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The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
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Well, pronouncing it 'Tye Jers' just seems wrong, so the extra G is added to match the easier pronunciation.Endillion said:
The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
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Any MPs being oddly silent today? If someone contemplated it but decided to stay put what pushes them over the edge now?0
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And what on earth was wrong with "tigers??"kle4 said:
Well, pronouncing it 'Tye Jers' just seems wrong, so the extra G is added to match the easier pronunciation.Endillion said:
The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
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A kinder, gentler politics.Wulfrun_Phil said:
TBH I think you would be glad to see the back of about 80% of the current PLP.TheJezziah said:Glad to see the back of the likes of Gapes, Leslie and Smith.
Good to see Angela doing well as a spokesperson for them on their opening day as well, would have been a toss up between her and Gapes for me but I think she gave a pretty fair representation of the party.0 -
That's an easy one - they haven't earned such a cool nickname yet. The Winner the Pooh reference will be more appropriate until they hit true success.Endillion said:
And what on earth was wrong with "tigers??"kle4 said:
Well, pronouncing it 'Tye Jers' just seems wrong, so the extra G is added to match the easier pronunciation.Endillion said:
The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
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The problem is if one of them has one, that puts pressures on the others to have one too, and that in turn raises the level of courage they'd need if they want to attract more defectors.tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
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Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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What utter bollocks.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/Ominous23/status/1097540203529584640
Only a matter of time surely, now the group has become institutionally racist not many supporters will want to be tarnished with the same brush.0 -
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump. They love the campaigning, but not the responsibilities of office.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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He's probably got jam making to do...dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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If they were smart they would have kept 2 or 3 people back so that they can announce in the coming days and keep the news cycle well fed.Andrew said:Dunno if anyone posted already:
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUK/status/1097565159168499712
Not sure if that points towards a total damp squib, or merely a lot more potentials to jump ship in the coming weeks (and a steady drip might be quite dangerous).0 -
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
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All people like your good self will do is push more and more people out of the party. Instead of being a smart arse you would do better to heed Watson's words and consider addressing the anti-semitism and Brexit duplicity that is turning people away from the party.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/Ominous23/status/1097540203529584640
Only a matter of time surely, now the group has become institutionally racist not many supporters will want to be tarnished with the same brush.0 -
He focuses his words and actions on the membership, not the MPs. It is they who made him, and those he needs to see him as a leader. The MPs he seems to have abandoned as a lost cause. They broadly do what he wants anyway.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership.
Not a sensible strategy perhaps, he does need his MPs after all, but that seems to be the way he sees it generally.0 -
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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Wonder if when he becomes PM he will create a Hostile Environment for Jews and deport a bunch of them for not having their papers in order?MikeSmithson said:Meanwhile LAB continues to be led by an anti-semite
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He does care.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Its just he is self-aware to know if he came out and said "good riddance, got rid of you without needing a brutal deselection, now piss off and take some more Tory Scum with you so we can continue to remake our real Labour Party" that it might not go down too well.0 -
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
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That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.FrancisUrquhart said:
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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I imagine that's the problem. He probably struggled to get to the end of his papers, while Blair and Cameron likely signed the dotted lines without reading it all.numbertwelve said:
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.FrancisUrquhart said:
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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On topic, if a crunch point has been identified for Feb 27th for a number of others, that's probably a sign there won't be any further defections dripping out.0
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he was far to busy plotting to make sure any potential leadership contenders left the party/were marginalised. Dreadful man, appalling PM.numbertwelve said:
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.FrancisUrquhart said:
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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Wouldn't know when to not get involved. Micro-managernumbertwelve said:
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.FrancisUrquhart said:
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
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Ah, thanks to you and everyone else who replied.malcolmg said:
You are misremembering , Basingstoke and North Harbour were the main sites along with Hursley LabJosiasJessop said:
Thanks. Am I misremembering, or did IBM have a massive office complex to the south of the city? If so, is that still there?ralphmalph said:
In general Swindon will be fine. It has a good mix of office Jobs, Nationwide, Intel, etc and manufacturing BMW Pressing plant, Raychem, etc. It also has good transport links. Currently unemployment is half the national average.JosiasJessop said:On the other big news of the day, what can the government do to help the people at Honda and Swindon in general wrt the medium- and long-term future?
