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What?!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Bercow will be lucky to see the day outTheScreamingEagles said:Andrea Leadsom absolutely destroys Bercow there.
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Calm Down Dear was a well know line from a regular advert seen on TV at the time.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't Corbyn such a polite old-fashioned gentleman that he calls terrorist sympathisers and anti-semites "friends" out of simple courtesy?TheScreamingEagles said:After the crap David Cameron had to deal with over 'Calm down dear'
I am loving this
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1075371683618406402
We all knew that Cameron was an arrogant twit, and "calm down dear" only confirmed that, but Corbyn has now contradicted his established persona of affable reasonableness. Oh dear.0 -
It is really quite a remarkable feat to unite the Tories.0
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Hahahahahahaha.TGOHF said:
Gammon is like the N word - it says more about the person saying it than shocks as an insult.grabcocque said:
That's the best thing about "gammon" as an insult: how touchy gammons get about it.Sean_F said:
It is however a silly insult on the part of some left wingers.grabcocque said:
Friendly reminder: gammons are not a race, and being a puce-hued shouty racist isn't a protected characteristic.
You're right, gammon is just as bad as the n-word. In many ways, the gentle mockery leavers have had to endure is actually even worse than slavery.0 -
It could be that high. I'm entitled to an Irish passport, but I have no desire to obtain one.Pulpstar said:
7 million O_O !?Oort said:
Minus about 7 million British citizens entitled to Irish passports who haven't already got one. So Arlene Foster for example will be all right, as will Tony Blair.Benpointer said:
Actually we have 62.9m EU citizens in the UK. Sadly, about 59.2m are in danger of having that citizenship stripped from them.notme2 said:grabcocque said:I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
We have 3.7 million Eu citizens in the UK. Every year we have a net addition of 100,000 Eu citizens to the uk.grabcocque said:I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
But you're right. Most of us are being stripped of our EU citizenship because millions of xenophobic Sun readers have globbed on to the EU membership issue because that's the path of least resistance.0 -
What a disaster Bercow is0
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The way the whole Tory party are going for Bercow is astonishing.0
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Not a good look from CorbynTheScreamingEagles said:After the crap David Cameron had to deal with over 'Calm down dear'
I am loving this
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/10753716836184064020 -
https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1075374221361070080
Bercow doesn't have plausible deniability on this.0 -
Source:Pulpstar said:
7 million O_O !?Oort said:
Minus about 7 million British citizens entitled to Irish passports who haven't already got one. So Arlene Foster for example will be all right, as will Tony Blair.Benpointer said:
Actually we have 62.9m EU citizens in the UK. Sadly, about 59.2m are in danger of having that citizenship stripped from them.notme2 said:grabcocque said:I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
We have 3.7 million Eu citizens in the UK. Every year we have a net addition of 100,000 Eu citizens to the uk.grabcocque said:I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
But you're right. Most of us are being stripped of our EU citizenship because millions of xenophobic Sun readers have globbed on to the EU membership issue because that's the path of least resistance.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/magazine-37246769
"That means about 6.7 million people in the UK who don't already have an Irish passport who could be entitled to one. We think that's a conservative estimate, but it's still quite a lot more than the current population of the Republic of Ireland, which is 4.8 million."0 -
Ah see, we have it right here. To paraphrase, they are white and older, probably alright, even if they are getting a bit of racism, its alright, look at them, on their gold plated pensions in their houses they bought for next to nowt. Do 'em a bit of good to see what others suffer. With their fat gammon faces taking away our future etc etcgrabcocque said:
Here's a picture of me playing a tiny violin for those poor, hard-done-by old white racists.notme2 said:
That pretty much open and shut case of racism. It’s just a more acceptable form of racism because you assume white older people are fair game.
Poor things. Must be hard for them.
This is why the left is myopic about anti-semitism. Everything is seen through the marxist perception of victim and oppressor. " They seem to be rich, well connected and powerful. They dont look like victims to me."0 -
Matt Hancock is awesome, he's just offered Bercow his phone.0
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They are Remainers..Donny43 said:
Yeah, but those are Tories.AlastairMeeks said:
This seems to have been the general view on past occasions:Benpointer said:
Why is calling somebody a "stupid woman" sexist?AlastairMeeks said:
If he can lay a wreath for dead terrorists, no one is going to care about on-the-record sexism.Scott_P said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/philip-hammond-caught-up-sexism-12953514
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/07/10/stupid-woman-hague-under-fire-for-sexist-pmqs-jibe
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Is it?williamglenn said:The way the whole Tory party are going for Bercow is astonishing.
