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That gives a whole new meaning to "owning the Libs".kle4 said:
Nothing new in that. Not to be too mean, but a certain ex Lab MP on here once referred to LDs voting LD as a betrayal in a theoretical by-election because it took votes which, of course, would only have gone Labour.IanB2 said:
It's the blind assumption that the potential voters for the new party would all otherwise have voted Labour that is so arrogant and complacent.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1097576499790708736
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
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They would more likely join the Lib Dems who could get them reelected in their constituencies Incidentally, Royston is not in Heidi Allen's patch.Sean_F said:kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.0 -
Notice Royston corrected to Bassingbourn, which is correct.Fenman said:
They would more likely join the Lib Dems who could get them reelected in their constituencies Incidentally, Royston is not in Heidi Allen's patch.Sean_F said:kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.0 -
Mea culpaFenman said:
Notice Royston corrected to Bassingbourn, which is correct.Fenman said:
They would more likely join the Lib Dems who could get them reelected in their constituencies Incidentally, Royston is not in Heidi Allen's patch.Sean_F said:kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
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Some very angry workers walking out of the Honda factory. They seem to be blaming the government. Must be because they gave them a referendum.0
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So would Cambourne.Fenman said:
Notice Royston corrected to Bassingbourn, which is correct.Fenman said:
They would more likely join the Lib Dems who could get them reelected in their constituencies Incidentally, Royston is not in Heidi Allen's patch.Sean_F said:kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Shame I;m currently enjoying the wonders of Burnley ...0 -
Derek Hatton is millionaire property speculator. I don't think low tax people have anything to worry about from him. At least Blair pretends to act in the public service. And he is a lot more in tune with the Labour Party on Brexit, compared with Corbyn whose policy is actually Tory.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
It's all very Animal Farm.0 -
Significant move in Year of next GE market today.
However 2019 has remained steady at 2.7.
The move is 2020 in (to 4.5) and 2022 out (to 3.5).
All four possible years are now rated as having a significant chance - with 2021 the outsider at 7.4.0 -
I wish to point out that my father has been called Tigger most of his life (to the extent that most people in the City don’t recognise his real name)._Anazina_ said:
Indeed. As in kipper.kle4 said:
Well, pronouncing it 'Tye Jers' just seems wrong, so the extra G is added to match the easier pronunciation.Endillion said:
The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
Wait, where's the second G coming from?
Otherwise they’d be the Tigers! Roar!!
It is very confusing reading all these posts.., and @kle4 you should wash your mouth out with soap!0 -
I thought he lost all his money from property?FF43 said:
Derek Hatton is millionaire property speculator. I don't think low tax people have anything to worry about from him. At least Blair pretends to act in the public service. And he is a lot more in tune with the Labour Party on Brexit, compared with Corbyn whose policy is actually Tory.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
It's all very Animal Farm.0 -
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If you repeatedly shout f off and join the Tories, then maybe they might. Or at least sit in the middle.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Owen should be delighted. The cleansing has begun and no need for deselection processes and tedious stuff like CLP votes.0 -
So if there was a GE, these defectors could not stand for Labour right?0
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Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?0
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I was having lunch in Italy today - my companion mentioned that Fiat’s sales were down 26% this yearglw said:
Quiet probably nothing at all. The car industry is going to change radically as automation and electric vehicles transform the industry. I expect that we will see major companies go to the wall, much consolidation, and new entrants eating up market share. It's going to be a bit like what the microprocessor did to the computer industry, a lot of very large mainframe companies disappeared when they couldn't survive the transition.JosiasJessop said:On the other big news of the day, what can the government do to help the people at Honda and Swindon in general wrt the medium- and long-term future?
(They have chunky diesel business)
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Not sure Ken will agree with Anna's stance on this, if true, which I sceptical of.Scott_P said:0 -
On Brexit? No. So don't worry about it.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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Whilst I don't feel "betrayed" or whatever by these MPs leaving, I don't get how people can be surprised at Owen Jones (and other Labour supporters) criticising the new party and countering some of their arguments.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Like....this is politics. The defectors have chosen to have the same status vis-a-vis Labour as the Tories, Greens, Lib Dems et al. -- they've chosen to be Labour's political opponents. So why would Labour supporters be treating them any differently than they treat other political opponents?0 -
They announced after a year long scientific study that Jaffa cakes are definitely not biscuits. Other than that, not much.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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The wonderful thing about Tiggers_Anazina_ said:The big news today is that my coined moniker of Tiggers has been enthusiastically adopted, right here on PB. The correct styling is Tiggers, as in the plural of the famous Pooh character, and not TIGgers, nor any other awkward formulation.
Bounce!
Is Tiggers are wonderful things.....
