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And the FA Cup replay goes to extra time, so May loses the prime BBC1 news.......0
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Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?solarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
On topic, this is the latest plateau we’ve slithered down onto. The only way is down.0
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Well they know remain would win, obviously. Or fear it a great deal at any rate. Still seems the only path parliament might accept though, but no doubt we'll have more rushing off to Brussels to get freshly pissed on.Benpointer said:
I cannot speak for him obviously but I would have thought the LDems could offer to support her deal provided it is sanctioned by a 2nd Ref. Why is that so hard for the government to accept?kle4 said:
Not that a vote is itself unreasonable, but isn't he essentially saying the government must do exactly what he wants? What exactly will be be willing to concede on in exchange for the PM conceding to a vote?Scott_P said:
Also, I was very excited by the words 'New LD Leader' before hope was dashed.0 -
Indeed. The universe is full of stars so it is ridiculous to suggest we need the light and heat from the sun.MarqueeMark said:
Even then, we'll be fine - with our easy trade deal with the Asteroid Beltsolarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
We've been on an abyssal plain for quite some time, just waiting for a trench.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, this is the latest plateau we’ve slithered down onto. The only way is down.
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"We are sick of this "Sun" controlling our every movement. Even when it is night and day! We demand the right to chart our own orbit, and negotiate bespoke orbits with other stellar bodies the length and breadth of the Galaxy.solarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
We'll soon see how the sun needs us more than we need it!dixiedean said:
"We are sick of this "Sun" controlling our every movement. Even when it is night and day! We demand the right to chart our own orbit, and negotiate bespoke orbits with other stellar bodies the length and breadth of the Galaxy.solarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
The other way round would be better for one's blood pressure.Cyclefree said:I simply cannot bear to hear another of Mrs May’s Potemkin speeches. The only one I want to hear from her is “I resign”, followed by Corbyn saying the same thing.
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We hold all the cards. Without us, the sun would just be some nameless star than no-one had ever heard of.Benpointer said:
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?solarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
I absolutely agree. If no deal brexit happens the tories will own it at GE after GE after GE for 29 years.grabcocque said:
Well of course he does, but the also wants May to be the one that gets the blame for it. As long as No Deal is a possibility, Labour must ensure that it remains HER that drives us over the cliff edge. That's why Labour can't be in a formal negotiation process with May as long as she's still driving us towards the cliff edge.Sean_F said:
3. Corbyn wants no deal.
So when someone demands it is taken off the table they a) wouldn’t be able to explain exactly how b) not all that bothered if they don’t.
It’s called politics.
Even if she technically could, some way still not explained to us, by all accounts about half the party membership and not much under a third of her MPs don’t want her to, so it simply isn’t going to happen. Instead the government will go big on no deal planning from tonight onwards. Maybe a few will leave the cabinet, such as Gauke might walk. Apart from that not much will happen now till Monday.
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Why 29 years?dots said:
I absolutely agree. If no deal brexit happens the tories will own it at GE after GE after GE for 29 years.grabcocque said:
Well of course he does, but the also wants May to be the one that gets the blame for it. As long as No Deal is a possibility, Labour must ensure that it remains HER that drives us over the cliff edge. That's why Labour can't be in a formal negotiation process with May as long as she's still driving us towards the cliff edge.Sean_F said:
