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Which pub would you recommend?_Anazina_ said:
Martin is an odious individual and his pubs are absolute holes.CD13 said:Mr Moonbeam,
"Beeb have got the Weatherspoons bloke on. Everyone he has spoken to (i.e. daytime drinkers) wants No Deal, doncha know?"
You can't beat Wetherspoons for a cheap meal and a pint. A man with an eye for business and his finger on the pulse.0 -
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An extension tomorrow surely nailed on. BFE no deal on 29 March exit still available at 1.13 against - free money guys.0
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MV3 here we go lads....0
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But it doesn't mean they won't give us a technical extension if parliament does agree something by the 29th, which was question?viewcode said:
No. It means that if Parliament has not agreed on anything by the 29th and May asks for a short extension before the 29th, they will allow a short extension to prepare for no deal. This means we will leave with no deal in around May/June, which is the event I'm not covered for.kle4 said:
Doesn't that just mean it must be ratified before the end date, ie if you are to MV3, it has to be this week?viewcode said:
"Brussels will grant an extension to allow time for a general election or a second referendum. It would consider a short extension to give more time to prepare for no deal but is likely to reject a British request for a brief extension to try and get the Brexit deal ratified"Floater said:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/13/brussels-will-tell-theresa-may-ask-long-brexit-extension/
This completely contradicts what the EU were saying publicly yesterday.
OH SHIT!!!!
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Mr HYFUD,
"Ayes 321 Noes 278 Government defeated, Parliament takes control "
Isn't it … Ayes 321 Noes 278 UK voters defeated, Parliament takes control "?
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Easily, unless she's voted out.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:How the hell can May carry on? She is finished.
It all still looks like displacement activity to me.0 -
Vote Farage in the EU elections - chuckle..0
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Total meltdown LAB and SNP unfit for opposition0
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Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?0
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Looks like tomorrow's motion will be just as dodgily worded as today's.0
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As this forces the ERG to face the choice between her Deal or no Brexit at all or Single Market and Customs Union BINOAramintaMoonbeamQC said:How the hell can May carry on? She is finished.
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He is an even bigger cock than the one the biology teacher was displaying earlier.Casino_Royale said:
JRM has turned out to be a real dickhead.GIN1138 said:
Unfortunately JRM and the rest of the DUP/ERG have become drunk on their own publicity and have probably blown Brexit forever.Gallowgate said:JRM is rattled.
FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, the cock in question was a Rhode Island Red.0 -
He's looking forward the EU elections and more time on the gravy train being rude to the French et al.kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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Are they going to be sacked?Slackbladder said:at least 4 cabinet ministers abstained, including Rudd, Mundell, Gauke...
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May, she is an utter disaster.0
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Could have been said any time since 10pm 8 June 2017AramintaMoonbeamQC said:How the hell can May carry on? She is finished.
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David Lammy's campaign against gammons will end in failure, I predict.0
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No, it isn't. "They" (the EU) have only been saying "that" (a short extension with no deal agreed) since about February, just after I placed my bet to cover leave-with-no-deal (see posts passim). I'm covered in the event of Remain, Leave-on-time-with-no-deal, but not in the event of delayed-Leave-with-no-deal. I might have to write this up into an article if @TSE will let me, to save repetition.Chris said:
That's pretty much what they've been saying all along.viewcode said:
"Brussels will grant an extension to allow time for a general election or a second referendum. It would consider a short extension to give more time to prepare for no deal but is likely to reject a British request for a brief extension to try and get the Brexit deal ratified"Floater said:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/13/brussels-will-tell-theresa-may-ask-long-brexit-extension/
This completely contradicts what the EU were saying publicly yesterday.
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Question - why talk of 'resignations'? People who did defy the whip got what they wanted, so no need to resign, they would face the sack surely?0
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I took my parents to the Rose Tree in Durham on Saturday for dinner and it was far better than I expected.AndyJS said:
Which pub would you recommend?_Anazina_ said:
Martin is an odious individual and his pubs are absolute holes.CD13 said:Mr Moonbeam,
"Beeb have got the Weatherspoons bloke on. Everyone he has spoken to (i.e. daytime drinkers) wants No Deal, doncha know?"