They're Corbyn-bouncing
Corbyn-trouncing
Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun!0 -
The Independent Group isn't a bad name. Sounds corporate. People are pissed off with political parties0
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VoxPops and radio call ins mean sod all.Sean_F said:kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.0 -
Nothing much, though the name of Star Wars 9 is imminent.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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There is toxic groundswell of loathing for Uncle Ben.dyedwoolie said:
They even hate Gentle Ben. The baskets_Anazina_ said:_Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And Mr Benn._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
Star Wars 9 - it isn’t as shit as the hans solo movie, we promise!murali_s said:
Nothing much, though the name of Star Wars 9 is imminent.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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Because ultimately they have the same vision of a fair and just society, no matter what Owen Jones might say.Danny565 said:
Whilst I don't feel "betrayed" or whatever by these MPs leaving, I don't get how people can be surprised at Owen Jones (and other Labour supporters) criticising the new party and countering some of their arguments.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Like....this is politics. Why would Labour supporters be treating defectors with kid gloves, when they're (presumably) going to be standing against Labour in future elections?
Just without the agression, racism, dishonesty, and biggotry currently associated with the Labour Party.0 -
I owe Theresa May an apology by the way. Absent a resignation before the end of the week she will indeed have been PM longer than Spencer Percival. Gordon Brown next in her sights.0
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As long as pornstar Ben Dover has a home there all is good_Anazina_ said:
There is toxic groundswell of loathing for Uncle Ben.dyedwoolie said:
They even hate Gentle Ben. The baskets_Anazina_ said:_Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And Mr Benn._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
Beware Wollaston joining you, guys. She'll sign up for about a fortnight, then depart in a really, really acromonious Twitter-spat......rottenborough said:
Not sure Ken will agree with Anna's stance on this, if true, which I sceptical of.Scott_P said:0 -
There was a splendid threader on SCOTUSTheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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It's a bit much to shout and scream and stamp their feet and say these people are traitors who should leave Labour - and then shout and scream and stamp their feet and say these people are destroying Labour's prospects of winning when they actually do what you ask.Danny565 said:
Whilst I don't feel "betrayed" or whatever by these MPs leaving, I don't get how people can be surprised at Owen Jones (and other Labour supporters) criticising the new party and countering some of their arguments.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Like....this is politics. The defectors have chosen to have the same status vis-a-vis Labour as the Tories, Greens, Lib Dems et al. -- they've chosen to be Labour's political opponents. So why would Labour supporters be treating them any differently than they treat other political opponents?
It just makes them look stupid. Admittedly in the case of Owen Jones this isn't very hard as he is stupid.0 -
Derek Hatton FFS.0
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I'll settle for it not being as shit as The Last Jedi.FrancisUrquhart said:
Star Wars 9 - it isn’t as shit as the hans solo movie, we promise!murali_s said:
Nothing much, though the name of Star Wars 9 is imminent.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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But, nonetheless, they've become Labour's opponents, through their own choice. The idea that they can make that choice, yet should still be entitled to special treatment from the organisation that they're going to be directly competing against, is bizarre.Gallowgate said:
Because ultimately they have the same vision of a fair and just society, no matter what Owen Jones might say.Danny565 said:
Whilst I don't feel "betrayed" or whatever by these MPs leaving, I don't get how people can be surprised at Owen Jones (and other Labour supporters) criticising the new party and countering some of their arguments.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Like....this is politics. Why would Labour supporters be treating defectors with kid gloves, when they're (presumably) going to be standing against Labour in future elections?
Just without the agression, racism, dishonesty, and biggotry currently associated with the Labour Party.
(In fact, one could say there's similarities between them and diehard Brexiteers, who still think Britain should leave the EU AND that it's outrageous that the EU aren't agreeing to give us benefits of EU membership.)0 -
You are my Solksjaer - lol0
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https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1097590308005650433Jonathan said:Derek Hatton FFS.
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You missed a blinding thread on AV.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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7 MPs for Degsy? Who is in charge of the Labour Swap Shop?kle4 said:
Seems like a reasonable response to me - if the leadership has indeed been operating on the assumption that most remainers will go nowhere no matter what they do, and nor will most moderates, it may as well test that out properly. They might still be right.Scott_P said:
I've got a Buckeroo. I'm looking for a Midlands MP.....0 -
A multimillionaire property developer with a shady past, who made a vast fortune for himself while he racked up millions in debt for Liverpool and sacked all public sector workers by taxi as a publicity stunt.Jonathan said:Derek Hatton FFS.
