More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
I see nothing untoward about calling someone a 'stupid man' or a 'stupid woman'.
It was patently obviously "Stupid people", much as "Stupid Pepe" would be more interesting. But wait - @OxfordSimon can "think of no idiomatic usage that would make 'stupid people' a likely utterance from anyone". There are 12.9 million cases on the web, so maybe people never say it and only write it?
There are about 566 million cases of "stupid woman" on the web.
Want to revisit the point you were making?
566 million > 12.9 million is no argument for 12.9 million being equal to zero.
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
Yes whatever it was they got to him and he showed it.
It was patently obviously "Stupid people", much as "Stupid Pepe" would be more interesting. But wait - @OxfordSimon can "think of no idiomatic usage that would make 'stupid people' a likely utterance from anyone". There are 12.9 million cases on the web, so maybe people never say it and only write it?
There are about 566 million cases of "stupid woman" on the web.
Want to revisit the point you were making?
566 million > 12.9 million is no argument for 12.9 million not being equal to zero.
There was a (Tory) minister who when asked why a particular recurring problem had not been eradicated said, 'Look, the target's zero, but with big numbers "zero" means plus or minus a few.'
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
I see nothing untoward about calling someone a 'stupid man' or a 'stupid woman'.
I wouldn't expect you to - it comes under the heading of respect
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
Furthermore he was responding to TM final response to him so 'woman' is far more likely
If it's "people" then he's either referring to his own MPs or the country as a whole. Neither of which is exactly a good look either.
Actually, looking at it again. I do believe it could be Stupid Woman.
Meanwhile, re the backstop and the EU's temporary measures, I believe this kicks the can down the road for nine months:
"The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions."
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU. UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019. UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years. Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay. UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
The EU has said Pet Passports will be invalid, though. So the Endtimes have not been entirely averted.
Enjoy Crufts 2019. Might be the last time that Johnny Furriner walks off with all the Best In Breeds.......
It was patently obviously "Stupid people", much as "Stupid Pepe" would be more interesting. But wait - @OxfordSimon can "think of no idiomatic usage that would make 'stupid people' a likely utterance from anyone". There are 12.9 million cases on the web, so maybe people never say it and only write it?
There are about 566 million cases of "stupid woman" on the web.
Want to revisit the point you were making?
Well quite.
There are plenty of occasions when you can talk about stupid people - but it tends to come in the context of a longer phrase or sentence. 'There are a lot of stupid people who believe..' - that sort of thing. And indeed that is what Google appears to be showing up.
I honestly cannot think of any time in my nearly 50 years on this planet when someone has used 'Stupid People' as a standalone phrase in this sort of circumstance (as a dismissive retort/reaction)
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
I see nothing untoward about calling someone a 'stupid man' or a 'stupid woman'.
I wouldn't expect you to - it comes under the heading of respect
It falls well short of being abusive - otherwise 'Stupid Boy' would not have been repeated ad nauseam on Dad's Army. It is PC gone mad - though Corbyn has certainly contributed to that over time.
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
I see nothing untoward about calling someone a 'stupid man' or a 'stupid woman'.
I wouldn't expect you to - it comes under the heading of respect
It falls well short of being abusive - otherwise 'Stupid Boy' would not have been repeated ad nauseam on Dad's Army. It is PC gone mad - though Corbyn has certainly contributed to that over time.
Ooh if we're bringing Dad's Army into it can we please have Love Thy Neighbour and Steptoe & Sons as icons of Left-leaning right on humour?
Actually, looking at it again. I do believe it could be Stupid Woman.
Meanwhile, re the backstop and the EU's temporary measures, I believe this kicks the can down the road for nine months:
"The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions."
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
Furthermore he was responding to TM final response to him so 'woman' is far more likely
Only just arrived online, so please could someone explain to me why calling someone a stupid woman or man is sexist? I thought the big problem was being certain what gender the person identifies as, but it sounds as though that is common ground.
Actually, looking at it again. I do believe it could be Stupid Woman.
It could be, zooming in close and playing it slow. But I still think 'stupid people' is more plausible. I think it's 'l' not 'm'. The first word is definitely 'stupid.'
