In fact you cannot delete any aspect of your prior existence. All you have done since birth, and indeed before, is recorded for posterity in the form of light emissions, and every word you have ever uttered lives on as radiation. It is all there in the beams and the waves. When we gaze at a celestial star we see it as it was many moons ago. Not just last Wednesday but long before that. The noise from Big Bang reverberates to this day as the background hum to our everyday activities and will continue to do so until the end of time. Which is in itself determined. It is common knowledge how and when and why all things, including time itself, will cease to be. If you really think about it, which is unwise, this means that the future has already happened and, since the past is captured and alive, both tomorrow and yesterday are with us today. Quite a thought, but what does it tell us about the header topic, the prospects for a general election in 2019? Alas, very little. My view, FWIW, is that it is far more likely that TM will call one, should she fail to get her deal through, than most pundits believe.
You are always true to your beliefs for an election as unlikely as it seems
Fuck Islam. Polls say almost 50% of Europeans think Islam is incompatible with European values. I agree with them. I'm one of the 48%. Unless it swiftly reforms, Islam must depart these shores. I want it gone. It must be slowly squeezed out with bans on burqas, imams, mosques, halal, the works, as is now happening across Europe from Austria to Denmark to Switzerland.
That was when my account was hacked by my wildly vengeful ex-girlfriend who I shan't name out of gallantry.
Fuck Islam. Polls say almost 50% of Europeans think Islam is incompatible with European values. I agree with them. I'm one of the 48%. Unless it swiftly reforms, Islam must depart these shores. I want it gone. It must be slowly squeezed out with bans on burqas, imams, mosques, halal, the works, as is now happening across Europe from Austria to Denmark to Switzerland.
That was when my account was hacked by my wildly vengeful ex-girlfriend who I shan't name out of gallantry.
For all the criticism of Corbyn's response to the creation of the TIG, what would be the response from May and the Conservative Party if five of their MPs left to join the same group?
Would not May claim her door was always open and she was always "willing to listen to colleagues" ?
Incidental fact (ht Dr Thevoz): Since WW2, 69 MPs have switched from one party to another (not including party mergers, withdrawals of the whip, & sitting as an Independent). Only 4 triggered by-elections.
If one cannot completely erase untoward past comments, perhaps best to just repost it all and swamp people with the sheer volume so they cannot focus on any one thing to be offended about?
If May gets her Deal through and the 7 abstain on a VONC then the DUP can no longer blackmail the PM over forcing an early general election unless she abandons her Deal
Fuck Islam. Polls say almost 50% of Europeans think Islam is incompatible with European values. I agree with them. I'm one of the 48%. Unless it swiftly reforms, Islam must depart these shores. I want it gone. It must be slowly squeezed out with bans on burqas, imams, mosques, halal, the works, as is now happening across Europe from Austria to Denmark to Switzerland.
May be @seant could use that privacy delete thing that google does
Need to be quick though - hear it won’t work in a no deal scenario
If one cannot completely erase untoward past comments, perhaps best to just repost it all and swamp people with the sheer volume so they cannot focus on any one thing to be offended about?
If one cannot completely erase untoward past comments, perhaps best to just repost it all and swamp people with the sheer volume so they cannot focus on any one thing to be offended about?
Crikey. Labour aren't just splintering, they are close to dissolving.
Watson’s only still there because he was directly elected by the membership and can’t be sacked by Corbyn. Sadly it looks like only a matter of time before he gets challenged for his position.
Crikey. Labour aren't just splintering, they are close to dissolving.
Watson’s only still there because he was directly elected by the membership and can’t be sacked by Corbyn. Sadly it looks like only a matter of time before he gets challenged for his position.
If one cannot completely erase untoward past comments, perhaps best to just repost it all and swamp people with the sheer volume so they cannot focus on any one thing to be offended about?
Crikey. Labour aren't just splintering, they are close to dissolving.
Watson’s only still there because he was directly elected by the membership and can’t be sacked by Corbyn. Sadly it looks like only a matter of time before he gets challenged for his position.
Sky leading with poll showing TIG higher than Lib Dems (yes - leading story)
Funny.
The Poll asks about "A new centrist party opposed to Brexit". 59 people say they would vote for it (compared with 47 people for the LibDems). Of the 59 people, 1 people previously voted Tory, 25 Labour and 10 LibDem.
Note these are people not percentages. A tiny sample. Many of the 59 people probably have not heard of TIG but fancy a centrist party opposed to Brexit.
Hmm, they were loyal Labour MPs obeying the party whip, weren't they? So it's a bit of a strange line of attack, given that Labour wants to portray them as mavericks.
Crikey. Labour aren't just splintering, they are close to dissolving.
Watson’s only still there because he was directly elected by the membership and can’t be sacked by Corbyn. Sadly it looks like only a matter of time before he gets challenged for his position.
Does he have to accept the challenge?
It’s been a while since we went through Labour Party leadership rules on here, but from memory the process is the same for the deputy leader as for the leader - it needs to start with a vote of no confidence in him from the PLP, after which nominations are opened up and he is automatically on the ballot that goes to the membership. The problem he has is if the PLP get somewhat smaller and less inclined to back him over time, due to defections etc.
