I think we should remember this man, when a Tory MP next tells us we have "record numbers of people in employment".
This man was part of those record numbers.
Did things like this not happen between 1997 and 2010?
They happened a lot more, homelessness was much higher then.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
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Not everything isescapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilsessingthem low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Street beggars are rarely homeless (except in some of the large urban areas), no forces people should be sleeping rough, they are entitled to priority status.
There’s been lots of sensible changes over the last couple of years in how local authorities handle homelessness. The automatic response used to be when someone turns up and says the landlord is evicting them, stay put and if you leave before the courts order you out you’ll be classed as intentionally homeless and not entitled to support.
Such a situation. Is bad for the landlord, fudges up the credit and background checks for the tenant. This is no longer the case.
There are enough beds for everyone "homeless". But it is more than the availability of beds that causes people to sleep rough.
Most certainly. But when help is offered and refused they stop being a victim and become a nuisance that need moved on.
A lot of them can't just snap out of it.
You sound like a Tory.
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And the ones from the rest of the Eu (40% of London roigh sleepers from Eu) should be deported.
Around 75% of rough sleepers have serious psychosis and subtsance abuse issues, and therefore probably aren't really capable of just "snapping out of it".
And the rest will tend to develop them very quickly. Sleeping rough is not healthy for one's mental wellbeing.
Life in Tory Britain, where a homeless man can be found dying metres away from the entrance to Parliament. He had a job, but couldn't afford to live in London on what he was earning. He collapsed near the revolving doors into Parliament, a victim of the cold. Died in hospital.
I think we should remember this man, when a Tory MP next tells us we have "record numbers of people in employment".
This man was part of those record numbers.
Did things like this not happen between 1997 and 2010?
They happened a lot more, homelessness was much higher then.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end up homeless the numbers of our forces are just too small to explain changes like that. Did we not have 8k in Afghanistan for most of that period? Obviously on rotation but out of something like 80k in all. You are talking hundreds (which is far too many of course).
What we also had was approximately 3.5m eastern Europeans, many of them low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but this is very special.
We have hit rock Brexit bottom: Brendan O'Neill delivering the *worst possible* take on
The rest of your post is supeflous. O'Neill always delivers the worst take on any subject, although I will treause his worst possible take on the Conservative-DUP alliance.
I genuinely want to know why the Living Marxism crowd have such ludicrous outsized influence in the UK media.
Around 75% of rough sleepers have serious psychosis and subtsance abuse issues, and therefore probably aren't really capable of just "snapping out of it".
And the rest will tend to develop them very quickly. Sleeping rough is not healthy for one's mental wellbeing.
Living in a hostel is not that great either. Rough sleeping is more a result of unsuitable mental health provision than a lack of beds.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end up homeless the numbers of our forces are just too small to explain changes like that. Did we not have 8k in Afghanistan for most of that period? Obviously on rotation but out of something like 80k in all. You are talking hundreds (which is far too many of course).
What we also had was approximately 3.5m eastern Europeans, many of them low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
Thanks. If we assume that 3/4 of the 8% who refused to disclose their nationality were non British that would suggest that 26% of the rough sleepers were non UK nationals, massively disproportional to their numbers overall.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but this is very special.
We have hit rock Brexit bottom: Brendan O'Neill delivering the *worst possible* take on
The rest of your post is supeflous. O'Neill always delivers the worst take on any subject, although I will treause his worst possible take on the Conservative-DUP alliance.
I genuinely want to know why the Living Marxism crowd have such ludicrous outsized influence in the UK media.
Did it turn out recently that O'Neill is bankrolled by Koch Media?
From Living Marxism to Nazi Billionaires in two decades. Quite the journey for our Brendan.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end up homeless the numbers of our forces are just too small to explain changes like that. Did we not have 8k in Afghanistan for most of that period? Obviously on rotation but out of something like 80k in all. You are talking hundreds (which is far too many of course).
What we also had was approximately 3.5m eastern Europeans, many of them low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
Thanks. If we assume that 3/4 of the 8% who refused to disclose their nationality were non British that would suggest that 26% of the rough sleepers were non UK nationals, massively disproportional to their numbers overall.
Why does their nationality matter so much? Human beings, on the streets of London, human beings on the streets of Edinburgh, human beings on the streets of Paris.
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
After the war we had adequate social housing provision and a functional social safety net.
There was massive shortage of housing after each of the World Wars and the welfare state was far less developed back then.
