OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?
Not that a vote is itself unreasonable, but isn't he essentially saying the government must do exactly what he wants? What exactly will be be willing to concede on in exchange for the PM conceding to a vote?
Also, I was very excited by the words 'New LD Leader' before hope was dashed.
I cannot speak for him obviously but I would have thought the LDems could offer to support her deal provided it is sanctioned by a 2nd Ref. Why is that so hard for the government to accept?
Well they know remain would win, obviously. Or fear it a great deal at any rate. Still seems the only path parliament might accept though, but no doubt we'll have more rushing off to Brussels to get freshly pissed on.
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
Even then, we'll be fine - with our easy trade deal with the Asteroid Belt
Indeed. The universe is full of stars so it is ridiculous to suggest we need the light and heat from the sun.
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
"We are sick of this "Sun" controlling our every movement. Even when it is night and day! We demand the right to chart our own orbit, and negotiate bespoke orbits with other stellar bodies the length and breadth of the Galaxy.
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
"We are sick of this "Sun" controlling our every movement. Even when it is night and day! We demand the right to chart our own orbit, and negotiate bespoke orbits with other stellar bodies the length and breadth of the Galaxy.
We'll soon see how the sun needs us more than we need it!
I simply cannot bear to hear another of Mrs May’s Potemkin speeches. The only one I want to hear from her is “I resign”, followed by Corbyn saying the same thing.
The other way round would be better for one's blood pressure.
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?
We hold all the cards. Without us, the sun would just be some nameless star than no-one had ever heard of.
Well of course he does, but the also wants May to be the one that gets the blame for it. As long as No Deal is a possibility, Labour must ensure that it remains HER that drives us over the cliff edge. That's why Labour can't be in a formal negotiation process with May as long as she's still driving us towards the cliff edge.
I absolutely agree. If no deal brexit happens the tories will own it at GE after GE after GE for 29 years.
So when someone demands it is taken off the table they a) wouldn’t be able to explain exactly how b) not all that bothered if they don’t.
It’s called politics.
Even if she technically could, some way still not explained to us, by all accounts about half the party membership and not much under a third of her MPs don’t want her to, so it simply isn’t going to happen. Instead the government will go big on no deal planning from tonight onwards. Maybe a few will leave the cabinet, such as Gauke might walk. Apart from that not much will happen now till Monday.
Well of course he does, but the also wants May to be the one that gets the blame for it. As long as No Deal is a possibility, Labour must ensure that it remains HER that drives us over the cliff edge. That's why Labour can't be in a formal negotiation process with May as long as she's still driving us towards the cliff edge.
I absolutely agree. If no deal brexit happens the tories will own it at GE after GE after GE for 29 years.
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?
We hold all the cards. Without us, the sun would just be some nameless star than no-one had ever heard of.
Mark my words, if we don't stop the Sun's obsessive control of us now one day it will expand and swallow us whole!
Not that a vote is itself unreasonable, but isn't he essentially saying the government must do exactly what he wants? What exactly will be be willing to concede on in exchange for the PM conceding to a vote?
Also, I was very excited by the words 'New LD Leader' before hope was dashed.
I cannot speak for him obviously but I would have thought the LDems could offer to support her deal provided it is sanctioned by a 2nd Ref. Why is that so hard for the government to accept?
Well they know remain would win, obviously. Or fear it a great deal at any rate. Still seems the only path parliament might accept though, but no doubt we'll have more rushing off to Brussels to get freshly pissed on.
You can't, unless you can abrogate the rule of logic which says that the complement of "no deal" is "a deal". Schrodinger's cat gets too much airtime recently, but tthe point is that you can't be in favour of a superposition of incompatible deals, which is what those who "oppose No Deal" think they can do.
Revoking A50 would change the default, just saying.
I simply cannot bear to hear another of Mrs May’s Potemkin speeches. The only one I want to hear from her is “I resign”, followed by Corbyn saying the same thing.
The other way round would be better for one's blood pressure.