3. Corbyn wants no deal.
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Lol. I said yesterday that more people would be interested in the Blackburn vs Newcastle replay than the MV. Regarding tonight’s statement, well, QED.Scott_P said:0 -
Mark my words, if we don't stop the Sun's obsessive control of us now one day it will expand and swallow us whole!williamglenn said:
We hold all the cards. Without us, the sun would just be some nameless star than no-one had ever heard of.Benpointer said:
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?solarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
Are you referring to Juncker againkle4 said:
Well they know remain would win, obviously. Or fear it a great deal at any rate. Still seems the only path parliament might accept though, but no doubt we'll have more rushing off to Brussels to get freshly pissed on.Benpointer said:
I cannot speak for him obviously but I would have thought the LDems could offer to support her deal provided it is sanctioned by a 2nd Ref. Why is that so hard for the government to accept?kle4 said:
Not that a vote is itself unreasonable, but isn't he essentially saying the government must do exactly what he wants? What exactly will be be willing to concede on in exchange for the PM conceding to a vote?Scott_P said:
Also, I was very excited by the words 'New LD Leader' before hope was dashed.0 -
Indeed. But has anyone called Will O’Vepeepel?Benpointer said:
Revoking A50 would change the default, just saying.Ishmael_Z said:
You can't, unless you can abrogate the rule of logic which says that the complement of "no deal" is "a deal". Schrodinger's cat gets too much airtime recently, but tthe point is that you can't be in favour of a superposition of incompatible deals, which is what those who "oppose No Deal" think they can do.Anazina said:Ishmael - change the default
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Theresa relegated to BBC20
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I'm hoping she announces that she and Corbyn are going to decide Brexit in the Thunderdome.Richard_Nabavi said:
The other way round would be better for one's blood pressure.Cyclefree said:I simply cannot bear to hear another of Mrs May’s Potemkin speeches. The only one I want to hear from her is “I resign”, followed by Corbyn saying the same thing.
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All this "take no deal off the table" stuff is really annoying.
If we're going for the table metaphor, we're not allowed to have an empty table; the only way to take something off is to put something else on. You can't say, take this off and then we'll talk about what else to put on.0 -
Richard_Tyndall said:
No they call look equally stupid. Lowest common denominatorBenpointer said:
So Labour, SNP and LDems all saying they will only participate in talks if No Deal is ruled out.Scott_P said:
JC not looking quite so stupid now.
My grandma (RIP) used to tell a fable about that Richard. “Oh you bogger, everyone out of step except you?”0 -
BBC 24 hour news is the main one these daysBenpointer said:Theresa relegated to BBC2
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It's an incredibly transparent political ploy, even as refusing to rule out switching to backing no deal is an obvious ploy of May's. Difference is the former will work. It's just about making no deal only May's fault.asjohnstone said:All this "take no deal off the table" stuff is really annoying.
If we're going for the table metaphor, we're not allowed to have an empty table; the only way to take something off is to put something else on. You can't say, take this off and then we'll talk about what else to put on.0 -
Will be funny if she's resigning or calling another election or referendum... On BBC2!
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Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...0
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Hmm. Shall I go to bed or stay up another five minutes to hear Mrs May make her Brexit means Brexit speech for the five hundredth time.
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The lack of planning in never getting round to building a Dyson sphere is to blame.kle4 said:
Mark my words, if we don't stop the Sun's obsessive control of us now one day it will expand and swallow us whole!williamglenn said:
We hold all the cards. Without us, the sun would just be some nameless star than no-one had ever heard of.Benpointer said:
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?solarflare said:
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see howrpjs said:
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?solarflare said:
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.kle4 said:
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.solarflare said:
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-Dviewcode said:
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.Scott_P said:0 -
Nothing has changed.FF43 said:Hmm. Shall I go to bed or stay up another five minutes to hear Mrs May make her Brexit means Brexit speech for the five hundredth time.
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She could resign on Dave for all I care ... JFDI!GIN1138 said:Will be funny if she's resigning or calling another election or referendum... On BBC2!
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To summarise:
Parliament contains 650 members, of whom perhaps about 100 (a few dozen ERG and fellow travellers, the DUP, and Corbyn and a handful of Labour palaeosocialists) are eager, or at least willing, to accept No Deal.
The other 550 or so, about 85% of all MPs, are frightened of Hard Brexit. Most or all of them, it would appear, view Brexit as the biggest challenge to come before Parliament since 1945, and they also regard No Deal as anything between highly undesirable and downright catastrophic in economic terms.
Through their command of an overwhelming Parliamentary majority, they possess the means to avert Hard Brexit at any time - yet, as things stand, there is an excellent chance that Andrew Bridgen, Nadine Dorries and friends will checkmate all of them in about 70 days' time.