I don't know the true answer, but I suspect it might be "because we locked people with PTSD away in asylums instead of letting them die of hypothermia and heroin overdoses in Westminster gutters".
Around 75% of rough sleepers have serious psychosis and subtsance abuse issues, and therefore probably aren't really capable of just "snapping out of it".
And the rest will tend to develop them very quickly. Sleeping rough is not healthy for one's mental wellbeing.
There is a cause and effect problem there but care in the community has been a disaster for many of the least capable of our society.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end up homeless the numbers of our forces are just too small to explain changes like that. Did we not have 8k in Afghanistan for most of that period? Obviously on rotation but out of something like 80k in all. You are talking hundreds (which is far too many of course).
What we also had was approximately 3.5m eastern Europeans, many of them low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
Thanks. If we assume that 3/4 of the 8% who refused to disclose their nationality were non British that would suggest that 26% of the rough sleepers were non UK nationals, massively disproportional to their numbers overall.
Why does their nationality matter so much? Human beings, on the streets of London, human beings on the streets of Edinburgh, human beings on the streets of Paris.
That shouldnt be here. We’ve always had beggars, itinerants and vagrants. The opening of borders made us a magnet for the ones from Eastern Europe.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end up homeless the numbers of our forces are just too small to explain changes like that. Did we not have 8k in Afghanistan for most of that period? Obviously on rotation but out of something like 80k in all. You are talking hundreds (which is far too many of course).
What we also had was approximately 3.5m eastern Europeans, many of them low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
Thanks. If we assume that 3/4 of the 8% who refused to disclose their nationality were non British that would suggest that 26% of the rough sleepers were non UK nationals, massively disproportional to their numbers overall.
Why does their nationality matter so much? Human beings, on the streets of London, human beings on the streets of Edinburgh, human beings on the streets of Paris.
I would think nationality matters only in so much as if there is disproportion we need to get to the bottom of why that is in order to try to do something about it.
Life in Tory Britain, where a homeless man can be found dying metres away from the entrance to Parliament. He had a job, but couldn't afford to live in London on what he was earning. He collapsed near the revolving doors into Parliament, a victim of the cold. Died in hospital.
I think we should remember this man, when a Tory MP next tells us we have "record numbers of people in employment".
This man was part of those record numbers.
Did things like this not happen between 1997 and 2010?
They happened a lot more, homelessness was much higher then.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
The support network (now often left to the regiments themselves) and, sadly, the scale and type of combat. The UK was engaged in war fighting for over ten years. Prior to that it was low intensity operations. The latter took its toll but not in as great a number.
Edit: I think also the world wars were "all inclusive" events. Not a dirty little secret.
"How would you vote if the choice was between the government EU deal and staying in the EU?" Remain: 53% (+5) Leave: 47% (-5) +/- with 2016 Brexit vote Fieldwork: 24/10/18-06/11/18 Sample: 8,154
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
It did. It's just been forgotten about.
One of the reasons the Attlee government struggled in 1950 was that it had failed to build enough houses to meet demand, although more recent scholarship has suggested the perception they failed on this was a bit unfair (and certainly they faced an impossible task given the huge extent of the war damage and the growth in households). Twenty thousand people squatted in army barracks in 1946, for want of anywhere better.
And after World War One, matters were far worse - even though the physical damage was less.
Why does their nationality matter so much? Human beings, on the streets of London, human beings on the streets of Edinburgh, human beings on the streets of Paris.
If we don't otherise and dehumanise immigrants, we might stop hating them and start treating them with compassion and dignity, and frankly that sort of behaviour has no place in Global Britain.
Life in Tory Britain, where a homeless man can be found dying metres away from the entrance to Parliament. He had a job, but couldn't afford to live in London on what he was earning. He collapsed near the revolving doors into Parliament, a victim of the cold. Died in hospital.
I think we should remember this man, when a Tory MP next tells us we have "record numbers of people in employment".
This man was part of those record numbers.
For some reason you didn't mention this fact:
' The man, believed to be a 45-year-old Hungarian national called Gyula Remef '
I wonder how much of the increase in homelessness is due to freedom of movement from Eastern Europe. In my part of London there were hardly any homeless and now there are dozens sleeping near the canals etc all from Eastern Europe.
"How would you vote if the choice was between the government EU deal and staying in the EU?" Remain: 53% (+5) Leave: 47% (-5) +/- with 2016 Brexit vote Fieldwork: 24/10/18-06/11/18 Sample: 8,154
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
After the war we had adequate social housing provision and a functional social safety net.