And, incidentally, I have always thought Balls really did say 'so weak' as well.
I hope for his sake it is 'stupid people.' Otherwise he's going to be in much more trouble for lying about it than he would have been for saying it.
Can someone do a comparison between Gorden Kaye saying 'You Stupid Woman' on 'Allo, 'Allo and today's video?
I fear that the French accent and more deliberate speech pattern might make it tricky - but as it was a frequently used phrase in that show, it might shed some light on things!
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
This is quite an interesting thread about how the right have slowly moved towards "owning the libs" as their main driving force.
It could be summed up this way: the Left has always hated the right, especially poor white rightwingers, and the Left is pretty open about this, accusing the "gammons", "deplorables", "gilets jaunes" of racism/stupidity etc etc
For the first time, poor white people are beginning to hate the Left in turn, and automatically oppose everything the Left says and thinks; these people will do anything to upset the Left, just BECAUSE it upsets them. Trump has benefited.
And clearly the phenomenon has crossed the Atlantic. How many Brexiteers voted Leave, just because it would distress liberal metropolitan snobs? Quite a few, I reckon.
What's more, it will very likely get worse.
If there was a second referendum it might be the only reason i would vote leave.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
Actually, looking at it again. I do believe it could be Stupid Woman.
Meanwhile, re the backstop and the EU's temporary measures, I believe this kicks the can down the road for nine months:
"The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions."
So no worry over permits?
"In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK. The Commission has today adopted the following technical measures"
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
This is quite an interesting thread about how the right have slowly moved towards "owning the libs" as their main driving force.
It could be summed up this way: the Left has always hated the right, especially poor white rightwingers, and the Left is pretty open about this, accusing the "gammons", "deplorables", "gilets jaunes" of racism/stupidity etc etc
For the first time, poor white people are beginning to hate the Left in turn, and automatically oppose everything the Left says and thinks; these people will do anything to upset the Left, just BECAUSE it upsets them. Trump has benefited.
And clearly the phenomenon has crossed the Atlantic. How many Brexiteers voted Leave, just because it would distress liberal metropolitan snobs? Quite a few, I reckon.
What's more, it will very likely get worse.
If there was a second referendum it might be the only reason i would vote leave.
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
Just a stupid man...
The real significance is both sides going into their bunkers and being even less willing to come up with a way out of Brexit logjam. Personal animosity allied with stubborness and political differences is not likely to make for a government of national unity.
Incidentally @TSE I read this this morning and thought of you:
Action film Die Hard came in sixth place. There's always a fierce debate about whether Die Hard is really a Christmas film. Bruce Willis plays an off-duty cop who walks barefoot through broken glass to stop a group of German terrorists - not exactly a traditional Christmas vibe. But it is set on Christmas Eve, and who doesn't enjoy watching an action classic with the family and a box of chocs?
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU. UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019. UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years. Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay. UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
Well there's a surprise...
I thought managed no deal was a myth. This is exactly that...
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
Not very much in the UK previously (the US is obviously different).
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
This is quite an interesting thread about how the right have slowly moved towards "owning the libs" as their main driving force.
It could be summed up this way: the Left has always hated the right, especially poor white rightwingers, and the Left is pretty open about this, accusing the "gammons", "deplorables", "gilets jaunes" of racism/stupidity etc etc
For the first time, poor white people are beginning to hate the Left in turn, and automatically oppose everything the Left says and thinks; these people will do anything to upset the Left, just BECAUSE it upsets them. Trump has benefited.
And clearly the phenomenon has crossed the Atlantic. How many Brexiteers voted Leave, just because it would distress liberal metropolitan snobs? Quite a few, I reckon.
What's more, it will very likely get worse.
TBH the American right and some white parts of it were ahead of the game a long time before Hillary made her deplorables comments. Right wing extremists were agitating for a long time in America. It is to a lesser extent in Britain but we have a similar situation with an extreme section whipped up further by the right wing press. Jo Cox was killed before Brexit happened.
What happened in America isn't white people fighting back, it is a deliberate strategy on behalf of the Republican party to push a culture war and hover up enough of the white vote by railing against the minorities and other weak groups. The Republican party had 2 choices, start reaching out to more groups in society or double down on their white vote by embracing hatred and division.
