I would have thought that this polling makes it more likely for any Tory MPs on the brink to make the leap.
What makes you say that?
Because it shows they are able to draw support from both main parties, and might be able to pick up more momentum if they get a critical mass of MPs.
The big danger it becomes home to remainers and not a wider church
Having parties split into outright leave and remain parties would seem to be a good idea right now. Certainly they operate like it.
If Article 50 is extended and the Independent Group takes on Farage's new Brexit Party in the European Parliament elections that would be a clear People's Vote v Leave means Leave clash
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
Find it unbelievable all the people saying she should get a second chance. I'd rather a victim of ISIS be given a first chance than give a second chance to anyone who volunteered to fight for ISIS.
@SeanT appeared in the “people you might know” listing on my Facebook feed a while back... he is a friend of a friend... curious, I looked and was delighted to find several images of Mrs T... my admiration and mild jealousy for the author/travel writer grew immensely that day... thankfully I have just checked and the said images have not been subject to the year zero purge of social media...
It surprises me not a whit that SeanT would have pin ups of Mrs Thatcher on his Facebook page.
I would have thought that this polling makes it more likely for any Tory MPs on the brink to make the leap.
It cannot be easy to jump knowing your career is over at the next election unless of course the next election is years away and the new party can cut through. An early election would end their political careers
That would be a good spread bet for the next election. How many of the [X] MPs currently sitting as independents in Parliament will be re-elected?
I think X is currently 17, including Lady Hermon and John Bercow.
Tories down to 2005 levels, Labour down to 1983 levels maybe the new Independent party could break the mould? UKIP and LDs also up on 2017
No it won't. Alternative histories abound and this will be another. Here's one: Suppose on Planet Sanity remainers had voted in GE2017 in really large numbers for....er….the parties that explicitly supported remain (Lib Dem, SNP, PC) instead of voting for parties that explicitly and unequivocally didn't, with, in the case of Labour, its voters voting with exhilarated enthusiasm for a leader with a longer anti EU record than anyone in parliament apart from Dennis Skinner. Then we wouldn't be where we are... would we.
Project Crap, actually. Having got the Leave vote over the line by pretending there's no downside, he aims to get the deal over the line by claiming the alternative is Armageddon. Honesty isn't a Brexiteer trait.
Probably in others but the new Independence group offers an option for centre left Remainers who cannot forgive the LDs for tuition fees or the Coalition years or those in areas where the LDs are weak
Project Crap, actually. Having got the Leave vote over the line by pretending there's no downside, he aims to get the deal over the line by claiming the alternative is Armageddon. Honesty isn't a Brexiteer trait.
I believe that farmers have to go through some form of approval process to export into the EU from outside and this takes several months so if there is no deal then it is correct to say that no UK farmer will be able to export into the EU until they have been approved. By which time many of them will have gone bankrupt (a large percentage of British lamb is exported to the EU, and no approvals will be received in time for this season's exports).
Tories down to 2005 levels, Labour down to 1983 levels maybe the new Independent party could break the mould? UKIP and LDs also up on 2017
No it won't. Alternative histories abound and this will be another. Here's one: Suppose on Planet Sanity remainers had voted in GE2017 in really large numbers for....er….the parties that explicitly supported remain (Lib Dem, SNP, PC) instead of voting for parties that explicitly and unequivocally didn't, with, in the case of Labour, its voters voting with exhilarated enthusiasm for a leader with a longer anti EU record than anyone in parliament apart from Dennis Skinner. Then we wouldn't be where we are... would we.
Then Remainers thought Corbyn would oppose Brexit
Yes but that exciting thought was the precise opposite of a very detailed manifesto commitment. which is my point.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
Back on the Tiggers, despite all the excitement I just don't see how they can build on things very much. Most of the MPs who have left are pretty clear how much they still oppose the conservatives, and while some Tory MPs who might jump do actually oppose the government on many issues and thus that might not be a barrier, that is not a very large group. Immediately you have to hate the Tories if you want most independent group MPs to be on board.