There was massive shortage of housing after each of the World Wars and the welfare state was far less developed back then.
I don't know the true answer, but I suspect it might be "because we locked people with PTSD away in asylums instead of letting them die of hypothermia and heroin overdoses in Westminster gutters".
Yet we didn't lock hundreds of thousands with PTSD away in asylums after the World Wars did we.
Now I wonder if the people who join the military now are already susceptible to the potential problems which lead to homelessness.
Whereas when the military was raised from mass conscription the number of ex servicemen with these potential problems was proportionally much, much smaller.
Yes it was for much of that period but between 2003 and 2010 it was reduced by 70%. It has sadly risen back up again by over 45% since then (figures for England only)
The population has of course increased by more than 10% since 2004, almost exclusively as a result of immigration. Given our housebuilding record over that period and that influx it is frankly surprising that homelessness has not increased by more.
Not everything is about immigration David. That increase and those dates correlate quite well with our military escapades abroad and the flow of returning and retiring soldiers who are over represented amongst the homeless.
Whilst it is a depressing fact that too many ex service men end up homeless the numbers of our forces are just too small to explain changes like that. Did we not have 8k in Afghanistan for most of that period? Obviously on rotation but out of something like 80k in all. You are talking hundreds (which is far too many of course).
What we also had was approximately 3.5m eastern Europeans, many of them low paid, young, not a little vulnerable and away from family support networks. It is unusual to find a beggar in Edinburgh with English as a first language.
Estimates are around 6,000 - 13,000.
So potentially a large slug of the 20,000 increase since 2009.
Afghan kicked off again in 2006 and that (a 3-5 year engagement) would correlate with the 2009 increase.
I have no firm stats on that. Are there stats on immigrant homelessness?
Why does their nationality matter so much? Human beings, on the streets of London, human beings on the streets of Edinburgh, human beings on the streets of Paris.
That shouldnt be here. We’ve always had beggars, itinerants and vagrants. The opening of borders made us a magnet for the ones from Eastern Europe.
"How would you vote if the choice was between the government EU deal and staying in the EU?" Remain: 53% (+5) Leave: 47% (-5) +/- with 2016 Brexit vote Fieldwork: 24/10/18-06/11/18 Sample: 8,154
Life in Tory Britain, where a homeless man can be found dying metres away from the entrance to Parliament. He had a job, but couldn't afford to live in London on what he was earning. He collapsed near the revolving doors into Parliament, a victim of the cold. Died in hospital.
I think we should remember this man, when a Tory MP next tells us we have "record numbers of people in employment".
This man was part of those record numbers.
For some reason you didn't mention this fact:
' The man, believed to be a 45-year-old Hungarian national called Gyula Remef '
I wonder how much of the increase in homelessness is due to freedom of movement from Eastern Europe. In my part of London there were hardly any homeless and now there are dozens sleeping near the canals etc all from Eastern Europe.
30% of all rough sleeping in London is accounted for by the accession countries of the east.
"How would you vote if the choice was between the government EU deal and staying in the EU?" Remain: 53% (+5) Leave: 47% (-5) +/- with 2016 Brexit vote Fieldwork: 24/10/18-06/11/18 Sample: 8,154
"How would you vote if the choice was between the government EU deal and staying in the EU?" Remain: 53% (+5) Leave: 47% (-5) +/- with 2016 Brexit vote Fieldwork: 24/10/18-06/11/18 Sample: 8,154
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but this is very special.
We have hit rock Brexit bottom: Brendan O'Neill delivering the *worst possible* take on
The rest of your post is supeflous. O'Neill always delivers the worst take on any subject, although I will treause his worst possible take on the Conservative-DUP alliance.
I genuinely want to know why the Living Marxism crowd have such ludicrous outsized influence in the UK media.
Did it turn out recently that O'Neill is bankrolled by Koch Media?
From Living Marxism to Nazi Billionaires in two decades. Quite the journey for our Brendan.
I have seen a theory that the LM clique are still really True Believers but have decided the best way to advance the Revolution is to do everything they can from within capitalism to make it so unbearable that the proles finally revolt.
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
After the war we had adequate social housing provision and a functional social safety net.
There was massive shortage of housing after each of the World Wars and the welfare state was far less developed back then.
I don't know the true answer, but I suspect it might be "because we locked people with PTSD away in asylums instead of letting them die of hypothermia and heroin overdoses in Westminster gutters".
Yet we didn't lock hundreds of thousands with PTSD away in asylums after the World Wars did we.
