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Labour sources think crunch point for several other Labour MPs considering resigning the whip will be whether or not Corbyn accepts Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson amendment on Feb 27 calling for public vote on May’s deal, modelled on Good Friday Agreement referendum
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First...like chuka off a train when he hears it’s going to Swindon.0
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On the subject of Sarah Woolsaton... didn't she begin the EU referendum campaign as an outspoken Brexiteer?0
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Party affiliations have loosened to the extent that stepping across to a new grouping seems much less remarkable than it would have done even a few years ago.0
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Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.0 -
And the DUP.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.0 -
Indeed. Soubry was always a fierce Remainer who was on verge of crying live on TV at the prospect of Brexit.Fenster said:On the subject of Sarah Woolsaton... didn't she begin the EU referendum campaign as an outspoken Brexiteer?
Wollaston was a Brexiteer who supposedly switched sides because she didn't believe the £350mn for the NHS would be delivered and even after the government has pledged in full the £350mn for the NHS she has become an arch Remain zealot.
It's odd to say the least.0 -
It seems both parties have gone deselection-crazy.0
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And the DUP. Sixth.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.0 -
There are more LD MP's.Black_Rook said:
And the DUP. Sixth.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
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And Sinn Fein....Sandpit said:
And the DUP.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.0 -
Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?0
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I don't see what this split is meant to achieve if they aren't going to form a proper party and try to compete for votes - including, and in fact especially, against Labour.
I suppose at least it means they don't have to maintain even the tiniest shred of a pretence that they're serious about wanting Corbyn as Prime Minister, or that Labour (under current management) is a worthy party of Government. Perhaps that's enough for them?0 -
And MPs going will harden Corbyn's resolve...0
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If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be0
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How did we all forget about the Lib Dem’s?OldKingCole said:
There are more LD MP's.Black_Rook said:
And the DUP. Sixth.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
Seventh.0 -
I think by party/group in the HoC right now in order it is:
May's Tories
Labour
SNP
Baker/Mogg's ERG...
Lib Dems
DUP
Sinn Fein
Tiggers
Plaid
Non tigger Ex Labour independents
Ex Lib Dems
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I think they could be the UK Independents Party....RobD said:
Sounds as though that’s the name of the party. Maybe a case of upper/lower case “i”.TudorRose said:Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?
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I think the aim is indeed to 'form a proper party', but they likely want to see who else might be up for the enterprise before they determine its boundaries.Black_Rook said:I don't see what this split is meant to achieve if they aren't going to form a proper party and try to compete for votes - including, and in fact especially, against Labour.
I suppose at least it means they don't have to maintain even the tiniest shred of a pretence that they're serious about wanting Corbyn as Prime Minister, or that Labour (under current management) is a worthy party of Government. Perhaps that's enough for them?0 -
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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They appear to ge going for a bottom up grass roots type arrangement, the party will form around the support after input from backers etc. There is a possible market for branding as 'people taking back politics' and running as NOTA/peoples candidatesBlack_Rook said:I don't see what this split is meant to achieve if they aren't going to form a proper party and try to compete for votes - including, and in fact especially, against Labour.
I suppose at least it means they don't have to maintain even the tiniest shred of a pretence that they're serious about wanting Corbyn as Prime Minister, or that Labour (under current management) is a worthy party of Government. Perhaps that's enough for them?0 -
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Nominally a Tory... You could stick the speakers as equal to Plaid as a group though seeing as there are 4 of them.TudorRose said:
Speaker?Pulpstar said:I think by party/group in the HoC right now in order it is:
Tories
Labour
SNP
Lib Dems
DUP
Sinn Fein
Tiggers
Plaid
Non tigger Ex Labour independents
Ex Lib Dems
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Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.0 -
Deep down they want the Party to change so they can go back ultimately. Gapes is about as Labour to the core as it is possible to be. It must have hurt him terribly.
On Woolaston, I think she would have a sporting chance to hold the seat as an indie.
All eyes on the Labour candidate for Newport....0 -
I have often said that anyone putting themselves forward to be an MP has a bravery (or foolhardishness?) that I lack. They can get some fairly horrendous treatment from the public and press.
