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  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Is there anything to be said for giving chaos with Ed Miliband a try?
  • ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    I was told off for vnoc last night and corrected to vonc !!!!!
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    Most MPs are terrified of Hard Brexit. If it comes to pass then they've only themselves to blame.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Which one are we having a division on?
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    DavidL said:

    Which one are we having a division on?

    The Baron amendment.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    DavidL said:

    Which one are we having a division on?

    F for Freddie...
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    So just the Baron amendment being voted on.

    Tabled by Tory MP John Baron, it seeks to give the UK the right to terminate the Irish border backstop without having to secure the agreement of the EU.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627

    DavidL said:

    Which one are we having a division on?

    The Baron amendment.
    Gives consent to the deal provided the Withdrawal Agreement is amended so that the UK can terminate the Northern Ireland Protocol unilaterally.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    My prediction is a loss by 204
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Ruining all the fun though
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited January 2019

    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    I was told off for vnoc last night and corrected to vonc !!!!!
    That's what I typed, but it seems to have autocorrected (or automisspelled).

    Don't know why. There are some weird ones. 'Calibre' kept becoming 'Cali breaking' earlier.
  • Gardenwalker
    Gardenwalker Posts: 22,433
    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    Brave. You are predicting few / no abstentions then.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    I was told off for vnoc last night and corrected to vonc !!!!!
    That's what I typed, but it seems to have autocorrected.

    Don't know why. There are some weird ones. 'Calibre' kept becoming 'Cali breaking' earlier.
    It is so easy
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    165 here. Still monstrous, but missing the record.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    Most MPs are terrified of Hard Brexit. If it comes to pass then they've only themselves to blame.
    I don't mind blaming them. It's the fact the rest of us have to live with their mind bending stupidity, complacency and dishonesty I object to.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229

    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    Brave. You are predicting few / no abstentions then.
    I don’t think abstentions will keep associations happy.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    dixiedean said:

    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    165 here. Still monstrous, but missing the record.
    Losing the record by 1.

    Sad!
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    No idea who BBC Parliament has employed to offer commentary tonight - but they are not even trying to hide their own biases.
  • Gardenwalker
    Gardenwalker Posts: 22,433
    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    For reference, the Baron amendment says

    At end, add “subject to changes being made in the Withdrawal Agreement and in
    the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol so that the UK has the right to terminate the
    Protocol without having to secure the agreement of the EU.


    Doomed.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    stjohn said:

    So just the Baron amendment being voted on.

    Tabled by Tory MP John Baron, it seeks to give the UK the right to terminate the Irish border backstop without having to secure the agreement of the EU.

    I don't see how that even makes sense.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    188 for me
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Unless it's that nerve agent from Star Trek: Nemesis, it's not going to make much difference.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Nothing. She might be right about everything, it still doesn't matter if parliament doesn't accept that she is right.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Has anyone every been born in the No lobby?
  • Stereotomy
    Stereotomy Posts: 4,092

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    I don't know, but whatever it is you've already taken too much of it!
  • Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    To be fair she has delayed her c section and should have been paired or given a proxy vote
  • Gardenwalker
    Gardenwalker Posts: 22,433

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    I don't know, but whatever it is you've already taken too much of it!
    Hehe.
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    No idea who BBC Parliament has employed to offer commentary tonight - but they are not even trying to hide their own biases.

    They need someone to counterbalance Andrew Neil who in my days at the BBC would not have been allowed anywhere near such high profiles roles.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    To be fair she has delayed her c section and should have been paired or given a proxy vote
    She was offered a pair - and turned it down.

    I don't believe in proxy votes - never have, never will.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    dixiedean said:

    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    165 here. Still monstrous, but missing the record.
    Losing the record by 1.

    Sad!
    I think my prediction of 195 will result in her setting a record which will stand the test of time. The circumstances where a PM takes a vote forward when so firmly opposed will be limited.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited January 2019
    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    I don't see how. It is important, and nothing she says will change that or the outcome. Nothing she says will mitigate that an important vote has been humiliatingly lost. There's enough to actually criticise her about without stuff like that.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    No idea who BBC Parliament has employed to offer commentary tonight - but they are not even trying to hide their own biases.

    They need someone to counterbalance Andrew Neil who in my days at the BBC would not have been allowed anywhere near such high profiles roles.
    Neil isn't doing BBC Parliament
  • Nemtynakht
    Nemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    ydoethur said:

    It's amazing to reflect that after the last few years of hatred and division Theresa May tonight has united the House of Commons and the wider country.

