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  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Is there anything to be said for giving chaos with Ed Miliband a try?
  • ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    I was told off for vnoc last night and corrected to vonc !!!!!
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    Most MPs are terrified of Hard Brexit. If it comes to pass then they've only themselves to blame.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Which one are we having a division on?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    DavidL said:

    Which one are we having a division on?

    The Baron amendment.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    DavidL said:

    Which one are we having a division on?

    F for Freddie...
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    So just the Baron amendment being voted on.

    Tabled by Tory MP John Baron, it seeks to give the UK the right to terminate the Irish border backstop without having to secure the agreement of the EU.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    DavidL said:

    Which one are we having a division on?

    The Baron amendment.
    Gives consent to the deal provided the Withdrawal Agreement is amended so that the UK can terminate the Northern Ireland Protocol unilaterally.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    My prediction is a loss by 204
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Ruining all the fun though
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited January 2019

    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    I was told off for vnoc last night and corrected to vonc !!!!!
    That's what I typed, but it seems to have autocorrected (or automisspelled).

    Don't know why. There are some weird ones. 'Calibre' kept becoming 'Cali breaking' earlier.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    Brave. You are predicting few / no abstentions then.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    I was told off for vnoc last night and corrected to vonc !!!!!
    That's what I typed, but it seems to have autocorrected.

    Don't know why. There are some weird ones. 'Calibre' kept becoming 'Cali breaking' earlier.
    It is so easy
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    165 here. Still monstrous, but missing the record.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    Corbyn amendment not moved.
    SNP amendment not moved.
    Leigh amendment not moved.

    Presume they know they will not pass.
    Nothing will pass. Not the deal, not revoke, not even a vnoc, or a new government.

    Which is why no deal is now red hot favourite.
    Most MPs are terrified of Hard Brexit. If it comes to pass then they've only themselves to blame.
    I don't mind blaming them. It's the fact the rest of us have to live with their mind bending stupidity, complacency and dishonesty I object to.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    Brave. You are predicting few / no abstentions then.
    I don’t think abstentions will keep associations happy.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    dixiedean said:

    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    165 here. Still monstrous, but missing the record.
    Losing the record by 1.

    Sad!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    No idea who BBC Parliament has employed to offer commentary tonight - but they are not even trying to hide their own biases.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    For reference, the Baron amendment says

    At end, add “subject to changes being made in the Withdrawal Agreement and in
    the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol so that the UK has the right to terminate the
    Protocol without having to secure the agreement of the EU.


    Doomed.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    stjohn said:

    So just the Baron amendment being voted on.

    Tabled by Tory MP John Baron, it seeks to give the UK the right to terminate the Irish border backstop without having to secure the agreement of the EU.

    I don't see how that even makes sense.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,626
    188 for me
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Unless it's that nerve agent from Star Trek: Nemesis, it's not going to make much difference.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Nothing. She might be right about everything, it still doesn't matter if parliament doesn't accept that she is right.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Has anyone every been born in the No lobby?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    I don't know, but whatever it is you've already taken too much of it!
  • Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    To be fair she has delayed her c section and should have been paired or given a proxy vote
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    I don't know, but whatever it is you've already taken too much of it!
    Hehe.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    No idea who BBC Parliament has employed to offer commentary tonight - but they are not even trying to hide their own biases.

    They need someone to counterbalance Andrew Neil who in my days at the BBC would not have been allowed anywhere near such high profiles roles.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    To be fair she has delayed her c section and should have been paired or given a proxy vote
    She was offered a pair - and turned it down.

    I don't believe in proxy votes - never have, never will.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    dixiedean said:

    Mortimer said:

    My prediction is a loss by 204

    165 here. Still monstrous, but missing the record.
    Losing the record by 1.

    Sad!
    I think my prediction of 195 will result in her setting a record which will stand the test of time. The circumstances where a PM takes a vote forward when so firmly opposed will be limited.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited January 2019
    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    I don't see how. It is important, and nothing she says will change that or the outcome. Nothing she says will mitigate that an important vote has been humiliatingly lost. There's enough to actually criticise her about without stuff like that.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    No idea who BBC Parliament has employed to offer commentary tonight - but they are not even trying to hide their own biases.

    They need someone to counterbalance Andrew Neil who in my days at the BBC would not have been allowed anywhere near such high profiles roles.
    Neil isn't doing BBC Parliament
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    ydoethur said:

    It's amazing to reflect that after the last few years of hatred and division Theresa May tonight has united the House of Commons and the wider country.

    It is disturbing to reflect she has done so by delivering on their instructions, getting an extremely good deal that actually should satisfy most requirements, and the had them all shout that this isn't what they wanted.

    What does that say about us as a nation?

