If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
If she's imprisoned even for ten days she'll be expected to quit. Certainly she won't be able to stand again.
But I think she will get six months and that effectively removes her from Parliament if as seems likely there is an election in the spring. I don't think an MP has been elected while in jail since 1918.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
'Silly fucking cow' may have been more impolite but it would have been less politically incorrect. 'Stupid woman' suggests she's stupid by dint of her being a woman. 'Stupid fucking cow' is non specific.
No it's not. I've never heard a man called a 'cow'; it's a derogatory term used to (or of) women. "Stupid idiot" would have been less politically incorrect, at least in gender terms.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU.
No, the deal was UK operated flights could make technical stops in the EU without restriction. Technical stops do not allow passengers to board or disembark.
To actually fly passengers to/from locations UK operated flights would have to apply for permission.
That is not what is being reported by any of the news agencies (I still haven't found a link ti the actual document.) They are saying that flights continue between the UK and EU as normal but UK airlines will not be operate flights within the EU.
funniest twitter conversation of the day... the "country's foremost forensic lip-reader" was investigated for perjury, with "the cps has decided not to rely on Jessica Rees as a prosecution witness in current or future cases"
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
If she's imprisoned even for ten days she'll be expected to quit. Certainly she won't be able to stand again.
But I think she will get six months and that effectively removes her from Parliament if as seems likely there is an election in the spring. I don't think an MP has been elected while in jail since 1918.
Fermanagh South Tyrone 1981 ?!
Yes, you're right, I was forgetting the hunger strikers. Makes me sound like a Thatcherite...
In 1918 the jailbirds in question were Irish revolutionaries as well, of course.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU.
No, the deal was UK operated flights could make technical stops in the EU without restriction. Technical stops do not allow passengers to board or disembark.
To actually fly passengers to/from locations UK operated flights would have to apply for permission.
That is not what is being reported by any of the news agencies (I still haven't found a link ti the actual document.) They are saying that flights continue between the UK and EU as normal but UK airlines will not be operate flights within the EU.
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
If she's imprisoned even for ten days she'll be expected to quit. Certainly she won't be able to stand again.
But I think she will get six months and that effectively removes her from Parliament if as seems likely there is an election in the spring. I don't think an MP has been elected while in jail since 1918.
funniest twitter conversation of the day... the "country's foremost forensic lip-reader" was investigated for perjury, with "the cps has decided not to rely on Jessica Rees as a prosecution witness in current or future cases"
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
wasnt the tory she beat remarkable for been even more loathsome and a sometime poster on here?
Doesn't she have to resign then? I thought you couldn't be an MP if convicted, or is there some rule about if it involves a prison sentence or some such?
You have to resign if you get a sentence of 12 months or longer.
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
The Blue Meanies control it now.
Currently out of 60 seats they are held by
Con 31, Lab 14, LD 7, Werrington First 3, Ind 2, Green 1, Liberal 1, UKIP 1.
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who on earth do Peterborough residents write to for an MP matter in the next few months ?
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
The Blue Meanies control it now.
Currently out of 60 seats they are held by
Con 31, Lab 14, LD 7, Werrington First 3, Ind 2, Green 1, Liberal 1, UKIP 1.
The Conservatives regained control of the Council in May, which also lends weight to the view that last year's vote was a vote against Stewart Jackson.
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who on earth do Peterborough residents write to for an MP matter in the next few months ?
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
The Blue Meanies control it now.
Currently out of 60 seats they are held by
Con 31, Lab 14, LD 7, Werrington First 3, Ind 2, Green 1, Liberal 1, UKIP 1.
So it could flip, but I suppose the bigger danger is that they end with a campaign dominated by 'Labour foisted a forger, liar and criminal on us, do you want to make that mistake again?'
The case does highlight the chance nature of our criminal justice system. Two juries presented with the same evidence have arrived at different conclusions. The element of subjectivity should be an overwhelming argument against capital punishment.
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
Are there open prisons where you get let out to do a day job, where she could serve her sentence?
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who on earth do Peterborough residents write to for an MP matter in the next few months ?
Same people the residents of NW Leicestershire wrote to between December 2009 and May 2010.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
How do you know it's dreadful?
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
The point is surely that it is at complete odds with his right-on PC image ?
If, in the public sphere, you can only refrain from what you yourself would describe as sexism when dealing with people you approve of, then your criticism of your opponents for similar offences looks like rank hypocrisy.
Equally, in Bercow's case, he has a tendency to assert rules of decorum only when it suits him.
(And for the record, I was not impressed in the slightest by May's rather abject performance.)
The point is as simple as he would not accept a defence if a tory said it, not in a million years. So it matters if he said it. On that score apparently it's ambiguous enough he should be fine.
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Labour will look a bit silly if they delay the by-election for as long as that, particularly with Corbyn claiming they could win a general election within weeks if one were called.
The case does highlight the chance nature of our criminal justice system. Two juries presented with the same evidence have arrived at different conclusions. The element of subjectivity should be an overwhelming argument against capital punishment.
