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And they support TM dealScott_P said:0 -
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I'm absolutely amazed that when a bank makes a mistake, it's in their favour, and not those of their customers. Who'd have thunk it?
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On topic. I don't think Giuliani would knowingly lie about the document not being signed - so that means that Trump lied to him. Not surprising because the Donald behaves like a young child who always lies to try and avoid getting into trouble. Surely Giuliani will walk at some point because of this? Given Giuliani's seniority, I think that would be a tipping point in Trump's chances of the Republican nomination.0
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As we should know by now what Mrs May promises or pledges and what she does are two different things. The target is meaningless and has never come close to being met. Indeed despite being supposedly tough on immigration Mrs May presided on arguably the highest levels of net immigration to our country in its history as Home Secretary - she does a few gimmicks and grabs a few headlines - with often shocking outcomes such as Windrush - but the fundamentals don't actually change.TGOHF said:
More a sad reflection on no 10 than SJ.williamglenn said:
The important thing is to have a control dial rather than arguing about what the setting on the dial might be at any one time.
The main problem with our immigration system and its administration is that it is frankly shambolic.0 -
Careful, you'll be called racist...brendan16 said:
Of course - but we have a separate policy for people from 30 or so other nations which doesn't differentiate between a brain surgeon and an unemployed man with five kids in terms of access to living in the UK permanently.TrèsDifficile said:
So do we.brendan16 said:
And nurses are skilled people and we are short of nurses - and we really do need nurses so in reality the government will need to move on the £30k cap for some professions. Maybe the issue is of course we don't pay nurses enough compared to many other western nations!TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop bringing facts into a debate about immigration.Pulpstar said:
Nurses err... start on less than 30k.brendan16 said:
Do we want just about making ends meet in Sheffield migrants - or those who will be significant net contributors or are highly skilled to fill jobs we really need as a society (e.g nurses not baristas).
The Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis and others have been doing this all for years so its hardly rocket science. They maintain a list of skilled and shortage occupations - if you meet the criteria then you get the skilled visa. Salary is important but it clearly shouldn't be the only criteria.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-k-shortage-occupation-list
Which, surprise surprise, includes nurses.
If you could apply our skilled migrant policy consistently and equally irrespective of the passport the person holds but on the skills they have you would have a better functioning system.0 -
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.0 -
Mr. Borough, be interesting to see what the odds are on various May's deal vote permutations in the Commons.0
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Christmas holidays for parliament till the 7th soonrottenborough said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
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Least accurate event in Monopoly: "Bank error in your favour. Collect $200"JosiasJessop said:I'm absolutely amazed that when a bank makes a mistake, it's in their favour, and not those of their customers. Who'd have thunk it?
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The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done0 -
Yeh, just great isn't it? The country faces its biggest national crisis since the WWII, and parliament buggers off for a holiday.Pulpstar said:
Christmas holidays for parliament till the 7th soon xDrottenborough said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
I am incandescent today, at this mess.0 -
Giuliani has been spouting all kinds of nonsense recently, so I wouldn't assume he is a model of veracity either.ExiledInScotland said:On topic. I don't think Giuliani would knowingly lie about the document not being signed - so that means that Trump lied to him. Not surprising because the Donald behaves like a young child who always lies to try and avoid getting into trouble. Surely Giuliani will walk at some point because of this? Given Giuliani's seniority, I think that would be a tipping point in Trump's chances of the Republican nomination.
Like client, like attorney.0 -
You just want to make it stoprottenborough said:
Yeh, just great isn't it? The country faces its biggest national crisis since the WWII, and parliament buggers off for a holiday.Pulpstar said:
Christmas holidays for parliament till the 7th soon xDrottenborough said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
I am incandescent today, at this mess.0 -
The Dem performance in the Rust Belt should be giving the Republican's nightmares.rcs1000 said:
The Republicans didn't do that well in Ohio at the midterms - Sherrod Brown was only a few hundred thousand votes behind where Trump got in 2016 which is almost unprecedented. (And Wisconsin was even worse: the winning Democrat's vote count would have been enough to beat Trump.)TheKitchenCabinet said:(1) The Republican Establishment knows that Trump bring voters to the party that others wouldn't. Now, he also repels (apparently) some suburban well off Republicans. But if you look at where Republican House losses came from, a high percentage came from states which Trump lost in 2016 anyway (NJ, NY, CA, IL). On the other hand, the establishment knows any new Republican candidate is unlikely to repeat Trump's wins in places like Michigan and Wisconsin. And they won the Senate seat in FL and did reasonably well in Ohio.