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Beckett just makes it worse0
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Bercow is probably right on this narrow point, tbh.
Struggling to have any sympathy for him though.
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Vicky Ford, Anna Soubry, Andrea Leadsom to name but three.Sean_F said:
Is it?williamglenn said:The way the whole Tory party are going for Bercow is astonishing.
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I think the hard-left should use 'gammon' more. It shows their hypocrisy and they're too stupid to see it.0
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Bercow needs to suspend the house, so everyone can calm down.0
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Not really - he's a better LotO than Corbyn.williamglenn said:The way the whole Tory party are going for Bercow is astonishing.
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It seems like someone from team Javid was reading PB over the last few years. £30k minimum income for migration is the simplest and best way forwards.0
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What rot. If a Tory said that about Diane Abbott, they’d be outrage.grabcocque said:To be fair, if you looked up "stupid woman" in a dictionary, there's a good chance it would have a picture of Andrea Leadsom.
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He's on the right track, of course! She's perhaps not stupid but unable to understand the consequences of her actions on other people.HYUFD said:
Not a good look from CorbynTheScreamingEagles said:After the crap David Cameron had to deal with over 'Calm down dear'
I am loving this
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/10753716836184064020 -
So where is it?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/JasonCowleyNS/status/1075362887156359168
What are we expecting?
Come on - we've still got 20 mins to speculate!0 -
Indeed, she went to Cambridge University, which means she's the opposite of a stupid woman.AmpfieldAndy said:
What rot. If a Tory said that about Diane Abbott, they’d be outrage.grabcocque said:To be fair, if you looked up "stupid woman" in a dictionary, there's a good chance it would have a picture of Andrea Leadsom.
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Holding back now that the Commons is in meltdown?Stereotomy said:
So where is it?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/JasonCowleyNS/status/1075362887156359168
What are we expecting?
Come on - we've still got 20 mins to speculate!0 -
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You do demonstrate an interesting trend of the far right. Devoid of any actual harm, you guys need to invent a grievances so you can feel victimised. It's ludicrous, prima facie, to think the old, white people that unleashed this Brexit disaster should not face mockery for their actions.notme2 said:
This is why the left is myopic about anti-semitism. " They seem to be rich, well connected and powerful. They dont look like victims to me."
But you don't think racism is bad, so you attempt to don the mantle of victimisation by essentially redefining racism to mean "holding people accountable for their racism".
But, here's the rub, you don't get to redefine racism. The alt reich don't get to redefine racism. Gammons don't get to redefine racism. And gammons cannot escape a reckoning for what they have wrought by trying to pathetically claim victim status.
Suck it up, gammons.0 -
I guess all the crap as hit the fan elsewhere.....Stereotomy said:
So where is it?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/JasonCowleyNS/status/1075362887156359168
What are we expecting?
Come on - we've still got 20 mins to speculate!0 -
Can't see how that wouldn't make it worse.rottenborough said:Bercow needs to suspend the house, so everyone can calm down.
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Quite. I can only assume her weakness on detail is more about laziness, illness or age.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, she went to Cambridge University, which means she's the opposite of a stupid woman.AmpfieldAndy said:
What rot. If a Tory said that about Diane Abbott, they’d be outrage.grabcocque said:To be fair, if you looked up "stupid woman" in a dictionary, there's a good chance it would have a picture of Andrea Leadsom.
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Events, dear boy.Stereotomy said:
So where is it?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/JasonCowleyNS/status/1075362887156359168
What are we expecting?
Come on - we've still got 20 mins to speculate!0 -
Dunno about that. "Stupid Woman" is so benign compared to the sort of insult she is sadly accustomed to that she would probably feel quite chuffed about it.AmpfieldAndy said:What rot. If a Tory said that about Diane Abbott, they’d be outrage.
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Only thing I can see on Newstatesman blog is Len McCluskey going on about no to a 2nd referendum.
That 'aint Big nor is it New.
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Corbyn ends up a car crash week for him being dragged to the HOC to apologise for calling the PM a 'stupid woman'
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Love bbc iplayer... Parliament live its like a netflix marathon!0
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To be clear, using "stupid woman" as an insult like that is problematic, because it has disrespectful and misogynistic overtones. If Mr Corbyn said that, then he should immediately return to the house to apologise to Mrs May and withdraw the comment.
This is what Bercow should have said.