All 3 Basingstoke offices are gone as has most of North Harbour, just a Datacentre left I think , Havant manufacturing plant went a long time ago.
Only Hursley left and that because IBM Corp own it..
Looking at a map, I'm pretty sure I'm thinking about Intel's campus. It's an easy mistake to make: both begin with an 'I'.
Ahem.
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And how many times was said Jeremy elected on a New Labour manifesto?Tykejohnno said:
Maybe because they were elected on a labour manifesto.MikeSmithson said:
Why should they? They were elected as individuals.GIN1138 said:Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election?
A jeremy Corbyn labour manifesto.0 -
Twitter journos claiming Derek Hatton has been readmitted to the Labour Party. Naturally.0
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I think the problem with brown was he spent all that time in one department, where it is really about doing all the planning / research for two events per year. All of a sudden it is 24/7, day in day out, pressure to make decisions while keeping up with all the reading about a masssive range of topics (and of course he had the financial crisis going on).numbertwelve said:
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.FrancisUrquhart said:
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.SquareRoot said:
not lazy, just doesn't care.FrancisUrquhart said:
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
And if I remember correctly, he would often say he couldn’t make a decision yet, more information required and of course that just delayed things and it built up and built up. By the end it was chaos, there was a famous photo of piles of stuff that had got behind on.0 -
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.williamglenn said:
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
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He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.Sandpit said:
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.williamglenn said:
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
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Labour being the party of hard left property developers...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Twitter journos claiming Derek Hatton has been readmitted to the Labour Party. Naturally.
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Indeed. As in kipper.kle4 said:
Well, pronouncing it 'Tye Jers' just seems wrong, so the extra G is added to match the easier pronunciation.Endillion said:
The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
Wait, where's the second G coming from?
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Why do people think she said "funny tinge"? It sounds much more like "funny tint" to me, and that makes a lot more sense.0
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Yes it is possible that one day they will grow up to be Tigers 🐅kle4 said:
That's an easy one - they haven't earned such a cool nickname yet. The Winner the Pooh reference will be more appropriate until they hit true success.Endillion said:
And what on earth was wrong with "tigers??"kle4 said:
Well, pronouncing it 'Tye Jers' just seems wrong, so the extra G is added to match the easier pronunciatiorn.Endillion said:
The Independent Group. Ers.JohnWheatley said:Remind me what Tiggers stands for?
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If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.RochdalePioneers said:Sad to see 4 members of my party resigning today.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...0 -
Probably closer to 80% of those I would be happy to see leave have left than wanting 80% of the current PLP gone.Wulfrun_Phil said:
TBH I think you would be glad to see the back of about 80% of the current PLP.TheJezziah said:Glad to see the back of the likes of Gapes, Leslie and Smith.
Good to see Angela doing well as a spokesperson for them on their opening day as well, would have been a toss up between her and Gapes for me but I think she gave a pretty fair representation of the party.
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Time for a repeat of Alan Bleasdale's GBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Labour being the party of hard left property developers...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Twitter journos claiming Derek Hatton has been readmitted to the Labour Party. Naturally.
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Apparently she was responding to Ash Sarkar calling her family "pinkish" and obviously her brain froze.Chris said:Why do people think she said "funny tinge"? It sounds much more like "funny tint" to me, and that makes a lot more sense.
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For a fair comparison, how many resignations has she faced by people opposed to the deal/backstop?Scott_P said:0 -
Maybe he just hasn't forgotten about how we already had one?williamglenn said:
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.Sandpit said:
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.williamglenn said:
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
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He has no objection at all to referendums on anything, but simply believes that the government need to implement the result of the first one before the same question is asked again.williamglenn said:
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.Sandpit said:
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.williamglenn said:
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
I’m sure if you offered a referendum on ratifying the deal (yes/no) or a referendum on the deal v no-deal he’d be fine with it.0 -
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.El_Capitano said:
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.RochdalePioneers said:Sad to see 4 members of my party resigning today.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...0 -
Thanks. That presumably explains what would otherwise have been a very strange thing to say.williamglenn said:
Apparently she was responding to Ash Sarkar calling her family "pinkish" and obviously her brain froze.Chris said:Why do people think she said "funny tinge"? It sounds much more like "funny tint" to me, and that makes a lot more sense.