You can't beat Wetherspoons for a cheap meal and a pint. A man with an eye for business and his finger on the pulse.0 -
Ian Blackford from the SNP pleased for once Parliament has ruled out No Deal calls for EUref2 or revoking Article 500
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Remarkable that May started the day on the winning side but has managed to manoeuvre herself toward yet another defeat.0
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Corbyn is sounding very reasonable here.0
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MEP salary!kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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Cut off for Blackford lol0
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I posted twice with no memory of the first post. Apologies for the fuckuppery, but at least I'm not a MP...
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17 Tories voting against the government..0
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True but equally since 10pm 8 June 2017 no one else wants the blame...Philip_Thompson said:
Could have been said any time since 10pm 8 June 2017AramintaMoonbeamQC said:How the hell can May carry on? She is finished.
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MICIPMIanB2 said:Remarkable that May started the day on the winning side but has managed to manoeuvre herself toward yet another defeat.
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Farage will be loving this, it gives him a reason to get up in the morning. His Brexit party could do well. Say what you like about him, and there is a lot to say, but that boy knows his audience.Sunil_Prasannan said:
MEP salary!kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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...and it was tattooed on his penis.ydoethur said:
He is an even bigger cock than the one the biology teacher was displaying earlier.Casino_Royale said:
JRM has turned out to be a real dickhead.GIN1138 said:
Unfortunately JRM and the rest of the DUP/ERG have become drunk on their own publicity and have probably blown Brexit forever.Gallowgate said:JRM is rattled.
FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, the cock in question was a Rhode Island Red...0 -
There's not going to be a majority for any of the options.0
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Who ?Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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Who? Didn't know she existed/was in the Cabinet.Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
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With a little help from Mr Bercow to ensure Spelman was voted on (though in fairness that seems totally correct). With that one so close interesting to know how close May came to winning this one, and not facing sackings.IanB2 said:Remarkable that May started the day on the winning side but has managed to manoeuvre herself toward yet another defeat.
I recall a lot of derision when, IIRC, Corbyn did not sack some frontbenchers who did not vote for a policy of his.GIN1138 said:
Are they going to be sacked?Slackbladder said:at least 4 cabinet ministers abstained, including Rudd, Mundell, Gauke...
Not at all, they can continue to be stubborn fool/ defiant heroes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
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Farage will get his seat in the Commons at the next election as Con vote collapses across the country.Slackbladder said:
He's looking forward the EU elections and more time on the gravy train being rude to the French et al.kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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40+%twistedfirestopper3 said:
Farage will be loving this, it gives him a reason to get up in the morning. His Brexit party could do well. Say what you like about him, and there is a lot to say, but that boy knows his audience.Sunil_Prasannan said:
MEP salary!kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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Do you ever try The Avenue in High Shincliffe? I had a great break there a few years ago. The food was excellent and not expensive. Indeed, on the final bill they forgot some of the things i'd had which would have made it even cheaper if I hadn't pointed it out!eek said:
I took my parents to the Rose Tree in Durham on Saturday for dinner and it was far better than I expected.AndyJS said:
Which pub would you recommend?_Anazina_ said:
Martin is an odious individual and his pubs are absolute holes.CD13 said:Mr Moonbeam,
"Beeb have got the Weatherspoons bloke on. Everyone he has spoken to (i.e. daytime drinkers) wants No Deal, doncha know?"
You can't beat Wetherspoons for a cheap meal and a pint. A man with an eye for business and his finger on the pulse.0 -
This is starting to remind me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where Cleavon Little takes himself hostage.0
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Must be a junior minister. Wiki's already put an end date for her post.Philip_Thompson said:
Who? Didn't know she existed/was in the Cabinet.Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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TICIPMPhilip_Thompson said:
MICIPMIanB2 said:Remarkable that May started the day on the winning side but has managed to manoeuvre herself toward yet another defeat.
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4 ministerial abstentions on Spelman and Gov't lost by 4 !!!!!
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I suspect there is but only by complete accident as an amendment voted by team 1 is voted through by team 2 voting for the actual proposal as amended.Artist said:There's not going to be a majority for any of the options.
