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edited January 2019 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » On the spread betting markets the number of Brexit deal “ayes” for TMay’s deal slips five during the afternoon

For me the most satisfying, if risky, form of political gambling is on the spread betting markets where the more you are right with your prediction the more you win – with, alas, of the converse being the case.

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  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    “No deal is better than a bad deal.”
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    edited January 2019
    “Nothing has changed. “
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,773
    edited January 2019
    2nd.

    3rd
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    edited January 2019
    “Brexit means Brexit”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,773
    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.130766060

    "UK - Brexit - UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019?

    Yes 5
    No 1.24"
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    FPT

    Royal Blue

    Tough, if you can’t email because of the brilliant GDPR, you shouldn’t be able to spam me with your wasteful printed propaganda either. Do something better with your time. Cry me a river.

    Oxford Simon

    Sorry to hear about your mum. Agree entirely.

  • Jonathan said:

    “No deal is better than a bad deal.”

    Precisely. I hope those words rebound in her head and taste like ash in her mouth as this is a bad deal.
  • In case anyone is confused, there's a mistake in Mike's piece: fourth paragraph should be:

    If you bet at that level and the outcome was, say, 210 MPs then you would win the difference between the actual outcome and your bet – in this case seven, times your stake level. The worse it is for Mrs May the more money you would make.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Only 4 out of 14 amendments selected?! Why so restrictive, anyone know?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2019

    Only 4 out of 14 amendments selected?! Why so restrictive, anyone know?

    @grabcocque gave a rather good explanation on the midday thread (1.11pm).
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Agreed he's surprisingly hesitant.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    DavidL

    FPT

    I know. Bonkers on stilts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    What the hell is Corbyn talking about?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    AndyJS said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.130766060

    "UK - Brexit - UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019?

    Yes 5
    No 1.24"

    Yes is already value and will be superb value by last orders (am in the pub)
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    There is still nothing of substance from Labour about what their version of Brexit would actually look like. And what their plan would be if the EU were to reject their offer.

    I'm hoping May immediately calls a GE when the deal is voted down tonight.

    Watch the remainers absolutely sh*t themselves.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    In case anyone is confused, there's a mistake in Mike's piece: fourth paragraph should be:

    If you bet at that level and the outcome was, say, 210 MPs then you would win the difference between the actual outcome and your bet – in this case seven, times your stake level. The worse it is for Mrs May the more money you would make.

    Thanks you for that - fixed
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    @MikeSmithson

    Thank you for the article. We don't have many articles about the types of betting, and things like this are interesting
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,469
    Bercow’s tie 👌
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    We should vote against the deal because it won't solve child poverty in the UK....right.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,773
    Typically shouty, crap speech from Jezza.

    May up now.
  • Corbyn's position is quite spectacularly incoherent. No wonder he's struggling a bit.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    Anazina said:

    AndyJS said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.130766060

    "UK - Brexit - UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019?

    Yes 5
    No 1.24"

    Yes is already value and will be superb value by last orders (am in the pub)
    I am quietly appalled by this. The bigger the defeat, the lower the probability of leaving on time? People are cray-cray... :(
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Only 4 out of 14 amendments selected?! Why so restrictive, anyone know?

    @grabcocque gave a rather good explanation on the midday thread (1.11pm).
    Thanks - just had a quick trawl but can't find it. Never mind it will all be history soon.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
    Bit harsh on 3 year olds in my experience.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Jonathan said:

    “No deal is better than a bad deal.”

    Precisely. I hope those words rebound in her head and taste like ash in her mouth as this is a bad deal.
    This was back in that halcyon days when May's main concern was showing the right wing press what a badass she was. Around the time she started wearing a leather jacket and got "GO HOME" tattooed on the backs of her fingers.
  • Theresa May stands up, to loud and sustained applause from Conservatives.

    Oh dear, that's a very bad sign.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Agreed he's surprisingly hesitant.
    Mrs May is more impressive. She has rehearsed. But she looks exhausted and no wonder. This might swing a few votes (at OGH's expense).
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
    I have nothing other than contempt for the current House of Commons.

    The petty posturing and preening that has been displayed by too many members is only matched by their refusal to actually engage with the reality of the situation they are facing.