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Quiet probably nothing at all. The car industry is going to change radically as automation and electric vehicles transform the industry. I expect that we will see major companies go to the wall, much consolidation, and new entrants eating up market share. It's going to be a bit like what the microprocessor did to the computer industry, a lot of very large mainframe companies disappeared when they couldn't survive the transition.JosiasJessop said:On the other big news of the day, what can the government do to help the people at Honda and Swindon in general wrt the medium- and long-term future?
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Heidi Allen might have some chance - but cannot see Anna Soubry holding Broxtowe as a non-Tory._Anazina_ said:
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.El_Capitano said:
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.RochdalePioneers said:Sad to see 4 members of my party resigning today.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...0 -
That's irrelevant. He argued that citizens should be able to trigger a veto referendum.Endillion said:
Maybe he just hasn't forgotten about how we already had one?williamglenn said:
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.Sandpit said:
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.williamglenn said:
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
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https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1097559294390820865
BAME people and women don't really matter in terms of winning votes do they?0 -
Just saw the Layla Moran PPB on C4. She's certainly not backwards at coming forwards.0
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In my head all political figures are in their late 40s and 50s, so I am in fact surprised to learn Hatton is only 71 despite having been prominent back in the 80s.Scott_P said:0 -
Anyone got the 28/1 on United to beat Chelsea 3-1?.
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I haven't read the work in question, but I'm guessing that he was arguing that the public should be able to trigger referenda to veto general legislation proposed by the government of the day , and didn't account for the prospect of legislation proposed specifically to enact the will of the people as expressed through a prior referendum. Am I wrong?williamglenn said:
That's irrelevant. He argued that citizens should be able to trigger a veto referendum.Endillion said:
Maybe he just hasn't forgotten about how we already had one?williamglenn said:
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.Sandpit said:
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.williamglenn said:
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1097424661045018625tlg86 said:Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
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It’s a fairly liberal seat with pockets of wealth in the west Nottingham suburbs, around Nottingham University. Fairly decent Tigger territory perhaps?justin124 said:
Heidi Allen might have some chance - but cannot see Anna Soubry holding Broxtowe as a non-Tory._Anazina_ said:
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.El_Capitano said:
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.RochdalePioneers said:Sad to see 4 members of my party resigning today.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...0 -
Doubtless she would take a chunk of the Tory vote with her - but probably hand the seat back to Labour._Anazina_ said:
It’s a fairly liberal seat with pockets of wealth in the west Nottingham suburbs, around Nottingham University. Fairly decent Tigger territory perhaps?justin124 said:
Heidi Allen might have some chance - but cannot see Anna Soubry holding Broxtowe as a non-Tory._Anazina_ said:
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.El_Capitano said:
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.RochdalePioneers said:Sad to see 4 members of my party resigning today.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...0 -
What’s this in reference to? I miss your point. Chuka and Luciana are both from ethnic minorities.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1097559294390820865
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The 'funny tinge' comment from Smith_Anazina_ said:
What’s this in reference to? I miss your point. Chuka and Luciana are both from ethnic minorities.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1097559294390820865
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Actually things like that are highly significantEl_Capitano said:
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.RochdalePioneers said:Sad to see 4 members of my party resigning today.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
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Has anyone got a link to the Torygraph’s defection story? I can’t find it online0
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Great timing.
The Jezza Cult is just trolling us all now isn't it?
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Just found this on Guardian website
'The Telegraph goes yet further with a story published in the past few moments (premium) claiming a Conservative government minister is among those willing to join the new Independent Group if Theresa May pursues a no-deal Brexit.
A Tory minister and four Conservative backbenchers appear poised to defect to the new Independent Group set up by disgruntled Labour MPs, it has been claimed.
Describing the breakaway group as ‘remarkably sensible people’, the minister told the Telegraph he was prepared to join the new party if the government presses ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
It came as Anna Soubry sparked speculation she is preparing to jump ship after removing a Conservative party slogan from her social media profile.'