If we were to have capital punishment, it would surely be limited to cases where there was no doubt whatsoever (Thomas Mair being a good example).
Onasanya can remain an MP if her sentence is under 12 months I believe.
CAN, not should or will.
I'd have the sentence spread at around that mark.
Huhne got 8 months and he fully admitted it. I'd expect more than 12 months.
He only pleaded guilty at the last moment so only got partial credit for that.
Huhne had cash in the bank I believe and a second job as an energy & climate change consultant (no laughing at the back there). A career with no obligations on being sentenced. Onasunya's second career as a solicitor will be torpedoed by this - does she have cash in the bank...
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
Are there open prisons where you get let out to do a day job, where she could serve her sentence?
She'd be in a Cat A/B Prison at the start of her sentence, so no open prison for her at the start, only towards the end of her sentence.
The case does highlight the chance nature of our criminal justice system. Two juries presented with the same evidence have arrived at different conclusions.
My experience in the jury room doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in the system, to put it mildly. Wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of that.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
How do you know it's dreadful?
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
I know it is dreadful pr. Just watch the media
Right wingers smear Corbyn is not only a tired meme but a profitable one for the left TBH, those that haven't figured out that throwing something petty and probably untrue at Corbyn is only likely to reinforce his support need to catch up.
Some already committed Conservatives might feel a little extra buzz but if this kind of nonsense was going to convince swing voters it would have been working for the last 3 years.
It's amazing how Corbyn fans have changed the meaning o the word "smear" from "unwarranted malicious accusation" to "something there is literally video or photographic evidence for".
Still, I suppose, cults always have their own language.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU.
No, the deal was UK operated flights could make technical stops in the EU without restriction. Technical stops do not allow passengers to board or disembark.
To actually fly passengers to/from locations UK operated flights would have to apply for permission.
That is not what is being reported by any of the news agencies (I still haven't found a link ti the actual document.) They are saying that flights continue between the UK and EU as normal but UK airlines will not be operate flights within the EU.
In case of no deal, the Commission is proposing that "point-to-point" flight connections, i.e. connections from the territory of the United Kingdom to the territory of the EU27, are temporarily allowed on the basis of a unilateral measure. This measure will enter into force in case of no deal, if the United Kingdom reciprocates, and last until 30 March 2020.
If I understand correctly, this may not cover onward flights, though, and intra-EU flights are definitely not covered.
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
If she's imprisoned even for ten days she'll be expected to quit. Certainly she won't be able to stand again.
But I think she will get six months and that effectively removes her from Parliament if as seems likely there is an election in the spring. I don't think an MP has been elected while in jail since 1918.
Bobby Sands. Didn't hold it for long tho'.
It is still possible though. The RPA(1981) only bars candidates who are in jail serving sentences of 12 months or more i.e. the same criterion that disqualifies an MP if so sentenced. They could still be nominated and elected if serving a shorter term - though presumably only with an understanding electorate.
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
Are there open prisons where you get let out to do a day job, where she could serve her sentence?
She'd be in a Cat A/B Prison at the start of her sentence, so no open prison for her at the start, only towards the end of her sentence.
As poor as her behaviour has been, is a cat A/B prison really neccessary ?
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
Are there open prisons where you get let out to do a day job, where she could serve her sentence?
She'd be in a Cat A/B Prison at the start of her sentence, so no open prison for her at the start, only towards the end of her sentence.
As poor as her behaviour has been, is a cat A/B prison really neccessary ?
Is the default.
Is where they do all the processing.
Plus most Cat Cs/Ds are far away from the big cities and thus the big courts.
One third of Peterborough council is up for election next May, if there is a by election, I wonder if Labour will schedule it as the same day as those locals?
Who controls it now? And is control switching a possibility?
If her sentence is less than 12 months she does not have to resign her seat. Clearly that would be suboptimal for Labour whether or not she is an official Labour MP.
If she's imprisoned even for ten days she'll be expected to quit. Certainly she won't be able to stand again.
But I think she will get six months and that effectively removes her from Parliament if as seems likely there is an election in the spring. I don't think an MP has been elected while in jail since 1918.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU.
No, the deal was UK operated flights could make technical stops in the EU without restriction. Technical stops do not allow passengers to board or disembark.
To actually fly passengers to/from locations UK operated flights would have to apply for permission.
That is not what is being reported by any of the news agencies (I still haven't found a link ti the actual document.) They are saying that flights continue between the UK and EU as normal but UK airlines will not be operate flights within the EU.
In case of no deal, the Commission is proposing that "point-to-point" flight connections, i.e. connections from the territory of the United Kingdom to the territory of the EU27, are temporarily allowed on the basis of a unilateral measure. This measure will enter into force in case of no deal, if the United Kingdom reciprocates, and last until 30 March 2020.
If I understand correctly, this may not cover onward flights, though, and intra-EU flights are definitely not covered.
Thanks.
As I read it, they are imposing an effective shortened transition period. After that, well I suppose they would roll over the terms in all practicality. And it seems very skewed towards the UK being compliant with EU regs.
No issue with the backstop on account of the "all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK" clause.