Now I wonder if the people who join the military now are already susceptible to the potential problems which lead to homelessness.
Whereas when the military was raised from mass conscription the number of ex servicemen with these potential problems was proportionally much, much smaller.
PTSD was very common after ww2. It wasnt called that of course. Iirc my own grandfather ended up admitted for a period of time for whatever euphemism it was given at the time.
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
After the war we had adequate social housing provision and a functional social safety net.
There was massive shortage of housing after each of the World Wars and the welfare state was far less developed back then.
I don't know the true answer, but I suspect it might be "because we locked people with PTSD away in asylums instead of letting them die of hypothermia and heroin overdoses in Westminster gutters".
Yet we didn't lock hundreds of thousands with PTSD away in asylums after the World Wars did we.
Now I wonder if the people who join the military now are already susceptible to the potential problems which lead to homelessness.
Whereas when the military was raised from mass conscription the number of ex servicemen with these potential problems was proportionally much, much smaller.
PTSD was very common after ww2. It wasnt called that of course. Iirc my own grandfather ended up admitted for a period of time for whatever euphemism it was given at the time.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but this is very special.
We have hit rock Brexit bottom: Brendan O'Neill delivering the *worst possible* take on
The rest of your post is supeflous. O'Neill always delivers the worst take on any subject, although I will treause his worst possible take on the Conservative-DUP alliance.
I genuinely want to know why the Living Marxism crowd have such ludicrous outsized influence in the UK media.
Did it turn out recently that O'Neill is bankrolled by Koch Media?
From Living Marxism to Nazi Billionaires in two decades. Quite the journey for our Brendan.
I have seen a theory that the LM clique are still really True Believers but have decided the best way to advance the Revolution is to do everything they can from within capitalism to make it so unbearable that the proles finally revolt.
The Times’ Brussels correspondent is also from the LM clique and has consistently written rubbish about the EU being ready to concede on everything.
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
After the war we had adequate social housing provision and a functional social safety net.
There was massive shortage of housing after each of the World Wars and the welfare state was far less developed back then.
I don't know the true answer, but I suspect it might be "because we locked people with PTSD away in asylums instead of letting them die of hypothermia and heroin overdoses in Westminster gutters".
Yet we didn't lock hundreds of thousands with PTSD away in asylums after the World Wars did we.
Now I wonder if the people who join the military now are already susceptible to the potential problems which lead to homelessness.
Whereas when the military was raised from mass conscription the number of ex servicemen with these potential problems was proportionally much, much smaller.
PTSD was very common after ww2. It wasnt called that of course. Iirc my own grandfather ended up admitted for a period of time for whatever euphemism it was given at the time.
I genuinely don’t grasp what the issue is here. If they can’t get a deal through parliament, what other option is there? General election I suppose, at a stretch. But Rudd is really only stating the bleeding obvious.
Either
a) deal; or b) A50 extension and deal/remain referendum.
No other options.
The decision to leave has already been made on 23/6/18 and confirmed by the HoC in March 2017 when A50 was invoked. The choice now is between May's deal or no deal, and if there is to be a referendum (which I hope there won't be), these should be the options on the ballot paper.
I genuinely don’t grasp what the issue is here. If they can’t get a deal through parliament, what other option is there? General election I suppose, at a stretch. But Rudd is really only stating the bleeding obvious.
Either
a) deal; or b) A50 extension and deal/remain referendum.
No other options.
The decision to leave has already been made on 23/6/18 and confirmed by the HoC in March 2017 when A50 was invoked. The choice now is between May's deal or no deal, and if there is to be a referendum (which I hope there won't be), these should be the options on the ballot paper.
How many times do we have to point out that MPs will never put no deal on the ballot paper.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
Edit: They should have hired Wenger for the temp period. Pogba, Martial etc he would have understood and been able to handle their sulks.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
His record as a manager in the premier league is not great. The appointment suggest they have give up on getting a top four place.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
A win at Cardiff would be good But the style of play is more important!
I genuinely don’t grasp what the issue is here. If they can’t get a deal through parliament, what other option is there? General election I suppose, at a stretch. But Rudd is really only stating the bleeding obvious.
Either
a) deal; or b) A50 extension and deal/remain referendum.
No other options.
The decision to leave has already been made on 23/6/18 and confirmed by the HoC in March 2017 when A50 was invoked. The choice now is between May's deal or no deal, and if there is to be a referendum (which I hope there won't be), these should be the options on the ballot paper.