Regardless of how well or badly No Deal goes, if it indeed comes to pass then this will constitute one of the most profound collective failures of leadership by the political class in British history. Because, if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so and emerge with one shred of credibility left? It would be as if the 1940 Parliament had allowed the country to be invaded because they were all too busy having an argument over which branch of the armed forces to prioritise in preparing the national defence.
I mean, honestly...0 -
May needs to give in to someone, then face the consequences of that. There's nothing coming from the EU to save her (it was clear after the summer break when the much trailer positive noises from the EU did not appear that they were going to stick with playing hardball), so time for her to pick the least unpalatable option and see how much closer that gets her to passing a vote.Richard_Nabavi said:Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
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Or the Blunderdome, as some Guardian wag put it.grabcocque said:
I'm hoping she announces that she and Corbyn are going to decide Brexit in the Thunderdome.Richard_Nabavi said:
The other way round would be better for one's blood pressure.Cyclefree said:I simply cannot bear to hear another of Mrs May’s Potemkin speeches. The only one I want to hear from her is “I resign”, followed by Corbyn saying the same thing.
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I think the PB meme has something to do with hearts of stone.MarqueeMark said:And the FA Cup replay goes to extra time, so May loses the prime BBC1 news.......
Losing out to Derby County is a cross we have all bore, sadly.0 -
Any Labour votes she gets by trying for a CU means she loses another Tory. The solution is renegotiating the backstop.Richard_Nabavi said:Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
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...because she needs them more than they need her?Richard_Nabavi said:Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
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Right half time in extra time, now's your chance Prime Minister.0
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Chavez documentary finishing up...0
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The biggest mistake we are making is believing they are genuine about thinking it a disaster. The actions of MPs do not bear that out. They clearly think it will be bad. But not so bad they need to compromise to a deal, or referendum, or whatever. Not yet anyway.Black_Rook said:Because, if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so and emerge with one shred of credibility left? ..
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I’d say it wasn’t her forte but identifying her forte is quite a challenge.Richard_Nabavi said:Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
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I thought the Liaison Committee have given it the thumbs down?Scott_P said:0 -
Why on Earth are BBC News geoblocking their feed of the PM’s speech? Grr...0
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Benpointer said:
Theresa relegated to BBC2
Southampton and Derby more important than the PM0 -
I thought it has been judged ineffective?Scott_P said:0 -
TM from Downing Street is talking to the Nation over the heads of politicians
She is not talking to those of us on this forum0 -
Here’s Laura with the No. 10 PR sheet.
Switched to ITV.0 -
She will come out on time on 29th March, deal or no deal, because the people of Britain voted for itIanB2 said:
When has she ever come out on time?FF43 said:Hmm. Shall I go to bed or stay up another five minutes to hear Mrs May make her Brexit means Brexit speech for the five hundredth time.
Dilemma
(In case you are wondering that bit was in invisible ink on the ballot paper)0 -
Er... maybe they don't wish to embarrass the country any further?Sandpit said:Why on Earth are BBC News geoblocking their feed of the PM’s speech? Grr...
