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Strictly speaking, Prince Charles should have been dishonourably discharged from the armed forces, for having an affair with the wife of a brother officer.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.0 -
Yes but plenty of others seem to be melting like spring snow in the glow of the impending date of 29th March. Fair play to Mcluskey for restating his opposition to another referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
He’s said it before.AlastairMeeks said:
Probably more consequential than stupidwomangate.TheScreamingEagles said:
Len McCluskley is opposed to another referendumAlastairMeeks said:What was Labour's news at 1pm?
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He’s a bloody parasite.Sean_F said:
Strictly speaking, Prince Charles should have dishonourably discharged from the armed forces, for having a affair with the wife of a brother officer.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
It is what happened to poor James Hewitt.0 -
It seems it was agreed independent of actual date of withdrawal (although subject to ratification of the WA) and represents the financial settlement up until 2020.notme2 said:
I think the vast bulk was two years membership fees, then various programmes we still are signed up to and then pension contributions. We were clearly done up like a kipper on this figure, but their insistence on sequencing meant the longer we talked about the bill the less time we had on the WA. Tick Tock was the tweet...TOPPING said:
Yes absolutely it contracts the withdrawal period. As for the £39bn wasn't some/all of that scheduled and contracted rather than ongoing fees for membership?notme2 said:
But the withdrawal agreement was 24 months and it came with two years of membership fees.TOPPING said:
It's pretty much on the EU's terms, that said. It just contracts the transition period to nine months.notme2 said:
I thought managed no deal was a myth. This is exactly that...GIN1138 said:
Well there's a surprise...Richard_Tyndall said:Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU.
UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019.
UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years.
Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay.
UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
And then at the end of the nine months, presumably, if we are still in turmoil, it will be extended again, but all of this is in the context of the following:
"In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK."
Do we have any idea of an ERG response to this?
From La May herself:
“I do not want our partners to fear that they will need to pay more or receive less over the remainder of the current budget plan as a result of our decision to leave. The UK will honour commitments we have made during the period of our membership.”0 -
Doesn't have to be. But a good rule of thumb is would those not offended be offended if their opponents said it. I think we know the answer in this case given the parties involved. As such they won't have a leg to stand on in defence or over the top outrage respectively.Benpointer said:
Why is calling somebody a "stupid woman" sexist?AlastairMeeks said:
If he can lay a wreath for dead terrorists, no one is going to care about on-the-record sexism.Scott_P said:
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Yes, it happened in the past. That's the point, White Identity Politics is not a recent phenomenon.Donny43 said:
A one off, widely condemned at the time, and from the distant past.Alistair said:
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?Donny43 said:
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".Alistair said:
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.SeanT said:
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.grabcocque said:
The Grand Tour.Donny43 said:
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?SeanT said:
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.0 -
Definitely a role model for Jez there - "In 1973, Harold Wilson sacked Faulds as Labour's arts spokesman for accusing Jewish MPs of dual loyalty."Scott_P said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Faulds0 -
I'm sure that will devastate him.TheScreamingEagles said:Bercow's authority being shredded by Tory MPs.
Or just make labour more desperate to protect him.
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Are these 'outraged' rightwingers really the same people who usually rant about political correctness gone mad?
A miserable end to a miserable parliamentary week. What happened to deciding our country's future?0 -
The point is surely that it is at complete odds with his right-on PC image ?Barnesian said:
How do you know it's dreadful?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to comejustin124 said:I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
If, in the public sphere, you can only refrain from what you yourself would describe as sexism when dealing with people you approve of, then your criticism of your opponents for similar offences looks like rank hypocrisy.
Equally, in Bercow's case, he has a tendency to assert rules of decorum only when it suits him.
(And for the record, I was not impressed in the slightest by May's rather abject performance.)