Alternatively, he gets throughly sick of being ignored and undermined by everyone else around him, and chooses to walk. Would be a massive coup for the TIG group if they could get him to resign the whip from a leadership position.
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Hmm, they were loyal Labour MPs obeying the party whip, weren't they? So it's a bit of a strange line of attack, given that Labour wants to portray them as mavericks.
Not sure it's an attack, as such, but I guess that is probably the answer
Crikey. Labour aren't just splintering, they are close to dissolving.
I think it's been pointed out that the SDP split in 1981 was largely a difference in opinion, whereas this split is largely a difference in morality. The latter is far more dangerous.
Yes, the same people arguing we'll have no food on the shelves are also arguing that we'll be unable to export it. I think I might see a simple solution to that problem...
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
It's it really just a variant of the argument that MPs represent all of the people, not just those who voted for them or for a particular policy?
Yes, the same people arguing we'll have no food on the shelves are also arguing that we'll be unable to export it. I think I might see a simple solution to that problem...
Yes, we can expect creative cookery programmes on the TV with ideas about how you can substitute offal for tomatoes and whelks for strawberries.
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
I have a lot of time for Major, and I've been persuaded away from Leave toward remain because of how incompetently things have been handled, but at times he really lets his remain fanaticism get away from him.
@SeanT appeared in the “people you might know” listing on my Facebook feed a while back... he is a friend of a friend... curious, I looked and was delighted to find several images of Mrs T... my admiration and mild jealousy for the author/travel writer grew immensely that day... thankfully I have just checked and the said images have not been subject to the year zero purge of social media...
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
It's it really just a variant of the argument that MPs represent all of the people, not just those who voted for them or for a particular policy?
Except the referendum wasn’t about electing representatives.
In living memory of the Holocaust, a Jewish MP has been driven out of the Labour party by anti-Semites whose grip on the institution is total and irreversible. That last sentence stirs a sulphurous nausea and, 1,255 days after the Corbyn disaster began, still sounds too horrific to be true — and yet it is. The decent who remain imagine this stain will be scrubbed away one day, under a new leader, but it will not because it cannot.
It would be nice to think that this really is the beginning of the end for the horrendous, toxic Labour Party, and that something palatable will come along to replace it. But that would be far too easy, wouldn't it?
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
What a stupid comment to make. It undermines the rest of his message.
Yes, the same people arguing we'll have no food on the shelves are also arguing that we'll be unable to export it. I think I might see a simple solution to that problem...
Yes, we can expect creative cookery programmes on the TV with ideas about how you can substitute offal for tomatoes and whelks for strawberries.
Sky leading with poll showing TIG higher than Lib Dems (yes - leading story)
Funny.
The Poll asks about "A new centrist party opposed to Brexit". 59 people say they would vote for it (compared with 47 people for the LibDems). Of the 59 people, 1 people previously voted Tory, 25 Labour and 10 LibDem.
Note these are people not percentages. A tiny sample. Many of the 59 people probably have not heard of TIG but fancy a centrist party opposed to Brexit.
Sounds like Tory Christmas come early if it plays out like that
That is profoundly humiliating for the Lib Dems. No idea what the Tiggers, actually want, 90%+ would struggle to name more than 1 of them, no party, no organisation, no candidates, but hey, got to be better than those Liberal Democrats, eh?
Yes, the same people arguing we'll have no food on the shelves are also arguing that we'll be unable to export it. I think I might see a simple solution to that problem...
What terrifies me is the possibilty that that post is not tongue-in-cheek.
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
It's it really just a variant of the argument that MPs represent all of the people, not just those who voted for them or for a particular policy?
No it isn't - the context of his views are very clear, he is implying that 63% do not want Brexit because that many did not vote for it. It's unworthy of him, particularly when there are pleny of good arguments to use, so why he used a shit, and dishonest one, first up I do not know.
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
Well quite. It is rather AC Grayling-lite, isn't it?
I suppose the best that can be said is that at least Major managed not to count all the children and babies as fanatical Remainers as well.
Tories down to 2005 levels, Labour down to 1983 levels maybe the new Independent party could break the mould? UKIP and LDs also up on 2017
No it won't. Alternative histories abound and this will be another. Here's one: Suppose on Planet Sanity remainers had voted in GE2017 in really large numbers for....er….the parties that explicitly supported remain (Lib Dem, SNP, PC) instead of voting for parties that explicitly and unequivocally didn't, with, in the case of Labour, its voters voting with exhilarated enthusiasm for a leader with a longer anti EU record than anyone in parliament apart from Dennis Skinner. Then we wouldn't be where we are... would we.
Yes, the same people arguing we'll have no food on the shelves are also arguing that we'll be unable to export it. I think I might see a simple solution to that problem...
What terrifies me is the possibilty that that post is not tongue-in-cheek.
To be fair, I expect the shops in Dubai will be stocked just fine.
Yes, the same people arguing we'll have no food on the shelves are also arguing that we'll be unable to export it. I think I might see a simple solution to that problem...
What terrifies me is the possibilty that that post is not tongue-in-cheek.