Trump's vote was unbelievably efficient. But the price of efficiency is a percentage point of swing and he loses everything.0 -
The worst of it is that when Parliament resumes we are going to have a week of MPs reading out the press releases they intend to send to their local paper, to a nearly empty chamber, with no-one else listening, simply repeating over and over points that have been made in the debate already. And we will have to sit through it all none the wider as to the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done0 -
The 'tens of thousands' target is about as real as the old Soviet five year plans under Brezhnev.TGOHF said:
More a sad reflection on no 10 than SJ.williamglenn said:
The important thing is to have a control dial rather than arguing about what the setting on the dial might be at any one time.
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A narrow outlook?IanB2 said:
The worst of it is that when Parliament resumes we are going to have a week of MPs reading out the press releases they intend to send to their local paper, to a nearly empty chamber, with no-one else listening, simply repeating over and over points that have been made in the debate already. And we will have to sit through it all none the wider as to the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done0 -
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes, presumably only British airlines can fly domestic UK routes (reciprocation is very important for the EU).Scott_P said:
How's that going to work out for you, Mr O'Leary?0 -
IndeedIanB2 said:
The worst of it is that when Parliament resumes we are going to have a week of MPs reading out the press releases they intend to send to their local paper, to a nearly empty chamber, with no-one else listening, simply repeating over and over points that have been made in the debate already. And we will have to sit through it all none the wider as to the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done0 -
As of now, the best argument against Brexit is that it would put more power in the hands of our MPs.0
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rottenborough said:
I don't like the odds I'm afraid:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1075336488454373376
It's always seemed very hard to see, threading the parliamentary needle etc. And yet ..... the government hasn't looked panicked. I've had a hunch for a while they have something up their collective sleeve.
Quite how you square the NI circle I've no idea though - it's not like there are fresh ideas out there from the legal/academic worlds that just need picked up.
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I don't think remain Tory MPs thought through their actions properly when they gave May another 12 months. She has the hide of a rhino and will cling on to power like a superglued barnacle.williamglenn said:0 -
But won't that cut both ways? Or haven't the EU thought of that?rottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:0 -
I disagree with those indignant at the delay to the 'meaningful vote'. Quite apart from any other considerations, it gives MPs time to educate themselves about the impact on the UK of the EU's contingency plans for No Deal (also known by the oxymoron 'managed no deal').0
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Oh, I thought this was all worked out already and it was all just project fear *innocent face*.Scott_P said:
Although I suspect a healthy amount of fudge coming. EasyJet, for example, has been hard at work re-registering 100+ jets to its new Austrian based subsidiary. So as long as the UK unilaterally allows EU airlines to fly to the UK then EasyJet flights will still fly.
But given how cut throat the airline industry is I suspect a circular firing squad tit for tat action to be honest.0 -
This is bad of me, but one of the things that really jumped out at me from that front cover is https://order-order.com/2018/02/15/standard-deliveroo-love-in/williamglenn said:
What are they playing at? It's bizarre. Imagine The Times regularly giving praise-laden front-page coverage to Pizza Express.0 -
I'm not.rottenborough said:
Yeh, just great isn't it? The country faces its biggest national crisis since the WWII, and parliament buggers off for a holiday.Pulpstar said:
Christmas holidays for parliament till the 7th soon xDrottenborough said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
I am incandescent today, at this mess.