Do we know what the ERG have said? What about @RichieTyndall, perhaps forthcoming Independent candidate in Peterborough?
And I like the piccie in the bacground of his tweet. Not for the steam locomotive, but for (I think) the superlative Glenfinnan Viaduct it's going over.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
How do you know it's dreadful?
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
I know it is dreadful pr. Just watch the media
Right wingers smear Corbyn is not only a tired meme but a profitable one for the left TBH, those that haven't figured out that throwing something petty and probably untrue at Corbyn is only likely to reinforce his support need to catch up.
Some already committed Conservatives might feel a little extra buzz but if this kind of nonsense was going to convince swing voters it would have been working for the last 3 years.
It's amazing how Corbyn fans have changed the meaning o the word "smear" from "unwarranted malicious accusation" to "something there is literally video or photographic evidence for".
Still, I suppose, cults always have their own language.
That is a smear to, despite there being video evidence for it...
Read the follow up tweet, explains what was actually said.
I realise it doesn't fit into your strange Corbyn is terrible worldview which includes Tommy Robinson apparently being a fan of his but I don't think reality has to take your beliefs into account.
Next to Ms Leadsom on the front bench, the Prime Minister’s eyes widened as if she had sat suddenly upon an epipen. Up on his great green throne, the speaker’s world collapsed from under him.
Mr Bercow has a well established taste in loud ties. Never before have they been so singularly outshone by his face. It turned first to pink, then to crimson, then to puce, like a sunset in a nuclear winter.
“I have no need...the honourable lady...four months ago...nothing further on the matter…” This is the verbatim quote, not least as, presumably through sheer embarrassment, his microphone broke too, leaving his desperate prevarications inaudible. That actually happened.
It was a revenge served at a temperature that can only be measured on the Kelvin scale. It was, frankly, immaculate.
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You're welcome.
(*actually women.. but the consonants are the same and I don't have all day. Also, it's about 2'40 into the video, a few secs after this bookmark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJO1iiOXWr4&feature=youtu.be&t=158
James Forsyth
Verified account @JGForsyth
2m2 minutes ago
Vicky Ford says that Bercow has called her a ‘stupid woman’. Bercow says that he refutes it 100%
#ibelieveher
In 1918 the jailbirds in question were Irish revolutionaries as well, of course.
europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6851_en.htm
We'd have to start referring to Jeremy Blair as nothing seems to stick to him...
https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1075416993350737920
Currently out of 60 seats they are held by
Con 31, Lab 14, LD 7, Werrington First 3, Ind 2, Green 1, Liberal 1, UKIP 1.
She could appeal on either the conviction or sentence, or both.
I think the Speaker would follow the precedent he set in the Phil Woolas case.
I suppose it depends on how dim a view the judge takes of double perjury and her attempts to throw her brother under a bus to save her career.
But for this I would have thought it would be more like 6-8 months.
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1075418431606927360
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1075405343914713090
Onasunya's second career as a solicitor will be torpedoed by this - does she have cash in the bank...
Still, I suppose, cults always have their own language.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/contingency-qanda_en.pdf
In case of no deal, the Commission is proposing that "point-to-point" flight connections, i.e. connections from the territory of the United Kingdom to the territory of the EU27, are temporarily allowed on the basis of a unilateral measure. This measure will enter into force in case of no deal, if the United Kingdom reciprocates, and last until 30 March 2020.
If I understand correctly, this may not cover onward flights, though, and intra-EU flights are definitely not covered.
Will she resign? I think not
Is where they do all the processing.
Plus most Cat Cs/Ds are far away from the big cities and thus the big courts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_City_Council
NEW THREAD
So yes, in theory, but not in practice.
As I read it, they are imposing an effective shortened transition period. After that, well I suppose they would roll over the terms in all practicality. And it seems very skewed towards the UK being compliant with EU regs.
No issue with the backstop on account of the "all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK" clause.
Do we know what the ERG have said? What about @RichieTyndall, perhaps forthcoming Independent candidate in Peterborough?
And I like the piccie in the bacground of his tweet. Not for the steam locomotive, but for (I think) the superlative Glenfinnan Viaduct it's going over.
That is a smear to, despite there being video evidence for it...
Read the follow up tweet, explains what was actually said.
I realise it doesn't fit into your strange Corbyn is terrible worldview which includes Tommy Robinson apparently being a fan of his but I don't think reality has to take your beliefs into account.
Next to Ms Leadsom on the front bench, the Prime Minister’s eyes widened as if she had sat suddenly upon an epipen. Up on his great green throne, the speaker’s world collapsed from under him.
Mr Bercow has a well established taste in loud ties. Never before have they been so singularly outshone by his face. It turned first to pink, then to crimson, then to puce, like a sunset in a nuclear winter.
“I have no need...the honourable lady...four months ago...nothing further on the matter…” This is the verbatim quote, not least as, presumably through sheer embarrassment, his microphone broke too, leaving his desperate prevarications inaudible. That actually happened.
It was a revenge served at a temperature that can only be measured on the Kelvin scale. It was, frankly, immaculate.