Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Chukka is the chosen spokesperson of the Tiggers, who have significant numbers in a key vote.
So we now know that Corbyn is willing to call murderers and terrorists his friends, but refuses to be in a meeting with someone who served Labour faithfully for years ...
Maybe he got word his jam was boiling over? Or that he has done his 8hr shift for the day already?
Or maybe he had a conference call with Hamas he couldn't bunk?
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
There are no “rules” for this. Corbyn is just being a baby, as usual. He is one of the fathers of Brexit. Necessary, though not sufficient.
We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
So we now know that Corbyn is willing to call murderers and terrorists his friends, but refuses to be in a meeting with someone who served Labour faithfully for years ...
Maybe he got word his jam was boiling over? Or that he has done his 8hr shift for the day already?
Or maybe he had a conference call with Hamas he couldn't bunk?
Well they are having a spot of bother at the moment...their own people are protesting against them.
In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
Mrs May wants her Deal or No Deal. Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal. The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal. The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal. Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly. No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed. No deal is where were are heading fast.
In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
The person who promotes Raw Gorilla lemon and chia munchies. Do I need to stock pile?
Edit/ and the map of the signatures is interesting.
Why are we getting excited about 60,000 signatures on that?
I could see that easily it topping a million soon from those who hitherto supported a 2nd referendum.
70,000 now....
So what?
Unless the number gets huge I don't think it matters one iota, but it is fun watching you get exasperated by it. It is the People's Vote march all over again. I assume you are not going to challenge the numbers though on this are you?
I’m not exasperated I just think it’s irrelevant.
I certainly will challenge the numbers on the March if I think they’re called out incorrectly, which they almost certainly will be.
Remember: it was 270k marchers last time, not 700k.
Taking the bait eh. Only you thought it was 270K.
Nope. That was in line with all the professional estimates, including neutral posters on here.
Go on give us a link to 270K that wasn't posted by you.
Link to the GLA report? Have you got that? Does it exist? Context? Or are just quoting other Brexiteers like yourself who just made up the numbers. All the other quotes of numbers - Are you just ignoring them or just believing stuff you want to believe?
They say 25000, but I assume they missed a zero off. So 250 000. Estimate of 1000 attending rival pro-credit march, which presumably also was missing a zero.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Do you think those who marched against the Iraq War and those who marched in favour of the Countryside (including a considerable number of Conservatives) were advertising their self regard and immaturity?
No, because those took place before any decision had been made in Parliament. The nation has voted to leave, in a referendum promised in the winning party’s manifesto, prior to which it was made clear that the decision would be implemented either way. Protesting the implementation of that decision is protesting democracy.
That’s probably the silliest thing I have ever read on here. There are plenty of protests against settled policy contained in manifestos or referendums. Given that most people in Northern Ireland vote to stay in the union are republican demonstrations inherently undemocratic? Independence protests in Scotland or Quebec? Or anti-EEC demonstrations after the 1975 referendum? Or protests against the Poll Tax? I could go on. Protests are partly there to highlight causes and change views. They are asking for another vote on Saturday. It’s pushing the bounds of credulity to cal that “protrsting democracy”.
In a country with a free press and competitive elections, most protest is seldom justified. In authoritarian regimes, it’s an act of bravery.
They can be a very easy way to lose support, as well as gain it. I remember the huge amount of junk left on my morning walk to work after the anti-austerity protests and the last Remoaner fest. It didn’t endear me to either.
In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Thats not why he walked out though is it
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.
We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Chukka is the chosen spokesperson of the Tiggers, who have significant numbers in a key vote.
Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
No, it was genuinely unexpectedly much larger than the June event. Certainly the very light police presence and lack of preparation by London Transport showed that those organisations did not expect so many. Fortunately the supreme good humour of the crowd prevented problems.
You know 16 million voted Remain and that many are as passionate as you are for Leave. Wy are you so surprised that they want to publically express their views?
Your naivety is almost touching.
Your confirmation bias far less so.
