only the purists - who think that anything that has us still on speaking terms with the rest of Europe is a betrayal of the highest order - who deny this is Brexit.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    RochdalePioneers said:

    SNP / Greens / LibDems have the right idea. A continuous session of Parliament until they reach a decision

    Shame about the whole no extension bit then.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    kjh said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    eek said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
    70,000 now....
    So what?
    Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you? :)
    I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.

    I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.

    Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited March 2019
    Casino_Royale said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    You would probably get more informed washing your hair, it will almost certainly be a 'My Deal or No Deal, nothing has changed' waste of time
    Have you had it with her? :D
    If *he* has, she’s finished.
    I thought @HYUFD sounded a bit hostile about her? :open_mouth:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    To be honest, the biggest and most significant development that’s pissed me off this year is the cancellation of the public Farnborough Airshow going forwards.

    It’s an institution.

    Such things matter to me way more than Brexit.

    Go to RIAT. It’s much, much better.

    Maybe but Farnborough is 20 minutes from me and has decades of aviation history behind it. An institution.

    I’m still annoyed (over 20 years on) that they cancelled the Royal Tournament.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    Are there enough to put such a government in place?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    RoyalBlue said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Let us know when it hits 17.4 million.
    Even that isn't enough apparently
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    I think he’s right.
    Non-starter. Corbyn would quite reasonably insist on leading at alternative administration, which would be unacceptable to any Tory.
    I was referring to kle4.

    Not enough ERG and DUP’ers have (or ever will) smell the coffee. And many of them think the coffee isn’t even there to be smelt.

    So the Deal won’t pass, and we will end up revoking and remaining.

    They will then start blaming people (including me) for the failure of Brexit.

    I will do my best to deselect them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,166
    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1108403574764126208?s=20
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,815
    Casino_Royale said:

    kjh said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    eek said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
    70,000 now....
    So what?
    Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you? :)
    I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.

    I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.

    Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
    Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,815
    edited March 2019
    TMay just, just might have done enough to squeak this.

    I would say if she gets the deal through it would be the work of a political mastermind, but I suspect it comes down to luck.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Casino_Royale said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    I think he’s right.
    Non-starter. Corbyn would quite reasonably insist on leading at alternative administration, which would be unacceptable to any Tory.
    I was referring to kle4.

    Not enough ERG and DUP’ers have (or ever will) smell the coffee. And many of them think the coffee isn’t even there to be smelt.

    So the Deal won’t pass, and we will end up revoking and remaining.

    They will then start blaming people (including me) for the failure of Brexit.

    I will do my best to deselect them.
    The PM will not revoke. I am certain of that.

    Besides, it’s not even clear she could, legally speaking.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    edited March 2019
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    Ah, Robert! Just the man.

    I recall many moons ago, before the referendum, you were asked what the economic effect of Brexit might be. You were one of the view brave enough at the time to hazard a guess and I remember your answer very clearly. You said that for a while, the UK would be like 'Singapore on Speed'. After that, things might get difficult but there would at first be a period of intense, productive economic activity.

    Do you stand by that? And if so, when does the SoS period begin?

    Or have we had it already?

    Would really appreciate your updated comments now.

    Thanks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,166
    edited March 2019
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    You would probably get more informed washing your hair, it will almost certainly be a 'My Deal or No Deal, nothing has changed' waste of time
    Have you had it with her? :D
    I have had it with the ERG and May needs to shift and make it her Deal or revoke and No Brexit not her Deal or No Deal if it is to have a chance of getting through, though if Labour shift on the WA but seek to change the PD it could still have an alternative avenue I suppose
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    kjh said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    kjh said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    eek said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IanB2 said:

    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    The counter is spinning happily.

    Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.

    Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?

    I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
    70,000 now....
    So what?
    Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you? :)
    I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.

    I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.

    Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
    Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.
    Nope. That was in line with all the professional estimates, including neutral posters on here.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    Cable says Corbyn walked out of the talks with the PM because the Tiggers were there?
  • llefllef Posts: 301
    I see that betfair odds on 2019 election have narrowed from 2.8 earlier today, to 2.1 now.