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60% of a human being, according to The Constitution.Alistair said:
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?Donny43 said:
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".Alistair said:
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.SeanT said:
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.grabcocque said:
The Grand Tour.Donny43 said:
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?SeanT said:
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
Across the pond America had a series of acrimonious elections followed by a civil war on the tricky subject of whether black people were human beings or property.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise0 -
James Hewitt was guilty of treason, however, by violating the wife of the heir to the throne. And, at the time he did so, the penalty for treason was death.TheScreamingEagles said:
He’s a bloody parasite.Sean_F said:
Strictly speaking, Prince Charles should have dishonourably discharged from the armed forces, for having a affair with the wife of a brother officer.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
It is what happened to poor James Hewitt.0 -
We’ve all been there.Sean_F said:
James Hewitt was guilty of treason, however, by violating the wife of the heir to the throne.TheScreamingEagles said:
He’s a bloody parasite.Sean_F said:
Strictly speaking, Prince Charles should have dishonourably discharged from the armed forces, for having a affair with the wife of a brother officer.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
It is what happened to poor James Hewitt.0 -
The rules are explicitly different for those with debt-to-GDP below 100%. (Which France squeaks under.)Floater said:
Are they going to let the Italians flout the rules like France then?Alanbrooke said:EU and Italians reach budget deal
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/kein-defizitverfahren-eu-kommission-und-italien-einigen-sich-15949424.html
Or can someone please explain why its different for France and Germany?0 -
Who funds their pension scheme ?Scott_P said:0 -
Top story on the BBC ...IanB2 said:Are these 'outraged' rightwingers really the same people who usually rant about political correctness gone mad?
A miserable end to a miserable parliamentary week. What happened to deciding our country's future?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/
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The dog that didn't bark in the afternoon.AlastairMeeks said:What was Labour's news at 1pm?
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Did he express any views on revoking Article 50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Len McCluskley is opposed to another referendumAlastairMeeks said:What was Labour's news at 1pm?
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Smethwick 1964 election I believe.Donny43 said:
A one off, widely condemned at the time, and from the distant past.Alistair said:
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?Donny43 said:
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".Alistair said:
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.SeanT said:
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.grabcocque said:
The Grand Tour.Donny43 said:
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?SeanT said:
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.0 -
I do enjoy your comments about Prince Charles. He'll never live down his ambition to be reincarnated as a tampon.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’ve all been there.Sean_F said:
James Hewitt was guilty of treason, however, by violating the wife of the heir to the throne.TheScreamingEagles said:
He’s a bloody parasite.Sean_F said:
Strictly speaking, Prince Charles should have dishonourably discharged from the armed forces, for having a affair with the wife of a brother officer.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
It is what happened to poor James Hewitt.0 -
Mr T,
"How many Brexiteers voted Leave, just because it would distress liberal metropolitan snobs?"
Be fair, it's a massive temptation and it did sway my vote. Not as good as "I've been listening to this Trump fella, and he does talk some sense."
I'm practicing trying to keep my face straight when I say it, but the referendum vote was easy.0 -
The church says it takes things seriously. As its reaction to numerous sexual abuse scandals within its ranks shows, what it says it does and what it does are two very different things.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
(The same applies for virtually every church, sadly. And yes, I know you're going to mention Peter Ball...)0 -
Jezza? A lot of fuss about nothing, but as you sow, so shall you reap,0
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I once worked with the guys involved in recording those calls.....Sean_F said:
I do enjoy your comments about Prince Charles. He'll never live down his ambition to be reincarnated as a tampon.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’ve all been there.Sean_F said:
James Hewitt was guilty of treason, however, by violating the wife of the heir to the throne.TheScreamingEagles said:
He’s a bloody parasite.Sean_F said:
Strictly speaking, Prince Charles should have dishonourably discharged from the armed forces, for having a affair with the wife of a brother officer.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
It is what happened to poor James Hewitt.0 -
That would be the strongest point to be made against Corbyn if he uttered the words - the hypocrisy of being so obsessed with Political Correctness. On the other hand, if Andrew Faulds was not reprimanded for his exchange with Thatcher in 1990 , I fail to see how Corbyn can be condemned for muttering from a sedentary position.Nigelb said:
The point is surely that it is at complete odds with his right-on PC image ?Barnesian said:
How do you know it's dreadful?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to comejustin124 said:I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
If, in the public sphere, you can only refrain from what you yourself would describe as sexism when dealing with people you approve of, then your criticism of your opponents for similar offences looks like rank hypocrisy.
Equally, in Bercow's case, he has a tendency to assert rules of decorum only when it suits him.