The democrat party has plenty of responsibility for the situation that has developed in America and for not being a better alternative and for making Clinton their candidate but the American right chose xenophobia, hatred and racism. They raced ahead of any attempt by the left to push them.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU.
No, the deal was UK operated flights could make technical stops in the EU without restriction. Technical stops do not allow passengers to board or disembark.
To actually fly passengers to/from locations UK operated flights would have to apply for permission.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU. UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019. UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years. Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay. UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
Well there's a surprise...
I thought managed no deal was a myth. This is exactly that...
It's pretty much on the EU's terms, that said. It just contracts the transition period to nine months.
Can someone do a comparison between Gorden Kaye saying 'You Stupid Woman' on 'Allo, 'Allo and today's video?
I fear that the French accent and more deliberate speech pattern might make it tricky - but as it was a frequently used phrase in that show, it might shed some light on things!
In football, to call someone a 'black c*nt' is a racial slur. To call someone a 'c*nt' is common banter. The colour of the skin is the issue. 'Gammon' doesn't refer to its nutrient flavour but to the colour of the skin. Ah, you may say, but the reason behind it is the real issue; calling someone a 'Gammon' is merely mocking their skin colour, so that's alright.
I fully agree, go right ahead and use it at every opportunity you can.
This is not quite right. It is not mocking the base colour of the skin, that would be racist, it is mocking the RAISED colour of the skin due to the angry rush of blood pressure which typically accompanies a diatribe on how 'the country is full' and how we need to be an independent coastal state with complete control over our borders and our fish.
We all come across these types. Well I don't, I live in Hampstead, but if I got out of my locale a bit more I'm sure I would.
Edit: And I've seen them on the television.
If you are red faced due to high blood pressure its pretty much a permanent state. They arent red when angry, just generally red all the time.
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
I think it is a new phenomenon in Britain, and fairly new in America. Moreover, it has never had an obvious influence on politics: until Trump, and in part, Brexit and the Gilets Jaunes.
White identity politics has always been strong in the South. It's probably strongest of all in Mississippi where in a typical election, 85-90% of white people vote Republican, and 95-98% of black people vote Democratic.
It's notable though that non-Hispanic whites across the US as a whole now vote Republican in the same proportion that Southern Whites did 30 years ago, and the proportion will probably keep rising.
I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
We have 3.7 million Eu citizens in the UK. Every year we have a net addition of 100,000 Eu citizens to the uk.
Actually we have 62.9m EU citizens in the UK. Sadly, about 59.2m are in danger of having that citizenship stripped from them.
Minus about 7 million British citizens entitled to Irish passports who haven't already got one. So Arlene Foster for example will be all right, as will Tony Blair.
But you're right. Most of us are being stripped of our EU citizenship because millions of xenophobic Sun readers have globbed on to the EU membership issue because that's the path of least resistance.
7 million O_O !?
That’s the solution!
We should all get Irish passports and vote for the reunification of the British Isles!
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".
Actually, looking at it again. I do believe it could be Stupid Woman.
Meanwhile, re the backstop and the EU's temporary measures, I believe this kicks the can down the road for nine months:
"The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions."
So no worry over permits?
"In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK. The Commission has today adopted the following technical measures"
I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
We have 3.7 million Eu citizens in the UK. Every year we have a net addition of 100,000 Eu citizens to the uk.
Actually we have 62.9m EU citizens in the UK. Sadly, about 59.2m are in danger of having that citizenship stripped from them.
Minus about 7 million British citizens entitled to Irish passports who haven't already got one. So Arlene Foster for example will be all right, as will Tony Blair.
But you're right. Most of us are being stripped of our EU citizenship because millions of xenophobic Sun readers have globbed on to the EU membership issue because that's the path of least resistance.
7 million O_O !?
That’s the solution!
We should all get Irish passports and vote for the reunification of the British Isles!
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU. UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019. UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years. Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay. UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
Well there's a surprise...
I thought managed no deal was a myth. This is exactly that...
It's pretty much on the EU's terms, that said. It just contracts the transition period to nine months.
