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Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"0 -
I imagine so. If no harm came to the bull and he was only fed on grass or lentils, I am sure a Vegan could eat as part of calorie controlled dietMarqueeMark said:
Is bullshit vegan?SandyRentool said:
Only if a shit sandwich is considered to be vegan.FrancisUrquhart said:
Are we back to talking about Veganism?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think she has a lot on her plate at presentScott_P said:0 -
Better to think of her tenure as a half life. Exponentially decaying and becoming ever more useless, but never quite over. No chance of her actually quitting if MV3 fails. She will never resign of her own accord.RochdalePioneers said:So can we measure the remaining lifespan of the Prime Minister in hours or days?
How about for the government>
How about for Brexit?0 -
I am the 7%!Scott_P said:0 -
BREAKING: PM statement outside No. 10 at 8 pm0
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"Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat." Yes, I could see that appealing to Boris.williamglenn said:
Boris Johnson seizes the opportunity for his Churchillian moment and backs revocation as the best way of avoiding the "Carthaginian terms" of the withdrawal agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not at all sure how that comes aboutOldKingCole said:
Revoke's still a possibility, though.NickPalmer said:
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.FF43 said:It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Is PM Boris a price worth paying for Remaining though? Hmm...0 -
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?0 -
He's one to talk given his unbending fanaticism is one reason no deal is still so prevalent an option. He's a total hypocrite who has been happy to risk everything so long as he gets what he wants, and no different to those he criticises.IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"0 -
Have we reached the Sunlit Uplands yet?Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.38325050 -
Maybe but books in the future will be very interestingDavidL said:
Don't be ridiculous. None of those involved are capable of that level of coordination or organisation. We have a PM whose focus has come down from a long term plan, to the next week to what votes are up today. She has completely lost the plot and really should have quit.Big_G_NorthWales said:I am beginning to think this has been co-ordinated by the EU and no 10
Lidington was in Brussels yesterday and the choreography from TM publishing her letter, to leaks that Macron would say no, to Tusk saying yes but subject to WDA passing next week, and Varadkar announcing TM will address the nation tonight
Who knows but it is feasable0 -
Woops!!!Ishmael_Z said:
Best typo ever.SandyRentool said:
If only there was a way for the country to have a say.Scott_P said:
Just Revoke, Tezzie. Then reign. For all our sakes.0 -
lots of moaning and whingeing backbenchers bewailing their impotence in HoC0 -
From the other side of the Brexit debate, I have to agree with you.AlastairMeeks said:
In a keenly contested category, she is now comfortably the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime and quite possibly the worst since universal suffrage.david_herdson said:
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
we seem to be heading that way !MarqueeMark said:
Have we reached the Sunlit Uplands yet?Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.38325050 -
Grieve rinsing May. Pity no-one will pay heed.0
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In my brief period posting here I have noticed that there is a general consensus that when someone of the opposite views to a poster verbally attacks someone who shares his/her views, it automatically means that the attacker (and by extension his party/tribe) is "rattled". May I ask if there is any evidence to support this assertion? A peer-reviewed psychological study perhaps?MarqueeMark said:
Remainers rattled.....IanB2 said:Stunning direct attack on May by Grieve in the Commons debate
Grieve has put everything he owns on black. It's going to come up red.0 -
Very personal thing for them to bring up, given politically they are not impotent and that's been part of May's problem.Alanbrooke said:
lots of moaning and whingeing backbenchers bewailing their impotence in HoC0 -
.. and he might not be for much longer, either.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Im sure there are many in the party who have never been more ashamed as to have him as a memberCarlottaVance said:0 -
Presumably with an election also part of the deal?williamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
True, but so would the backlash for not backing it.williamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
He needs to go thenCarlottaVance said:0 -
Sky Poll.
Only 7 percent put the full blame on the EU for the current mess .0 -
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We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.0
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The door's over there then.CarlottaVance said:0 -
they are impotent in as far as they cant agree anything among themselves ( except how important they are )kle4 said:
Very personal thing for them to bring up, given politically they are not impotent and that's been part of May's problem.Alanbrooke said:
lots of moaning and whingeing backbenchers bewailing their impotence in HoC
really we should ban this entire lot from ever being MPs again and start with a fresh house.0 -
The addition of circusses having preceded the shortages of bread.Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.38325050 -
And how are you going to do thatFenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
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Teh backlash against may would be just as much from the ERG. Both parties might fall apart.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Presumably with an election also part of the deal?williamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?0 -
loads of bread in Warwickshire, but no circusesPro_Rata said:
The addition of circusses having preceded the shortages of bread.Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.38325050 -
Just imagine how happy we will be when we get our free UnicornsMarqueeMark said:
Have we reached the Sunlit Uplands yet?Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.38325050 -
This afternoon has tipped my business over the edge, the remaining decisions on supply are all now made on the assumption that we no deal next week,
Wonder how many others have also been holding off making a decision as long as possible and are now also acting?