(And for the record, I was not impressed in the slightest by May's rather abject performance.)0 -
If the Church was serious, they would have insisted that Charles and Camilla undertake a walk of shame, like Cersei.JosiasJessop said:
The church says it takes things seriously. As its reaction to numerous sexual abuse scandals within its ranks shows, what it says it does and what it does are two very different things.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is karma for being an adulterer/fornicator.RobD said:
The Church takes these things seriously.
(The same applies for virtually every church, sadly. And yes, I know you're going to mention Peter Ball...)0 -
At a time when the Smethwick Labour Club operated a 'no blacks' policy. Which I'm sure was an inclusive, for the many not the few, racist policy.justin124 said:
Smethwick 1964 election I believe.Donny43 said:
A one off, widely condemned at the time, and from the distant past.Alistair said:
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?Donny43 said:
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".Alistair said:
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.SeanT said:
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.grabcocque said:
The Grand Tour.Donny43 said:
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?SeanT said:
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.0 -
If we're talking scandals involving people making an idiot of themselves with attempts at sexy talk, the latest Australian one takes some beating:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/18/fifty-shades-of-gday-mp-sexting-scandal-turns-australians-off-beloved-greeting
"One particular screen shot of a series of WhatsApp messages alleged to be the exchange between the woman and Broad sparked a crisis of faith among Australians.
The screen shot shows the question: “Do you like Aussie accents?” to which the reply reads: “I love Aussie accents, I think they’re so sexy.”
The next message says: “I pull you close, run my strong hands down your back, softly kiss your neck and whisper G’day mate.” In other messages, it is alleged Broad said: “I’m a country guy, so I know how to fly a plane, ride a horse, fuck my woman. My intentions are completely dishonourable.” "0 -
Doubtless Peter Griffiths pointed that out at the time!TrèsDifficile said:
At a time when the Smethwick Labour Club operated a 'no blacks' policy. Which I'm sure was an inclusive, for the many not the few, racist policy.justin124 said:
Smethwick 1964 election I believe.Donny43 said:
A one off, widely condemned at the time, and from the distant past.Alistair said:
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?Donny43 said:
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".Alistair said:
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.SeanT said:
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.grabcocque said:
The Grand Tour.Donny43 said:
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?SeanT said:
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.0 -
Right wingers smear Corbyn is not only a tired meme but a profitable one for the left TBH, those that haven't figured out that throwing something petty and probably untrue at Corbyn is only likely to reinforce his support need to catch up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I know it is dreadful pr. Just watch the mediaBarnesian said:
How do you know it's dreadful?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to comejustin124 said:I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
Some already committed Conservatives might feel a little extra buzz but if this kind of nonsense was going to convince swing voters it would have been working for the last 3 years.
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He's an amateur compared to Anthony Weiner.AlastairMeeks said:If we're talking scandals involving people making an idiot of themselves with attempts at sexy talk, the latest Australian one takes some beating:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/18/fifty-shades-of-gday-mp-sexting-scandal-turns-australians-off-beloved-greeting
"One particular screen shot of a series of WhatsApp messages alleged to be the exchange between the woman and Broad sparked a crisis of faith among Australians.
The screen shot shows the question: “Do you like Aussie accents?” to which the reply reads: “I love Aussie accents, I think they’re so sexy.”
The next message says: “I pull you close, run my strong hands down your back, softly kiss your neck and whisper G’day mate.” In other messages, it is alleged Broad said: “I’m a country guy, so I know how to fly a plane, ride a horse, fuck my woman. My intentions are completely dishonourable.” "0 -
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You don't think there's a cumulative effect where even some of those minded to look favourably towards him eventually come to the conclusionTheJezziah said:
Right wingers smear Corbyn is not only a tired meme but a profitable one for the left TBH, those that haven't figured out that throwing something petty and probably untrue at Corbyn is only likely to reinforce his support need to catch up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I know it is dreadful pr. Just watch the mediaBarnesian said:
How do you know it's dreadful?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to comejustin124 said:I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
Some already committed Conservatives might feel a little extra buzz but if this kind of nonsense was going to convince swing voters it would have been working for the last 3 years.