    It is disturbing to reflect she has done so by delivering on their instructions, getting an extremely good deal that actually should satisfy most requirements, and the had them all shout that this isn't what they wanted.

    What does that say about us as a nation?

    It’s easier to be against something. We live in times where we are used to getting exactly what we we want. Repeatedly we have heard that May should have tried to get a consensus, but labour policy is that we need an election and Corbyn to renegotiate - not sure how she could get Labour or SNP (Scotland wants remain) on board.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    I don't see how. It is important, and nothing she says will change that or the outcome. Nothing she says will mitigate that an important vote has been humiliatingly lost. There's enough to actually criticise her about without stuff like that.
    I tend to agree personally.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    edited January 2019
    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    What has she got to lose?

    The only thing I can think of is that she plans to resign tonight and tell the Remainers that thanks to their posturing, the EU has decided to bring forward our departure date to tomorrow - so we leave with no Deal.

    Then having so thoroughly shat all over her enemies so they will never, ever stop smelling of it, she will walk away cackling with laughter.

    Shame about the rest of us.
  • solarflare
    solarflare Posts: 4,052
    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    Would be insanely quicker...but zero theatre :-D
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    624 - high turnout.
  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    600-24 😆
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
  • 24 - 600 Hope TM does better than that
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    ydoethur said:

    It's amazing to reflect that after the last few years of hatred and division Theresa May tonight has united the House of Commons and the wider country.

    It is disturbing to reflect she has done so by delivering on their instructions, getting an extremely good deal that actually should satisfy most requirements, and the had them all shout that this isn't what they wanted.

    What does that say about us as a nation?

    It’s easier to be against something. We live in times where we are used to getting exactly what we we want. Repeatedly we have heard that May should have tried to get a consensus, but labour policy is that we need an election and Corbyn to renegotiate - not sure how she could get Labour or SNP (Scotland wants remain) on board.
    As I recall, she did invite Corbyn for talks on a way forward, and he publicly emailed her a copy of his manifesto, saying 'If you do this I'll support you.'
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    He who controls the machines controls the result. Bodies are harder to fake.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Is she one of these too posh to push Hampstead mummies? Also, postponing the date of her C-section seems silly. It's not as if the vote is close. And doesn't it mess the NHS around? Or is she going private?

    Frankly turning up for an hour to make a speech and vote is hardly hard work.

    With my third, I worked up to the Friday and he was born at 6 am on the Monday, on the due date.

    Anyway, she's MP for a very Remainy constituency so what the hell is she doing voting against the deal and making no deal more likely?
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    What has she got to lose?

    The only thing I can think of is that she plans to resign tonight and tell the Remainers that thanks to their posturing, the EU has decided to bring forward our departure date to tomorrow - so we leave with no Deal.

    Then having so thoroughly shat all over her enemies so they will never, ever stop smelling of it, she will walk away calling with laughter.

    Shame about the rest of us.
    That would hardly be sh%tting on her main enemies, the ERG.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Ooh, finally a spread on the vote. I’d sell at 217, would rather have sold at 222 earlier today though, damn work and life getting in the way of PB as usual. This looks like it’s going to be over earlier than expected tonight?
  • Harris_Tweed
    Harris_Tweed Posts: 1,340
    The Burton Albion of parliamentary amendments.
  • 24 - 600 Hope TM does better than that

    I am ready, man! Ready to get it on! :)
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    The ERG said they'd vote against all the amendments anyway.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    I remember watching the Scottish Parliament a couple of years ago when they had the vote on indyref2, and how strange it seemed that they voted and announced the result within a minute, compared to the ridiculous circus they have at Westminster whenever they vote on something.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Danny565 said:

    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    I remember watching the Scottish Parliament a couple of years ago when they had the vote on indyref2, and how strange it seemed that they voted and announced the result within a minute, compared to the ridiculous circus they have at Westminster whenever they vote on something.
    Most of the time it is harmless.
  • Stereotomy
    Stereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Is there still time for a whip to run in and yell "tomorrow"?
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    What has she got to lose?

    The only thing I can think of is that she plans to resign tonight and tell the Remainers that thanks to their posturing, the EU has decided to bring forward our departure date to tomorrow - so we leave with no Deal.

    Then having so thoroughly shat all over her enemies so they will never, ever stop smelling of it, she will walk away calling with laughter.