The panic buying and chaos starts here in earnest0 -
If our MPs weren't using Brexit as a proxy for leadership battles or for forcing a general election, we might have ended up with a sensible compromise a hell of a lot sooner.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
How does that work, putting it to the people. Like a vote, you mean?kle4 said:
Indeed. Plus she has tried the approach before to put pressure on MPs, and it hasn't worked because the public are happier with no deal than deal, ore remain than deal.david_herdson said:
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
I suggested something along these lines to Johnson when I was lucky enough to meet him last week. He said that a lot of people had suggested that course of action to him, but he didn't seem to me very inclined to do it. (Sorry for namedropping).rpjs said:
"Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat." Yes, I could see that appealing to Boris.williamglenn said:
Boris Johnson seizes the opportunity for his Churchillian moment and backs revocation as the best way of avoiding the "Carthaginian terms" of the withdrawal agreement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not at all sure how that comes aboutOldKingCole said:
Revoke's still a possibility, though.NickPalmer said:
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.FF43 said:It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Is PM Boris a price worth paying for Remaining though? Hmm...0 -
If Parliament agrees to do so, an extension to do it would be quickly forthcoming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And how are you going to do thatFenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
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I had my periodic glance at La Repubblica this morning and Brexit, even at this stage, was the 93rd strapline on the, very large, main page.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Facing a VONC in his Constituency.WhisperingOracle said:
.. and he might not be for much longer, either.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I am still a member, and I am a lot more proud of him than I am the thickos in the ERG. He is knowledgeable, articulate and intelligent. The Conservative Party needs more, not less Dominic Grieves, and a lot less Mark FrancoisesAlanbrooke said:
Im sure there are many in the party who have never been more ashamed as to have him as a memberCarlottaVance said:0 -
It would need either May or Corbyn committing to it, and neither look like they will in a month of sundays.Fenman said:
If Parliament agrees to do so, an extension to do it would be quickly forthcoming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And how are you going to do thatFenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
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Where are the numbersFenman said:
If Parliament agrees to do so, an extension to do it would be quickly forthcoming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And how are you going to do thatFenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
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I think Sky Polls are just a part of the irritating ephemera of modern life. They could be used as examples in chapter 1 of "Invalid Statistical Techniques for fun or profit".nico67 said:Sky Poll.
Only 7 percent put the full blame on the EU for the current mess .0 -
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"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law. I also believe that the people of our country will benefit from a close continuing relationship with a strong EU and I will work to help build these important links for our future. I very much hope, therefore, that the Prime Minister will be able to achieve something close to the goals she set out in her speech at Lancaster House in February."Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?
Dominic Grieve 2/5/170 -
Mr. Tyke, quite.
The electorate don't have votes in the Commons...0 -
No, the Withdrawal Agreement is largely not contested by Labour it is whether to make the backstop and Customs Union membership permanent which is a matter for the future relationshipwilliamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
Hold the vote. The Tory Party is ready to split.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where are the numbersFenman said:
If Parliament agrees to do so, an extension to do it would be quickly forthcoming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And how are you going to do thatFenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
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Whether or not to support leaving is very much contested within the Labour party.HYUFD said:
No, the Withdrawal Agreement is largely not contested by Labour it is whether to make the backstop and Customs Union membership permanent which is a matter for the future relationshipwilliamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
MPs shouldn't be robotic clones or nodding yes-men to their leader but when the central plank of a manifesto is something that you don't believe in . . . don't complain later when the government tries to implement the manifesto you were elected upon.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?0 -
fewerNigel_Foremain said:
I am still a member, and I am a lot more proud of him than I am the thickos in the ERG. He is knowledgeable, articulate and intelligent. The Conservative Party needs more, not less Dominic Grieves, and a lot less Mark FrancoisesAlanbrooke said:
Im sure there are many in the party who have never been more ashamed as to have him as a memberCarlottaVance said:0 -
Nothing contradictory in that statement if you read it properly.TrèsDifficile said:x
"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law. I also believe that the people of our country will benefit from a close continuing relationship with a strong EU and I will work to help build these important links for our future. I very much hope, therefore, that the Prime Minister will be able to achieve something close to the goals she set out in her speech at Lancaster House in February."Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?