It seems like so long as it only is about Brexit a few might join, but as for a future? It was always hard, but is there any chance?
As officer trainees are (iirc) advised, 10% of your salary is for giving orders, 90% is for making sure they are carried out! You can't stand there and say "it isn't my fault". You're the leader. It's your fault if it rains!
Project Crap, actually. Having got the Leave vote over the line by pretending there's no downside, he aims to get the deal over the line by claiming the alternative is Armageddon. Honesty isn't a Brexiteer trait.
I believe that farmers have to go through some form of approval process to export into the EU from outside and this takes several months so if there is no deal then it is correct to say that no UK farmer will be able to export into the EU until they have been approved. By which time many of them will have gone bankrupt (a large percentage of British lamb is exported to the EU, and no approvals will be received in time for this season's exports).
Which would suggest that these party splits are merely moving the deckchairs into other rooms.
I see that Sean has cleaned up his act. If we are remembering the old Sean, my favourite insult from him was really quite basic - being referred to as Knobajob.
This worked on three levels. It was a pun. It was ridiculously childish. And it was funny.
It’s terrifying. The Home Secretary is claiming the power to decide whether you, me or anyone else with British citizenship can carry on holding it.
They've had the power since 1981. Labour used it also.
So 'claiming' the power is not really an issue, since they have it and have for ages, it's just a matter of whether it should have been done here and how it is decided.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
Yes, there's a risk of an apparently straightfoward case setting a dangerous precedent. There should IMHO be a judicial process for removing citizenship rather than it being on the whim of a politician. There's plenty of examples of laws sold as applying to terrorists, murderers and peadophiles ending up with somewhat more widespread application a few years down the line. It's definitely not allowed to make someone stateless, so she must be a citizen of somewhere else if it's been considered.
I would have thought that this polling makes it more likely for any Tory MPs on the brink to make the leap.
What makes you say that?
He starts from a europhile conclusion and works back to make the latest facts and developments fit it. In this case, the TIGers growing to supplant the DUP and pulling the Conservative Government in an inevitably Remain direction. Perhaps he’s fantasising about them restarting the campaign to join the euro, and winning the argument for that in Parliament too.
So I see the Malthouse Compromise is dead according to reports? Incredible it ever passed muster to begin with. And that the ERG are already ready to reject its replacement. Ah, Brexit in circles. Thank goodness the Tiggers have provided something else to talk about.
I would have thought that this polling makes it more likely for any Tory MPs on the brink to make the leap.
What makes you say that?
He starts from a europhile conclusion and works back to make the latest facts and developments fit it. In this case, the TIGers growing to supplant the DUP and pulling the Conservative Government in an inevitably Remain direction. Perhaps he’s fantasising about them restarting the campaign to join the euro, and winning the argument for that in Parliament too.
@SeanT appeared in the “people you might know” listing on my Facebook feed a while back... he is a friend of a friend... curious, I looked and was delighted to find several images of Mrs T... my admiration and mild jealousy for the author/travel writer grew immensely that day... thankfully I have just checked and the said images have not been subject to the year zero purge of social media...
It surprises me not a whit that SeanT would have pin ups of Mrs Thatcher on his Facebook page.
That'll do very nicely for starters. Apart from the slight fly in the ointment as to how that works under FPTP (i.e. it doesn't).
I wouldn’t call PC + Green sane centre-left and the SNP only are to the extent they run a devolved administration. If their dream of an independent Scotland ever came about it’d blow up their economy.
Tories down to 2005 levels, Labour down to 1983 levels maybe the new Independent party could break the mould? UKIP and LDs also up on 2017
No it won't. Alternative histories abound and this will be another. Here's one: Suppose on Planet Sanity remainers had voted in GE2017 in really large numbers for....er….the parties that explicitly supported remain (Lib Dem, SNP, PC) instead of voting for parties that explicitly and unequivocally didn't, with, in the case of Labour, its voters voting with exhilarated enthusiasm for a leader with a longer anti EU record than anyone in parliament apart from Dennis Skinner. Then we wouldn't be where we are... would we.