CS when you get into one of these discussions you remind me of Plato. You are filtering out all the evidence and picking what suits you no matter how self deluding it looks, but believe others are doing the same and you are not. And you don't need to cos you have solid arguments, but getting into an argument over the numbers in a crowd is pointless and just leads others to bait you. All that matters was it was enormous. Whether that matters or not is debatable, but trying to argue with people it was smaller than it looks, makes you look silly. Does Trump and his crowd estimates come to mind at all?
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Thats not why he walked out though is it
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.
He is childish, petty, and not fit to lead a once great party
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Hm.. party or not, leader or not, Chuka is spokesman for a group of 11* MPs which TM might want to influence. I can see why she'd ask him. I can also see why Corbyn would jump at a reason not to be seen talking to Tories, his MO throughout this.
(* and probably counting, depending how much TM's pissed off her moderate wing today)
We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.
A VONC in the government removes the PM and then it's up to the house to find a new one or go to GE. What sort if governing party is going to fail to remove its leader on its own rules but do so in parliament??
So we now know that Corbyn is willing to call murderers and terrorists his friends, but refuses to be in a meeting with someone who served Labour faithfully for years ...
That's only a very narrow point.
We know he is petulant. We know he cares a lot more about the appearance of things than the substance of them - the sort of charge one might have made of Blairites, rather deliciously. We know that he prefers creating division rather than bringing people together. We know he does not tolerate dissent or disagreement.
It's a litany of damming personal and political weaknesses that would make him a disastrous Prime Minister.
Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
Disagree.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants.
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Thats not why he walked out though is it
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.
He is childish, petty, and not fit to lead a once great party
There are precedents for him to follow in that regard - such as Cameron's refusal to participate in all the 2015 election debates and Mays failure to take part at all in 2017.
Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
Disagree.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants. She has continued to do so at every single opportunity.
Not entirely. I don't see that Chuka Umunna had any more entitlement to be at such a meeting than others such as Frank Field, Jared Omara - or indeed Fiona Onasanya.
Throwing his toys out of pram is such a good look at a time of national crisis eh?
Why should they be treated preferentially compared with other Independent MPs? They have no status as a political party.
I repeat the question
Had all the non alligned MPs been invited, he might have taken a different view. There are reports that the agreed terms of the meeting were not adhered to.
So all you have is excuses
I am not a Corbyn fan anyway - but can see his point of view on this. If Caroline Lucas was there as the sole Green MP , every Independent ought to have been included.
Thats not why he walked out though is it
I suspect he would have taken a different view had the TIG MPs followed the example of Douglas Carswell & Mark Reckless and sought the support of their electors in by elections. Doubtless he sees them as lacking legitimacy.
He is childish, petty, and not fit to lead a once great party
There are precedents for him to follow in that regard - such as Cameron's refusal to participate in all the 2015 election debates and Mays failure to take part at all in 2017.
Mrs May wants her Deal or No Deal. Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal. The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal. The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal. Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly. No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed. No deal is where were are heading fast.
Totally wrong. We're heading there agonizingly slowly even with barely a week to go.
In other news have just won a Gold and Silver award for our products here at the Free From Food Awards. No longer care about Brexit. Getting slammed. On the free bar #drinktoforgetbrexit
The person who promotes Raw Gorilla lemon and chia munchies. Do I need to stock pile?
We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.
A VONC in the government removes the PM and then it's up to the house to find a new one or go to GE. What sort if governing party is going to fail to remove its leader on its own rules but do so in parliament??
One where it takes a majority of Conservative MPs to remove her using the Conservative rules, but only a dozen or so to remove her in Parliament?
I wonder if any member of the paid commentariat will be able to come up with an even half way unique or fresh observation to make on May's upcoming statement. A prize to those who resist putting in cliche'd comments from MPs feverishly texting them.
Seems May has told the leaders and the Tig2 that she will leave with no deal. The Tig2 believe her.
I think she would as well. I think she does take her pledge to leave incredibly seriously. Now that might be massively misguided, particularly as I think she believes no deal is a bad outcome. But delivering Brexit overrides everything else in TMWorld. I’ve said it before - it’s a legacy thing.
The legacy of breaking her party, probably the economy, and possibly the union. So it's a bluff.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Do you think those who marched against the Iraq War and those who marched in favour of the Countryside (including a considerable number of Conservatives) were advertising their self regard and immaturity?