Dominic Grieve 2/5/170 -
Except almost everything the liar has done and said since.Nigel_Foremain said:
Nothing contradictory in that statement if you read it properly.TrèsDifficile said:x
"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law. I also believe that the people of our country will benefit from a close continuing relationship with a strong EU and I will work to help build these important links for our future. I very much hope, therefore, that the Prime Minister will be able to achieve something close to the goals she set out in her speech at Lancaster House in February."Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?
Dominic Grieve 2/5/170 -
It's being much more frequently covered in France now. Opinion from everyone I've spoken to seems to be largely aligned with Macron against any extension and thinks we are a bit nuts. My own wife included!Pro_Rata said:
I had my periodic glance at La Repubblica this morning and Brexit, even at this stage, was the 93rd strapline on the, very large, main page.CarlottaVance said:0 -
UKIP just use to be red trousered libertarian free marketeers, it has long since gone down the rabbit hole to an immigration obsessed, foreigner hating, Islamic despising reactionary political wing of the EDF.Nigel_Foremain said:
An ex-UKIP member accusing someone of having a closed mind, or questioning their intelligence is hilarious!Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually once again Nigel is incorrect. I joined UKIP back when it first formed under Alan Sked. Unlike Sked I stayed in after Farage took over and then left once Cameron announced the referendum was on. They were a useful vehicle to achieve a goal and once that goal was achieved they became pointless. So I have not been a UKIP member for almost 4years.Martin_Kinsella said:
Oh dear, someone has to support them I guess. Does he like Tommeh too ?
Now since Nigel is both fairly new to PB and also clearly suffers from some deficiencies in intelligence he can be forgiven for not knowing this and also for not knowing I advocate unlimited migration. Something I suspect might stir some concerns in his closed mind.
I used to find you irritating, but now I do enjoy your contributions as they keep confirming my suspicions of how dumb you have to be to be a UKIP supporter. Now you admit you were a member. Fantastic. Did you have little rallies where you secretly dressed up? Practice sessions where you attempted to talk about Europe without getting red in the face or rolling your eyes?
The really interesting thing about your post is that you said you joined under Alan Sked. Sked openly accused Farage of being a racist (I am sure even you can use Google) and yet you remained part of a party led by a man accused of being a racist, and who has not sued Sked for what he said. You must have known about that. Nice one! Keep taking the tablets Richard. The great thing about freedom of speech is that we get to see those with unpleasant views crawl out from under their stones and show themselves for what they are.
PS I have been following PB since the days of "Tim". I gave up contributing for a while and then came back. Sorry you have bene too dumb to work that one out0 -
the conservatives no longer have a purpose they just need to wind their party up and make way for people interested in making the country a better place for all its citizensNigel_Foremain said:
I am still a member, and I am a lot more proud of him than I am the thickos in the ERG. He is knowledgeable, articulate and intelligent. The Conservative Party needs more, not less Dominic Grieves, and a lot less Mark FrancoisesAlanbrooke said:
Im sure there are many in the party who have never been more ashamed as to have him as a memberCarlottaVance said:
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Depends what it is of course. More likely nowt will come of it.williamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:
A compromise to the PM means everyone deciding to agree with her.0 -
@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.0
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Scare the Remainers into it.Stereotomy said:
So today May offers ERGers two good reasons not to vote for her deal: A much bigger likelihood of No Deal, and her resignation. What on earth is she thinking?Scott_P said:0 -
Not really. Many people joined UKIP as a vehicle for getting a referendum. That is why when they got one support for the party collapsed. They became pointless.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well I confess, much as it must hurt your ego, I had not noticed that contradiction before. A UKIPer in favour of unlimited migration! I have heard it all now! Sounds a bit like a Jewish Nazi or Billionaire Marxist. You are really very amusing!Richard_Tyndall said:
As I said before you show your profound ignorance. I have argued in favour of unlimited migration on here for many years. I am starting to think perhaps you were still in nappies when Tim was posting on here.Nigel_Foremain said:
You are really funny, but without trying. A stereotype. The claim on unlimited immigration while being a member of UKIP. You couldn't make it up! Absolutely priceless, and then calling me Foreskin, absolutely brilliant. I don't often laugh at people, but Ill make an exception for you Mr Tyndall (or should I think of some childish playground name for you?).0 -
Utter nonsense. He understands the law, his detractors, and most of the legislature do not.TrèsDifficile said:
Except almost everything the liar has done and said since.Nigel_Foremain said:
Nothing contradictory in that statement if you read it properly.TrèsDifficile said:x
"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law. I also believe that the people of our country will benefit from a close continuing relationship with a strong EU and I will work to help build these important links for our future. I very much hope, therefore, that the Prime Minister will be able to achieve something close to the goals she set out in her speech at Lancaster House in February."Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?