How many times do we have to point out that MPs will never put no deal on the ballot paper.
The government can block any "remain" option being on the ballot paper. No deal is the default position if May's deal is not ratified.
In London for sure, but then London accounts for a remarkably high percentage of the membership (I can't remember the figure). Hornsey and Wood Green has the highest membership and as I recall something like 20% of the adult population in that seat are Labour members (yet the LibDems still manage to do very well there).
20% of adults in Hornsey are Labour members? Really?!? That’s a truly remarkable stat if true.
Former PBer IOS boasted about Labour having 1,600 activists working in Hornsey in 2015.
He also gave us some reports from a Crouch End coffee shop.
Yet Anazina is right to challenge the figure - doing some digging, the membership appears to have peaked at around 5,000, and is now about 4,500. Which is about 6-7%. Maybe I picked up the higher figure from one of the wards; apologies for any misleading. Nevertheless it's still an impressive figure.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
His record as a manager in the premier league is not great. The appointment suggest they have give up on getting a top four place.
I think that is impossible to achieve and expect Europa league next year
But I want attacking football back in the tradition of the club
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
A win at Cardiff would be good But the style of play is more important!
The only award Man U will be winning for stylish play is "most stylish retrieval of football from back of ones own net."
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
A win at Cardiff would be good But the style of play is more important!
I genuinely don’t grasp what the issue is here. If they can’t get a deal through parliament, what other option is there? General election I suppose, at a stretch. But Rudd is really only stating the bleeding obvious.
Either
a) deal; or b) A50 extension and deal/remain referendum.
No other options.
The decision to leave has already been made on 23/6/18 and confirmed by the HoC in March 2017 when A50 was invoked. The choice now is between May's deal or no deal, and if there is to be a referendum (which I hope there won't be), these should be the options on the ballot paper.
How many times do we have to point out that MPs will never put no deal on the ballot paper.
The government can block any "remain" option being on the ballot paper. No deal is the default position if May's deal is not ratified.
That is a different point. If there is a referendum, it won't include no deal. Because it is vague and ill-defined, because it is damaging, but most obviously because there is a clear majority against it.
Edit/ and since a referendum requires legislation, and legislation can be amended, no, the government cannot block any particular option.
I genuinely don’t grasp what the issue is here. If they can’t get a deal through parliament, what other option is there? General election I suppose, at a stretch. But Rudd is really only stating the bleeding obvious.
Either
a) deal; or b) A50 extension and deal/remain referendum.
No other options.
Well, I don't think there'll be a referendum, just as I don't think there'll be "no deal". But WA or extension are the options.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
A win at Cardiff would be good But the style of play is more important!
The only award Man U will be winning for stylish play is "most stylish retrieval of football from back of ones own net."
Your jokes are as hilarious as your opinions are sound!
What's changed to correlate military service with homelessness ?
It didn't happen after the World Wars.
After the war we had adequate social housing provision and a functional social safety net.
There was massive shortage of housing after each of the World Wars and the welfare state was far less developed back then.
I don't know the true answer, but I suspect it might be "because we locked people with PTSD away in asylums instead of letting them die of hypothermia and heroin overdoses in Westminster gutters".
Yet we didn't lock hundreds of thousands with PTSD away in asylums after the World Wars did we.
Now I wonder if the people who join the military now are already susceptible to the potential problems which lead to homelessness.
Whereas when the military was raised from mass conscription the number of ex servicemen with these potential problems was proportionally much, much smaller.
I wonder if part of the issue today is not with the men themselves but with the fact they make up such a tiny proportion of the population. After the two world wars practically every man had served in some capacity or other and so understood what their fellow soldiers had experienced. Every family had had men serving and dying or at least knew neighbours and friends who had. As such there was a communal understanding of what these men had experienced.
One of the common refrains today from ex service men who have seen combat is that no one in the community at large understands what they have been through. They feel isolated from society and so are more likely to suffer from mental issues and drop out of normal life.
Whatever the cause I believe it is incumbent upon us as a country to do far more to help these men.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
I genuinely don’t grasp what the issue is here. If they can’t get a deal through parliament, what other option is there? General election I suppose, at a stretch. But Rudd is really only stating the bleeding obvious.
Either
a) deal; or b) A50 extension and deal/remain referendum.
No other options.
The decision to leave has already been made on 23/6/18 and confirmed by the HoC in March 2017 when A50 was invoked. The choice now is between May's deal or no deal, and if there is to be a referendum (which I hope there won't be), these should be the options on the ballot paper.