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Here she comes....0
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Oh screw the Cabinet. If May and they have not already agreed a position to that and other issues then they are not even a cohesive group for even basic contingency planning, so what bloody good are they?Scott_P said:0 -
Survival, bloody mindedness.AlastairMeeks said:
I’d say it wasn’t her forte but identifying her forte is quite a challenge.Richard_Nabavi said:Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
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They will want absolute pure BRINO, revocation or a second referendum.Richard_Nabavi said:Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
Otherwise she’s back battling with her own party.0 -
Hmm, she's not talking to the nation either, given that the football is in BBC1.Big_G_NorthWales said:TM from Downing Street is talking to the Nation over the heads of politicians
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Nor me. Laura K is so shit she has turned me to ITV. Quite happy there. Tom B and Pezza very entertaining.Big_G_NorthWales said:
BBC 24 hour news is the main one these daysBenpointer said:Theresa relegated to BBC2
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Has May actually said 'Nothing has changed' recently, or is that just the tone of her comments? I hope she has the balls to say it for real.0
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What earthly difference does it make if the LDs support it or not?Benpointer said:
I cannot speak for him obviously but I would have thought the LDems could offer to support her deal provided it is sanctioned by a 2nd Ref. Why is that so hard for the government to accept?kle4 said:
Not that a vote is itself unreasonable, but isn't he essentially saying the government must do exactly what he wants? What exactly will be be willing to concede on in exchange for the PM conceding to a vote?Scott_P said:
Also, I was very excited by the words 'New LD Leader' before hope was dashed.0 -
To the media. And here she comesMaxPB said:
Hmm, she's not talking to the nation either, given that the football is in BBC1.Big_G_NorthWales said:TM from Downing Street is talking to the Nation over the heads of politicians
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Trying to make it people vs parliament. Not going to work. Not least since she doesn't want a vote!0
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I don't think she should have been allowed to have the government crest on for this speech.0
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A speech she could and should have given in 20170
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Oooh door open to Jezza.0
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NOTHING HAS CHANGED CHANGED NOTHING CHANGED HAS NOTHING CHANGED NOTHING.0
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Totally pointless.0
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WTF?!0
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May, mad, bad or both?0
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Well that was hardly worth staying up for!0
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She's wrong that MPs know they need to get this done. Half already are prepared to remain and thus ensure it is not done for a start.0
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Is that it!!??0
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Short and sweet and embarrased Corbyn0
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Well, I'm reassured.0
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Doesn't sound like she has a Plan B to me0
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She said nothing. NOTHING!0
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What was that about? She really doesn't get it does she.0
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Embarrassed herself. Pure maybot.Big_G_NorthWales said:Short and sweet and embarrased Corbyn
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Time for Dominic Grieve to sort it out.0
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That was weird.0
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Bless you Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:Short and sweet and embarrased Corbyn
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Seriously Tories, you need to get rid. We’re going nowhere with May.0
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To be fair she was not talking to uskle4 said:Well, I'm reassured.
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She just told the public that she literally has no fricking idea what to do next.
I guess that's +10 points for honesty but -1000 points in confidence.0 -
I think she looks ill.
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Laura K is very good.Anazina said:
Nor me. Laura K is so shit she has turned me to ITV. Quite happy there. Tom B and Pezza very entertaining.Big_G_NorthWales said:
BBC 24 hour news is the main one these daysBenpointer said:Theresa relegated to BBC2
I never watch BBC 1 for news
I remember similar jibes about toenails Robinson, or lefty Andy Marr, during the previous administration in the past. I might have even joined in at times.
Goes with the territory.0 -
Who was she talking to then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be fair she was not talking to uskle4 said:Well, I'm reassured.
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Possible explanations:Black_Rook said:...if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so...
* Isn't there some kind of weird game theory thing that predicts this: a bad outcome because nobody can agree on the good?
* Some MPs actually want the chaos
* Some MPs are too stupid to understand the implications
* Some MPs are sufficiently wealthy to be insulated from the bad effects and have insufficient incentive to avoid them.
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Her periodic mad scenes are becoming more subdued.FF43 said:That was weird.
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Well, at least Big G liked it. There's always a silver lining.0
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I will defend on that point. What exactly did she not get there? It was a short, pretty pointless statement, but the only clear part was she was claiming to be open to discussions with other parties and would be doing so tomorrow to try to come up with something. Is that not what parliament has told her they want? So she did get it.Fenman said:What was that about? She really doesn't get it does she.
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iBenpointer said:
Who was she talking to then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be fair she was not talking to uskle4 said:Well, I'm reassured.
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Back in the day, Laura K had quite a fan base on here. Sadly, she hasn't grown into the role.Anazina said:
Nor me. Laura K is so shit she has turned me to ITV. Quite happy there. Tom B and Pezza very entertaining.Big_G_NorthWales said:
BBC 24 hour news is the main one these daysBenpointer said:Theresa relegated to BBC2
I never watch BBC 1 for news0
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