No, because those took place before any decision had been made in Parliament. The nation has voted to leave, in a referendum promised in the winning party’s manifesto, prior to which it was made clear that the decision would be implemented either way. Protesting the implementation of that decision is protesting democracy.
That’s probably the silliest thing I have ever read on here. There are plenty of protests against settled policy contained in manifestos or referendums. Given that most people in Northern Ireland vote to stay in the union are republican demonstrations inherently undemocratic? Independence protests in Scotland or Quebec? Or anti-EEC demonstrations after the 1975 referendum? Or protests against the Poll Tax? I could go on. Protests are partly there to highlight causes and change views. They are asking for another vote on Saturday. It’s pushing the bounds of credulity to cal that “protrsting democracy”.
In a country with a free press and competitive elections, most protest is seldom justified. In authoritarian regimes, it’s an act of bravery.
They can be a very easy way to lose support, as well as gain it. I remember the huge amount of junk left on my morning walk to work after the anti-austerity protests and the last Remoaner fest. It didn’t endear me to either.
Protests are people exercising their right to free speech and assembly at the same time and calling attention to causes. Doubtless in your world Jim Crow and segregation could have been overturned with a polite letter writing campaign by Dr King, and the suffragttes were better off asking nicely for the vote. Suggesting you can exercise only one fundamental right at a time is illiberal and we live in a liberal democracy.
The road from Twickenham Station to the stadium is covered in crap after any game there but you’re not advocating banning rugby.
Oh, and do try to find another ad hominem than the dreadfully tired and hackneyed “remoaner” - it’s SO 2016 my dear.
Well at least we know how serious Corbyn is about compromise. I know Chuka isn't everyone's cup of tea but he does lead a group of MPs larger in number than Plaid, DUP and Lib Dems
We need the equivalent of the US 25th amendment - removal of PM due to inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the Office - with the office devolving on the deputy PM. Needs a two-thirds majority of the House.
Um I think a vote of no confidence covers that?
We need a VNOC in the PM herself with all MPs taking part - not just Tories.
A VONC in the government removes the PM and then it's up to the house to find a new one or go to GE. What sort if governing party is going to fail to remove its leader on its own rules but do so in parliament??
One where it takes a majority of Conservative MPs to remove her using the Conservative rules, but only a dozen or so to remove her in Parliament?
One is a secret ballot. Would be interesting if the other one was too. How many switchers...both ways?
We have already had a load of indicative votes....
No, we have had yes/no amendments, with government and labour whipping. Indicative votes would be free votes and MPs could vote for all of the propositions they would be prepared to support.
Sky just said that TM has told conservative meps at no 10 tonight she will not be PM if we have sitting meps post the EU elections
Odd threat. Have generally defended her as better than the alternatives but have had enough now.
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
May's entire problem is you cannot make a strategy, yet alone tactics, when everyone is acting so childishly on your (the UK's) side, and you have to negotiate with external parties.
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
Disagree.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants. She has continued to do so at every single opportunity.
So good you said it twice.
I see it differently: the ERGers position was obvious, and she was bowing to the inevitable. And at least by doing that she made progress: ignoring it would have made any progress impossible.
It's easy to forget that May's deal has the support from many who you would not necessarily expect to support it, for instance Richard Tyndall and CR on here. Many previous remainers also support it. It's just that for others, on both sides, compromise is impossible. And that would have been as true two years ago as it is now.
Mrs May wants her Deal or No Deal. Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal. The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal. The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal. Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly. No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed. No deal is where were are heading fast.
Totally wrong. We're heading there agonizingly slowly even with barely a week to go.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
It seems pointless to even estimate crowd numbers. Protestors always say it is one number, police estimates are then much much lower, stories are run on it being difficulty to estimate, and if someone is committed to the most or least impressive number it never persuades anyone else anyway. It was clearly a lot, beyond that no one will agree.
But the police didn’t do their job that time.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.
It was the second biggest political demonstration in British history, and the forecast looks good for Saturday to be a similar size.
If people want to advertise their self-regard and immaturity, that’s fine. It’s tiresome that they block up the centre of the capital while doing so.
Freedom of peaceful and protest are fundamental parts of a working democracy.