On a point of order: if Hansard does not record a thing as having been said, has it been said?0 -
The prosecution rests m'lud...grabcocque said:
Hahahahahahaha.TGOHF said:
Gammon is like the N word - it says more about the person saying it than shocks as an insult.grabcocque said:
That's the best thing about "gammon" as an insult: how touchy gammons get about it.Sean_F said:
It is however a silly insult on the part of some left wingers.grabcocque said:
Friendly reminder: gammons are not a race, and being a puce-hued shouty racist isn't a protected characteristic.
You're right, gammon is just as bad as the n-word. In many ways, the gentle mockery leavers have had to endure is actually even worse than slavery.
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40% is fair bit higher than I would have it personally.
https://twitter.com/kevcunningham/status/10753770573523517440 -
Should that not be "Suck it up, gammons - you won"? Asking on behalf of a turkey....grabcocque said:Suck it up, gammons.
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You are complaining about flagrant abuse of the power of the press to promote the interests of the people who run it? I think you may not have been paying attention since the time of William Caxton.tlg86 said:
Thanks for that, it stands out like a sore thumb. Rotten to the core.MyBurningEars said:
This is bad of me, but one of the things that really jumped out at me from that front cover is https://order-order.com/2018/02/15/standard-deliveroo-love-in/williamglenn said:
What are they playing at? It's bizarre. Imagine The Times regularly giving praise-laden front-page coverage to Pizza Express.
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Allo AlloTheScreamingEagles said:
Calm Down Dear was a well know line from a regular advert seen on TV at the time.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't Corbyn such a polite old-fashioned gentleman that he calls terrorist sympathisers and anti-semites "friends" out of simple courtesy?TheScreamingEagles said:After the crap David Cameron had to deal with over 'Calm down dear'
I am loving this
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1075371683618406402
We all knew that Cameron was an arrogant twit, and "calm down dear" only confirmed that, but Corbyn has now contradicted his established persona of affable reasonableness. Oh dear.0 -
May went to Oxford University. Either you have parliamentary standards or you do not. Leadsom’s accusation of double standards is perfectly justified.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, she went to Cambridge University, which means she's the opposite of a stupid woman.AmpfieldAndy said:
What rot. If a Tory said that about Diane Abbott, they’d be outrage.grabcocque said:To be fair, if you looked up "stupid woman" in a dictionary, there's a good chance it would have a picture of Andrea Leadsom.
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Maybe the Labour leadership should take the Christmas holiday to think whether the hour cometh for Magic Grandpa to think about retiring.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn ends up a car crash week for him being dragged to the HOC to apologise for calling the PM a 'stupid woman'
You could not make it up
Let Starmer and Watson and mcDonnell take it from here.0 -
Far right. Lol. I was married to an african woman for fifteen years. I just recognise hypocrisy when i see it.grabcocque said:
You do demonstrate an interesting trend of the far right. Devoid of any actual harm, you guys need to invent a grievances so you can feel victimised. It's ludicrous, prima facie, to think the old, white people that unleashed this Brexit disaster should not face mockery for their actions.notme2 said:
This is why the left is myopic about anti-semitism. " They seem to be rich, well connected and powerful. They dont look like victims to me."
But you don't think racism is bad, so you attempt to don the mantle of victimisation by essentially redefining racism to mean "holding people accountable for their racism".
But, here's the rub, you don't get to redefine racism. The alt reich don't get to redefine racism. Gammons don't get to redefine racism. And gammons cannot escape a reckoning for what they have wrought by trying to pathetically claim victim status.
Suck it up, gammons.0 -
Corbyn is probably still typing up his apology before its publication on the NS website....Donny43 said:
Events, dear boy.Stereotomy said:
So where is it?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/JasonCowleyNS/status/1075362887156359168
What are we expecting?
Come on - we've still got 20 mins to speculate!0 -
He is relieved that there is uproar and noise to give him 'thinking time'. Normally he would be demanding order! order!SeanT said:
Wow. He looks deeply pained. A knee in the cullions.TheScreamingEagles said:Leadsom for Leader.
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1075375662817517569
Not sure that is a facial expression I have seen him pull before. Looks as if he is having a beer barrel inserted in an orifice.0 -
This reminds me of my favourite "Bercowsplaining" image.
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https://i.imgur.com/xgz9nkR.gifTheScreamingEagles said:Leadsom for Leader.
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/10753756628175175690 -
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Quite of the Day, 19xii18CD13 said:I think the hard-left should use 'gammon' more. It shows their hypocrisy and they're too stupid to see it.