    Far too much bloviating. Far too little reason.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
    Bit harsh on 3 year olds in my experience.
    Well, I did say stupid ones.
  • Only 4 out of 14 amendments selected?! Why so restrictive, anyone know?

    @grabcocque gave a rather good explanation on the midday thread (1.11pm).
    Thanks - just had a quick trawl but can't find it. Never mind it will all be history soon.
    Here's what he said:

    The Speaker's job is to select which amendments are in order, effective and likely to command the support of the house. Most of the amendments were wrecking amendments, and wrecking amendments are never in order.

    As for the Swire and Murrison amendments, they were both ineffective, as they tried to bind the EU to act in a certain way (which Parliament cannot do) or to attempt to redraft the WA to say something it does not (which directly contradicts the government's legal obligations and would therefore be unconscionable to do).

    The Mann amendment was not selected due to lack of support in the house. After Labour, the ERG and the DUP all declined to support it, it would have been futile to put it to the house.

    Once again, if the House finds fault with the way the Speaker selects amendments, they are welcome to move an early day motion and resolve that the house has no confidence in him and a new speaker would be elected.

    But I think we all know the House would resolve it still very much has confidence in the Speaker.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,773

    Theresa May stands up, to loud and sustained applause from Conservatives.

    Oh dear, that's a very bad sign.

    :lol:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
    I have nothing other than contempt for the current House of Commons.

    The petty posturing and preening that has been displayed by too many members is only matched by their refusal to actually engage with the reality of the situation they are facing.

    Far too much bloviating. Far too little reason.
    Again, I think I feel hatred as well as contempt.

    If every one of these tossers loses their seats, good riddance. We need a clearout.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Agreed he's surprisingly hesitant.
    Mrs May is more impressive. She has rehearsed. But she looks exhausted and no wonder. This might swing a few votes (at OGH's expense).
    She certainly has rehearsed - she's delivered this speech at least 10 times already.
  • Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Agreed he's surprisingly hesitant.
    Mrs May is more impressive. She has rehearsed. But she looks exhausted and no wonder. This might swing a few votes (at OGH's expense).
    She certainly has rehearsed - she's delivered this speech at least 10 times already.
    But what's the point - it's not going to sway anyone
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    I'm not up for big risks, which is a shame as I think I'd do quite well on number of ayes. I think it will just creep over 200.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752
    viewcode said:

    Anazina said:

    AndyJS said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.130766060

    "UK - Brexit - UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019?

    Yes 5
    No 1.24"

    Yes is already value and will be superb value by last orders (am in the pub)
    I am quietly appalled by this. The bigger the defeat, the lower the probability of leaving on time? People are cray-cray... :(
    It makes a certain amount of sense if people are taking it as axiomatic that a No Deal exit is unlikely. In that case the only way we'll leave on time is if May's deal is approved. The bigger the defeat, the less likely that is.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Only 4 out of 14 amendments selected?! Why so restrictive, anyone know?

    @grabcocque gave a rather good explanation on the midday thread (1.11pm).
    Thanks - just had a quick trawl but can't find it. Never mind it will all be history soon.
    Here's what he said:

    The Speaker's job is to select which amendments are in order, effective and likely to command the support of the house. Most of the amendments were wrecking amendments, and wrecking amendments are never in order.

    As for the Swire and Murrison amendments, they were both ineffective, as they tried to bind the EU to act in a certain way (which Parliament cannot do) or to attempt to redraft the WA to say something it does not (which directly contradicts the government's legal obligations and would therefore be unconscionable to do).

    The Mann amendment was not selected due to lack of support in the house. After Labour, the ERG and the DUP all declined to support it, it would have been futile to put it to the house.

    Once again, if the House finds fault with the way the Speaker selects amendments, they are welcome to move an early day motion and resolve that the house has no confidence in him and a new speaker would be elected.

    But I think we all know the House would resolve it still very much has confidence in the Speaker.

    Thanks
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    kle4 said:

    I'm not up for big risks, which is a shame as I think I'd do quite well on number of ayes. I think it will just creep over 200.