That is profoundly humiliating for the Lib Dems. No idea what the Tiggers, actually want, 90%+ would struggle to name more than 1 of them, no party, no organisation, no candidates, but hey, got to be better than those Liberal Democrats, eh?
That'll do very nicely for starters. Apart from the slight fly in the ointment as to how that works under FPTP (i.e. it doesn't).
I wouldn’t call PC + Green sane centre-left and the SNP only are to the extent they run a devolved administration. If their dream of an independent Scotland ever came about it’d blow up their economy.
TIG+LD is fair enough.
Sane is relative. The Greens have their eccentricities but I'd rather be in a party with Caroline Lucas than with JRM, Andrew Bridgen and Chris Grayling, let alone Corbyn, Burgon and Gardiner.
Does anyone know how Others can be at 7% when UKIP, Green and the Nationalists are already included separately?
Did not respond, don't know, mentioned a fictional party, mentioned a non-major party? Iirc there were over 20 parties putting forward candidates in 2017.
I see that Sean has cleaned up his act. If we are remembering the old Sean, my favourite insult from him was really quite basic - being referred to as Knobajob.
This worked on three levels. It was a pun. It was ridiculously childish. And it was funny.
Tell me again - how did this plonker vote in the Referendum?
Michael Gove. So dazzlingly clever he couldn’t even workshop post Leave vote scenarios. Of which our current one was always most likely.
Same with our other PB Leavers.
I have a feeling in my water that Gove will recant of his errors and back Remain/revoke sometime soon, and before the end of March.
If I wanted to know what your water feels like, I'd read one of SeanT's old tweets, particularly the one about the bridal shower and the Thai...oh. it seems to have gone...
Does anyone know how Others can be at 7% when UKIP, Green and the Nationalists are already included separately?
Did not respond, don't know, mentioned a fictional party, mentioned a non-major party? Iirc there were over 20 parties putting forward candidates in 2017.
If did not respond and don’t know were included the shares would surely be much lower?
Does anyone know how Others can be at 7% when UKIP, Green and the Nationalists are already included separately?
Did not respond, don't know, mentioned a fictional party, mentioned a non-major party? Iirc there were over 20 parties putting forward candidates in 2017.
40ish, if you include a few 'X independents'. Certainly over 30.
Fun fact, the SDP stood in 6 seats but got only 469 , and whoever stood for the Ashfield Independents got more votes on his own than 10 BNP candidates put together. I love elections.
That is profoundly humiliating for the Lib Dems. No idea what the Tiggers, actually want, 90%+ would struggle to name more than 1 of them, no party, no organisation, no candidates, but hey, got to be better than those Liberal Democrats, eh?
No baggage.....
People are projecting their own views of what a modern centre-ground party should be like, and an awful lot of people think that their own barmy views are secretly mainstream. "At last a party that will ban cycling!"
I'd wait for some actual policies before promising them a vote, not that I expect them to offer me anything I could support.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it. This is what she deserves.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it.
The 'depends' was on the process being suitable or not, not the decision itself. You'd surely not want it to be simple or easy, so that people far less worthy might fall afoul of such powers? It's the same reason we insist in such a high barrier to conviction of even awful people, since find a bad person guilty on poor evidence and you can find a good person guilty on poor evidence. This decision is probably right, I just hope it is something that cannot be done on a whim.
Does anyone know how Others can be at 7% when UKIP, Green and the Nationalists are already included separately?
Did not respond, don't know, mentioned a fictional party, mentioned a non-major party? Iirc there were over 20 parties putting forward candidates in 2017.
If did not respond and don’t know were included the shares would surely be much lower?
Fair point. I was speculating, or "bullshitting" as it is commonly known.
And an EU border from Carlisle to Berwick on Tweed
But no historical security issues to deal with, unless the Union Bears kick off.