Remember no one wants the blame here and if they get the blame they want to point at least half of it at other people...0 -
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That horse has not only bolted, the stable door and most of the wall went with him.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
They are utter fools.0 -
Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.0
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Mr eek,
If Parliament takes control, it means they will ensure we remain. No more referenda allowed. Not sure the Jocks will approve. Still, they can console themselves with the realisation that were they to vote for independence, Parliament would faff around for a couple of years before telling them it was too difficult.
We've been enmeshed for 300 years not 40 after all. I'm sure they would accept their betters' decision.0 -
"Do your kin job"Pulpstar said:Corbyn is sounding very reasonable here.
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So the removal of a threat of a no deal, strengths the hand of the EU rather than the UK, what a bunch of spaffers.
Keeping Barnier guessing for another week would have been preferable.0 -
Here's a list of people who have gone down in my estimation through this process:kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
Nigel Farage
JRM
People who don't understand the difference between the WA and the end state
Labour MPs from Leave constituencies
People who didn't read the section of the WA agreement regarding the Northern Irish border
People who have gone up:
Stephen Lloyd
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I'm guessing the ERG would prefer a real Brexit at a later date rather than a fake one now. That's how I assume a lot of them are thinking, (not my view).Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
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Only starting?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:This is starting to remind me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where Cleavon Little takes himself hostage.
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Surely revocation of article 50 is getting more likely. If theres no deal passed and may believes it would be a disaster I can see her revoking then resigning as PM0
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But is it not somewhat crazy that May said she wanted to stop no deal "now", but because the vote was changed to no deal "not ever", May then had to whip the government FOR no deal. That's fairly bonkers0
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.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.0
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My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters0
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Junior Minister is not Cabinet though surely?kle4 said:
Must be a junior minister. Wiki's already put an end date for her post.Philip_Thompson said:
Who? Didn't know she existed/was in the Cabinet.Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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She's not.Philip_Thompson said:
Who? Didn't know she existed/was in the Cabinet.Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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Sarah Newton was in the cabinet? That's news to me.Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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It's a bit early to be drunk, BJO.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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Clarke now calling out the government on its duplicity0
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You think I believe Parliament is taking control - I don't think they are.CD13 said:Mr eek,
If Parliament takes control, it means they will ensure we remain. No more referenda allowed. Not sure the Jocks will approve. Still, they can console themselves with the realisation that were they to vote for independence, Parliament would faff around for a couple of years before telling them it was too difficult.
We've been enmeshed for 300 years not 40 after all. I'm sure they would accept their betters' decision.
I really don't know if we crash out and if we end up revoking. All I know is that few MPs willingly want to be on the end of the votes that result in the final decision.0 -
Yawn.kjohnw said:My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
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I'm just a crazy optimist...ydoethur said:
Only starting?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:This is starting to remind me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where Cleavon Little takes himself hostage.
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The EU will now have to choose - Brexit or even worse - we stay in for 2 years and cause chaos.
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I just watched the Prime Minister going in to vote for No Deal. I told her it was a disgrace. I hope she is gone by morning She doesn't deserve her office0 -
He was good this evening.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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It's all about party management. She could just about get away with a free vote on a weak motion, but not on the stronger version of it.solarflare said:But is it not somewhat crazy that May said she wanted to stop no deal "now", but because the vote was changed to no deal "not ever", May then had to whip the government FOR no deal. That's fairly bonkers
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May fecks up yet again0
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Problem is Remainers who might have gone for Theresa's deal can now see total victory (remain) within sight, so even if the ERG do come round for vote for her deal there probably still won't be a majority in favour.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
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Though the MV2 would still have fell even if every single ERG member had backed it.ydoethur said:
That horse has not only bolted, the stable door and most of the wall went with him.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
They are utter fools.0 -
off topic - I know there are big issues at play tonght but....
WTF
https://order-order.com/2019/03/13/lord-steel-admits-cyril-smith-confessed/0 -
I've only been to Durham once, when I got told off by the person in charge of the cathedral for trying to take a photo. I hadn't noticed any signs prohibiting photography.eek said:
I took my parents to the Rose Tree in Durham on Saturday for dinner and it was far better than I expected.AndyJS said:
Which pub would you recommend?_Anazina_ said:
Martin is an odious individual and his pubs are absolute holes.CD13 said:Mr Moonbeam,
"Beeb have got the Weatherspoons bloke on. Everyone he has spoken to (i.e. daytime drinkers) wants No Deal, doncha know?"