    There should be many ayes on Westminster, but we all have our faces in our hands.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    The People's Vote crowd have an impressive turnout in Parliament Square. I wonder how this influences proceedings in the House?

    https://twitter.com/WinstonsBack/status/1085227083666780167

    This kind of post is the problem I have with peoples vote. You see hardly anyone calling for peoples vote who wants to leave. And drumming up a crowd in London to support Remain is like shooting fish in a barrel. Try doing in Stoke then you can say it’s the will of the people
    Well there's always an angle that enables you to dismiss people you disagree with. Who cares what muesli eating Londoners think? Who cares what the old and uneducated think?

    But the fact is that it is looking like the whole Brexit process is going to be played out while parliament is surrounded by crowds highly motivated to oppose it. The last time crowds took that much interest was the Great Reform Act.

    Well yes I agree people are interest3d but my assertion is that just because you can get a crowd of people in London supporting a People’s Vote (remain by another name), it isn’t exactly some sort of show of support, just like if you did a petition in Stoke or anther strong leave area for Leave it would get lots of leavers signing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    May seems to think a GE would be in the interests of Jezza.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited January 2019
    SunnyJim said:

    There is still nothing of substance from Labour about what their version of Brexit would actually look like. And what their plan would be if the EU were to reject their offer.

    I'm hoping May immediately calls a GE when the deal is voted down tonight.

    Watch the remainers absolutely sh*t themselves.

    Experience to date suggests that May will simply wait a few days, perhaps visit Brussels to obtain a letter that contains nothing new, and then come back and put the same Deal to Parliament again.

    I stand to be proven wrong by events (I have been often enough in the past, after all,) but unless or until there's a revolt somewhere on the Government side then nothing will change, and the clock will continue to tick down. And neither the ERG wing, nor the DUP with their crucial votes, have any incentive to rock the boat under such circumstances. If the clock simply runs down to zero without Parliament caving in and backing the Withdrawal Agreement, then they get everything that they want.

    If a majority exists in Parliament for staying in the EU, then the various groups within it are only going to get their way by working together. I very much doubt that the current Prime Minister will expedite their wishes.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Jonathan said:

    “No deal is better than a bad deal.”

    Precisely. I hope those words rebound in her head and taste like ash in her mouth as this is a bad deal.
    This was back in that halcyon days when May's main concern was showing the right wing press what a badass she was. Around the time she started wearing a leather jacket and got "GO HOME" tattooed on the backs of her fingers.

    It was the head shaving and the white laces in the Doc Martens that, for me, represent the zenith of her powers
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,469
    It’s almost like it’s Prime Minister’s Questions!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    You'll be pleased to hear that in my local election 'campaign' (ha ha) last year I delivered precisely zero pieces of literature.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Interesting intervention from Sir Edward. Is that enough for him?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    It’s almost like it’s Prime Minister’s Questions!

    Hell's bells, that bad?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    May seems to think a GE would be in the interests of Jezza.

    What did she say?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Javid wondering if its his turn yet.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    FPT:
    Cyclefree said:

    RobD said:

    Rule out No Deal - and you rule out ANY chance of the EU blinking frst.

    Which is why negotaition by House of Commons is stupid. In a commercial negotaition, you have a small team undertaking that negotiation, reporting to the Board (Cabinet). Ultimately the CEO (PM) will carry the can if that fails . But what you can NEVER have is not just every member of the Board giving direction - but every shareholder (MP) too.

    In a commercial negotiation, the negotiators are given a clear set of objectives and constraints. Our negotiators have no clue what the end position is because our government has no clue.

    The last two years have been a total waste of everyone's time. Whatever we settle on will be caused by force of circumstance rather than achieving what we wanted.
    The end position is immaterial, the EU are refusing to negotiate on that until we are a third party.
    I was referring to the Withdrawal Agreement. I suspect we also have not got the faintest idea about the next stage either and we will send another bunch of uninformed unfortunates to sit in Brussels to face a well-prepared EU team.

    Frankly, I am getting to the point were I am amazed that those in govt can actually manage to write their names without help.
    Why haven't we set up our party yet? I mean: we could wipe the floor with the numpties in government. We have cats and other animals and your bacon rind all ready to take on their Cabinet jobs. What is stopping us?