If Scotland is in EU and England is not it may solve a large number of issues for businesses like mine. In fact I may become very rich overnight. As a remainer and unionist I am suddenly seeing the benefit of a hard Brexit and Scottish independence. Lol.
Agreed. It should be extremely difficult to revoke someone’s citizenship without their consent.
Does that include revoking people's EU citizenship without their consent?
You cannot help yourself, can you? Surely European Union citizenship is a consequence of someone's national citizenship, it is not something separate to the national citizenship (by which I mean its a benefit afforded to club members, and yes you lose it when leaving the club, but it was never something which overided the nationality)?
Agreed. It should be extremely difficult to revoke someone’s citizenship without their consent.
Does that include revoking people's EU citizenship without their consent?
I was given EU citizenship without my consent in 1993, as were other EU citizens given the same rights here. I never wanted it and never asked for it, so cry me a river.
Besides which we voted to Leave and end it in 2016 which rather negates your point.
As officer trainees are (iirc) advised, 10% of your salary is for giving orders, 90% is for making sure they are carried out! You can't stand there and say "it isn't my fault". You're the leader. It's your fault if it rains!
But it is going perfectly for jezza, the non-believers are leaving before they have to be purged. And despite a 1/3 of people thinking he is an antisemite and 50% a threat to national security, he is still getting 35-40% in the polls.
Any sign of any new lesser spotted tiggers in the wild?
Agreed. It should be extremely difficult to revoke someone’s citizenship without their consent.
Does that include revoking people's EU citizenship without their consent?
I was given EU citizenship without my consent in 1993, as were other EU citizens given the same rights here. I never wanted it and never asked for it, so cry me a river.
Besides which we voted to Leave and end it in 2016 which rather negates your point.
What cost is it to you for those that want it to retain personal EU citizenship?
Agreed. It should be extremely difficult to revoke someone’s citizenship without their consent.
Does that include revoking people's EU citizenship without their consent?
I was given EU citizenship without my consent in 1993, as were other EU citizens given the same rights here. I never wanted it and never asked for it, so cry me a river.
Besides which we voted to Leave and end it in 2016 which rather negates your point.
No, you and barely 35% of the population voted for it. Why do you advocate stripping it from those of us who want European citizenship? If you don’t want it, fine. But live and let live.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it.
The 'depends' was on the process being suitable or not, not the decision itself. You'd surely not want it to be simple or easy, so that people far less worthy might fall afoul of such powers? It's the same reason we insist in such a high barrier to conviction of even awful people, since find a bad person guilty on poor evidence and you can find a good person guilty on poor evidence. This decision is probably right, I just hope it is something that cannot be done on a whim.
Anyone know what would have happened to a woman who ran away to Germany in 1938 because she admired Hitler. Married an SS man who was employed at say Treblinka came back to Britain with a baby after her husband had been captured in 1945. Said in an interview that she still thought that the Nazis were right and that their victims deserved it? (I know that any Briton who actually took part in the Holocaust would have probably been hanged but what about the wives of such people?)
Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.
ITV News said Ms Begum's mother had received a letter from the Home Office on Tuesday. The letter said Home Secretary Sajid Javid had ordered the move and it had already been processed.
As officer trainees are (iirc) advised, 10% of your salary is for giving orders, 90% is for making sure they are carried out! You can't stand there and say "it isn't my fault". You're the leader. It's your fault if it rains!
...he is still getting 35-40% in the polls...
I don't know how to tell you this, but there have been some developments...
What someone deserves and what the law says might be two different things .
Javid playing to the public gallery outside of the law would be unacceptable . Personally I could care less whether Begum rots in the camp however I don’t want Home Secretary’s setting a precedent which could be used against innocent citizens in the future for dubious reasons.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it.
The 'depends' was on the process being suitable or not, not the decision itself. You'd surely not want it to be simple or easy, so that people far less worthy might fall afoul of such powers? It's the same reason we insist in such a high barrier to conviction of even awful people, since find a bad person guilty on poor evidence and you can find a good person guilty on poor evidence. This decision is probably right, I just hope it is something that cannot be done on a whim.
