A vote to revoke A50 in the Commons next week would not carry legal weight, but I think it would be impossible to ignore. I think that May would have to resign, and hand over to someone prepared to do so.
But, I don't think there's a majority to do so. If 334 MP's oppose a second referendum, there must be a larger number who oppose revocation, without one.
So, that leaves Deal or No Deal.
I think she might be sweetening the Deal by offering her resignation within weeks if it passes.
Errr....someone want to point out if the MV passes, it passes. No backies.
If it passes subject to a referendum the parliament wouldn't ratify the implementing legislation without a public vote first.
That would also be a convincing justification for a longer extension given that it would take no deal off the table and restrict the choices to Deal or Remain.
Somebody on here the other day suggested May sends the crappiest emptiest extension request letter, thus forcing the EU to have no option but to reject it. Then she pummels MV3 through next week at 11.59pm metaphorically speaking given the alternative is No Deal.
You know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Never fails to make me laugh.
Nervous? Yes. First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times.
I do believe it is the funniest film ever made.
Almost certainly, it could not get made these days. Too many interest groups would be outraged.
"Have you seen a grown man naked?" would be on the cutting room floor, for sure!
For certain. Also, as mentioned below, the translations into jive; and, the heroine giving a blow job to the automatic pilot; and the young girl saying "I like it black, like my men."; and the EL Al plane, bedecked with beard and sidelocks.
I blame Bercow for the last few days, we were inching towards a long extension and then he charges in for no reason and scares the horses with talk of preventing MV3 (which the gov was going to lose anyway). Idiot.
Oh dear, someone has to support them I guess. Does he like Tommeh too ?
Actually once again Nigel is incorrect. I joined UKIP back when it first formed under Alan Sked. Unlike Sked I stayed in after Farage took over and then left once Cameron announced the referendum was on. They were a useful vehicle to achieve a goal and once that goal was achieved they became pointless. So I have not been a UKIP member for almost 4years.
Now since Nigel is both fairly new to PB and also clearly suffers from some deficiencies in intelligence he can be forgiven for not knowing this and also for not knowing I advocate unlimited migration. Something I suspect might stir some concerns in his closed mind.
An ex-UKIP member accusing someone of having a closed mind, or questioning their intelligence is hilarious!
I used to find you irritating, but now I do enjoy your contributions as they keep confirming my suspicions of how dumb you have to be to be a UKIP supporter. Now you admit you were a member. Fantastic. Did you have little rallies where you secretly dressed up? Practice sessions where you attempted to talk about Europe without getting red in the face or rolling your eyes?
The really interesting thing about your post is that you said you joined under Alan Sked. Sked openly accused Farage of being a racist (I am sure even you can use Google) and yet you remained part of a party led by a man accused of being a racist, and who has not sued Sked for what he said. You must have known about that. Nice one! Keep taking the tablets Richard. The great thing about freedom of speech is that we get to see those with unpleasant views crawl out from under their stones and show themselves for what they are.
PS I have been following PB since the days of "Tim". I gave up contributing for a while and then came back. Sorry you have bene too dumb to work that one out
That is some epic back peddling there Foreskin. Just shows how duplicitous you are.
Still no answer to the point about supporting unlimited migration I see. Of course if you agreed then I would welcome you to the fold but as I said you appear to possess a closed mind over such things.
And it is no surprise I didn't remember you given the inanity of your postings since you reappeared. You are the forgotten man with good reason.
It is quite clear now that the EU really likes the idea of the UK leaving under the terms of surrender they negotiated with May, probably more even than the idea of the UK staying in the EU. It actually settles very little really other than forcing the UK into a further 2 year negotiation having thrown all our best cards away and with our arm held hard behind our back.
Equally, they see the political numbers in the HoC and realise that MPs are not going to allow the UK to leave on 29th March and then start negotiating from scratch.
So Tusk is quite happy to try and force a choice on MPs between either the UK leaving unconditionally or their signing up to May's surrender, knowing that MPs will then make entirely the wrong choice. Having signed up to the worst of all worlds, worse that either leaving unconditionally or remaining, this really will go down as the UK's greatest foreign policy failure since Munich (at least).
The only thing that appears to be clear is that political journalists are lacking a clue and are attempting to deflect their lack of insider information with vaguely worded tweets. "may" and "might" are overused currencies.