Welcome to the world of Jeremy Corbyn. You have been warned.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-socialist-firebrand-derek-hatton-screwed-liverpool-just-as-much-as-margaret-thatcher-did-8575030.html0 -
Centre-left party - I think they could be done by the advertising standards authority if they try to claim that one!rottenborough said:0 -
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:0 -
Labour have been taken over by entryists. This is the beginning of an attempt to take the party back. Why should Corbyn and co feel betrayed?Danny565 said:
Whilst I don't feel "betrayed" or whatever by these MPs leaving, I don't get how people can be surprised at Owen Jones (and other Labour supporters) criticising the new party and countering some of their arguments.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Like....this is politics. The defectors have chosen to have the same status vis-a-vis Labour as the Tories, Greens, Lib Dems et al. -- they've chosen to be Labour's political opponents. So why would Labour supporters be treating them any differently than they treat other political opponents?0 -
Richard Harrington I assume from wikipedia. Never heard of him.ydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:0 -
MarqueeMark said:
7 MPs for Degsy? Who is in charge of the Labour Swap Shop?kle4 said:
Seems like a reasonable response to me - if the leadership has indeed been operating on the assumption that most remainers will go nowhere no matter what they do, and nor will most moderates, it may as well test that out properly. They might still be right.Scott_P said:
I've got a Buckeroo. I'm looking for a Midlands MP.....
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Can't help feeling splits and rumours of splits is yet more displacement activity by our political class.
The fact is that it is 938 hours to Brexit, and we still don't have a bloody clue what our political situation will be, the tariff schedule we will trade on, or what the status of Northern Ireland will be.0 -
Supreme Court ruled that Die Hard is a Christmas movie.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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Enemies of the People!MarqueeMark said:
Supreme Court ruled that Die Hard is a Christmas movie.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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Pineapple has been discovered on a pizza at a buffet for a Labour party fundraising event.TheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
Seven MPs have left the party in disgust and there could be more to follow.0 -
Is Galloway back yet ?0
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He was at the centre of the massive 8pm news embargo last week about mogg and co. Ut was hinted at the time it might make more sense in time......kle4 said:
Richard Harrington I assume from wikipedia. Never heard of him.ydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:0 -
Can't help but feel the Tiggers missed an opportunity to pick a name straight out of the first-episode-of-The-Apprentice school of shite names.
Winners?
The A-Team?
Apex?
Excel?
The Good Guys?
We Hate Labour?0 -
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:0 -
The 7 should brand as Veritas and recruit Kilroy0
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@GreenHeron:
The events of this morning have reinforced what I have been thinking for some time - that despite the cchaos that has been the government in recent times, Theresa May could end up in an unbelievably strong position in a couple of months.
Furthermore, as someone who believes that a deal is by far the best (or least worst) outcome, I feel that May is finally going about this the right way. I have tried to "war game" her strategy and have concluded the following:
1. Her ultimate goal is to put a deal to parliament with a compromise on the backstop. Thanks to the Brady amendment, she knows that this would have parliamentary backing and she is therefore able to tell the EU in clear terms what they need to do.
Agreed
2. As can be seen from the EU reaction to the prospect of No Deal in recent weeks, putting forward No Deal as the only alternative gives the EU incentive to negotiate in a collaborative manner.
Disagree. The EU thinks talk of No Deal lacks seriousness. They have less incentive to compromise, bit more.
3. Even in the event that she is unable to gain any kind of concession from the EU, the Spelman Amendment shows that there is a parliamentary majority against No Deal, so if she were to present any deal to parliament at the last minute with No Deal as the only alternative then she is also likely to win.
Possibly. The risk is that we crash out anyway, not least by misjudging the EU's willingness to compromise. It's quite a trick to go from the full on No Deal rhetoric to saying, we never meant it. Dangerous if you try think No Deal is bad.
4. While an extension to pass various bills may be required once a deal is agreed, an extension to negotiate a deal is both pointless (as we are only arguing one detail) and counterproductive, as unless she gets a full concession from the EU she needs the time pressure to get her deal through.
Same answer as 3.
5. The above only works if No Deal is the alternative position. Removing No Deal removes all incentive for the EU to negotiate collaboratively and allows MPs hoping to remain to vote it down.
Disagree with the first part about the EU. Switching Remain MPs possibly.
6. If all of the above fails the EU is sure to grant an extension in order for both sides to avoid No Deal. I do not think for a minute that May is happy to allow No Deal to happen and may be forced down the referendum route.
Possible, but massively risky.
For those reasons, so long as she sticks to her negotiating principles, I expect a deal to be passed, which while flawed, is already seen as by far the least worst option in polls. A deal will, I expect, keep the tory party together while the labour party is hopelessly split.
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With great hatred comes great irresponsibility..._Anazina_ said:
There is toxic groundswell of loathing for Uncle Ben.dyedwoolie said:
They even hate Gentle Ben. The baskets_Anazina_ said:_Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And Mr Benn._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
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More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
He's not the Jezziah, he's a very naughty boy?solarflare said:Can't help but feel the Tiggers missed an opportunity to pick a name straight out of the first-episode-of-The-Apprentice school of shite names.