    If the deal does pass, and pass without DUP support, presumably the Gov would lose a VONC?


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    I think he’s right.
    Non-starter. Corbyn would quite reasonably insist on leading at alternative administration, which would be unacceptable to any Tory.
    I was referring to kle4.

    Not enough ERG and DUP’ers have (or ever will) smell the coffee. And many of them think the coffee isn’t even there to be smelt.

    So the Deal won’t pass, and we will end up revoking and remaining.

    They will then start blaming people (including me) for the failure of Brexit.

    I will do my best to deselect them.
    The PM will not revoke. I am certain of that.

    Besides, it’s not even clear she could, legally speaking.
    The PM has an above average propensity for humiliating herself and performing U-turns, so you can’t rule it out.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,497
    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    It will never pass. No dealers have no reason to, and remainers are holding true to the faith, content they will not receive most of the blame if we no deal as a result.

    The statement that the deal and no deal are disaster and catastrophe respectively means that anyone else must give up on Brexit at all - Labour members want that, as do most of their MPs, but that seems beyond them taking up as an official position.

    OK.

    So what happens next?

    Will Justing Greening desert the Conservative Party for the TIGgers, and will Remainers looks to put a caretaker "government of national (remainer) unity" in place?
    I think he’s right.
    Non-starter. Corbyn would quite reasonably insist on leading at alternative administration, which would be unacceptable to any Tory.
    I was referring to kle4.

    Not enough ERG and DUP’ers have (or ever will) smell the coffee. And many of them think the coffee isn’t even there to be smelt.

    So the Deal won’t pass, and we will end up revoking and remaining.

    They will then start blaming people (including me) for the failure of Brexit.

    I will do my best to deselect them.
    The PM will not revoke. I am certain of that.

    Besides, it’s not even clear she could, legally speaking.
    She won’t. I mentioned that as the inevitable endgame.

    All sorts of parliamentary and electoral routes to get there.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1108448547500945408
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Did I hear right that Theresa's going to address the nation from inside Downing St tonight?

    You would probably get more informed washing your hair, it will almost certainly be a 'My Deal or No Deal, nothing has changed' waste of time
    Have you had it with her? :D
    I have had it with the ERG and May needs to shift and make it her Deal or revoke and No Brexit not her Deal or No Deal if it is to have a chance of getting through, though if Labour shift on the WA but seek to change the PD it could still have an alternative avenue I suppose
    Oh!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1108448464462114818
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    solarflare said:

    Cable says Corbyn walked out of the talks with the PM because the Tiggers were there?

    LOL - what emergency?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    edited March 2019
    https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1108447950659899393?s=21
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    llef said:

    I see that betfair odds on 2019 election have narrowed from 2.8 earlier today, to 2.1 now.

    If the deal does pass, and pass without DUP support, presumably the Gov would lose a VONC?


    Predicting the outcome of a VONC is hard.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    LOL!

    "PMQs was terrible. Well, obviously it was terrible, it’s always terrible, but today it was terrible in a new and terrible way. It was terrible not just politically but emotionally. The mood was beyond angry. It was desperate. Frantic, stricken, bug-eyed, pleading. The Commons, it seemed, was on the brink of a breakdown."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/20/no-deal-brexit-beckons-commons-brink-breakdown/

    Time for HMQ to close the place down until 1st April and let the poor dears have a rest? :D
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1108448464462114818

    I'm not talking unless you get some terrorists in here
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,146
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1108447950659899393?s=21

    He is not fit for office
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1108448464462114818

    Yup, just the kind of statesmanship you need at a time of crisis. ;-)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Blimey, just got in.

    We are truly in the sh*t now.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1108447950659899393?s=21

    Stick to your guns Jezza! :D
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    "Not a proper party leader."

    The jokes kinda write themselves at this stage.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1108447950659899393?s=21

    Well, someone's not a proper party leader.
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