I'm hoping she announces that she and Corbyn are going to decide Brexit in the Thunderdome.
All this "take no deal off the table" stuff is really annoying.
If we're going for the table metaphor, we're not allowed to have an empty table; the only way to take something off is to put something else on. You can't say, take this off and then we'll talk about what else to put on.
All this "take no deal off the table" stuff is really annoying.
If we're going for the table metaphor, we're not allowed to have an empty table; the only way to take something off is to put something else on. You can't say, take this off and then we'll talk about what else to put on.
It's an incredibly transparent political ploy, even as refusing to rule out switching to backing no deal is an obvious ploy of May's. Difference is the former will work. It's just about making no deal only May's fault.
OH HOLY F*****G S**T. EVERYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH THE POUND TAKES A BATH. WHAT IS IT THIS TIME? ELECTION? RESIGNATION? GONU? WAR WITH SATURN? CAN'T YOU LAY OFF THE DRAMA FOR A FEW DAYS GODSDAMMIT?! I CAN ONLY COPE WITH ONE B****Y EMERGENCY AT A TIME.
Genuinely lol'd, particularly at war with Saturn :-D
I'll have you know I have many relatives among the secret alien denizens of Saturn and I find that highly offensive.
I for one welcome our new Saturnian overlords.
They couldn’t be any worse, could they?
As long as they're not planning a vote to pull Earth out of the Solar Union, can't see how
Surely Earth could do so much better than being a vassal planet of the Sun?
We hold all the cards. Without us, the sun would just be some nameless star than no-one had ever heard of.
Mark my words, if we don't stop the Sun's obsessive control of us now one day it will expand and swallow us whole!
The lack of planning in never getting round to building a Dyson sphere is to blame.
Parliament contains 650 members, of whom perhaps about 100 (a few dozen ERG and fellow travellers, the DUP, and Corbyn and a handful of Labour palaeosocialists) are eager, or at least willing, to accept No Deal.
The other 550 or so, about 85% of all MPs, are frightened of Hard Brexit. Most or all of them, it would appear, view Brexit as the biggest challenge to come before Parliament since 1945, and they also regard No Deal as anything between highly undesirable and downright catastrophic in economic terms.
Through their command of an overwhelming Parliamentary majority, they possess the means to avert Hard Brexit at any time - yet, as things stand, there is an excellent chance that Andrew Bridgen, Nadine Dorries and friends will checkmate all of them in about 70 days' time.
Regardless of how well or badly No Deal goes, if it indeed comes to pass then this will constitute one of the most profound collective failures of leadership by the political class in British history. Because, if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so and emerge with one shred of credibility left? It would be as if the 1940 Parliament had allowed the country to be invaded because they were all too busy having an argument over which branch of the armed forces to prioritise in preparing the national defence.
Dunno about you, but I can't help feeling that this reaching out to other parties malarkey ain't gonna go too well...
May needs to give in to someone, then face the consequences of that. There's nothing coming from the EU to save her (it was clear after the summer break when the much trailer positive noises from the EU did not appear that they were going to stick with playing hardball), so time for her to pick the least unpalatable option and see how much closer that gets her to passing a vote.
I simply cannot bear to hear another of Mrs May’s Potemkin speeches. The only one I want to hear from her is “I resign”, followed by Corbyn saying the same thing.
The other way round would be better for one's blood pressure.
I'm hoping she announces that she and Corbyn are going to decide Brexit in the Thunderdome.
Because, if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so and emerge with one shred of credibility left? ..
The biggest mistake we are making is believing they are genuine about thinking it a disaster. The actions of MPs do not bear that out. They clearly think it will be bad. But not so bad they need to compromise to a deal, or referendum, or whatever. Not yet anyway.
Oh screw the Cabinet. If May and they have not already agreed a position to that and other issues then they are not even a cohesive group for even basic contingency planning, so what bloody good are they?
Not that a vote is itself unreasonable, but isn't he essentially saying the government must do exactly what he wants? What exactly will be be willing to concede on in exchange for the PM conceding to a vote?