I'm sure loads of people on here were saying, months and months ago, that the concept of a "Meaningful vote" on the WA was ridiculous, because once it was agreed between May and the EU, it was that or No Deal.
You know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Never fails to make me laugh.
Nervous? Yes. First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times.
I do believe it is the funniest film ever made.
Almost certainly, it could not get made these days. Too many interest groups would be outraged.
"Have you seen a grown man naked?" would be on the cutting room floor, for sure!
For certain. Also, as mentioned below, the translations into jive; and, the heroine giving a blow job to the automatic pilot; and the young girl saying "I like it black, like my men."; and the EL Al plane, bedecked with beard and sidelocks.
Or the line of people slapping the woman having a panic attack!!
I blame Bercow for the last few days, we were inching towards a long extension and then he charges in for no reason and scares the horses with talk of preventing MV3 (which the gov was going to lose anyway). Idiot.
And yet so many confirmed Messiah like status on him
Somebody on here the other day suggested May sends the crappiest emptiest extension request letter, thus forcing the EU to have no option but to reject it. Then she pummels MV3 through next week at 11.59pm metaphorically speaking given the alternative is No Deal.
I think that's just what has happened today.
The reason why this Govt. is so shite is that it spends all day reading pb.com....?
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
You know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Never fails to make me laugh.
Nervous? Yes. First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times.
I do believe it is the funniest film ever made.
Almost certainly, it could not get made these days. Too many interest groups would be outraged.
"Have you seen a grown man naked?" would be on the cutting room floor, for sure!
For certain. Also, as mentioned below, the translations into jive; and, the heroine giving a blow job to the automatic pilot; and the young girl saying "I like it black, like my men."; and the EL Al plane, bedecked with beard and sidelocks.
It’s superb!
Also the red zone/white zone stuff and debate over abortion over the tannoy would probably be out too.
You know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Never fails to make me laugh.
Nervous? Yes. First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times.
I do believe it is the funniest film ever made.
Almost certainly, it could not get made these days. Too many interest groups would be outraged.
"Have you seen a grown man naked?" would be on the cutting room floor, for sure!
For certain. Also, as mentioned below, the translations into jive; and, the heroine giving a blow job to the automatic pilot; and the young girl saying "I like it black, like my men."; and the EL Al plane, bedecked with beard and sidelocks.
I'm going to have to watch Airplane this evening after this.
My particular favourites are the sub-plot where Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is going incognito as the co-pilot, and Lt. Hurtwitz, who thinks he's Ethel Merman.
You know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Never fails to make me laugh.
Nervous? Yes. First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times.
I do believe it is the funniest film ever made.
Almost certainly, it could not get made these days. Too many interest groups would be outraged.
"Have you seen a grown man naked?" would be on the cutting room floor, for sure!
For certain. Also, as mentioned below, the translations into jive; and, the heroine giving a blow job to the automatic pilot; and the young girl saying "I like it black, like my men."; and the EL Al plane, bedecked with beard and sidelocks.
*sniff - I loved that El Al jet....*
Jeremy Corbyn: "Oh, is it meant to be Jewish? I hadn't noticed....."
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
They will also take place with a number of new political leaders in place....
Oh dear, someone has to support them I guess. Does he like Tommeh too ?
Actually once again Nigel is incorrect. I joined UKIP back when it first formed under Alan Sked. Unlike Sked I stayed in after Farage took over and then left once Cameron announced the referendum was on. They were a useful vehicle to achieve a goal and once that goal was achieved they became pointless. So I have not been a UKIP member for almost 4years.
Now since Nigel is both fairly new to PB and also clearly suffers from some deficiencies in intelligence he can be forgiven for not knowing this and also for not knowing I advocate unlimited migration. Something I suspect might stir some concerns in his closed mind.
An ex-UKIP member accusing someone of having a closed mind, or questioning their intelligence is hilarious!
I used to find you irritating, but now I do enjoy your contributions as they keep confirming my suspicions of how dumb you have to be to be a UKIP supporter. Now you admit you were a member. Fantastic. Did you have little rallies where you secretly dressed up? Practice sessions where you attempted to talk about Europe without getting red in the face or rolling your eyes?