"what a dick...."?0 -
Truly a bull is led by the nose and a man is led by the thing that makes him a man.Sean_F said:
He's an amateur compared to Anthony Weiner.AlastairMeeks said:If we're talking scandals involving people making an idiot of themselves with attempts at sexy talk, the latest Australian one takes some beating:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/18/fifty-shades-of-gday-mp-sexting-scandal-turns-australians-off-beloved-greeting
"One particular screen shot of a series of WhatsApp messages alleged to be the exchange between the woman and Broad sparked a crisis of faith among Australians.
The screen shot shows the question: “Do you like Aussie accents?” to which the reply reads: “I love Aussie accents, I think they’re so sexy.”
The next message says: “I pull you close, run my strong hands down your back, softly kiss your neck and whisper G’day mate.” In other messages, it is alleged Broad said: “I’m a country guy, so I know how to fly a plane, ride a horse, fuck my woman. My intentions are completely dishonourable.” "0 -
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Will Wollaston, Soubry, Boles be joining Jezza in his VONC after May's deal fails ?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Well thank God for that. Clearly the 2nd Jury had 12 brains.AlastairMeeks said:Quiet news day:
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/10754111082053795840 -
By election klaxon ?AlastairMeeks said:Quiet news day:
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/10754111082053795840 -
Can I just thank Corbyn and Bercow for making my wait at the garage such an enjoyable time.
Top effort chaps!!
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By election?AlastairMeeks said:Quiet news day:
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/10754111082053795840 -
To be honest, I'm amazed it required a retrial. She was toast the moment her constituency agent/chairman (whichever) came forward.AlastairMeeks said:Quiet news day:
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1075411108205379584
Edit - and if course it effectively deprives the Opposition of an MP which makes the maths even more difficult for Corbyn if he goes for VONC.0 -
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1075412056092958721
Might make moving a vote of no confidence more difficult for Corbyn.0 -
If the experience of the last election is anything to go by they (left wingers) look at the likes of the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph their propaganda, racism and xenophobia and think...MarqueeMark said:
You don't think there's a cumulative effect where even some of those minded to look favourably towards him eventually come to the conclusionTheJezziah said:
Right wingers smear Corbyn is not only a tired meme but a profitable one for the left TBH, those that haven't figured out that throwing something petty and probably untrue at Corbyn is only likely to reinforce his support need to catch up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I know it is dreadful pr. Just watch the mediaBarnesian said:
How do you know it's dreadful?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to comejustin124 said:I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
Some already committed Conservatives might feel a little extra buzz but if this kind of nonsense was going to convince swing voters it would have been working for the last 3 years.
"what a dick...."?
What a bunch of dicks.
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Depends on sentence - but, yeah....Donny43 said:
By election?AlastairMeeks said:Quiet news day:
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Preverting ?dr_spyn said:Peterborough MP guilty.
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1075411108205379584
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Onasanya's professional life both as an MP and a solicitor is over.0
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BYEdr_spyn said:Peterborough MP guilty.
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Now I can officially say I've had more compelling narratives in dreams.ydoethur said:
To be honest, I'm amazed it required a retrial. She was toast the moment her constituency agent/chairman (whichever) came forward.AlastairMeeks said:Quiet news day:
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"The Brexit by-election"?0
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Mr. Pulpstar, and, if so, what happens regarding referendum/revocation?0
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So does the forthcoming Peterborough by-election become a proxy for the entire Brexit debate?
Things haven’t been so exciting since they abolished the Soke.0 -
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In this case, post crime. The original crime was trivial, driving at 41 miles and hour, in a 30 mile zone.Nigelb said:
Preverting ?dr_spyn said:Peterborough MP guilty.
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1075411108205379584
Is that like pre-crime ?
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62.7% Leave, apparently.Tissue_Price said:"The Brexit by-election"?
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Peterborough has been unfortunate in its choice of MPs since 1997.Gardenwalker said:So does the forthcoming Peterborough by-election become a proxy for the entire Brexit debate?
Things haven’t been so exciting since they abolished the Soke.0 -
Not much else unites them. But to quote a popular saying of these times, nothing has changed. Certainly not from someone else saying something.williamglenn said:The way the whole Tory party are going for Bercow is astonishing.