Therefore my first reaction to the news was how brave these seven people are. They are going to have the forces of hell thrown at them - and it's not as if Labour doesn't have a history of that.
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Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election?
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Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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Hard to keep track of the SNP numbers these daysmalcolmg said:
Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth. 0 -
Bang to rights over a flippant comment. I can only hold up my hands in shame.malcolmg said:
Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
OTOH, I do know not to put a space before a comma or an apostrophe in "MPs", so there's that.0 -
Umuna clearly thinks Macron is the template but Macron got bought by L'Establishment, hence the yellow vests, tiggers need to be genuine localist old style liberals0
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He currently been investigated for sexual harassment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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AllegedFrancisUrquhart said:
He currently been investigated for sexual harassment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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Local government is full of independent groups. Unlike today's effort, they are usually closet Tories.TudorRose said:Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?
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Not if you have more than two braincells Rob. Shows how stupid and how little knowledge of politics outside the M25 some idiots on here have. Donkeys galore.RobD said:
Hard to keep track of the SNP numbers these daysmalcolmg said:
Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.0 -
How many take the ERG whip these days ? Are they bigger or smaller than the SNP.0
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***BR pedantry alert!***OldKingCole said:
There are more LD MP's.Black_Rook said:
And the DUP. Sixth.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
Seventh.
Con 1st
Lab 2nd
SNP 3rd
LD 4th
DUP 5th
Faux-SDP 6th or 6th=, depending on whether or not you count Sinn Fein. Not 7th.
***Pedantry ends***
Another thing: Labour, counting in Newport West (both out of decency and on the assumption that they win the by-election) are down to 249 seats, having already shipped 13 MPs through various scandals, controversies and resignations. That's nearly half of their 2017 gains gone. 17 more losses sees them back to where they were after the 2015 result. This may no longer be inconceivable.0 -
Frank field is a no and says 'he has his own plans' - retirement I thinkBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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Why should they? They were elected as individuals.GIN1138 said:Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election?0 -
Put on the big hat and go sit in the cornerEl_Capitano said:
Bang to rights over a flippant comment. I can only hold up my hands in shame.malcolmg said:
Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
OTOH, I do know not to put a space before a comma or an apostrophe in "MPs", so there's that.0 -
Well yes, he is being investigated...but he claims it is politically motivated. Even if it isn’t true, I am not sure the tiggers want to be bogged down with it (especially after in tinge-gate) at the moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
AllegedFrancisUrquhart said:
He currently been investigated for sexual harassment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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You mean the seven aren’t closet red Tory scum?SandyRentool said:
Local government is full of independent groups. Unlike today's effort, they are usually closet Tories.TudorRose said:Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?
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Wasn't the good doctor actually selected on an open primary?
How can a few members of the local association deselect her?0 -
I dunno, I think Frank might give it a go as an actual independent candidate (and probably would come a lot closer to defending his seat than today's bunch of no-marks).dyedwoolie said:
Frank field is a no and says 'he has his own plans' - retirement I thinkBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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Evening Malc.malcolmg said:
Not if you have more than two braincells Rob. Shows how stupid and how little knowledge of politics outside the M25 some idiots on here have. Donkeys galore.RobD said:
Hard to keep track of the SNP numbers these daysmalcolmg said:
Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
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I think that ultimately, the tiggers will want Corbyn to fall so that they can be welcomed back into the Labour fold. At the moment, they are a bit of a one trick pony- antibrexit- so there is only a finite number of voters they can attract-leavers ain't gonna be interested. It's too early to talk of new parties being formed. Maybe affer March 29th, we'll have more idea.0
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(full stop)malcolmg said:
Put on the big hat and go sit in the cornerEl_Capitano said:
Bang to rights over a flippant comment. I can only hold up my hands in shame.malcolmg said:
Idiot , you don't even know how many MP's each party has.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
OTOH, I do know not to put a space before a comma or an apostrophe in "MPs", so there's that.