The really interesting thing about your post is that you said you joined under Alan Sked. Sked openly accused Farage of being a racist (I am sure even you can use Google) and yet you remained part of a party led by a man accused of being a racist, and who has not sued Sked for what he said. You must have known about that. Nice one! Keep taking the tablets Richard. The great thing about freedom of speech is that we get to see those with unpleasant views crawl out from under their stones and show themselves for what they are.
PS I have been following PB since the days of "Tim". I gave up contributing for a while and then came back. Sorry you have bene too dumb to work that one out
That is some epic back peddling there Foreskin. Just shows how duplicitous you are.
Still no answer to the point about supporting unlimited migration I see. Of course if you agreed then I would welcome you to the fold but as I said you appear to possess a closed mind over such things.
And it is no surprise I didn't remember you given the inanity of your postings since you reappeared. You are the forgotten man with good reason.
You are really funny, but without trying. A stereotype. The claim on unlimited immigration while being a member of UKIP. You couldn't make it up! Absolutely priceless, and then calling me Foreskin, absolutely brilliant. I don't often laugh at people, but Ill make an exception for you Mr Tyndall (or should I think of some childish playground name for you?).
I blame Bercow for the last few days, we were inching towards a long extension and then he charges in for no reason and scares the horses with talk of preventing MV3 (which the gov was going to lose anyway). Idiot.
And yet so many confirmed Messiah like status on him
As someone remarked of budgets - those that are praised on the day usually end in tears....
Oh dear, someone has to support them I guess. Does he like Tommeh too ?
Actually once again Nigel is incorrect. I joined UKIP back when it first formed under Alan Sked. Unlike Sked I stayed in after Farage took over and then left once Cameron announced the referendum was on. They were a useful vehicle to achieve a goal and once that goal was achieved they became pointless. So I have not been a UKIP member for almost 4years.
Now since Nigel is both fairly new to PB and also clearly suffers from some deficiencies in intelligence he can be forgiven for not knowing this and also for not knowing I advocate unlimited migration. Something I suspect might stir some concerns in his closed mind.
An ex-UKIP member accusing someone of having a closed mind, or questioning their intelligence is hilarious!
I used to find you irritating, but now I do enjoy your contributions as they keep confirming my suspicions of how dumb you have to be to be a UKIP supporter. Now you admit you were a member. Fantastic. Did you have little rallies where you secretly dressed up? Practice sessions where you attempted to talk about Europe without getting red in the face or rolling your eyes?
The really interesting thing about your post is that you said you joined under Alan Sked. Sked openly accused Farage of being a racist (I am sure even you can use Google) and yet you remained part of a party led by a man accused of being a racist, and who has not sued Sked for what he said. You must have known about that. Nice one! Keep taking the tablets Richard. The great thing about freedom of speech is that we get to see those with unpleasant views crawl out from under their stones and show themselves for what they are.
PS I have been following PB since the days of "Tim". I gave up contributing for a while and then came back. Sorry you have bene too dumb to work that one out
That is some epic back peddling there Foreskin. Just shows how duplicitous you are.
Still no answer to the point about supporting unlimited migration I see. Of course if you agreed then I would welcome you to the fold but as I said you appear to possess a closed mind over such things.
And it is no surprise I didn't remember you given the inanity of your postings since you reappeared. You are the forgotten man with good reason.
I think you managed to fit your entire vocabulary into that post. Well Done!
Sadly only among the wishful thinking. Can't see it happening.
Anything can happen in the land of Brexit.
Maybe you are right. Perhaps we have all gone into a strange parallel universe where a highly stable parliamentary democracy has become a banana republic, and anything remotely likely has become unlikely, and all that is unlikely has become reality. Ho hum!
Oh dear, someone has to support them I guess. Does he like Tommeh too ?
Actually once again Nigel is incorrect. I joined UKIP back when it first formed under Alan Sked. Unlike Sked I stayed in after Farage took over and then left once Cameron announced the referendum was on. They were a useful vehicle to achieve a goal and once that goal was achieved they became pointless. So I have not been a UKIP member for almost 4years.
Now since Nigel is both fairly new to PB and also clearly suffers from some deficiencies in intelligence he can be forgiven for not knowing this and also for not knowing I advocate unlimited migration. Something I suspect might stir some concerns in his closed mind.
An ex-UKIP member accusing someone of having a closed mind, or questioning their intelligence is hilarious!