I am quite looking forward to Saturday, have my flags and signs ready, and have invested in a new megaphone. Mrs Foxy wants to march with the Tiggers, so we shall.
The 100k was expectations management so the organisers could report an “unexpected” “surge” in numbers on the day.
These people are advised by the likes of Alastair Campbell, know what they are doing when it comes to spin and are very, very good at it.
It seems pointless to even estimate crowd numbers. Protestors always say it is one number, police estimates are then much much lower, stories are run on it being difficulty to estimate, and if someone is committed to the most or least impressive number it never persuades anyone else anyway. It was clearly a lot, beyond that no one will agree.
But the police didn’t do their job that time.
So it’s up to us to challenge the propaganda.
Yawn. Trafalgar Square is well known to hold about 45,000 people. The October March filled well over a dozen Trafalgar Squares. I don't find the 700,000 figure remotely difficult to believe.
Well at least we know how serious Corbyn is about compromise. I know Chuka isn't everyone's cup of tea but he does lead a group of MPs larger in number than Plaid, DUP and Lib Dems
Well at least we know how serious Corbyn is about compromise. I know Chuka isn't everyone's cup of tea but he does lead a group of MPs larger in number than Plaid, DUP and Lib Dems
I can't be bothered to count so is the Green party included or doesn't it actually count?
Blackford on Sky. We need a second referendum. Can someone explain the SNP strategy to me, because if they get another ref and win, then all that will happen is the other political parties will say "Another referendum, just like you wanted in the EU ref." I would have thought the SNP would be defending referendums with small majorities to the hilt.
Comments
Perhaps should have sent Luciana Berger.
Corbyn is just being a baby, as usual. He is one of the fathers of Brexit. Necessary, though not sufficient.
Bring in Gove or someone who has a strategic and tactical bone in their body.
Mr Corbyn wants his Deal or no Deal.
The Conservative Party wants a Better Deal or No Deal.
The Labour party want to pin No deal on the Conservative party and then strike their Deal.
Everyone else has their own preferred alternative to No deal and split a accordingly.
No deal is the default option if nothing else can be agreed.
No deal is where were are heading fast.
Do I need to stock pile?
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/what_is_the_estimate_of_attendee
They say 25000, but I assume they missed a zero off. So 250 000.
Estimate of 1000 attending rival pro-credit march, which presumably also was missing a zero.
Proto-fascism or just utter tosh?
IMV no-one could have squared the Brexit circle. And that's because of the central lie at the heart of the leave campaigns.
(* and probably counting, depending how much TM's pissed off her moderate wing today)
We know he is petulant. We know he cares a lot more about the appearance of things than the substance of them - the sort of charge one might have made of Blairites, rather deliciously. We know that he prefers creating division rather than bringing people together. We know he does not tolerate dissent or disagreement.
It's a litany of damming personal and political weaknesses that would make him a disastrous Prime Minister.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants.
In those first few months of May, she had tremendous power to set the narrative.
Instead, she caved to the ERGer tendency at the first whiff of Mark Francois’s underpants. She has continued to do so at every single opportunity.
The road from Twickenham Station to the stadium is covered in crap after any game there but you’re not advocating banning rugby.
Oh, and do try to find another ad hominem than the dreadfully tired and hackneyed “remoaner” - it’s SO 2016 my dear.
And May promises the Remainers in her Cabinet she would not use Hard Brexit as a threat to force through her Deal.
May was, is, and will always be - a sweet lying hound.
I see it differently: the ERGers position was obvious, and she was bowing to the inevitable. And at least by doing that she made progress: ignoring it would have made any progress impossible.
It's easy to forget that May's deal has the support from many who you would not necessarily expect to support it, for instance Richard Tyndall and CR on here. Many previous remainers also support it. It's just that for others, on both sides, compromise is impossible. And that would have been as true two years ago as it is now.
Come on MPs, break the party whip, get a grip and get control.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1108463444884361216
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1108460589398016000
She'll be smashing Bercow over the head with a chair next.
I had no idea.
I am a member of the elite at last!
PS. I bet Mason never goes to any dinner parties in London.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
My guess on exactly how short is: three words, approximately an anagram of "nation shagged nchh".