Dominic Grieve 2/5/170 -
The rural alehouse can be as deceptive as the London coffee house in making national decisions. The Tories may be about to find this out.dr_spyn said:0 -
Seems as good an excuse as any to bring back my theoretical conversation between party leaders at the suggestion they get locked together in a room to figure something out.dixiedean said:
Depends what it is of course. More likely nowt will come of it.williamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:
A compromise to the PM means everyone deciding to agree with her.
May: You must do as I say
Corbyn: You must do as I say
Blackford: You must do as I say
Saville-Roberts: You must do as the SNP say
Lucas: You must do as..wait, why am I even here?
Dodds: Never, never...
May: We've not discussed any options yet...
Dodds: Don't interrupt me. Ahem. Never!
May: *sigh*. Someone wake up Vince please.
Umunna: I'll do it.
All: Who the f*ck invited the Tiggers?
But yeah, we know nothing will come of this.0 -
Rolling the pitch for the GE she will call if she loses MV3?david_herdson said:Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.
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Its interesting how many of the happiest countries have a population of under ten million and also a low population density.Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.3832505
It suggests an independent Scotland might be happy.
I'm surprised to see Botswana as being so unhappy - I thought that was one of Africa's 'success stories'.0 -
david_herdson said:
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.AlastairMeeks said:david_herdson said:
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.AlastairMeeks said:
Which, given her astonishing political ineptitude, is likely to be precisely what she’ll do.david_herdson said:
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
I thought May had found that out once already.WhisperingOracle said:
The rural alehouse can be as deceptive as the London coffee house in making national decisions. The Tories may be about to find this out.dr_spyn said:0 -
Not really by Corbyn and not by many Labour MPs from Leave seatswilliamglenn said:
Whether or not to support leaving is very much contested within the Labour party.HYUFD said:
No, the Withdrawal Agreement is largely not contested by Labour it is whether to make the backstop and Customs Union membership permanent which is a matter for the future relationshipwilliamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:0 -
And while we are used to the ‘elected dictatorship’ nature of our politics, and all this parliament stuff seems dreadful and grubby, actually in the rest of Europe and most of the world this kind of thing is pretty normal. Deals, back scratching, nose holding and governments prostrating themselves to a small number of people who hold the balance of power is not considered a bug, but a feature of their politics based on proportional voting system creating perpetual coalitions.Pro_Rata said:
I had my periodic glance at La Repubblica this morning and Brexit, even at this stage, was the 93rd strapline on the, very large, main page.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Too late. She cannot even control the ones in her Cabinet.Alistair said:
Scare the Remainers into it.Stereotomy said:
So today May offers ERGers two good reasons not to vote for her deal: A much bigger likelihood of No Deal, and her resignation. What on earth is she thinking?Scott_P said:0 -
It’s a useful counterpoint to those on here who think the country has already disappeared down the plughole.MarqueeMark said:
Have we reached the Sunlit Uplands yet?Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.38325050 -
Fair enough, never mind being corrected on grammar, though if you understood rhetoric you would understand it spoils the symmetry of the sentenceTrèsDifficile said:
fewerNigel_Foremain said:
I am still a member, and I am a lot more proud of him than I am the thickos in the ERG. He is knowledgeable, articulate and intelligent. The Conservative Party needs more, not less Dominic Grieves, and a lot less Mark FrancoisesAlanbrooke said:
Im sure there are many in the party who have never been more ashamed as to have him as a memberCarlottaVance said:
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The most interest seems to be in Northern Europe, particularly neighbouring countries ; France, the low countries, Germany and Scandinavia - and it's not generally positive.Paristonda said:
It's being much more frequently covered in France now. Opinion from everyone I've spoken to seems to be largely aligned with Macron against any extension and thinks we are a bit nuts. My own wife included!Pro_Rata said:
I had my periodic glance at La Repubblica this morning and Brexit, even at this stage, was the 93rd strapline on the, very large, main page.CarlottaVance said:0 -
TrèsDifficile said:
@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.