    It’s easier to be against something. We live in times where we are used to getting exactly what we we want. Repeatedly we have heard that May should have tried to get a consensus, but labour policy is that we need an election and Corbyn to renegotiate - not sure how she could get Labour or SNP (Scotland wants remain) on board.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    I don't see how. It is important, and nothing she says will change that or the outcome. Nothing she says will mitigate that an important vote has been humiliatingly lost. There's enough to actually criticise her about without stuff like that.
    I tend to agree personally.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited January 2019
    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    What has she got to lose?

    The only thing I can think of is that she plans to resign tonight and tell the Remainers that thanks to their posturing, the EU has decided to bring forward our departure date to tomorrow - so we leave with no Deal.

    Then having so thoroughly shat all over her enemies so they will never, ever stop smelling of it, she will walk away cackling with laughter.

    Shame about the rest of us.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    Would be insanely quicker...but zero theatre :-D
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    624 - high turnout.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,469
    600-24 😆
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
  • 24 - 600 Hope TM does better than that
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    It's amazing to reflect that after the last few years of hatred and division Theresa May tonight has united the House of Commons and the wider country.

    It is disturbing to reflect she has done so by delivering on their instructions, getting an extremely good deal that actually should satisfy most requirements, and the had them all shout that this isn't what they wanted.

    What does that say about us as a nation?

    It’s easier to be against something. We live in times where we are used to getting exactly what we we want. Repeatedly we have heard that May should have tried to get a consensus, but labour policy is that we need an election and Corbyn to renegotiate - not sure how she could get Labour or SNP (Scotland wants remain) on board.
    As I recall, she did invite Corbyn for talks on a way forward, and he publicly emailed her a copy of his manifesto, saying 'If you do this I'll support you.'
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    He who controls the machines controls the result. Bodies are harder to fake.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Is she one of these too posh to push Hampstead mummies? Also, postponing the date of her C-section seems silly. It's not as if the vote is close. And doesn't it mess the NHS around? Or is she going private?

    Frankly turning up for an hour to make a speech and vote is hardly hard work.

    With my third, I worked up to the Friday and he was born at 6 am on the Monday, on the due date.

    Anyway, she's MP for a very Remainy constituency so what the hell is she doing voting against the deal and making no deal more likely?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    What has she got to lose?

    The only thing I can think of is that she plans to resign tonight and tell the Remainers that thanks to their posturing, the EU has decided to bring forward our departure date to tomorrow - so we leave with no Deal.

    Then having so thoroughly shat all over her enemies so they will never, ever stop smelling of it, she will walk away calling with laughter.

    Shame about the rest of us.
    That would hardly be sh%tting on her main enemies, the ERG.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Ooh, finally a spread on the vote. I’d sell at 217, would rather have sold at 222 earlier today though, damn work and life getting in the way of PB as usual. This looks like it’s going to be over earlier than expected tonight?
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    The Burton Albion of parliamentary amendments.
  • 24 - 600 Hope TM does better than that

    I am ready, man! Ready to get it on! :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,736
    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    The ERG said they'd vote against all the amendments anyway.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    I remember watching the Scottish Parliament a couple of years ago when they had the vote on indyref2, and how strange it seemed that they voted and announced the result within a minute, compared to the ridiculous circus they have at Westminster whenever they vote on something.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Danny565 said:

    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    I remember watching the Scottish Parliament a couple of years ago when they had the vote on indyref2, and how strange it seemed that they voted and announced the result within a minute, compared to the ridiculous circus they have at Westminster whenever they vote on something.
    Most of the time it is harmless.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Is there still time for a whip to run in and yell "tomorrow"?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    What has she got to lose?

    The only thing I can think of is that she plans to resign tonight and tell the Remainers that thanks to their posturing, the EU has decided to bring forward our departure date to tomorrow - so we leave with no Deal.

    Then having so thoroughly shat all over her enemies so they will never, ever stop smelling of it, she will walk away calling with laughter.

    Shame about the rest of us.
    That would hardly be sh%tting on her main enemies, the ERG.
    Oh it would. It really, really would.

    They would have to explain how wrong they were...

    At least Remainer MPs like Labour only have to admit they're as thick as pigshit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    :lol:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That would be a drag for a bloke.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited January 2019
    Cyclefree said:


    Anyway, she's MP for a very Remainy constituency so what the hell is she doing voting against the deal and making no deal more likely?

    Seeking remain. MPs do not fear no deal as much as they pretend they do, they are very happy to risk it in order to get remain. Or they outright want no deal at least like the ERG.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Danny565 said:

    DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    I remember watching the Scottish Parliament a couple of years ago when they had the vote on indyref2, and how strange it seemed that they voted and announced the result within a minute, compared to the ridiculous circus they have at Westminster whenever they vote on something.
    The procedures are literally built into the fabric of the Palace of Westminster. If it burned down they'd take the chance to do a bit of modernisation. Probably.
  • DavidL said:

    Why don't we have electronic voting? This is pretty ridiculous.