To be honest I wish we had a party in England even halfway as competent as the SNP, but hey ho. I did display an SNP poster in my window at GE 2015 purely to troll the local Tories. Isabel Oakeshott tweeted a picture of it with the caption "Spotted in David Cameron's constituency" and the Cybernats of Twitter were delighted.0 -
The ERG contingent certainly outnumber that of the SNP, but they don't count as a separate party.Pulpstar said:How many take the ERG whip these days ? Are they bigger or smaller than the SNP.
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I would describe them as Social Democrats.RobD said:
You mean the seven aren’t closet red Tory scum?SandyRentool said:
Local government is full of independent groups. Unlike today's effort, they are usually closet Tories.TudorRose said:Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?
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Lol they all know full well they wouldn't get in without the rose next to their name on the ballot paper. Same for Stephen Lloyd (yellow bird) or Frank Field running as independents too.MikeSmithson said:
Why should they? They were elected as individuals.GIN1138 said:Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election?0 -
Be interesting to see if the tiggers get any prominent financial backing. Got to be some blairite business types who think corbyn is a commie and brexit is a disaster, and willing to shovel to dosh to back this grouping.0
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Or let the Tories through the middle in a genuine 'Tories gain birkenhead' momentDanny565 said:
I dunno, I think Frank might give it a go as an actual independent candidate (and probably would come a lot closer to defending his seat than today's bunch of no-marks).dyedwoolie said:
Frank field is a no and says 'he has his own plans' - retirement I thinkBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure how many they are but I assume Woodcock would be a possibleFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure the tiggers want a convicted criminal, an mp with record of sexual harassment, etc. And I think frank field has already said no thanks.Big_G_NorthWales said:If those already outside the whip joined the group how many would they be
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Just asking the question...MikeSmithson said:
Why should they? They were elected as individuals.GIN1138 said:Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election? 0 -
I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.0
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We're going to need a decent pun name for this lot - SDP 2:Electric Boogaloo isn't going to cut it.Black_Rook said:
***BR pedantry alert!***OldKingCole said:
There are more LD MP's.Black_Rook said:
And the DUP. Sixth.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
Seventh.
Con 1st
Lab 2nd
SNP 3rd
LD 4th
DUP 5th
Faux-SDP 6th or 6th=, depending on whether or not you count Sinn Fein. Not 7th.
***Pedantry ends***
Another thing: Labour, counting in Newport West (both out of decency and on the assumption that they win the by-election) are down to 249 seats, having already shipped 13 MPs through various scandals, controversies and resignations. That's nearly half of their 2017 gains gone. 17 more losses sees them back to where they were after the 2015 result. This may no longer be inconceivable.0 -
I don't think they can go back now even if Corbyn falls. The backstabber always needs to dig two (or 7 in this case) graves.twistedfirestopper3 said:I think that ultimately, the tiggers will want Corbyn to fall so that they can be welcomed back into the Labour fold. At the moment, they are a bit of a one trick pony- antibrexit- so there is only a finite number of voters they can attract-leavers ain't gonna be interested. It's too early to talk of new parties being formed. Maybe affer March 29th, we'll have more idea.
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According to my Twitter feed, there are two extraneous letters in your post.SandyRentool said:
Local government is full of independent groups. Unlike today's effort, they are usually closet Tories.TudorRose said:Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?
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Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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Although Zac did nearly hold as an independent, though I expect the chances of Corbyn not sticking up an official Labour candidate against any of this lot are between nought and zero.Pulpstar said:
Lol they all know full well they wouldn't get in without the rose next to their name on the ballot paper. Same for Stephen Lloyd (yellow bird) or Frank Field running as independents too.MikeSmithson said:
Why should they? They were elected as individuals.GIN1138 said:Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election?0 -
Honda first on BBC news at 6.0
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Typical non-denial denial.SandyRentool said:
I would describe them as Social Democrats.RobD said:
You mean the seven aren’t closet red Tory scum?SandyRentool said:
Local government is full of independent groups. Unlike today's effort, they are usually closet Tories.TudorRose said:Can you have an 'independent group'? Isn't that actually just a 'group'? And what about people like Woodcock - are they 'independent independents'?
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No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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Margaret Thatcher, Tokyo 1982
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/105018
I want to make clear that Japanese companies which invest in the United Kingdom are very welcome, and we believe we have much to offer them.