Anyone know what would have happened to a woman who ran away to Germany in 1938 because she admired Hitler. Married an SS man who was employed at say Treblinka came back to Britain with a baby after her husband had been captured in 1945. Said in an interview that she still thought that the Nazis were right and that their victims deserved it? (I know that any Briton who actually took part in the Holocaust would have probably been hanged but what about the wives of such people?)
Well quite. She is a British citizen so should be tried (and punished, if convicted) here - the rest is utter reactionary tabloid crap. I’m saddened that so many on PB seem to think it right.
Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.
ITV News said Ms Begum's mother had received a letter from the Home Office on Tuesday. The letter said Home Secretary Sajid Javid had ordered the move and it had already been processed.
That is a shocking precedent. Javid has plummeted in my estimations. He is supposed to be running a fucking civilised country not a gammon tabloid circle jerk.
What someone deserves and what the law says might be two different things .
Javid playing to the public gallery outside of the law would be unacceptable . Personally I could care less whether Begum rots in the camp however I don’t want Home Secretary’s setting a precedent which could be used against innocent citizens in the future for dubious reasons.
My understanding is this is far from the first time it had been done in the past few years...it has just been all done a lot more quietly. This has been one of the British approaches, compared to the French who just sent in special forces to kill as many off a hit list as possible before they even got a chance to think about trying to come back.
Indeed but it does not help to attract those who want to leave
They are a dwindling band. Capture Remainers and go for Leave wobblers like SeanT and kle4 later would be my strategy.
For TIG to succeed they have to see beyond brexit and appeal across the centre
Peeling away Remainers who feel lost is the only trick they've got. You think they're going to win any votes in an election by spouting platitudes about how they want to encourage the next generation of entrepreneurs or how what the NHS needs right now is a really good app?
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it.
The 'depends' was on the process being suitable or not, not the decision itself. You'd surely not want it to be simple or easy, so that people far less worthy might fall afoul of such powers? It's the same reason we insist in such a high barrier to conviction of even awful people, since find a bad person guilty on poor evidence and you can find a good person guilty on poor evidence. This decision is probably right, I just hope it is something that cannot be done on a whim.
Anyone know what would have happened to a woman who ran away to Germany in 1938 because she admired Hitler. Married an SS man who was employed at say Treblinka came back to Britain with a baby after her husband had been captured in 1945. Said in an interview that she still thought that the Nazis were right and that their victims deserved it? (I know that any Briton who actually took part in the Holocaust would have probably been hanged but what about the wives of such people?)
You might like to Google "Unity Mitford". Oh those bright young things and their jolly japes...
Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.
ITV News said Ms Begum's mother had received a letter from the Home Office on Tuesday. The letter said Home Secretary Sajid Javid had ordered the move and it had already been processed.
That is a shocking precedent. Javid has plummeted in my estimations. He is supposed to be running a fucking civilised country not a gammon tabloid circle jerk.
I think you will find it isn’t precedent. It has been done a load of times already.
What someone deserves and what the law says might be two different things .
Javid playing to the public gallery outside of the law would be unacceptable . Personally I could care less whether Begum rots in the camp however I don’t want Home Secretary’s setting a precedent which could be used against innocent citizens in the future for dubious reasons.
ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Good!
That kind of depends. As horrible as she no doubt is, and as lame as some of the excuses about whether we let her back in have been, removing citizenship is a major thing to do and I would hope there are very careful procedures and scrutiny of how it is done - whether right in this case or not, I would be wary of the power being too easy to do. I don't recall previous examples, but as others have noted being a dual citizen probably makes it a lot easier, since they are not made stateless.
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it.
The 'depends' was on the process being suitable or not, not the decision itself. You'd surely not want it to be simple or easy, so that people far less worthy might fall afoul of such powers? It's the same reason we insist in such a high barrier to conviction of even awful people, since find a bad person guilty on poor evidence and you can find a good person guilty on poor evidence. This decision is probably right, I just hope it is something that cannot be done on a whim.