    I know, I know: we have a life and too much common-sense etc.
    I am not sure about the common-sense, but I certainly have a life unlike those in Numptyville, SW1 where they seem to ignore reality and hatch second rate plots and schemes.


    Oh well, back to shoes: I have found a new website selling some utterly delightful ones and they are most diligent in sending me enticing looking emails. I have enough shoes left for the rest of my life - but, still.......

    That is great news on the shoes, because you can never have too many. I am redoing my clothes collection at the minute and considering a new set of colours now that I spend less time schmoozing the business / corporate lifestyle, so the work gray / black / blues / (insert subdued colour here) are going and stronger colours that suit me are "in".

    I expect to have bags of fun. :-)
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621
    edited January 2019
    DavidL said:

    Interesting intervention from Sir Edward. Is that enough for him?

    I don't think so. It means she is prepared to develop his ideas on the backstop with him for a second go with her deal but she'll only do that if her deal is voted down this evening. Why would he vote for it?

    I must say he seemed very pleased with her response and looked approvingly back at his colleagues almost with a wink.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    edited January 2019
    RobD said:

    May seems to think a GE would be in the interests of Jezza.

    What did she say?
    Something like 'The LOTO calls for a GE; I am interested in delivering what's good for the country, not what's good for the LOTO".

    Edit: the Guardian has it as "May refers to Corbyn’s call for a general election. But this is about what is best for the country, not what is best for Labour."
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    You'll be pleased to hear that in my local election 'campaign' (ha ha) last year I delivered precisely zero pieces of literature.
    Glad to hear it.

    Flame over!
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
    Agreed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,626
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
    I have nothing other than contempt for the current House of Commons.

    The petty posturing and preening that has been displayed by too many members is only matched by their refusal to actually engage with the reality of the situation they are facing.

    Far too much bloviating. Far too little reason.
    Again, I think I feel hatred as well as contempt.

    If every one of these tossers loses their seats, good riddance. We need a clearout.
    +1
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,773
    May right on Jezza's complete failure to oppose with an alternative.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Ooh she's gone all creaky.

    She thinks it's all over.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Barnesian said:

    DavidL said:

    Interesting intervention from Sir Edward. Is that enough for him?

    I don't think so. It means she is prepared to develop his ideas on the backstop with him for a second go with her deal but she'll only do that if her deal is voted down this evening. Why would he vote for it?

    I must say he seemed very pleased with her response and looked approvingly back at his colleagues almost with a wink.
    Like everyone else he has to judge who might replace her and whether that is likely to be more or less amenable to his point of view. I still think it is her future that is at stake here.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,626

    Theresa May stands up, to loud and sustained applause from Conservatives.

    Oh dear, that's a very bad sign.

    The fond farewell?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    Theresa May stands up, to loud and sustained applause from Conservatives.

    Oh dear, that's a very bad sign.

    The "you did your best" pity applause.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    It's amazing to reflect that after the last few years of hatred and division Theresa May tonight has united the House of Commons and the wider country.

    It is disturbing to reflect she has done so by delivering on their instructions, getting an extremely good deal that actually should satisfy most requirements, and the had them all shout that this isn't what they wanted.

    What does that say about us as a nation?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    You'll be pleased to hear that in my local election 'campaign' (ha ha) last year I delivered precisely zero pieces of literature.
    Glad to hear it.

    Flame over!
    Cheers. Have a good evening.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Amazing to think that by bed time Parliament will have decided once and for all whether it's pronounced Breggsit or Brecksit.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
    Our local paper did that last year for all of the council election candidates.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Jezza seems to have invested in a shiny new tie for this big evening.

    He's struggling a bit. Stumbling. I don't think he's pre-read or rehearsed his speech.
    Jezza is at his best when facing an adoring crowd at a rally. Alas he's in the Commons
    I dunno, the Commons right now seems to be demonstrating approximately the same intellectual calibre and grasp of reality as the average Jezz-adoring crowd, or indeed rather stupid three year old.
    I have nothing other than contempt for the current House of Commons.

    The petty posturing and preening that has been displayed by too many members is only matched by their refusal to actually engage with the reality of the situation they are facing.