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"It's very clear". Hmmm.Pulpstar said:The case for Jezza m'lud
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Would split the Con vote and allow Labour to win more like..Scott_P said:0 -
'Silly fucking cow' may have been more impolite but it would have been less politically incorrect. 'Stupid woman' suggests she's stupid by dint of her being a woman. 'Stupid fucking cow' is non specific.justin124 said:I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
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321 now required for a majority.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1075412056092958721
Might make moving a vote of no confidence more difficult for Corbyn.
Government has 317.
Field, Hermon and Mann may choose to support them (although then again they may not).
O'Mara may not remember to turn up, although Hopkins probably will.
It's not quite out of the question that even with DUP support such a motion could now fail.
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Won Pboro by all of 607 votes last time round. That's going to be a fun one.0
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If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.Scott_P said:0 -
Well he's dodged a bullet there then. Pity whoever got the ball rolling on this if they were wrong, it will just make him stronger!Beverley_C said:
I am no Corbyn supporter, but it looks more like "people" than "woman" to me. The "Wo" of "woman" requires more of a pucker of the lips. The "pe" of "People" draws the side of the mouth out.ydoethur said:Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.'
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Am I safe to call Fiona Onasanya a stupid woman?0
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Keep waving the lorries full of popcorn through the Port of Dover. There must not be shortages!0
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wasnt the tory she beat remarkable for been even more loathsome and a sometime poster on here?Scott_P said:0 -
:-)notme2 said:
wasnt the tory she beat remarkable for been even more loathsome and a sometime poster on here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s
Interesting 2015 figures, UKIP took 15.9%, but seemingly took from both parties.
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I'm sure I noticed some comments re Paul flyn's health.ydoethur said:
321 now required for a majority.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1075412056092958721
Might make moving a vote of no confidence more difficult for Corbyn.
Government has 317.
Field, Hermon and Mann may choose to support them (although then again they may not).
O'Mara may not remember to turn up, although Hopkins probably will.
It's not quite out of the question that even with DUP support such a motion could now fail.
How embarrassing would that be?
As you say it would be embarassing.
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Prediction - UKIP wont get that much this time..Andrew said:
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wasnt the tory she beat remarkable for been even more loathsome and a sometime poster on here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s
Interesting 2015 figures, UKIP took 15.9%, but seemingly took from both parties.0 -
Meanwhile the Speaker has decided it's "yanny" rather than "laurel":
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Peterborough (borough) voted 60% Leave in 2016.Andrew said:Won Pboro by all of 607 votes last time round. That's going to be a fun one.
I can foresee a few draft GE plans being tested in any by-election there.0 -
Mr. Eagles, you can't assume xir gender!0
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https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1075414843094720514 By election timing could be interesting.
though it is possible it never actually takes place.0 -
12 months or more she has to resign.rottenborough said:
Less and its recall ..0 -
You have to resign if you get a sentence of 12 months or longer.rottenborough said:0 -
The Tories have had a big head start campaigning in Peterborough. Never easy for the government to gain seats but I'd have them as favourites.0
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Stupid person is fine. Woman is unnecessary.TheScreamingEagles said:Am I safe to call Fiona Onasanya a stupid woman?
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Yes. Stewart Jackson. I remember one time when he got into an argument with someone, insulted them when he disagreed, replied with 'if you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen' when someone objected to his insult and was then politely reminded that it wasn't his kitchen. He went quiet at that point.notme2 said:
wasnt the tory she beat remarkable for been even more loathsome and a sometime poster on here?Scott_P said:0 -
If she's imprisoned even for ten days she'll be expected to quit. Certainly she won't be able to stand again.Pulpstar said:
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.Scott_P said:
But I think she will get six months and that effectively removes her from Parliament if as seems likely there is an election in the spring. I don't think an MP has been elected while in jail since 1918.0 -
Onasanya can remain an MP if her sentence is under 12 months I believe.
CAN, not should or will.0 -
You are safe to call her a criminal, certainly.TheScreamingEagles said:Am I safe to call Fiona Onasanya a stupid woman?
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Well, it looks like only one Labour MP is getting done for lying today.0
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