Anyone know what would have happened to a woman who ran away to Germany in 1938 because she admired Hitler. Married an SS man who was employed at say Treblinka came back to Britain with a baby after her husband had been captured in 1945. Said in an interview that she still thought that the Nazis were right and that their victims deserved it? (I know that any Briton who actually took part in the Holocaust would have probably been hanged but what about the wives of such people?)
Well quite. She is a British citizen so should be tried (and punished, if convicted) here - the rest is utter reactionary tabloid crap. I’m saddened that so many on PB seem to think it right.
Not just PB,the majority in the country if you go by comments and probably polls.
Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.
ITV News said Ms Begum's mother had received a letter from the Home Office on Tuesday. The letter said Home Secretary Sajid Javid had ordered the move and it had already been processed.
That is a shocking precedent. Javid has plummeted in my estimations. He is supposed to be running a fucking civilised country not a gammon tabloid circle jerk.
Well, it's not a precedent. Last line of the BBC article says we've done this about a hundred times already. Based on your comment, I'm assuming you are against removing her UK nationality regardless of whether she retains another one?
Comments
I think X is currently 17, including Lady Hermon and John Bercow.
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1097819350759817216?s=19
It seems like so long as it only is about Brexit a few might join, but as for a future? It was always hard, but is there any chance?
But, there are laws and tight restrictions on rendering someone stateless.
And as for who to believe, just consider who has repeatedly claimed some helpful move might come from the EU which never appeared?
This worked on three levels. It was a pun. It was ridiculously childish. And it was funny.
Bravo!
He always does that. That’s how his mind works.
He always does that. That’s how his mind works.
And promoted him.
TIG+LD is fair enough.
I'd put it on:
Far Left (Green, Labour): 30%
Centre-Left (SNP, PC): 5%
Centre: (TIG, LD): 19%
Centre-Right (Conservative): 32%
Far Right (UKIP): 6%
https://www.fooddrinkeurope.eu/news/press-release/agri-food-chain-makes-joint-proposals-to-michel-barnier-on-brexit/
Fun fact, the SDP stood in 6 seats but got only 469 , and whoever stood for the Ashfield Independents got more votes on his own than 10 BNP candidates put together. I love elections.
I'd wait for some actual policies before promising them a vote, not that I expect them to offer me anything I could support.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/bernie-sanders-announces-presidential-run-with-vow-to-transform-the-country-and-defeat-trump-a4070666.html
https://twitter.com/slurridge/status/1097650861122224128
Erm, Remainers are already a bloody broad church!
Besides which we voted to Leave and end it in 2016 which rather negates your point.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/brexit-backstop-may-rules-out-malthouse-compromise
Bridgen on C4 news didn't take it well.
Any sign of any new lesser spotted tiggers in the wild?
They are a dwindling band. Capture Remainers and go for Leave wobblers like SeanT and kle4 later would be my strategy.
Married an SS man who was employed at say Treblinka came back to Britain with a baby after her husband had been captured in 1945.
Said in an interview that she still thought that the Nazis were right and that their victims deserved it?
(I know that any Briton who actually took part in the Holocaust would have probably been hanged but what about the wives of such people?)
Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.
ITV News said Ms Begum's mother had received a letter from the Home Office on Tuesday. The letter said Home Secretary Sajid Javid had ordered the move and it had already been processed.
Turns out it was "and join the Tories".
Javid playing to the public gallery outside of the law would be unacceptable . Personally I could care less whether Begum rots in the camp however I don’t want Home Secretary’s setting a precedent which could be used against innocent citizens in the future for dubious reasons.
How are the free healthcare and child education services in Bangladesh?
That is a shocking precedent. Javid has plummeted in my estimations. He is supposed to be running a fucking civilised country not a gammon tabloid circle jerk.
Dear me.
Have you answered my question?
Exactly right.