    Far too much bloviating. Far too little reason.
    Again, I think I feel hatred as well as contempt.

    If every one of these tossers loses their seats, good riddance. We need a clearout.
    +1
    +1
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,742

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
    I find the nuances in personal literature between the items included by the candidate vs the party manifesto quite useful.

    For instance, I could vote for Nicky Morgan, but not for Andrew Bridgen, though they nominally are in the same party in adjacent constituencies.

    I also like to see some effort made for my vote. If a candidate cannot be arsed to get a leaflet through my door, I cannot be arsed to vote for them.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    All four amendments plus the MV itself are going to fail this evening aren't they.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    ydoethur said:


    What does that say about us as a nation?

    It says we as a nation don't take kindly to people who decide for us what we want, without bothering to ask us, and then try to blackmail us into supporting it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Amazing to think that by bed time Parliament will have decided once and for all whether it's pronounced Breggsit or Brecksit.

    I would say my feelings on the state of our democracy are more at the Bricksit stage.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,732

    Amazing to think that by bed time Parliament will have decided once and for all whether it's pronounced Breggsit or Brecksit.

    I don't remember anyone pronouncing Grexit "Greggsit" back when it was a thing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    This is going quickly...
  • Going straight to vote, nearly
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Theresa May is at her absolute worst when she starts demanding people "come together".
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876

    Ooh she's gone all creaky.

    She thinks it's all over.

    It was not her worst speech, you rarely hear that level of passion from her.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:


    What does that say about us as a nation?

    It says we as a nation don't take kindly to people who decide for us what we want, without bothering to ask us, and then try to blackmail us into supporting it.
    We were asked, Tim. We had this funny thing called a referendum.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Twit.
  • Division
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
    Our local paper did that last year for all of the council election candidates.
    That is all that is necessary - introduce the candidates, the policies and let the voters digest. We do not need fake headlines, fake bar charts. And if a lie is found, the candidate(s) would be forced to issue a constituency/ward wide document retracting the lie and issuing a formal apology.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Pointless ego division.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,732
    Does this mean the meaningful vote will come much earlier than expected?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
  • Does this mean the meaningful vote will come much earlier than expected?

    Yes
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Does this mean the meaningful vote will come much earlier than expected?

    Yes, next.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
    Our local paper did that last year for all of the council election candidates.
    That is all that is necessary - introduce the candidates, the policies and let the voters digest. We do not need fake headlines, fake bar charts. And if a lie is found, the candidate(s) would be forced to issue a constituency/ward wide document retracting the lie and issuing a formal apology.
    The SNP candidate for Orkney would probably consider that insufficient.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Laura Kuenssberg doing her "unofficial spokesman for the Prime Minister" schtick.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,469

    Laura Kuenssberg doing her "unofficial spokesman for the Prime Minister" schtick.

    Oh give it a rest.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Theresa May stands up, to loud and sustained applause from Conservatives.

    Oh dear, that's a very bad sign.

    The "you did your best" pity applause.
    Not even that - many in the 100 don't think she tried at all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Sandy Rentool of this forum spent several evenings pushing xenophobic Leave propaganda about Syrians through people’s letterboxes that - as he proudly told us on here - he knew to be a lie.

    Case closed on political junk mail. Bin it.

    No I did not. I posted leaflets referencing the £350 million - nothing about Syria.
    Apologies.

    However, you did trumpet on here that you knew that to be a lie.

    And you still pushed it through letterboxes.
    When your opponents are claiming that the end of western civilization is nigh, the truth has already taken a back seat.
    Thanks for proving my point. Political ‘literature’ aka propaganda/lies that gets pushed through the letterboxes of householders is a waste of paper, and a waste of a life for those who do it. It’s mostly lies. Get rid of it.
    I would be happy to receive a document that carried a summary of the party policies being put forward in their manifesto, a short biography and photograph of the candidate plus a personal statement from the candidate. That is all that is necessary. It would be the same for all candidates - same format, distributed at the same time.
    For our Town Council elections, candidates do often share distribution - each taking a stack of the others' leaflets and pushing them through letterboxes together with their own. Everyone seems to have been scrupulously honest so far...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Just a thought - is Onasanya voting tonight?
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