How many times do we have to point out that MPs will never put no deal on the ballot paper.
The government can block any "remain" option being on the ballot paper. No deal is the default position if May's deal is not ratified.
That is a different point. If there is a referendum, it won't include no deal. Because it is vague and ill-defined, because it is damaging, but most obviously because there is a clear majority against it.
Edit/ and since a referendum requires legislation, and legislation can be amended, no, the government cannot block any particular option.
Governments often hold plebiscites with one of the options being unpalatable and/or unlikely to win, in order to confirm their preferred option in a pseudo-democratic manner.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
Nah, I've seriously fallen out of love with the Premier league. Don't really support the England men's team either. I've taken up support of Melton Rugby Club instead!
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
Nah, I've seriously fallen out of love with the Premier league. Don't really support the England men's team either. I've taken up support of Melton Rugby Club instead!
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
At a minimum it is a 5 year rebuilding job, not the team but the whole club and more like 10 years and this requires Woodward to go now. The Utd stars now send their kids to the City academy, you could not get a bigger indication of how far they have fallen.
I think there has quite rightly been some push back against the ex Services ' Homeless " trope. Ex Services *are* over represented in homeless populations especially rough sleeping but it's not as dramatic as you think. You also have to control for the demographics who join the services in the first place. Disproportionately younger men with lower levels of formal qualifications from poorer areas of BritIan who are attracted to a highly regimented lifestyle. Once you take real figures and control for demographics the gap us still there but not huge. So why ? I don't know but the anecdata suggests under treated PTSD following two high intensity morally opaque wars we lost is part of it.
In London for sure, but then London accounts for a remarkably high percentage of the membership (I can't remember the figure). Hornsey and Wood Green has the highest membership and as I recall something like 20% of the adult population in that seat are Labour members (yet the LibDems still manage to do very well there).
20% of adults in Hornsey are Labour members? Really?!? That’s a truly remarkable stat if true.
Former PBer IOS boasted about Labour having 1,600 activists working in Hornsey in 2015.
He also gave us some reports from a Crouch End coffee shop.
I don’t doubt it’s a heartland, I live close to there and can confirm that north London is very red. But 20% of the adult population strikes me as fake news.
Yes, it was 4400 last year, which I'd guess is about 6% of the electorate.
It was the first place I canvassed as a teenager (Jeremy Corbyn was the agent), back in 1966. A key issue in those days was Cyprus - there was a big Greek-descended community there and a significant Turkish one too. Canvassers were strictly told to avoid taking sides, and both communities used to help Labour, with a certain rivalry - I remember a feisty Greek with a bushy moustache asking me fiercely, "Where are the Turkish comrades!?" But even in those days there was fervent engagement from middle-class and young voters - I remember going round on an open-topped bus and people leaning out of their windows to cheer us on. Romantic times!
Hold on a minute the Cabinet, which had Brexiteers in it agreed to the GE as did MPs. I agree the PM is not very good at her job hence 117 MPs from her own party think anybody else would be better than her at the job!
Well indeed. When the election was called I was very excited. By the time of the vote I was annoyed and upset.
But then she had nothing worthwhile to say on anything else either and chickened out of the debates. It was an utterly avoidable eat against the odds. By 2017 I had moved away so did not again but in an avoidable election he lost thanks in no small part to May's shortcomings.
The ground game does make a real difference in a marginal seat.
This is where Labour have a huge advantage now, the Labour membership is huge, young and enthusiastic. In terms of volunteers Labour can hit very optimistic targets with bigger numbers than the Conservatives could get to key marginals.
its very urban focussed and its' not that motivated. The people going out are the same old hands who have always gone out and a few newbies. The membership on paper bears no relationship to the people who come out to help.
That bears little to no relation to what happened. Previously dead constituencies sprung to life. Some constituencies ballooned to massive membership numbers and even most of the biggest critics of Corbyn and momentum after the election came out and praised them and the other new young members work for helping produce the result.
You had individual constituency campaigns getting more volunteers coming in than they knew what to do with.
In London for sure, but then London accounts for a remarkably high percentage of the membership (I can't remember the figure). Hornsey and Wood Green has the highest membership and as I recall something like 20% of the adult population in that seat are Labour members (yet the LibDems still manage to do very well there).
Well knowing a zealous partisan for a particular cause doesn't always make you keen to support that cause.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
In London for sure, but then London accounts for a remarkably high percentage of the membership (I can't remember the figure). Hornsey and Wood Green has the highest membership and as I recall something like 20% of the adult population in that seat are Labour members (yet the LibDems still manage to do very well there).