They can't do any harm when they are not in parliament.0 -
No to Aggressive Vets?Pulpstar said:
Here is one of his earlier campaigns:MarqueeMark said:
I am laying Pulpstar's cat, as it appears to be the current favourite.....Anazina said:TheScreamingEagles said:I think Sajid Javid is a definite lay now in the race to succeed Mrs May.
What a disastrous interview.
PB Tory Next Leader Bingo
Boris The Johnson (REJECTED)
Penny Splash (REJECTED)
Rory the Tory from Balamory (WHO?)
Magic Saj (REJECTED)
Jeremy Hunt the Massive ... (PENDING)
Pulpstar's cat will come into the running soon.
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Thanks for that, it stands out like a sore thumb. Rotten to the core.MyBurningEars said:
This is bad of me, but one of the things that really jumped out at me from that front cover is https://order-order.com/2018/02/15/standard-deliveroo-love-in/williamglenn said:
What are they playing at? It's bizarre. Imagine The Times regularly giving praise-laden front-page coverage to Pizza Express.0 -
Since most of them don't appear to have educated themselves on the actual content of May's Deal, I am not sure we can assume they will spend the time off over Christmas wisely.Richard_Nabavi said:I disagree with those indignant at the delay to the 'meaningful vote'. Quite apart from any other considerations, it gives MPs time to educate themselves about the impact on the UK of the EU's contingency plans for No Deal (also known by the oxymoron 'managed no deal').
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If genuine, this is an ERG member saying she would now vote Remain.
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Morning all. I would like to flag up what is IMO a neglected aspect of this Brexit crisis and that is the feelings of the “Rotten” and “Treasonous” and “Botched” Deal. What is going on in its head as it hears such things? I think I can tell you. The Deal is getting upset and as a consequence is storing up a grievance towards us here in the UK. It wouldn’t be human if it wasn’t. This is dangerous. It is dangerous because when we end up needing it (so that we can leave the EU) it is going to remember the insults and there will be a price to pay. Not immediately, no doubt it will allow itself to be implemented and play nice for a while, but a day of retribution will come. Perhaps something to do with fish. Yes, I fear so. It will be that. Hit us where it hurts the most. Fish. So I suggest that people (and I mean everyone, not just Richard Burgon) start to mind their language when discussing the merits and demerits of the Deal. Not out of some soft-hearted sense of compassion, but as a matter of pragmatism in the national interest.0
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How about a managed WTO deal?Richard_Nabavi said:I disagree with those indignant at the delay to the 'meaningful vote'. Quite apart from any other considerations, it gives MPs time to educate themselves about the impact on the UK of the EU's contingency plans for No Deal (also known by the oxymoron 'managed no deal').
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Ryan Air will almost certainly create a UK subsidiary just as Wizz Air (Hungarian airline) have done.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes, presumably only British airlines can fly domestic UK routes (reciprocation is very important for the EU).Scott_P said:
How's that going to work out for you, Mr O'Leary?0 -
But we get to choose the MPs every five years.RoyalBlue said:As of now, the best argument against Brexit is that it would put more power in the hands of our MPs.
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What an embarrasment of a letter.williamglenn said:If genuine, this is an ERG member saying she would now vote Remain.
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Is there such a thing as a WTO Deal?David_Evershed said:
How about a managed WTO deal?Richard_Nabavi said:I disagree with those indignant at the delay to the 'meaningful vote'. Quite apart from any other considerations, it gives MPs time to educate themselves about the impact on the UK of the EU's contingency plans for No Deal (also known by the oxymoron 'managed no deal').
Do we actually sign a deal with the WTO?0 -
US airlines can also fly intra-EU routes.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes,Scott_P said:0 -
The highlighted bit reads as if she's not opposed to a Noel Edmonds referendum.williamglenn said:If genuine, this is an ERG member saying she would now vote Remain.
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We are taking back control.... and handing it to clowns.rottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.0 -
Caulfield looks to me to be utterly clueless in that letter.0
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Nigelb said:
The 'tens of thousands' target is about as real as the old Soviet five year plans under Brezhnev.TGOHF said:
More a sad reflection on no 10 than SJ.williamglenn said:
The important thing is to have a control dial rather than arguing about what the setting on the dial might be at any one time.