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What is the basis for the probabilties ?Andrew said:40% is fair bit higher than I would have it personally.
https://twitter.com/kevcunningham/status/10753770573523517440 -
That's "you stupid woman".bigjohnowls said:
Allo AlloTheScreamingEagles said:
Calm Down Dear was a well know line from a regular advert seen on TV at the time.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't Corbyn such a polite old-fashioned gentleman that he calls terrorist sympathisers and anti-semites "friends" out of simple courtesy?TheScreamingEagles said:After the crap David Cameron had to deal with over 'Calm down dear'
I am loving this
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1075371683618406402
We all knew that Cameron was an arrogant twit, and "calm down dear" only confirmed that, but Corbyn has now contradicted his established persona of affable reasonableness. Oh dear.0 -
Is the Staggers big announcement this from McCluskey?
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/12/len-mccluskey-second-brexit-referendum-risks-tearing-our-society-apart
Are any of the Unite sponsored Labour MPs in favour of a 2nd vote?0 -
I don't understand why Bercow made such a mess of this?
1. I did not hear Mr Corbyn make the remark.
2. If he did make the remark, he should come to the house to apologise and withdraw the remark.
3. I wait to hear from Mr Corbyn if he denies having made the remark. If he does, I will refer the matter to the commons standards committee.0 -
Looks like Corbyn is going to try and lie his way out of it..0
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Surely Messiahs do not retire? They get "taken up" and their followers then fight over their shoes and gourds.grabcocque said:
Maybe the Labour leadership should take the Christmas holiday to think whether the hour cometh for Magic Grandpa to think about retiring.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn ends up a car crash week for him being dragged to the HOC to apologise for calling the PM a 'stupid woman'
You could not make it up
Let Starmer and Watson and mcDonnell take it from here.
I have seen that long documentary. I know how it works. Romani ite domum0 -
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I was once caught in a storm off the Falklands which locals said was the worst on record. I have photos looking out of a porthole with the sea at 45%. We all survived.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There were only 6 of us in the dining room for breakfast with most confined to their cabins with anti sea sickness medication. The voyage from Antartica to South Georgia following Ernest Shackleton's sea route was mostly in a hurricane seaCarlottaVance said:
When I crossed the Drake Passage on the Lyubov Orlova (subsequently broke her tow on the way to the breakers and subject of lurid headlines about cannibal rats) the captain came on the tannoy and said; 'There are two types of objects in your cabin. Those on the floor, and those which will shortly be on the floor. I suggest you intervene in the process'. It was pretty rocky and we were confined to our cabins for a day with ham sandwiches handed out - but great fun!Big_G_NorthWales said:
We experienced similar sea conditions at times and are fortunate that we are excellent sailors and considered it part of the voyageMarqueeMark said:
Lucky you. I glimpsed land in Antarctica at first light, then a 48 hour storm meant anyone not up at penguin's fart never saw it. The ship's captain, a Dutch chap in his 70's, said those 48 hours were the worst conditions of his entire career..... Icebergs with a Force 11 behind them can't half shift! We eventually made it out, to head on to South Georgia and beyond.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was our retirement present to each other in 2009 and was a voyage into a world of unbelievable beauty and experiences. We landed on Antartica under strict environment and safety procedures and got up close with the king penguins and seals. One of the bays we arrived at had 22 glaciers, flat calm sea with icebergs and whales gently carving through the crystal clear water. We also had several days of hurricane seas.SandyRentool said:
That sounds like an incredible trip.Big_G_NorthWales said:IanB2 said:
Is there anything there apart from birds and seals?Big_G_NorthWales said:
South Georgia is magnificient and should be on everyone's bucket listFoxy said:
Kerguelen is aFrench dependancy, not sure he would get a visa. Could I suggest South Georgia?MarqueeMark said:
I have always said it was a shit deal.IanB2 said:
So as a deal hater yourself, you are reconsidering?
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My understanding is no. If it is not recorded it was not said. Of course that only worked before the days of recording Parliament electronically.grabcocque said:To be clear, using "stupid woman" as an insult like that is problematic, because it has disrespectful and misogynistic overtones. If Mr Corbyn said that, then he should immediately return to the house to apologise to Mrs May and withdraw the comment.
This is what Bercow should have said.
On a point of order: if Hansard does not record a thing as having been said, has it been said?0 -
Corbyn denies. Bercow should just wipe his hands of this shitshow by referring it to the commons standards committee.0
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People who think gammon is racist have a bit of a victim complex, people who compare it to seriously racist words probably just have some very confused views on the subject of racism.