I think there’s something about having the name “Nigel” that makes you rather dickish.0 -
I was out for a beer last week with two remainers one a retired legal partner and lifelong Labour man the other a retired actuarial partnerWhisperingOracle said:
The rural alehouse can be as deceptive as the London coffee house in making national decisions. The Tories may be about to find this out.dr_spyn said:
we all agreed on one thing we couldnt think of any party we;d want to vote for0 -
There is nothing wrong with Nigelb...Casino_Royale said:TrèsDifficile said:@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.
I think there’s something about having the name “Nigel” that makes you rather dickish.0 -
He has been clear since that nothing the PM could achieve would be good enough for him. He should have been honest from the start. Carefully worded statements were not needed.Nigel_Foremain said:
Nothing contradictory in that statement if you read it properly.TrèsDifficile said:x
"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law. I also believe that the people of our country will benefit from a close continuing relationship with a strong EU and I will work to help build these important links for our future. I very much hope, therefore, that the Prime Minister will be able to achieve something close to the goals she set out in her speech at Lancaster House in February."Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?
Dominic Grieve 2/5/170 -
I agree , May is a complete disgrace to this country.AlastairMeeks said:
In a keenly contested category, she is now comfortably the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime and quite possibly the worst since universal suffrage.david_herdson said:
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
well since theyll take the brunt of the down side why would it be ?WhisperingOracle said:
The most interest seems to be in Northern Europe, particularly neighbouring countries ; France, the low countries, Germany and Scandinavia ; and it's not generally positive .Paristonda said:
It's being much more frequently covered in France now. Opinion from everyone I've spoken to seems to be largely aligned with Macron against any extension and thinks we are a bit nuts. My own wife included!Pro_Rata said:
I had my periodic glance at La Repubblica this morning and Brexit, even at this stage, was the 93rd strapline on the, very large, main page.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Calorie control isn’t their problem.Nigel_Foremain said:
I imagine so. If no harm came to the bull and he was only fed on grass or lentils, I am sure a Vegan could eat as part of calorie controlled dietMarqueeMark said:
Is bullshit vegan?SandyRentool said:
Only if a shit sandwich is considered to be vegan.FrancisUrquhart said:
Are we back to talking about Veganism?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think she has a lot on her plate at presentScott_P said:
Or, rather, it is their problem.0 -
We will have to agree to disagree.Ishmael_Z said:
There is nothing wrong with Nigelb...Casino_Royale said:TrèsDifficile said:@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.
I think there’s something about having the name “Nigel” that makes you rather dickish.0 -
A lot of people agree.Fenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
The votes are piling up so quickly people are taking video screenshots and putting them online.0 -
Given the cliff we are meant to be falling off I was surprised by the result. Only Canada ranks ahead of us among the major economies.another_richard said:
Its interesting how many of the happiest countries have a population of under ten million and also a low population density.Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.3832505
It suggests an independent Scotland might be happy.
I'm surprised to see Botswana as being so unhappy - I thought that was one of Africa's 'success stories'.
maybe theres a lot to be said for ignoring the politicans and watching Love Island0 -
Well you must be pals because you also resort to personal abuse. He said he was a member of UKIP. Support for an outcome would be different. There are plenty of people who have differing views on here and they can be respected. Richard is not one that I can have any respect for, particularly with such a ridiculous position as that. I don't normally enjoy being rude to people, but he is clearly unpleasant so deserves it. So no, I am not the one being a dick here, dickhead!TrèsDifficile said:@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.