    Shame about the rest of us.
    That would hardly be sh%tting on her main enemies, the ERG.
    Oh it would. It really, really would.

    They would have to explain how wrong they were...

    At least Remainer MPs like Labour only have to admit they're as thick as pigshit.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    :lol:
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That would be a drag for a bloke.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited January 2019
    Cyclefree said:


    Anyway, she's MP for a very Remainy constituency so what the hell is she doing voting against the deal and making no deal more likely?

    Seeking remain. MPs do not fear no deal as much as they pretend they do, they are very happy to risk it in order to get remain. Or they outright want no deal at least like the ERG.
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Danny565 said:

    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    I remember watching the Scottish Parliament a couple of years ago when they had the vote on indyref2, and how strange it seemed that they voted and announced the result within a minute, compared to the ridiculous circus they have at Westminster whenever they vote on something.
    The procedures are literally built into the fabric of the Palace of Westminster. If it burned down they'd take the chance to do a bit of modernisation. Probably.
  • DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    He who controls the machines controls the result. Bodies are harder to fake.
    Hey, Beverley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... :)
  • DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    Bit ludicrous as an argument. She could hardly stand up and say, "You think THIS vote is important? You wait until the second reading of the Collective Defined Contributions Pensions Bill next week... that'll be a humdinger!"

    There isn't scope to downplay it, so why bother? Put up the best show you can, and hope some of the public at least say, "She's doing her level best - it's those c*cks behind and in front of her who are the problem."
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
  • Gardenwalker
    Gardenwalker Posts: 22,433
    edited January 2019
    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Anyway, she's MP for a very Remainy constituency so what the hell is she doing voting against the deal and making no deal more likely?

    Seeking remain. MPs do not fear no deal as much as they pretend they do, they are very happy to risk it in order to get remain. Or they outright want no deal at least like the ERG.
    Or like her leader she wants no deal because it makes a Labour government more likely.

  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    She probably learnt a lesson from the way Jo Swinson was treated.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
  • Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
  • 24 - 600 Hope TM does better than that

    And that's why Barron insisted on a division - he wanted to lay down such a poor marker that the spin operation later can try and say "it got more votes than the amendment did".

    Taking one for the team!
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    She probably learnt a lesson from the way Jo Swinson was treated.
    Yes, she's explicitly said as much.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    I think Baron was able to insist.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    For giggles?
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    Offered a pair by Julian Smith. Right.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    The Speaker gave Baron several opportunities to reconsider, but Baron insisted. Ultimately, it is every member's right to demand a division, no matter how futile.
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213

    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
    She should have appealed to Labour MPs and said she was.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290

    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
    If she wants to survive Brexit not happening, she needs to avoid being seen as responsible for betraying the referendum.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951

    Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras

    She shouldn't have to be there.

    Tory Shisters
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras

    Perhaps her aunt is seeing if May can go down to a bigger defeat than her opponents managed. She might be wondering how even when she rigs elections she ends with lower winning margins than this.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    Offered a pair by Julian Smith. Right.
    The very same Julian Smith who swore blind they would win this vote?
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    The Speaker gave Baron several opportunities to reconsider, but Baron insisted. Ultimately, it is every member's right to demand a division, no matter how futile.
    So you're saying it was Baron's knight?
  • Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras

    She shouldn't have to be there.

    Tory Shisters
    fake news
  • DavidL said:

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
    They normally use monikers, so how would you know? :lol:
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
    She should have appealed to Labour MPs and said she was.
    18 months too late.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited January 2019
    Nandy voted No to May's deal because she didn't like May's tone today. I would have voted on the merits or otherwise of the deal.
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    DavidL said:

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
    Seahorses have more gumption than the current HoC
  • Gardenwalker
    Gardenwalker Posts: 22,433
    Farron and Duncan Smith exchanging a few laffs there. It’s all shits and giggles, isn’t it?
  • A lot of MPs standing? Don't they have enough seats in the HoC?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Prediction:

    Ayes 215
    Noes 413
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234

    A lot of MPs standing? Don't they have enough seats in the HoC?

    No. The House only seats 400 people.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    DavidL said:

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
    Seahorses have more gumption than the current HoC
    And more sense.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    Offered a pair by Julian Smith. Right.
    No - it was direct contact from Andrea Leadsom. This would have been played utterly down the line - but it was rebuffed.
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