But the withdrawal agreement was 24 months and it came with two years of membership fees.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
It will pass most people by and in so far as it is noticed at all the general response is likely to be of bemusement - certainly not outrage. I am sure MPs call each other 'stupid' on a regular basis - even when sitting on the same side of the House. I recall an incident just prior to Parliament being dissolved in May 1970 when the Shadow Chancellor - Iain Macleod - muttered 'Bastard' at Harold Wilson. Nobody made a fuss over that at all!
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
This is quite an interesting thread about how the right have slowly moved towards "owning the libs" as their main driving force.
It could be summed up this way: the Left has always hated the right, especially poor white rightwingers, and the Left is pretty open about this, accusing the "gammons", "deplorables", "gilets jaunes" of racism/stupidity etc etc
For the first time, poor white people are beginning to hate the Left in turn, and automatically oppose everything the Left says and thinks; these people will do anything to upset the Left, just BECAUSE it upsets them. Trump has benefited.
And clearly the phenomenon has crossed the Atlantic. How many Brexiteers voted Leave, just because it would distress liberal metropolitan snobs? Quite a few, I reckon.
What's more, it will very likely get worse.
TBH the American right and some white parts of it were ahead of the game a long time before Hillary made her deplorables comments. Right wing extremists were agitating for a long time in America. It is to a lesser extent in Britain but we have a similar situation with an extreme section whipped up further by the right wing press. Jo Cox was killed before Brexit happened.
What happened in America isn't white people fighting back, it is a deliberate strategy on behalf of the Republican party to push a culture war and hover up enough of the white vote by railing against the minorities and other weak groups. The Republican party had 2 choices, start reaching out to more groups in society or double down on their white vote by embracing hatred and division.
The democrat party has plenty of responsibility for the situation that has developed in America and for not being a better alternative and for making Clinton their candidate but the American right chose xenophobia, hatred and racism. They raced ahead of any attempt by the left to push them.
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
I see nothing untoward about calling someone a 'stupid man' or a 'stupid woman'.
Stupid 'woman' is a particular old fashioned expression which is offensive and patronising
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU. UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019. UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years. Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay. UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
Well there's a surprise...
I thought managed no deal was a myth. This is exactly that...
It's pretty much on the EU's terms, that said. It just contracts the transition period to nine months.
But the withdrawal agreement was 24 months and it came with two years of membership fees.
Yes absolutely it contracts the withdrawal period. As for the £39bn wasn't some/all of that scheduled and contracted rather than ongoing fees for membership?
And then at the end of the nine months, presumably, if we are still in turmoil, it will be extended again, but all of this is in the context of the following:
"In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK."
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
How do you know it's dreadful?
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?
Across the pond America had a series of acrimonious elections followed by a civil war on the tricky subject of whether black people were human beings or property.
The rule remains that all Speakers are "Mr Speaker" unless they state a preference otherwise., Betty Boothroyd did, I think, as speaker - but as deputy speaker? note sure.
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
I think it is a new phenomenon in Britain, and fairly new in America. Moreover, it has never had an obvious influence on politics: until Trump, and in part, Brexit and the Gilets Jaunes.
Identity politics in the uk has always been a game of minority top trumps, largely an urban game of who can deploy the most resources on grateful minorities.
Brexit was the very first time in modern uk politics when white working class people fought back. That it was such an easy win was as much as a shock to them as everyone else.
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
I see nothing untoward about calling someone a 'stupid man' or a 'stupid woman'.
Stupid 'woman' is a particular old fashioned expression which is offensive and patronising
No more so than being called a stupid'man'. To suggest otherwise is blatantly sexist.
More significant than it seems. It fits the stereotype of an old fashioned lefty from the days of male dominated unions and closed shops. Quite a slip for someone who by all accounts is well mannered.
Just a stupid man...
The real significance is both sides going into their bunkers and being even less willing to come up with a way out of Brexit logjam. Personal animosity allied with stubborness and political differences is not likely to make for a government of national unity.
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?
Across the pond America had a series of acrimonious elections followed by a civil war on the tricky subject of whether black people were human beings or property.
Colin Jordan and his ilk have been pretty marginal political figures.