— Politically, we are one of the most stable countries in Europe—a vital point for any investor.
— We provide access, through our membership of the European Community to a market of 270 million people—and make no mistake about it, we shall continue to be a member of that Community.0 -
Will they be allowed to do that long term?MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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This morning when I woke up I had never heard of Angela Smith MP. By this evening I have learned...
She was elected by promising voters her party wouldn’t win
She has resigned from the party because she thinks it’s racist, then made the most racist comment ever on the BBC’s new lunchtime show
She represents a constituency who voted Leave yet criticises her old party for enabling Brexit
I think she’s right and politics is broken!
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I have no idea, it's extremely opaque though as it means donations to the company don't need to be registered.FrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be allowed to do that long term?MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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I'd have thought old Tone himself would be jizzing his pants as he pulled a few million quid of his hard earned out of his pocket to give 'em.FrancisUrquhart said:Be interesting to see if the tiggers get any prominent financial backing. Got to be some blairite business types who think corbyn is a commie and brexit is a disaster, and willing to shovel to dosh to back this grouping.
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I don’t know, I get the feeling tone is the kind of guy happy to spend other people’s money but rather tight with his own....cough network of private companies, cough tax efficiency cough. And hence why he is absolutely loaded.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'd have thought old Tone himself would be jizzing his pants as he pulled a few million quid of his hard earned out of his pocket to give 'em.FrancisUrquhart said:Be interesting to see if the tiggers get any prominent financial backing. Got to be some blairite business types who think corbyn is a commie and brexit is a disaster, and willing to shovel to dosh to back this grouping.
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It seems like it shouldn’t, because otherwise everybody could easily dodge the normal expenditure oversight.MaxPB said:
I have no idea, it's extremely opaque though as it means donations to the company don't need to be registered.FrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be allowed to do that long term?MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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35 years is a long timewilliamglenn said:Margaret Thatcher, Tokyo 1982
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/105018
I want to make clear that Japanese companies which invest in the United Kingdom are very welcome, and we believe we have much to offer them.
— Politically, we are one of the most stable countries in Europe—a vital point for any investor.
— We provide access, through our membership of the European Community to a market of 270 million people—and make no mistake about it, we shall continue to be a member of that Community. 0 -
Indeed. I think it's a first that a group of MPs have declared themselves as being controlled by a private company rather than a political party. It's definitely a grey area that needs clarification very fast before we end up in a similar situation to the US where huge companies buy off politicians completely through dodgy SuperPACs.FrancisUrquhart said:
It seems like it shouldn’t, because otherwise everybody could easily dodge the normal expenditure oversight.MaxPB said:
I have no idea, it's extremely opaque though as it means donations to the company don't need to be registered.FrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be allowed to do that long term?MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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Very odd.MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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In 1982, the world was my lobster. A lot has happened since then.williamglenn said:Margaret Thatcher, Tokyo 1982
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/105018
I want to make clear that Japanese companies which invest in the United Kingdom are very welcome, and we believe we have much to offer them.
— Politically, we are one of the most stable countries in Europe—a vital point for any investor.
— We provide access, through our membership of the European Community to a market of 270 million people—and make no mistake about it, we shall continue to be a member of that Community.0 -
Max, probably best to fire off an enquiry/complaint to the electoral commission about it. CC your local MP in too perhaps (No idea who that is)MaxPB said:
Indeed. I think it's a first that a group of MPs have declared themselves as being controlled by a private company rather than a political party. It's definitely a grey area that needs clarification very fast before we end up in a similar situation to the US where huge companies buy off politicians completely through dodgy SuperPACs.FrancisUrquhart said:
It seems like it shouldn’t, because otherwise everybody could easily dodge the normal expenditure oversight.MaxPB said:
I have no idea, it's extremely opaque though as it means donations to the company don't need to be registered.FrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be allowed to do that long term?MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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Tonight’s irony: Leavers who have for three years resolutely refused to contemplate where Leave’s money came from are now getting agitated because they can’t immediately see where a brand new grouping is funded from.0
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I think the people have the right to a second vote, now all the facts are available... the voters simply weren't informed enough at the time about what voting for their MP would actually entail... now all the facts are available, what's wrong with demanding a second vote?GIN1138 said:
Just asking the question...MikeSmithson said:
Why should they? They were elected as individuals.GIN1138 said:Any more Labrexit news?