20% of adults in Hornsey are Labour members? Really?!? That’s a truly remarkable stat if true.
Former PBer IOS boasted about Labour having 1,600 activists working in Hornsey in 2015.
He also gave us some reports from a Crouch End coffee shop.
Yet Anazina is right to challenge the figure - doing some digging, the membership appears to have peaked at around 5,000, and is now about 4,500. Which is about 6-7%. Maybe I picked up the higher figure from one of the wards; apologies for any misleading. Nevertheless it's still an impressive figure.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Ha! Well as a Forest man I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemies! Sharp analysis, by the way!
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Man City's part in their demise has been underrated. United have to overtake City to be considered a success and while Pep lives that isn't going to happen. Much better for Poch to stay at Spurs and go for best of the rest
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Seems he is close to Fergie and looks like he wants the job. We will see
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
More chance of the Tories splitting irrevocably. (Oh... )
It sorts the wheat from the chaff. I enjoyed Leicester in League 1 more than I expected, new teams, and getting back to winning ways. It's another teams turn in the sun.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
The PB Scousers are far more annoying - no discernible Merseyside heritage. It’s as if they woke up one morning in Surrey and decided to support LFC.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Poch will use the Man U offer as leverage to get multi-year transfer budget committments from Levy, in return Levy signs him to another 5 year deal that will cost £70m+ to buy out taking both Man U and Real Madrid out of the running.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Seems he is close to Fergie and looks like he wants the job. We will see
ManU will never improve with SAF as a back seat driver. That is part of the problem, he recommended the last 3 managers as I recall.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Seems he is close to Fergie and looks like he wants the job. We will see
Manure fans clutching at straws lol. You're a second rate club now and the job is a poisoned chalice.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Poch will use the Man U offer as leverage to get multi-year transfer budget committments from Levy, in return Levy signs him to another 5 year deal that will cost £70m+ to buy out taking both Man U and Real Madrid out of the running.
Yep and if he buys well, Spurs have a great future.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
The PB Scousers are far more annoying - no discernible Merseyside heritage. It’s as if they woke up one morning in Surrey and decided to support LFC.
Sheffield rather than Surrey, I believe
I am Lancastrian by birth, Leicester by adoption, but there is nothing more Leicester than that.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
I hope you are not a Spurs supporter as they lose their manager to United in the summer
They said that about Harry Maguire last summer. Many other clubs are as rich as Man U now, with no need to sell.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
Seems he is close to Fergie and looks like he wants the job. We will see
When Pep took a year off from management after Bayern he moved to NY and his neighbour was SAF. His neighbour for a year. Worked out well for City, why is SAF so toxic to other managers joining?
The next question re Homelessness is what do we mean by the term. It covers everything from the minimilist rough sleeping to maximilist insecurely housed. Even blue chip housing charities who spend 11 months of the year educating on the ' Iceberg ' effect of homelessness run corporate comms around rough sleeping in December because they know it's what the media, donors and the public want.
In London for sure, but then London accounts for a remarkably high percentage of the membership (I can't remember the figure). Hornsey and Wood Green has the highest membership and as I recall something like 20% of the adult population in that seat are Labour members (yet the LibDems still manage to do very well there).
20% of adults in Hornsey are Labour members? Really?!? That’s a truly remarkable stat if true.
Former PBer IOS boasted about Labour having 1,600 activists working in Hornsey in 2015.
He also gave us some reports from a Crouch End coffee shop.
I don’t doubt it’s a heartland, I live close to there and can confirm that north London is very red. But 20% of the adult population strikes me as fake news.
Yes, it was 4400 last year, which I'd guess is about 6% of the electorate.
It was the first place I canvassed as a teenager (Jeremy Corbyn was the agent), back in 1966. A key issue in those days was Cyprus - there was a big Greek-descended community there and a significant Turkish one too. Canvassers were strictly told to avoid taking sides, and both communities used to help Labour, with a certain rivalry - I remember a feisty Greek with a bushy moustache asking me fiercely, "Where are the Turkish comrades!?" But even in those days there was fervent engagement from middle-class and young voters - I remember going round on an open-topped bus and people leaning out of their windows to cheer us on. Romantic times!
Ha! Great story. We are a few miles away where it is far more mixed politically.
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
The PB Scousers are far more annoying - no discernible Merseyside heritage. It’s as if they woke up one morning in Surrey and decided to support LFC.