Not true. Last year the Queen and Prince Phillip both had heavy colds and it delayed their departure for Sandringham.
That said, I did wonder aloud if an announcement about one or other of them was imminent, and it turned out I was right although not in the way I expected.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
No reference to what Wilson said in 1947 as if it were relevant today. You disappoint.
Whilst all the arguments rage (or whimper?) about what one adult may or may not have said to another adult, I notice the EU have published their No Deal Brexit plans this morning which seem on face value to deal with a lot of the concerns about immediate impacts.
So.
UK flights will be allowed to operate into and out of the EU. UK Road Hauliers will be able to drive on EU roads without additional permits until the end of 2019. UK financial services regulations - in a limited number of areas - to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years. Visas will not be required for UK visitors to the EU for less than 90 days stay. UK citizens who have lived in the EU for more than 5 years must be granted long term residents status.
Well there's a surprise...
I thought managed no deal was a myth. This is exactly that...
It's pretty much on the EU's terms, that said. It just contracts the transition period to nine months.
But the withdrawal agreement was 24 months and it came with two years of membership fees.
Yes absolutely it contracts the withdrawal period. As for the £39bn wasn't some/all of that scheduled and contracted rather than ongoing fees for membership?
And then at the end of the nine months, presumably, if we are still in turmoil, it will be extended again, but all of this is in the context of the following:
"In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK."
Do we have any idea of an ERG response to this?
I think the vast bulk was two years membership fees, then various programmes we still are signed up to and then pension contributions. We were clearly done up like a kipper on this figure, but their insistence on sequencing meant the longer we talked about the bill the less time we had on the WA. Tick Tock was the tweet...
The rule remains that all Speakers are "Mr Speaker" unless they state a preference otherwise., Betty Boothroyd did, I think, as speaker - but as deputy speaker? note sure.
She asked to be called 'Madame Deputy Speaker' on her first day in 1988(?). So yes, it may have been one of the others.
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
No reference to what Wilson said in 1947 as if it were relevant today. You disappoint.
What was the point in sharing this? The fact that a nation with a population 20x our own is going to overtake us in total GDP should be cause for very modest celebration. Very modest because the standard of living for hundreds of millions of Indians is still absolutely wretched, and malnutrition is worse than in Sub-Saharan Africa.
It will be good when they reach 90%+ literacy. After all, it’s been a priority since 1947.
Indeed. Some seem to almost feel a perverse joy at the idea we are declining, when as you note India really should be above us
I could not care less whether Corbyn said it or not. Even if he did , half the country is likely to agree with him. Now had he called her a 'silly F..... Cow' - that would have been a different matter!
You may not care but the PR for Corbyn is dreadful and the story has more to come
How do you know it's dreadful?
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
What was the point in sharing this? The fact that a nation with a population 20x our own is going to overtake us in total GDP should be cause for very modest celebration. Very modest because the standard of living for hundreds of millions of Indians is still absolutely wretched, and malnutrition is worse than in Sub-Saharan Africa.
It will be good when they reach 90%+ literacy. After all, it’s been a priority since 1947.
Indeed. Some seem to almost feel a perverse joy at the idea we are declining, when as you note India really should be above us
India's GDP could be five times the size of ours, and we'd still have a much higher standard of living.
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.
You're us put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.
Can anyone think of what happened the last time that white men decided to act politically as a cohesive minority group?
The Grand Tour.
The second series was rather good. My wife's stepmother is the producer.
In all seriousness, there's now plenty of evidence that white people, especially poorer white women and men, are beginning to cohere as a political bloc, based on their race and background.
This is a game-changing phenomenon in white countries, if it endures and progresses (and I see no reason why it shouldn't). It was entirely predictable, given the way the Left relentlessly bangs on about sexual and racial identity and white guilt, eventually the gammonistas were bound to react, and fight back - and vote - on the basis of their racial identity.
Trump is president because of this phenomenon. He's probably just the beginning. The Left is creating a powerful and very dangerous enemy for itself.
All politics is identity politics. If you think white people haven't been cohering as a political block in the past then you haven't been paying attention.
Not in the sense of "vote for X because you are a white man".