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Twitter footage suggests he may have been in Dorset today, but no evidence or announcement...GIN1138 said:
He's probably got jam making to do...dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/17441483.jeremy-corbyn-or-his-body-double-spotted-on-the-sandbanks-chain-ferry/0 -
Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
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Isn’t sandbanks a bit Bourgeoisie for old jezza?Mortimer said:
Twitter footage suggests he may have been in Dorset today, but no evidence or announcement...GIN1138 said:
He's probably got jam making to do...dr_spyn said:Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/17441483.jeremy-corbyn-or-his-body-double-spotted-on-the-sandbanks-chain-ferry/0 -
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.0 -
Tinge/tintkle4 said:
The 'funny tinge' comment from Smith_Anazina_ said:
What’s this in reference to? I miss your point. Chuka and Luciana are both from ethnic minorities.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1097559294390820865
BAME people and women don't really matter in terms of winning votes do they?0 -
Thanks, Justin.justin124 said:Just found this on Guardian website
'The Telegraph goes yet further with a story published in the past few moments (premium) claiming a Conservative government minister is among those willing to join the new Independent Group if Theresa May pursues a no-deal Brexit.
A Tory minister and four Conservative backbenchers appear poised to defect to the new Independent Group set up by disgruntled Labour MPs, it has been claimed.
Describing the breakaway group as ‘remarkably sensible people’, the minister told the Telegraph he was prepared to join the new party if the government presses ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
It came as Anna Soubry sparked speculation she is preparing to jump ship after removing a Conservative party slogan from her social media profile.'0 -
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They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
Roger
2-0.
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Seems like a reasonable response to me - if the leadership has indeed been operating on the assumption that most remainers will go nowhere no matter what they do, and nor will most moderates, it may as well test that out properly. They might still be right.Scott_P said:0 -
Many voters in this country don’t like Tony Blair.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
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I don’t think they hate Benn. They probably aren’t as infatuated with Attlee as some Corbynistas seem to think they are, though.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1097576499790708736
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
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I suppose it's just about possible that the leadership's actual reaction to this morning's events was, "Only seven? What more do we have to do to convince them it's over?"kle4 said:
Seems like a reasonable response to me - if the leadership has indeed been operating on the assumption that most remainers will go nowhere no matter what they do, and nor will most moderates, it may as well test that out properly. They might still be right.Scott_P said:0 -
But they did for a long time. Must have been something to him.The_Apocalypse said:
Many voters in this country don’t like Tony Blair.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
Attlee? Bloody warmonger.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn. They probably aren’t as infatuated with Attlee as some Corbynistas seem to think they are, though.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
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Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
Possible sun headline....tiggers bounce while Honda flounce?0
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They are drunk on the dreams of power, which is only a step away now surely?Scott_P said:
They are trolling for fun now.0 -
Isn't that some kind of proxy hatred?kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.0
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kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.kle4 said:
The important thing is being not the Tories.rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.0 -
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
It's the blind assumption that the potential voters for the new party would all otherwise have voted Labour that is so arrogant and complacent.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1097576499790708736
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
As if we hadn't already learned that lesson with UKIP and the Tories.
Further, research into the 1980s SDP vote suggests it would have broken in favour of the Tories in a straight two-party contest. So unpopular was what Labour was offering at the time.0 -
Yes, I think Blair was very good at presenting himself as being all things to all men. That was never going to be sustainable. But what Blair has morphed into over the last ten years is definitely something I don’t think voters want.kle4 said:
But they did for a long time. Must have been something to him.The_Apocalypse said:
Many voters in this country don’t like Tony Blair.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
_Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And Mr Benn._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
I don't think his type of reaction necessarily indicates one being rattled by the emergence of the Tiggers, and as you say it probably won't make that big a difference to their chances, so it is presumably just a very emotional lashing out in that even though he wanted them gone, they still dared to do so and how could they do something so beastly?The_Apocalypse said:I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
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They even hate Gentle Ben. The baskets_Anazina_ said:_Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And Mr Benn._Anazina_ said:
And Hilary Benn.kle4 said:
Only Emily Benn.The_Apocalypse said:
I don’t think they hate Benn.rottenborough said:
They probably hated Tony Benn as well. Virtually a Blairite. I mean he served under Wilson.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1097587824575082496rottenborough said:Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.0 -
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Polly's not impressed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/labour-schism-sdp-brexit-seven-mps0 -
Nothing new in that. Not to be too mean, but a certain ex Lab MP on here once referred to LDs voting LD as a betrayal in a theoretical by-election because it took votes which, of course, would only have gone Labour.IanB2 said:
It's the blind assumption that the potential voters for the new party would all otherwise have voted Labour that is so arrogant and complacent.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1097576499790708736
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
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