I'm not exactly great at lip reading myself but is that clear enough for it to be proof that he said stupid woman, watched it a few times and couldn't confirm it to any level but not something I'm good at doing.
Wouldn't be impressed if he did, not his usual standard.0 -
https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1075380545964728320Scott_P said:
Yeah, I bet they weren't saying that with the Chelsea fan/Raheem Sterling incident.0 -
Thats not trueScott_P said:
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One of our frothier gammon-apolgists just compared it to the n-word. That's quite the victim complex.TheJezziah said:People who think gammon is racist have a bit of a victim complex, people who compare it to seriously racist words probably just have some very confused views on the subject themself.
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Gammon isn't a big deal - but using it does confirm the user is a virtue signalling FBPE wanker.TheJezziah said:People who think gammon is racist have a bit of a victim complex, people who compare it to seriously racist words probably just have some very confused views on the subject of racism.
I'm not exactly great at lip reading myself but is that clear enough for it to be proof that he said stupid woman, watched it a few times and couldn't confirm it to any level but not something I'm good at doing.
Wouldn't be impressed if he did, not his usual standard.
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It's a lovely day when the Christmas holidays begin.Scott_P said:
Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.
Whether that helps him or not I don't know. A sexist smear at his enemies might be better than calling all his supporters 'stupid.'0 -
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.0 -
I was struggling to fit woman into the second word he mouthed... people looks to fit a bit better watching the video again.Scott_P said:
Although calling people stupid is below his usual standard as well.
Edit: Conservatives taken attention away from their own flaws and painted Corbyn as the problem though. Job done..0 -
How do you have time to frequent other places?!grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.0 -
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I voted to leave, you messy bitch.TGOHF said:
Gammon isn't a big deal - but using it does confirm the user is a virtue signalling FBPE wanker.TheJezziah said:People who think gammon is racist have a bit of a victim complex, people who compare it to seriously racist words probably just have some very confused views on the subject of racism.
I'm not exactly great at lip reading myself but is that clear enough for it to be proof that he said stupid woman, watched it a few times and couldn't confirm it to any level but not something I'm good at doing.
Wouldn't be impressed if he did, not his usual standard.0 -
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Pulpstar said:
What is the basis for the probabilties ?
A survey of "100 experts".
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-policy-panel-november-2018/
"Our experts think there is a 52% chance that the government’s deal will _eventually_ be passed by Parliament ...." (my emphasis, as they only have it at 19% to pass by 19/Jan).
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Well, this place and Twitter. I presume that other websites are available, but not while Brexit is happening.Mortimer said:
How do you have time to frequent other places?!grabcocque said:
Ssssssh, you're not supposed to point it out. PB is the only place I frequent where the word routinely provokes a hilarious overreactions from people. Soon it will have no power anywhere at all.SeanT said:
Those who use it now on Twitter and elsewhere just look passe and vindictive, and a little dim; those who over-react to it are fools.
Somewhat surprised we haven't seen a reclamation movement from the right yet.
#gammonpride
OH SNAP I JUST INVENTED A NEW MOVEMENT.0 -
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brave sir jeremy ran away.Scott_P said:0 -
52%Andrew said:Pulpstar said:
What is the basis for the probabilties ?
A survey of "100 experts".
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-policy-panel-november-2018/
"Our experts think there is a 52% chance that the government’s deal will _eventually_ be passed by Parliament ...." (my emphasis, as they only have it at 19% to pass by 19/Jan).
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I have to say, in a sense, that's almost to miss the point. Is it really smart of him to make muttered asides about anyone being stupid while he's on camera?TheJezziah said:People who think gammon is racist have a bit of a victim complex, people who compare it to seriously racist words probably just have some very confused views on the subject of racism.
I'm not exactly great at lip reading myself but is that clear enough for it to be proof that he said stupid woman, watched it a few times and couldn't confirm it to any level but not something I'm good at doing.
Wouldn't be impressed if he did, not his usual standard.
OK, so I have occasionally said such things, especially to the incompetent loons who run the Stupid Loan Company, but I try not to do it where people will notice.
It was very careless. It also suggests if he's making errors like this that he's feeling the pressure.0 -
I take a principled position of holding the opposite view to you on Corbyn's actions so I withdraw my post saying it looked like he did say people and now insist he clearly said woman!ydoethur said:
It's a lovely day when the Christmas holidays begin.Scott_P said:
Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.