You can't beat Wetherspoons for a cheap meal and a pint. A man with an eye for business and his finger on the pulse.0 -
Farage going to try and scupper the extension lol0
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SNP's Westminster Leader Ian Blackford says: "We are in a constitutional crisis.
"What we see from the prime minister is a denial of the facts... her deal is dead."
Mr Blackford says he is "delighted" that the House has expressed that under no circumstances it wants a no-deal Brex
He's half right. Yes, May's deal is dead and she's in denial about that, but parliament is just as guilty of denying the facts about what they can and cannot do simply by wishing for it. The SNP, at least, have been admirably direct this whole time.0 -
Really?Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
Tonight's nonsense hasn't changed anything. Tomorrow, I imagine, there will be a substantial vote in favour of seeking an extension to the A50 process but we don't really know a) whether the EU will grant an extension or b) for how long such an extension will be in place.
IF the EU refuses an extension or attaches such conditions as to be unacceptable to May - she has to hold another referendum or revoke for example - than we will be down to MV3 (assuming Bercow accepts it) versus leaving without a Deal and we will see what we will see.
The onus will then be on the opposition MPs to determine whether they want to be part of the coalition taking us to a No Deal exit on 29/3 and all that may or may not flow from that or whether they will support May's Deal and grant her a huge political advantage in terms of the sense of national euphoria and relief which will greet the passing of her Deal (which her supporters would in no way try to exploit for Party political advantage).0 -
There wouldn't have been a majority yesterday if the ERG came around so why should there be in the future?GIN1138 said:
Problem is Remainers who might have gone for Theresa's deal can now see total victory (remain) within sight, so even if the ERG do come round for vote for her deal there probably still won't be a majority in favour.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
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Good try BJO.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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That's one significant end game remainer MPs have been hoping for - block anything and everything, and leave it on her plate.spire2 said:Surely revocation of article 50 is getting more likely. If theres no deal passed and may believes it would be a disaster I can see her revoking then resigning as PM
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I suspect the last time I was in High Shincliffe is 20+ years ago while we still owned a Morris Traveller.ydoethur said:
Do you ever try The Avenue in High Shincliffe? I had a great break there a few years ago. The food was excellent and not expensive. Indeed, on the final bill they forgot some of the things i'd had which would have made it even cheaper if I hadn't pointed it out!eek said:
I took my parents to the Rose Tree in Durham on Saturday for dinner and it was far better than I expected.AndyJS said:
Which pub would you recommend?_Anazina_ said:
Martin is an odious individual and his pubs are absolute holes.CD13 said:Mr Moonbeam,
"Beeb have got the Weatherspoons bloke on. Everyone he has spoken to (i.e. daytime drinkers) wants No Deal, doncha know?"
You can't beat Wetherspoons for a cheap meal and a pint. A man with an eye for business and his finger on the pulse.
We were in Durham as one of the twins was playing in the County Orchestra at Ushaw College and I wanted somewhere to eat that wasn't South Shields (my parent holiday abode) or Darlington (where we live).0 -
I haven't seen that, but if it's true, then Steele should be held to account.Floater said:off topic - I know there are big issues at play tonght but....
WTF
https://order-order.com/2019/03/13/lord-steel-admits-cyril-smith-confessed/0 -
The anti-semite Corbyn will NEVER have any authority.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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Made me laugh anywayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Good try BJO.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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My money is on another weasel worded motion from government tomorrow that members will have to try and amend again.
Edit/Speaker now reading it out.
One off extension to 30th June
Notes that EU likely to require purpose and any longer extension requires the EU elections0 -
Blimey. Paedo cover up in the commonsFloater said:off topic - I know there are big issues at play tonght but....
WTF
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I'm starting to wonder if JRM wants Brexit.
He's clearly not stupid so to remain so sanguine about these votes in the face such obvious ERG armageddon makes me think he's happy to Remain and be an agitator ever.0 -
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£ up 2 cents against the dollar...happy days.,0