I used to find you irritating, but now I do enjoy your contributions as they keep confirming my suspicions of how dumb you have to be to be a UKIP supporter. Now you admit you were a member. Fantastic. Did you have little rallies where you secretly dressed up? Practice sessions where you attempted to talk about Europe without getting red in the face or rolling your eyes?
The really interesting thing about your post is that you said you joined under Alan Sked. Sked openly accused Farage of being a racist (I am sure even you can use Google) and yet you remained part of a party led by a man accused of being a racist, and who has not sued Sked for what he said. You must have known about that. Nice one! Keep taking the tablets Richard. The great thing about freedom of speech is that we get to see those with unpleasant views crawl out from under their stones and show themselves for what they are.
PS I have been following PB since the days of "Tim". I gave up contributing for a while and then came back. Sorry you have bene too dumb to work that one out
That is some epic back peddling there Foreskin. Just shows how duplicitous you are.
Still no answer to the point about supporting unlimited migration I see. Of course if you agreed then I would welcome you to the fold but as I said you appear to possess a closed mind over such things.
And it is no surprise I didn't remember you given the inanity of your postings since you reappeared. You are the forgotten man with good reason.
I think you managed to fit your entire vocabulary into that post. Well Done!
Oh dear, someone has to support them I guess. Does he like Tommeh too ?
Actually once again Nigel is incorrect. I joined UKIP back when it first formed under Alan Sked. Unlike Sked I stayed in after Farage took over and then left once Cameron announced the referendum was on. They were a useful vehicle to achieve a goal and once that goal was achieved they became pointless. So I have not been a UKIP member for almost 4years.
Now since Nigel is both fairly new to PB and also clearly suffers from some deficiencies in intelligence he can be forgiven for not knowing this and also for not knowing I advocate unlimited migration. Something I suspect might stir some concerns in his closed mind.
An ex-UKIP member accusing someone of having a closed mind, or questioning their intelligence is hilarious!
I used to find you irritating, but now I do enjoy your contributions as they keep confirming my suspicions of how dumb you have to be to be a UKIP supporter. Now you admit you were a member. Fantastic. Did you have little rallies where you secretly dressed up? Practice sessions where you attempted to talk about Europe without getting red in the face or rolling your eyes?
The really interesting thing about your post is that you said you joined under Alan Sked. Sked openly accused Farage of being a racist (I am sure even you can use Google) and yet you remained part of a party led by a man accused of being a racist, and who has not sued Sked for what he said. You must have known about that. Nice one! Keep taking the tablets Richard. The great thing about freedom of speech is that we get to see those with unpleasant views crawl out from under their stones and show themselves for what they are.
PS I have been following PB since the days of "Tim". I gave up contributing for a while and then came back. Sorry you have bene too dumb to work that one out
That is some epic back peddling there Foreskin. Just shows how duplicitous you are.
Still no answer to the point about supporting unlimited migration I see. Of course if you agreed then I would welcome you to the fold but as I said you appear to possess a closed mind over such things.
And it is no surprise I didn't remember you given the inanity of your postings since you reappeared. You are the forgotten man with good reason.
I think you managed to fit your entire vocabulary into that post. Well Done!
He had to look up some of the longer words on the Children's Online Intermediate Dictionary
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
You are really funny, but without trying. A stereotype. The claim on unlimited immigration while being a member of UKIP. You couldn't make it up! Absolutely priceless, and then calling me Foreskin, absolutely brilliant. I don't often laugh at people, but Ill make an exception for you Mr Tyndall (or should I think of some childish playground name for you?).
As I said before you show your profound ignorance. I have argued in favour of unlimited migration on here for many years. I am starting to think perhaps you were still in nappies when Tim was posting on here.
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Would have thought you would be pleased? I though many people of a leaver persuasion are worried "the Jerries" were about to start rolling the panzers again?
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
They will also take place with a number of new political leaders in place....
Do you think Theresa May departing the scene will take the sting out of the situation?
Maybe. We're heading to the Vassal State, which was inevitable once we made the marginal decision to leave the EU on false premises.This is just a taste of what's to come: EU: "Agree the Withdrawal Agreement". UK: "OK."
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
You know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Never fails to make me laugh.
Nervous? Yes. First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times.