"If you want a n****r for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour" ring any bells?
A one off, widely condemned at the time, and from the distant past.
Comments
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1075396889971953664
I’m sure the UKIP crowd would love that !
Actually, looking at it again. I do believe it could be Stupid Woman.
Meanwhile, re the backstop and the EU's temporary measures, I believe this kicks the can down the road for nine months:
"The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions."
There are plenty of occasions when you can talk about stupid people - but it tends to come in the context of a longer phrase or sentence. 'There are a lot of stupid people who believe..' - that sort of thing. And indeed that is what Google appears to be showing up.
I honestly cannot think of any time in my nearly 50 years on this planet when someone has used 'Stupid People' as a standalone phrase in this sort of circumstance (as a dismissive retort/reaction)
I then repeatedly mouthed both words at random, and she got it right every time.
Good afternoon, everyone.
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1075394489529835520
And, incidentally, I have always thought Balls really did say 'so weak' as well.
I hope for his sake it is 'stupid people.' Otherwise he's going to be in much more trouble for lying about it than he would have been for saying it.
My wife has justed watched it and has said it was 'woman'.
I fear that the French accent and more deliberate speech pattern might make it tricky - but as it was a frequently used phrase in that show, it might shed some light on things!
Pretty self-explanatory.
The real significance is both sides going into their bunkers and being even less willing to come up with a way out of Brexit logjam. Personal animosity allied with stubborness and political differences is not likely to make for a government of national unity.
Action film Die Hard came in sixth place.
There's always a fierce debate about whether Die Hard is really a Christmas film.
Bruce Willis plays an off-duty cop who walks barefoot through broken glass to stop a group of German terrorists - not exactly a traditional Christmas vibe.
But it is set on Christmas Eve, and who doesn't enjoy watching an action classic with the family and a box of chocs?
Best Christmas film: Elf, The Muppets and Love Actually miss top spot
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46616452
What happened in America isn't white people fighting back, it is a deliberate strategy on behalf of the Republican party to push a culture war and hover up enough of the white vote by railing against the minorities and other weak groups. The Republican party had 2 choices, start reaching out to more groups in society or double down on their white vote by embracing hatred and division.
The democrat party has plenty of responsibility for the situation that has developed in America and for not being a better alternative and for making Clinton their candidate but the American right chose xenophobia, hatred and racism. They raced ahead of any attempt by the left to push them.
To actually fly passengers to/from locations UK operated flights would have to apply for permission.
Mr. 124, I largely agree it's a storm in a teacup, but there is a strange respect for May in the country, so it may not go down well.
However, Boothroyd dropped on him like a ton of bricks and he withdrew it.
It's notable though that non-Hispanic whites across the US as a whole now vote Republican in the same proportion that Southern Whites did 30 years ago, and the proportion will probably keep rising.
We should all get Irish passports and vote for the reunification of the British Isles!
So we can conclude that Corbyn definitely said "stupid woople"
"Stupid gammon"
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1075389803598888961
I can hardly stop laughing.
And then at the end of the nine months, presumably, if we are still in turmoil, it will be extended again, but all of this is in the context of the following:
"In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK."
Do we have any idea of an ERG response to this?
I agree with Justin. Having just caught up with this story and watched Mrs May's peculiar panto rant, my instant thought was ""stupid woman". I could actually have been ruder. If it had been a man, I would have thought "stupid prick". Then I saw Corbyn mouth something similar and thought "you're right".
I don't know whether the offence is to describe her as stupid or describe her as a woman. PC storm in a teacup brewed up by Corbyn haters.
Across the pond America had a series of acrimonious elections followed by a civil war on the tricky subject of whether black people were human beings or property.
Brexit was the very first time in modern uk politics when white working class people fought back. That it was such an easy win was as much as a shock to them as everyone else.
That said, I did wonder aloud if an announcement about one or other of them was imminent, and it turned out I was right although not in the way I expected.
The Church takes these things seriously.
I wonder if Gove will weigh in and if he doesn’t condemn Boles......
I suspect outrage and lack of outrage will mysteriously switch places for this event compared to that one.
Referendum with not much support from MPs gets confirmation that some MPs will not be allowed to support..