Also, I was very excited by the words 'New LD Leader' before hope was dashed.
I cannot speak for him obviously but I would have thought the LDems could offer to support her deal provided it is sanctioned by a 2nd Ref. Why is that so hard for the government to accept?
What earthly difference does it make if the LDs support it or not?
Nor me. Laura K is so shit she has turned me to ITV. Quite happy there. Tom B and Pezza very entertaining.
Laura K is very good.
I remember similar jibes about toenails Robinson, or lefty Andy Marr, during the previous administration in the past. I might have even joined in at times.
...if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so...
Possible explanations:
* Isn't there some kind of weird game theory thing that predicts this: a bad outcome because nobody can agree on the good? * Some MPs actually want the chaos * Some MPs are too stupid to understand the implications * Some MPs are sufficiently wealthy to be insulated from the bad effects and have insufficient incentive to avoid them.
What was that about? She really doesn't get it does she.
I will defend on that point. What exactly did she not get there? It was a short, pretty pointless statement, but the only clear part was she was claiming to be open to discussions with other parties and would be doing so tomorrow to try to come up with something. Is that not what parliament has told her they want? So she did get it.
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So when someone demands it is taken off the table they a) wouldn’t be able to explain exactly how b) not all that bothered if they don’t.
It’s called politics.
Even if she technically could, some way still not explained to us, by all accounts about half the party membership and not much under a third of her MPs don’t want her to, so it simply isn’t going to happen. Instead the government will go big on no deal planning from tonight onwards. Maybe a few will leave the cabinet, such as Gauke might walk. Apart from that not much will happen now till Monday.
Smarts say let’s bank some sleep.
If we're going for the table metaphor, we're not allowed to have an empty table; the only way to take something off is to put something else on. You can't say, take this off and then we'll talk about what else to put on.
My grandma (RIP) used to tell a fable about that Richard. “Oh you bogger, everyone out of step except you?”
I never watch BBC 1 for news
Dilemma
Parliament contains 650 members, of whom perhaps about 100 (a few dozen ERG and fellow travellers, the DUP, and Corbyn and a handful of Labour palaeosocialists) are eager, or at least willing, to accept No Deal.
The other 550 or so, about 85% of all MPs, are frightened of Hard Brexit. Most or all of them, it would appear, view Brexit as the biggest challenge to come before Parliament since 1945, and they also regard No Deal as anything between highly undesirable and downright catastrophic in economic terms.
Through their command of an overwhelming Parliamentary majority, they possess the means to avert Hard Brexit at any time - yet, as things stand, there is an excellent chance that Andrew Bridgen, Nadine Dorries and friends will checkmate all of them in about 70 days' time.
Regardless of how well or badly No Deal goes, if it indeed comes to pass then this will constitute one of the most profound collective failures of leadership by the political class in British history. Because, if they genuinely believe No Deal to be an unthinkable disaster then, given that they have the means to prevent it, how can they - simply for want of the ability to agree a common plan - fail to do so and emerge with one shred of credibility left? It would be as if the 1940 Parliament had allowed the country to be invaded because they were all too busy having an argument over which branch of the armed forces to prioritise in preparing the national defence.
I mean, honestly...
Losing out to Derby County is a cross we have all bore, sadly.
Southampton and Derby more important than the PM
Switched to ITV.
She is not talking to those of us on this forum
(In case you are wondering that bit was in invisible ink on the ballot paper)
Otherwise she’s back battling with her own party.
Otherwise it was entirely pointless.
I guess that's +10 points for honesty but -1000 points in confidence.
I remember similar jibes about toenails Robinson, or lefty Andy Marr, during the previous administration in the past. I might have even joined in at times.
Goes with the territory.
* Isn't there some kind of weird game theory thing that predicts this: a bad outcome because nobody can agree on the good?
* Some MPs actually want the chaos
* Some MPs are too stupid to understand the implications
* Some MPs are sufficiently wealthy to be insulated from the bad effects and have insufficient incentive to avoid them.
The nation not us politicos