Klopp's passion and visible love for football draws players and fans in - I'm not a football fan but if I was I'd be drawn by that too
Comfortable win for my son’s club Spurs in the derby. Watch them draw City in the semi.
And then Man Utd pinch their manager !!!!!
Well it is called the Theatre of Dreams. Man U's temp managers record in the Premiership. Played 18 won 3. Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
I am very content tonight that Ole is back. I was in Barcelona on that magic night
As a United hater, I'm very content that you've gone for Ole too!
The PB Scousers are far more annoying - no discernible Merseyside heritage. It’s as if they woke up one morning in Surrey and decided to support LFC.
Sheffield rather than Surrey, I believe
I am Lancastrian by birth, Leicester by adoption, but there is nothing more Leicester than that.
You live there though? That’s plenty cause enough.
P.S. I was actually rooting for you in the match last night. What the hell happened with the pens? It must rank as one of the worst shoot outs in history!
United should have stuck with LVG for a bit longer, he had turned things around to an extent and was bringing through young players. We had a great record against the biggest teams we just needed a window or two to bring in star players to steamroll the bottom 12 teams in the league. The style of play wasn't great but overall I would argue it was the best of the 3 managers post Fergie although I might be biased towards big games.
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It didn't happen after the World Wars.
I genuinely want to know why the Living Marxism crowd have such ludicrous outsized influence in the UK media.
From Living Marxism to Nazi Billionaires in two decades. Quite the journey for our Brendan.
Edit: I think also the world wars were "all inclusive" events. Not a dirty little secret.
Old poll. I’d expect a more recent survey to have shown a more pronounced shift.
One of the reasons the Attlee government struggled in 1950 was that it had failed to build enough houses to meet demand, although more recent scholarship has suggested the perception they failed on this was a bit unfair (and certainly they faced an impossible task given the huge extent of the war damage and the growth in households). Twenty thousand people squatted in army barracks in 1946, for want of anywhere better.
And after World War One, matters were far worse - even though the physical damage was less.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1075500678947188739
Now I wonder if the people who join the military now are already susceptible to the potential problems which lead to homelessness.
Whereas when the military was raised from mass conscription the number of ex servicemen with these potential problems was proportionally much, much smaller.
https://infacts.org/polling-shows-growing-support-for-staying-in-eu/
Lol! There’s no stopping us now
Unfortunately that showed 55/45 Remain, so this would suggest no significant shift.
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1075356582291140608
Man U sacked the wrong person. The investment banker should have gone as well.
Edit: They should have hired Wenger for the temp period. Pogba, Martial etc he would have understood and been able to handle their sulks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaTL7b5Hns&t=2s
The appointment suggest they have give up on getting a top four place.
But I want attacking football back in the tradition of the club
Edit/ and since a referendum requires legislation, and legislation can be amended, no, the government cannot block any particular option.
One of the common refrains today from ex service men who have seen combat is that no one in the community at large understands what they have been through. They feel isolated from society and so are more likely to suffer from mental issues and drop out of normal life.
Whatever the cause I believe it is incumbent upon us as a country to do far more to help these men.
Spurs won't sell Poch, and he would be crazy to go. Man U manager is a cursed job that destroys the careers of all who take it. Man U is at risk of becoming another Forest.
The Utd stars now send their kids to the City academy, you could not get a bigger indication of how far they have fallen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-corbyn-surge-labour-s-members-tend-to-be-older-middle-class-and-gender-balanced-a8173141.html
It was the first place I canvassed as a teenager (Jeremy Corbyn was the agent), back in 1966. A key issue in those days was Cyprus - there was a big Greek-descended community there and a significant Turkish one too. Canvassers were strictly told to avoid taking sides, and both communities used to help Labour, with a certain rivalry - I remember a feisty Greek with a bushy moustache asking me fiercely, "Where are the Turkish comrades!?" But even in those days there was fervent engagement from middle-class and young voters - I remember going round on an open-topped bus and people leaning out of their windows to cheer us on. Romantic times!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973–74_Manchester_United_F.C._season
More chance of the Tories splitting irrevocably. (Oh... )
The PB Scousers are far more annoying - no discernible Merseyside heritage. It’s as if they woke up one morning in Surrey and decided to support LFC.
I am Lancastrian by birth, Leicester by adoption, but there is nothing more Leicester than that.
P.S. I was actually rooting for you in the match last night. What the hell happened with the pens? It must rank as one of the worst shoot outs in history!
I always thought You Kip was a description of most members’ afternoons