I do believe it is the funniest film ever made.
Almost certainly, it could not get made these days. Too many interest groups would be outraged.
"Have you seen a grown man naked?" would be on the cutting room floor, for sure!
For certain. Also, as mentioned below, the translations into jive; and, the heroine giving a blow job to the automatic pilot; and the young girl saying "I like it black, like my men."; and the EL Al plane, bedecked with beard and sidelocks.
Or the line of people slapping the woman having a panic attack!!
I've never resolved whether Airplane or Ruthless People is funnier.
It's like arguments about which is best of Alien and Aliens.
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Revoke's still a possibility, though.
Not without any leadership from Corbyn or May, it isn't.
Getting the WA/FR approved is the easy bit; it still has to be enacted. That will be trickier.
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Revoke's still a possibility, though.
I am not at all sure how that comes about
Boris Johnson seizes the opportunity for his Churchillian moment and backs revocation as the best way of avoiding the "Carthaginian terms" of the withdrawal agreement.
It's a dreadful situation. Theresa May has no sway over her hardliners. They either get her deal, which most of them can live with, or they get No Deal, which they prefer. Her Remainer colleagues are appalled at the prospect of No Deal, but are entirely dependent on Labour MPs not opposing. The Deal could pass with a split Tory party and Labour abstentions because they were bounced into it. But the Deal is only a smoke and mirrors affair to get through Brexit. The real bloodletting will start next week when discussions about the long term arrangements start. These will take place in an atmosphere of resentment.
It seems quite likely to pass, with the pincer movement of May (pass it or who knows what) and Tusk (pass it or no deal). As you say, probably a split Tory party and lots of Labour abstentions. The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc.
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Revoke's still a possibility, though.
I am not at all sure how that comes about
Boris Johnson seizes the opportunity for his Churchillian moment and backs revocation as the best way of avoiding the "Carthaginian terms" of the withdrawal agreement.
I am beginning to think this has been co-ordinated by the EU and no 10
Lidington was in Brussels yesterday and the choreography from TM publishing her letter, to leaks that Macron would say no, to Tusk saying yes but subject to WDA passing next week, and Varadkar announcing TM will address the nation tonight
"The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc."
I suspect you're right, which is why Labour has a problem. Jezza willing, I suspect they'll vote for the EU deal but put down an amendment for it to be ratified by a referendum. That, however, if they succeed, means several months before the deal is ratified.
The ball is then in the EU's court. Do they allow the delay in the hope the second referendum includes Remain?
Would have thought you would be pleased? I though many people of a leaver persuasion are worried "the Jerries" were about to start rolling the panzers again?
Why, the Germans are simply free loading on the back of everyone else. time for them to pay their bills.
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.
So, any closer to any progress today? (this would include parliament forcing May to stand down, accepting the deal, taking it out of the government's hands to have a long extension etc etc)
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.
In a keenly contested category, she is now comfortably the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime and quite possibly the worst since universal suffrage.
You are really funny, but without trying. A stereotype. The claim on unlimited immigration while being a member of UKIP. You couldn't make it up! Absolutely priceless, and then calling me Foreskin, absolutely brilliant. I don't often laugh at people, but Ill make an exception for you Mr Tyndall (or should I think of some childish playground name for you?).
As I said before you show your profound ignorance. I have argued in favour of unlimited migration on here for many years. I am starting to think perhaps you were still in nappies when Tim was posting on here.
Well I confess, much as it must hurt your ego, I had not noticed that contradiction before. A UKIPer in favour of unlimited migration! I have heard it all now! Sounds a bit like a Jewish Nazi or Billionaire Marxist. You are really very amusing!
I am beginning to think this has been co-ordinated by the EU and no 10
Lidington was in Brussels yesterday and the choreography from TM publishing her letter, to leaks that Macron would say no, to Tusk saying yes but subject to WDA passing next week, and Varadkar announcing TM will address the nation tonight
Who knows but it is feasable
Don't be ridiculous. None of those involved are capable of that level of coordination or organisation. We have a PM whose focus has come down from a long term plan, to the next week to what votes are up today. She has completely lost the plot and really should have quit.
Two completely different sets of briefings today. Cross-party meetings, attempts to find compromise, and "nothing has changed".