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Grieve has been every bit as unhelpful to the process as the most intransigent ERGer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He needs to go thenCarlottaVance said:0 -
It seems the natural response to those who want to remain and see their hope of a referendum disappearRecidivist said:
A lot of people agree.Fenman said:We need to revoke Article 50 now. This is no longer amusing.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
The votes are piling up so quickly people are taking video screenshots and putting them online.0 -
While the rest of the country goes about its business quite happily.notme2 said:
And while we are used to the ‘elected dictatorship’ nature of our politics, and all this parliament stuff seems dreadful and grubby, actually in the rest of Europe and most of the world this kind of thing is pretty normal. Deals, back scratching, nose holding and governments prostrating themselves to a small number of people who hold the balance of power is not considered a bug, but a feature of their politics based on proportional voting system creating perpetual coalitions.Pro_Rata said:
I had my periodic glance at La Repubblica this morning and Brexit, even at this stage, was the 93rd strapline on the, very large, main page.CarlottaVance said:
Recent political events have been very European in their nature.0 -
LOL. And btw Grieve and Trevelyan even more determined to vote against now.kle4 said:
Seems as good an excuse as any to bring back my theoretical conversation between party leaders at the suggestion they get locked together in a room to figure something out.dixiedean said:
Depends what it is of course. More likely nowt will come of it.williamglenn said:
The backlash against Labour for backing something like that would be immense.Scott_P said:
A compromise to the PM means everyone deciding to agree with her.
May: You must do as I say
Corbyn: You must do as I say
Blackford: You must do as I say
Saville-Roberts: You must do as the SNP say
Lucas: You must do as..wait, why am I even here?
Dodds: Never, never...
May: We've not discussed any options yet...
Dodds: Don't interrupt me. Ahem. Never!
May: *sigh*. Someone wake up Vince please.
Umunna: I'll do it.
All: Who the f*ck invited the Tiggers?
But yeah, we know nothing will come of this.0 -
"I don't normally enjoy being rude to people"Nigel_Foremain said:
Well you must be pals because you also resort to personal abuse. He said he was a member of UKIP. Support for an outcome would be different. There are plenty of people who have differing views on here and they can be respected. Richard is not one that I can have any respect for, particularly with such a ridiculous position as that. I don't normally enjoy being rude to people, but he is clearly unpleasant so deserves it. So no, I am not the one being a dick here, dickhead!TrèsDifficile said:@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.
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Can't agree with you Mr. kle4. You might not like what he has done, but he has been holding the PM to account while she has drifted inexorably in the direction of the ERG. For that he has done parliament and the country good service. He is a man of conscience and he believes what she has done has damaged the country.kle4 said:
He has been clear since that nothing the PM could achieve would be good enough for him. He should have been honest from the start. Carefully worded statements were not needed.Nigel_Foremain said:
Nothing contradictory in that statement if you read it properly.TrèsDifficile said:x
"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law. I also believe that the people of our country will benefit from a close continuing relationship with a strong EU and I will work to help build these important links for our future. I very much hope, therefore, that the Prime Minister will be able to achieve something close to the goals she set out in her speech at Lancaster House in February."Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry Philip, but the idea that all MPs should robotically fall into line with a manifesto, particularly when they may have been an MP for a long time is just silly. Our (rather broken) system attempts to present a manifesto for the executive through it's MPs. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of MPs over the years who have not rigidly stuck to the manifesto of the front bench, and quite rightly so.Philip_Thompson said:
He's upset he's lost?IanB2 said:Grieve: "never been more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative party"
"What is the purpose of this government?"
"Trust and credibility in this government is running out"
"We are going to spiral down into oblivion, and the worst part is that we will deserve it"
The purpose of this government is to enact Brexit. He should know that, its the manifesto he stood on last time.
EDIT: And why hasn't he quit to join TIG if that's how he feels?
Dominic Grieve 2/5/170 -
Finland is not the happiest country on the world.another_richard said:
Its interesting how many of the happiest countries have a population of under ten million and also a low population density.Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.3832505
It suggests an independent Scotland might be happy.
I'm surprised to see Botswana as being so unhappy - I thought that was one of Africa's 'success stories'.0 -
I don't mind some of them going as well !!!Norm said:
Grieve has been every bit as unhelpful to the process as the most intransigent ERGer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He needs to go thenCarlottaVance said:0 -
Difficult to know how to respond to that really, other than to say prejudice sits well with your other opinions.Casino_Royale said:TrèsDifficile said:@Nigel_Foremain you're making a complete dick of yourself re @Richard_Tyndall - he's always been very clear in his support for freedom of movement, he just wanted to leave the EU. Supporting UKIP in that aim was the only route to it.
I think there’s something about having the name “Nigel” that makes you rather dickish.0 -
Venezuela according to Jezzarcs1000 said:
Finland is not the happiest country on the world.another_richard said:
Its interesting how many of the happiest countries have a population of under ten million and also a low population density.Alanbrooke said:
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.3832505
It suggests an independent Scotland might be happy.
I'm surprised to see Botswana as being so unhappy - I thought that was one of Africa's 'success stories'.0
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