Whether that helps him or not I don't know. A sexist smear at his enemies might be better than calling all his supporters 'stupid.'
Edit: More seriously I did struggle to copy the mouth movement for woman onto what Corbyn did.0 -
Do the panel think there's a 52% chance? Or do 52% of the panel think it will happen? The two aren't the same...Andrew said:Pulpstar said:
What is the basis for the probabilties ?
A survey of "100 experts".
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-policy-panel-november-2018/
"Our experts think there is a 52% chance that the government’s deal will _eventually_ be passed by Parliament ...." (my emphasis, as they only have it at 19% to pass by 19/Jan).0 -
What's worse than Corbyn is the duplicitous manner Bercow handles these things. Anna Soubry was right. If it had been a Tory who had said it, Bercow would have reacted immediately. What an odious man he is. He needs to GO.0
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1075382608480092162
Oh my goodness, didn't see that tackle, did hear what he said to about the referee... dog ate class homework.0 -
I am no Corbyn supporter, but it looks more like "people" than "woman" to me. The "Wo" of "woman" requires more of a pucker of the lips. The "pe" of "People" draws the side of the mouth out.ydoethur said:Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.'
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I love the way Labour's tribalism always works against themTheJezziah said:
I take a principled position of holding the opposite view to you on Corbyn's actions so I withdraw my post saying it looked like he did say people and now insist he clearly said woman!ydoethur said:
It's a lovely day when the Christmas holidays begin.Scott_P said:
Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.
Whether that helps him or not I don't know. A sexist smear at his enemies might be better than calling all his supporters 'stupid.' 0 -
Yes that's my reading of the situation too.Beverley_C said:
I am no Corbyn supporter, but it looks more like "people" than "woman" to me. The "Wo" of "woman" requires more of a pucker of the lips. The "pe" of "People" draws the side of the mouth out.ydoethur said:Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.'
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Bercow departing as Speaker before year end would spoil Christmas in a number of households......SquareRoot said:What's worse than Corbyn is the duplicitous manner Bercow handles these things. Anna Soubry was right. If it had been a Tory who had said it, Bercow would have reacted immediately. What an odious man he is. He needs to GO.
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Careless errors have been the watchwords for the entire sorry Corbyn era. He's just not very good at front bench politics. Partly it's because he's old and partly because he was thrust into the limelight despite never having developed an affinity for the dark arts of front bench politics by climbing the greasy pole the way most front benchers do. Remember that in his three decades as an MP he's never so much as been a PPS.ydoethur said:
I have to say, in a sense, that's almost to miss the point. Is it really smart of him to make muttered asides about anyone being stupid while he's on camera?
OK, so I have occasionally said such things, especially to the incompetent loons who run the Stupid Loan Company, but I try not to do it where people will notice.
It was very careless. It also suggests if he's making errors like this that he's feeling the pressure.
Labour are artificially handicapping themselves *a lot* by having him as leader.0 -
I've seen the clip of Bercow squirming in response to Leadsom, but what did he actually say when he got some words out?0
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Mr Cocque,
In football, to call someone a 'black c*nt' is a racial slur. To call someone a 'c*nt' is common banter. The colour of the skin is the issue. 'Gammon' doesn't refer to its nutrient flavour but to the colour of the skin. Ah, you may say, but the reason behind it is the real issue; calling someone a 'Gammon' is merely mocking their skin colour, so that's alright.
I fully agree, go right ahead and use it at every opportunity you can.0 -
And he will also find that he didn't call Leadsom a "stupid woman"......Scott_P said:0 -
And the second consonant of the second word looks the same as the first. "People".Beverley_C said:
I am no Corbyn supporter, but it looks more like "people" than "woman" to me. The "Wo" of "woman" requires more of a pucker of the lips. The "pe" of "People" draws the side of the mouth out.ydoethur said:Can I shock everyone? As I'm partially deaf, I've become quite a good lip-reader. I've looked at the video and I think Corbyn's telling the truth. The second word looks like 'people' to me - there's an L in it.'
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Really? Well bum. I'm going to have to stop using it now. No point unless it's going to piss people off.SeanT said:
You're using it to provoke, it makes you look a juvenile tit. But I imagine that's a badge of pride. I've done the same myself.
Incidentally, it HAS been proudly reclaimed on Twitter; you just haven't noticed. There's lots of Kippers and Leavers who've put gammon in the Twitternames, or use pictures of it in their avatars.0