To be fair, I expect the shops in Dubai will be stocked just fine.
I've been quite consistent in saying that the biggest problem is going to be with food exports from the UK, as they'll be banned at the first sign of trouble with imports.
I've already a freezer full of Waitrose finest bacon, should be enough to last a couple of months before I have to get the Danish crap instead.
I would have thought that this polling makes it more likely for any Tory MPs on the brink to make the leap.
It cannot be easy to jump knowing your career is over at the next election unless of course the next election is years away and the new party can cut through. An early election would end their political careers
Worth remembering that at one point during late 1981 and early 1982 the SDP/Liberals had a significant opinion poll lead including one Gallup poll that put them on 50% with Con and Lab on 23% each.
Sure, but it's not the end for the Independent Group that I'm interested in, it's whether they even get a proper beginning or not. Good polling might help with that.
He has really undermined himself by going for the 63% line first up in my opinion. No you cannot ignore non voters either, but he's implying that those non voters will all be against the thing he wants them to be against.
It seems so open to the counter argument that more than 63% didn’t vote to Remain
It's it really just a variant of the argument that MPs represent all of the people, not just those who voted for them or for a particular policy?
I don’t think so, because MP’s are often (usually) elected with a minority of the votes cast, so you could honestly say ‘what about the 63% who didn’t vote for them’ if an MP were elected with 37% of the vote.
This is an attempt to make something that won a majority of votes appear a minority view, which is only true if you allocate non voters arbitrarily (ie its not demonstrably true)
Sky leading with poll showing TIG higher than Lib Dems (yes - leading story)
Funny.
The Poll asks about "A new centrist party opposed to Brexit". 59 people say they would vote for it (compared with 47 people for the LibDems). Of the 59 people, 1 people previously voted Tory, 25 Labour and 10 LibDem.
Note these are people not percentages. A tiny sample. Many of the 59 people probably have not heard of TIG but fancy a centrist party opposed to Brexit.
Sounds like Tory Christmas come early if it plays out like that
Sorry Pulpstar. I mangled that post. I was referring to the Survation poll not the new Skydata one and there was a typo that I was too late to edit.
Of the 59 people, 16 people previously voted Tory, 25 Labour and 10 LibDem. Makes a difference!
Project Crap, actually. Having got the Leave vote over the line by pretending there's no downside, he aims to get the deal over the line by claiming the alternative is Armageddon. Honesty isn't a Brexiteer trait.
I would have thought that this polling makes it more likely for any Tory MPs on the brink to make the leap.
What makes you say that?
Presumably because If it looks like a new grouping would command a reasonable amount of support it encourages more to consider jumping, because it would mean some level of Tory support is going to the potential new group making it less of a risk, and because the risk of letting Corbyn in would look lower.
Still probably career ending, but a decent start would give a new group a chance to make a big splash at least.
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https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/6934881134
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/jordan-belfort-on-how-to-sell-anything-even-a-brexit-deal-a4070561.html
34% labour are anti semitic
35% Corbyn is anti semitic
Need to be quick though - hear it won’t work in a no deal scenario
...WHAT?!
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1097920695026225153
The Poll asks about "A new centrist party opposed to Brexit". 59 people say they would vote for it (compared with 47 people for the LibDems). Of the 59 people, 1 people previously voted Tory, 25 Labour and 10 LibDem.
Note these are people not percentages. A tiny sample. Many of the 59 people probably have not heard of TIG but fancy a centrist party opposed to Brexit.
Alternatively, he gets throughly sick of being ignored and undermined by everyone else around him, and chooses to walk. Would be a massive coup for the TIG group if they could get him to resign the whip from a leadership position.
We know what happened on the end...
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-1979-1983
Guess he's come full circle...
Tory core vote: 34%
Labour core vote: 23%
Other: 43% It would be nice to think that this really is the beginning of the end for the horrendous, toxic Labour Party, and that something palatable will come along to replace it. But that would be far too easy, wouldn't it?
Frankly, it is just dishonest
I suppose the best that can be said is that at least Major managed not to count all the children and babies as fanatical Remainers as well.
Same with our other PB Leavers.
https://twitter.com/mattsmithetc/status/1097870034582601732
Labour on sub-30.
gosh.
did not see that coming.
https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/1097925130272075777?s=19
I've already a freezer full of Waitrose finest bacon, should be enough to last a couple of months before I have to get the Danish crap instead.
I don’t think so, because MP’s are often (usually) elected with a minority of the votes cast, so you could honestly say ‘what about the 63% who didn’t vote for them’ if an MP were elected with 37% of the vote.
This is an attempt to make something that won a majority of votes appear a minority view, which is only true if you allocate non voters arbitrarily (ie its not demonstrably true)
Of the 59 people, 16 people previously voted Tory, 25 Labour and 10 LibDem. Makes a difference!
Here are the raw figures
https://www.survation.com/survation-on-behalf-of-daily-mail-final-tables/
Table 12. Column AC
Still probably career ending, but a decent start would give a new group a chance to make a big splash at least.
That'll do very nicely for starters. Apart from the slight fly in the ointment as to how that works under FPTP (i.e. it doesn't).