    He who controls the machines controls the result. Bodies are harder to fake.
    Hey, Beverley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... :)
  • DavidL said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Sky suggesting that ramping up the importance of the vote when you are expecting a hammering was, well, unwise.
    Bit ludicrous as an argument. She could hardly stand up and say, "You think THIS vote is important? You wait until the second reading of the Collective Defined Contributions Pensions Bill next week... that'll be a humdinger!"

    There isn't scope to downplay it, so why bother? Put up the best show you can, and hope some of the public at least say, "She's doing her level best - it's those c*cks behind and in front of her who are the problem."
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited January 2019
    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Anyway, she's MP for a very Remainy constituency so what the hell is she doing voting against the deal and making no deal more likely?

    Seeking remain. MPs do not fear no deal as much as they pretend they do, they are very happy to risk it in order to get remain. Or they outright want no deal at least like the ERG.
    Or like her leader she wants no deal because it makes a Labour government more likely.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    She probably learnt a lesson from the way Jo Swinson was treated.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
  • Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
  • 24 - 600 Hope TM does better than that

    And that's why Barron insisted on a division - he wanted to lay down such a poor marker that the spin operation later can try and say "it got more votes than the amendment did".

    Taking one for the team!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    She probably learnt a lesson from the way Jo Swinson was treated.
    Yes, she's explicitly said as much.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    I think Baron was able to insist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    For giggles?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    Offered a pair by Julian Smith. Right.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    The Speaker gave Baron several opportunities to reconsider, but Baron insisted. Ultimately, it is every member's right to demand a division, no matter how futile.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
    She should have appealed to Labour MPs and said she was.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,736

    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
    If she wants to survive Brexit not happening, she needs to avoid being seen as responsible for betraying the referendum.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,680

    Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras

    She shouldn't have to be there.

    Tory Shisters
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras

    Perhaps her aunt is seeing if May can go down to a bigger defeat than her opponents managed. She might be wondering how even when she rigs elections she ends with lower winning margins than this.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    Offered a pair by Julian Smith. Right.
    The very same Julian Smith who swore blind they would win this vote?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Are there slightly fewer complete lunatics in Parliament than we thought? What an arse.

    Huh? Did I miss something?
    24 votes for Baron's ludicrous amendment.
    If it was defeated by that much, why did the Speaker let it go forward?
    The Speaker gave Baron several opportunities to reconsider, but Baron insisted. Ultimately, it is every member's right to demand a division, no matter how futile.
    So you're saying it was Baron's knight?
  • Tulip Siddiq constantly putting herself where she can be seen by the TV cameras

    She shouldn't have to be there.

    Tory Shisters
    fake news
  • DavidL said:

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
    They normally use monikers, so how would you know? :lol:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    May’s speech was fantastic.
    Great to see the contempt for Corbyn dripping from her words.

    This is her moment. She has done her damndest. One by one she explained why no other option is viable, including any meaningful renegotiation with the EU.

    She looked confident to me, even triumphant.

    What does she have up her sleeve?

    Disagree. May was nominally appealing to Labour MPs to vote with her for the good of the country but spent her effort on trashing Corbyn. Many Labour MPs are doubtful about Corbyn, nevertheless he's one of them. If May insults Corbyn she insults them too.
    She wasn’t appealing to Labour MPs, she felt the hand of history on her shoulder. She was appealing to posterity.

    Fascinating stuff.
    She should have appealed to Labour MPs and said she was.
    18 months too late.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    edited January 2019
    Nandy voted No to May's deal because she didn't like May's tone today. I would have voted on the merits or otherwise of the deal.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    DavidL said:

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
    Seahorses have more gumption than the current HoC
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Farron and Duncan Smith exchanging a few laffs there. It’s all shits and giggles, isn’t it?
  • A lot of MPs standing? Don't they have enough seats in the HoC?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Prediction:

    Ayes 215
    Noes 413
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    A lot of MPs standing? Don't they have enough seats in the HoC?

    No. The House only seats 400 people.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    DavidL said:

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    Male seahorses have the babies :)
    But they don't contribute much to PB or the HoC, on the whole.
    Seahorses have more gumption than the current HoC
    And more sense.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Tulip Siddiq seems to be milking the attention for as much as she can get. She is far from the only pregnant woman to have been working right up to her due date.

    Have you had many pregnancies Simon?
    That doesn't matter. She was offered a pair - and declined. This is about playing politics - nothing else.
    Offered a pair by Julian Smith. Right.
    No - it was direct contact from Andrea Leadsom. This would have been played utterly down the line - but it was rebuffed.
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