Oh and have any of these "departing" Labour MPs granted their constituents a "People's Vote" in the form of a by election? 0 -
Unfortunately the EC no longer exists. If it did...then I'd bet we would still be members.williamglenn said:Margaret Thatcher, Tokyo 1982
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/105018
I want to make clear that Japanese companies which invest in the United Kingdom are very welcome, and we believe we have much to offer them.
— Politically, we are one of the most stable countries in Europe—a vital point for any investor.
— We provide access, through our membership of the European Community to a market of 270 million people—and make no mistake about it, we shall continue to be a member of that Community.0 -
I trust you are equally curious.AlastairMeeks said:Tonight’s irony: Leavers who have for three years resolutely refused to contemplate where Leave’s money came from are now getting agitated because they can’t immediately see where a brand new grouping is funded from.
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Information about its create, its ownership, its articles of association etc etc is available in about 30 seconds from Companies House - they will presumably be subject to exactly the same rules as any other Company LImited by Guarantee? If they form a political party then they will be subject to the relevant rules for political parties. Not sure whats at all odd about this - they have to have a trading entity to buy stuff (like a website) and take in stuff (like donations)MaxPB said:
I have no idea, it's extremely opaque though as it means donations to the company don't need to be registered.FrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be allowed to do that long term?MaxPB said:
No, TIG is a private company, not a political party. Which is very disconcerting.RobD said:
Oh, they aren’t registered as a party?MaxPB said:I'm also less than impressed by this new party's set up to dodge oversight of donations and I'm extremely uneasy about the idea of a private company effectively controlling the votes of 6 MPs. The electoral commission needs to look into this ASAP.
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Tonight's irony: Remainers that have been agitating about where the not Leave campaign's money came from completely unbothered by the new group's opaque set up.AlastairMeeks said:Tonight’s irony: Leavers who have for three years resolutely refused to contemplate where Leave’s money came from are now getting agitated because they can’t immediately see where a brand new grouping is funded from.
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Isn't one of the lessons from the referendum that it is best to clarify stuff like this early on (Which noone did for really for the leave campaigns) rather than leave unresolved and pproach it when its all too late ?AlastairMeeks said:Tonight’s irony: Leavers who have for three years resolutely refused to contemplate where Leave’s money came from are now getting agitated because they can’t immediately see where a brand new grouping is funded from.
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I think the new independent party could become a rallying point for 'People's Vote' backing Labour MPs and a few Tory diehard Remainers like Soubry, Wollaston and Grieve.
Of course if Article 50 is extended and we end up with BINO or even Brexit revoked that will boost Farage's new Brexit Party which is reportedly ready to field 200 candidates in the European Parliament elections if we are still in the EU in May0 -
I’m curious in proportion to the money. So much more curious about where all that opaque money for Leave came from. I trust you are too.RobD said:
I trust you are equally curious.AlastairMeeks said:Tonight’s irony: Leavers who have for three years resolutely refused to contemplate where Leave’s money came from are now getting agitated because they can’t immediately see where a brand new grouping is funded from.
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I would be surprised if this private company thing isn’t just a “placeholder”. At the press conference, they didn’t even know if / when they would be a party, who would do what roles etc.0
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The Spliterati?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
We're going to need a decent pun name for this lot - SDP 2:Electric Boogaloo isn't going to cut it.Black_Rook said:
***BR pedantry alert!***OldKingCole said:
There are more LD MP's.Black_Rook said:
And the DUP. Sixth.El_Capitano said:Fourth like the Independent Group.
Oh, wait, there's the SNP too. Fifth.
Seventh.
Con 1st
Lab 2nd
SNP 3rd
LD 4th
DUP 5th
Faux-SDP 6th or 6th=, depending on whether or not you count Sinn Fein. Not 7th.