Winners?
The A-Team?
Apex?
Excel?
The Good Guys?
We Hate Labour?
Or would Terry Jones cause trouble?0 -
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Corbyn. And he could vote against party position out of 'principle'ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
WTF is #GTTO?rottenborough said:twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1097591366450860032
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Get The Tories Out I assume...FrancisUrquhart said:
WTF is #GTTO?rottenborough said:twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1097591366450860032
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Before you know it, ken will be back....and the old gang will all be back together again.Pulpstar said:Is Galloway back yet ?
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I see JC is not even attempting to reconcile with the splitters.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1097448030498971648
reads like 'they left, I don't care about it but we're doing this'
it isn't offering much to the supposed waverers who are waiting to see what happens with the PV motion0 -
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By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
Netflix cancelled The Punisher and Jessica JonesTheScreamingEagles said:Been on a break in Scotland for the last four days and not been following the news, have I missed anything?
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Get The Tories OutFrancisUrquhart said:
WTF is #GTTO?rottenborough said:twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1097591366450860032
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There will be no c***s on display as Corbyn and Macdonnell will be in hiding.Philip_Thompson said:
Although come to think of it that weakens the Game of Thrones analogy.0 -
More likely than the PG other definition which was the first result I came across.Gallowgate said:
Get The Tories Out I assume...FrancisUrquhart said:
WTF is #GTTO?rottenborough said:twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1097591366450860032
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Remembering that the Labour lot originally planned to launch last Thursday, it certainly does.dyedwoolie said:
He was at the centre of the massive 8pm news embargo last week about mogg and co. Ut was hinted at the time it might make more sense in time......kle4 said:
Richard Harrington I assume from wikipedia. Never heard of him.ydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:0 -
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
Great British Bake Off...wait a minute.FrancisUrquhart said:
WTF is #GTTO?rottenborough said:twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1097591366450860032
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People who put hashtags in their social media names = people who eat pineapple pizzas washed down with boxed wine.0
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#PWEPPWDWBW ? Not very catchy.FrancisUrquhart said:People who put hashtags in their social media names = people who eat pineapple pizzas washed down with boxed wine.
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That does beg the question, if a number of Tories left and joined this new grouping how would they vote in a VoNC? Surely TIG are not ready for an election at this point.justin124 said:
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
Well, if they are independents they can vote how they like. That's sort of the point.spudgfsh said:
That does beg the question, if a number of Tories left and joined this new grouping how would they vote in a VoNC? Surely TIG are not ready for an election at this point.justin124 said:
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.
My guess is they would abstain.0 -
It asks the question, for sure. If they all abstain, the government survives.spudgfsh said:
That does beg the question, if a number of Tories left and joined this new grouping how would they vote in a VoNC? Surely TIG are not ready for an election at this point.justin124 said:
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
#TWATS for short.IanB2 said:
#PWEPPWDWBW ? Not very catchy.FrancisUrquhart said:People who put hashtags in their social media names = people who eat pineapple pizzas washed down with boxed wine.
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Not sure that Tory independents would vote No Confidence, as they would be pretty likely to lose their seats in any GE.justin124 said:
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
It would be difficult for them not to vote for a No Confidence Motion. Labour could effectively call them Tory stooges were they to do otherwise. They would be in much the same position as the SNP who - in reality - have no choice.spudgfsh said:
That does beg the question, if a number of Tories left and joined this new grouping how would they vote in a VoNC? Surely TIG are not ready for an election at this point.justin124 said:
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.0 -
but politically could the ex-labour MPs consider propping up a Tory government (even if they are claiming to be outside the tribal politics).IanB2 said:
It asks the question, for sure. If they all abstain, the government survives.spudgfsh said:
That does beg the question, if a number of Tories left and joined this new grouping how would they vote in a VoNC? Surely TIG are not ready for an election at this point.justin124 said:
I meant defect to The Independent Group - which is something of a contradiction in terms! If it happens, I imagine they would in future sit on the Opposition Benches - and we would be getting close to the point where the DUP no longer held the balance.ydoethur said:
By 'defect' you must mean 'resign the whip and sit as independents,' because to defect there would have to be a party they are joining.justin124 said:
Maybe so - though according to the Telegraph four other Tory MPs are poised to defect.ydoethur said:
More 'what MP?' than 'MP for Watford' as far as I am concerned I fear.justin124 said:
MP for Watford - Junior Ministerydoethur said:
The only Harrington I know is a professional golfer, and I don't think you mean him given he's Irish. Who are you talking about?justin124 said:
This group need a big name defection or they're screwed, but I don't see them getting it from either side.
on top of that most of the current seven would need to keep a substantial amount of their current vote to win at an election. one of the seats could easily go Tory with a vote split between TIG and Labour.0