I don't think Theresa is organising the cross-party meetings, and she may only be being allowed to be left in place to let those discussions continue in parallel, and not controlled by her. Maybe Theresa and Liddington are now two Prime Ministers..
Going above the heads of MPs at this moment would be about as far as possible from the best thing to do, given that in this situation, it's *only* MPs who matter.
Indeed. Plus she has tried the approach before to put pressure on MPs, and it hasn't worked because the public are happier with no deal than deal, ore remain than deal.
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That would also be a convincing justification for a longer extension given that it would take no deal off the table and restrict the choices to Deal or Remain.
No one has a clue what’s going to happen.
Right Jezza, Tusk says its this deal or no extension....but I demand ask for 3 months and to renegotiate everything.
Rinse and repeat for 30mins.
I've been saying it for days.
Uhhh, if they have the DUP on board, I think Tory rebels minus Lab rebels can be max 6.
Starts to get properly complicated if we have lots of Lab abstentions though.
Still no answer to the point about supporting unlimited migration I see. Of course if you agreed then I would welcome you to the fold but as I said you appear to possess a closed mind over such things.
And it is no surprise I didn't remember you given the inanity of your postings since you reappeared. You are the forgotten man with good reason.
Equally, they see the political numbers in the HoC and realise that MPs are not going to allow the UK to leave on 29th March and then start negotiating from scratch.
So Tusk is quite happy to try and force a choice on MPs between either the UK leaving unconditionally or their signing up to May's surrender, knowing that MPs will then make entirely the wrong choice. Having signed up to the worst of all worlds, worse that either leaving unconditionally or remaining, this really will go down as the UK's greatest foreign policy failure since Munich (at least).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw
So it has proved (almost). Well done, everyone.
Also the red zone/white zone stuff and debate over abortion over the tannoy would probably be out too.
My particular favourites are the sub-plot where Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is going incognito as the co-pilot, and Lt. Hurtwitz, who thinks he's Ethel Merman.
Jeremy Corbyn: "Oh, is it meant to be Jewish? I hadn't noticed....."
I still expect the crack suicide squad to try it.
MORE! MORE PLEASE! More strong and stable government!
As you say, the devil will be in the details, and it may be that May will not be carrying those forward...
Germany rowing back on defence spending and ignoring its NATO commitments
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/scholz-wehretat-planungen-reichen-nicht-aus-16099293.html
Maybe. We're heading to the Vassal State, which was inevitable once we made the marginal decision to leave the EU on false premises.This is just a taste of what's to come: EU: "Agree the Withdrawal Agreement". UK: "OK."
Most likely not, ofcourse.
It's like arguments about which is best of Alien and Aliens.
Getting the WA/FR approved is the easy bit; it still has to be enacted. That will be trickier.
How about for the government>
How about for Brexit?
Uk climbs 5 places on the happiness index ahead of France Germany US and Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/world-s-happiest-countries-revealed-how-happy-is-ireland-in-2019-1.3832505
https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1108412410149462016
24% chance on betfair. Maybe some wishful thinking there.
Hard to see May doing it, but a new PM? Or a caretaker PM doing it to reset the clock?
I mean I would love to help Theresa but unlike you I don’t sit in parliament.
Lidington was in Brussels yesterday and the choreography from TM publishing her letter, to leaks that Macron would say no, to Tusk saying yes but subject to WDA passing next week, and Varadkar announcing TM will address the nation tonight
Who knows but it is feasable
https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/1108413866223063040
"The public will be quite pleased - decisive at last, etc."
I suspect you're right, which is why Labour has a problem. Jezza willing, I suspect they'll vote for the EU deal but put down an amendment for it to be ratified by a referendum. That, however, if they succeed, means several months before the deal is ratified.
The ball is then in the EU's court. Do they allow the delay in the hope the second referendum includes Remain?
Or have I got it all wrong?
Just Revoke, Tezzie. Then reign. For all our sakes.
Then reign
so you want her to become queen now ?
If they can’t stomach supporting Mays deal they might say okay we’ll pass the deal with a second vote.
I don't think Theresa is organising the cross-party meetings, and she may only be being allowed to be left in place to let those discussions continue in parallel, and not controlled by her. Maybe Theresa and Liddington are now two Prime Ministers..
Grieve has put everything he owns on black. It's going to come up red.
ERG have shot themselves in the foot.