***Pedantry ends***
Another thing: Labour, counting in Newport West (both out of decency and on the assumption that they win the by-election) are down to 249 seats, having already shipped 13 MPs through various scandals, controversies and resignations. That's nearly half of their 2017 gains gone. 17 more losses sees them back to where they were after the 2015 result. This may no longer be inconceivable.0 -
Try standing for PM. Or POTUS ...JosiasJessop said:I have often said that anyone putting themselves forward to be an MP has a bravery (or foolhardishness?) that I lack. They can get some fairly horrendous treatment from the public and press.
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But why not just register a political party?FrancisUrquhart said:I would be surprised if this private company thing isn’t just a “placeholder”. At the press conference, they didn’t even know if / when they would be a party, who would do what roles etc.
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Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Soubry was always a fierce Remainer who was on verge of crying live on TV at the prospect of Brexit.Fenster said:On the subject of Sarah Woolsaton... didn't she begin the EU referendum campaign as an outspoken Brexiteer?
Wollaston was a Brexiteer who supposedly switched sides because she didn't believe the £350mn for the NHS would be delivered and even after the government has pledged in full the £350mn for the NHS she has become an arch Remain zealot.
It's odd to say the least.
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Indeed. Soubry was always a fierce Remainer who was on verge of crying live on TV at the prospect of Brexit.Fenster said:On the subject of Sarah Woolsaton... didn't she begin the EU referendum campaign as an outspoken Brexiteer?
Wollaston was a Brexiteer who supposedly switched sides because she didn't believe the £350mn for the NHS would be delivered and even after the government has pledged in full the £350mn for the NHS she has become an arch Remain zealot.
It's odd to say the least.
Lady HermonRobD said:
Speaker?Pulpstar said:I think by party/group in the HoC right now in order it is:
Tories
Labour
SNP
Lib Dems
DUP
Sinn Fein
Tiggers
Plaid
Non tigger Ex Labour independents
Ex Lib Dems
Green
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I am not sure they even know if they are going to be a political party. It was all very wishy washy. Remember maomentum is a private company for collecting data, perhaps they are aping that approach.MaxPB said:
But why not just register a political party?FrancisUrquhart said:I would be surprised if this private company thing isn’t just a “placeholder”. At the press conference, they didn’t even know if / when they would be a party, who would do what roles etc.
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Yes so best to pin it all down whilst the foal is still learning to stand up in its stable. Meanwhile the leave stallion has galloped about 20 races since it bolted.FrancisUrquhart said:I would be surprised if this private company thing isn’t just a “placeholder”. At the press conference, they didn’t even know if / when they would be a party, who would do what roles etc.
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MaxPB said:
But why not just register a political party?FrancisUrquhart said:I would be surprised if this private company thing isn’t just a “placeholder”. At the press conference, they didn’t even know if / when they would be a party, who would do what roles etc.
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Liam Fox flew to Jerusalem today to sign a deal to roll over the existing EU Israel trade agreement for the UK after Brexit0
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How can they field 200 candidates when we only have 70 something seats?HYUFD said:I think the new independent party could become a rallying point for 'People's Vote' backing Labour MPs and a few Tory diehard Remainers like Soubry, Wollaston and Grieve.
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We only send 73 members fo Europe, what are the other 127 candidates standing for?HYUFD said:I think the new independent party could become a rallying point for 'People's Vote' backing Labour MPs and a few Tory diehard Remainers like Soubry, Wollaston and Grieve.
Of course if Article 50 is extended and we end up with BINO or even Brexit revoked that will boost Farage's new Brexit Party which is reportedly ready to field 200 candidates in the European Parliament elections if we are still in the EU in May0 -
Indeed. In theory a new party could effectively accept a donation from the company and then not declare where the cash originated as the company will just be declaring political donations as income for services rendered.Pulpstar said:
Yes so best to pin it all down whilst the foal is still learning to stand up in its stable. Meanwhile the leave stallion has galloped about 20 races since it bolted.FrancisUrquhart said:I would be surprised if this private company thing isn’t just a “placeholder”. At the press conference, they didn’t even know if / when they would be a party, who would do what roles etc.
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