What's your problem? Net migration is currently at 27 'tens of thousands' - target achieved!0 -
I would say that maybe reality is beginning to intrude. Staring into the abyss is not fun.Pulpstar said:Caulfield looks to me to be utterly clueless in that letter.
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Really? Which routes? And if that were the case, why would U.K. airlines be stopped doing so?Alistair said:
US airlines can also fly intra-EU routes.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes,Scott_P said:0 -
Could it be that some Tory MPs are beginning to fathom the electoral destruction that faces them on a chaotic no deal?Beverley_C said:
I would say that maybe reality is beginning to intrude. Staring into the abyss is not fun.Pulpstar said:Caulfield looks to me to be utterly clueless in that letter.
Let's hope so.0 -
Because the EU-USA Open Skies agreement is tilted in favour of the US.CarlottaVance said:
Really? Which routes? And if that were the case, why would U.K. airlines be stopped doing so?Alistair said:
US airlines can also fly intra-EU routes.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes,Scott_P said:
And the reason it is tilted in favour of the US is the US has more clout - EU access to the US destinations is vastly important to many EU carriers so the US can demand more in return.
The UK will not have that leverage when tying to negotiate our own access agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Open_Skies_Agreement0 -
Expect the unexpected - in the new session, in the recess, and in what remains of the current session.IanB2 said:
The worst of it is that when Parliament resumes we are going to have a week of MPs reading out the press releases they intend to send to their local paper, to a nearly empty chamber, with no-one else listening, simply repeating over and over points that have been made in the debate already. And we will have to sit through it all none the wider as to the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done
You are assuming Theresa May is going to get everything the way she wants.
When is the first opposition day in the new session? The, er, "backstop" would be a Commons VONC in the PM on that day.
I used to have some respect for Anna Soubry until I watched her pour scorn on Jeremy Corbyn, saying he was pants for not tabling a VONC in the government, in which she herself would vote in favour of the government. The interviewer did not ask her the obvious questions "What would that achieve?" and "How would you vote in a VONC in the PM?" Nor did he put it to her that she was calling for a stunt that wouldn't work, that she was trying to have it both ways, and that if she wanted to give advice to the opposition she should join it.0 -
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Thats what you call a "non tariff barrier". It must be reciprocated.Scott_P said:0 -
Fixed it for youDavid_Evershed said:
But we get to choose the MPs clowns every five years.RoyalBlue said:As of now, the best argument against Brexit is that it would put more power in the hands of our MPs.
Will we have to be educated in how to vote? Obviously, during our time in the EU, we never had elections every 5 years to choose our clowns because we were never sovereign......
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Plus she's in a Remain constituency with a strong LD vote. I reckon she won't fancy her chances in the next GE if we hard Brexit.Beverley_C said:
I would say that maybe reality is beginning to intrude. Staring into the abyss is not fun.Pulpstar said:Caulfield looks to me to be utterly clueless in that letter.
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Mr. Borough, does it matter, in vote terms?
Vast majority of Labour will oppose the deal. DUP, as it stands, opposes the deal. Many Con MPs oppose it and even if most swing behind May, she still doesn't have the numbers.0 -
There is no opposition day debate before the MV in JanuaryOort said:
Expect the unexpected - in the new session, in the recess, and in what remains of the current session.IanB2 said:
The worst of it is that when Parliament resumes we are going to have a week of MPs reading out the press releases they intend to send to their local paper, to a nearly empty chamber, with no-one else listening, simply repeating over and over points that have been made in the debate already. And we will have to sit through it all none the wider as to the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done
You are assuming Theresa May is going to get everything the way she wants.
When is the first opposition day in the new session? The, er, "backstop" would be a Commons VONC in the PM on that day.
I used to have some respect for Anna Soubry until I watched her pour scorn on Jeremy Corbyn, saying he was pants for not tabling a VONC in the government, in which she herself would vote in favour of the government. The interviewer did not ask her the obvious questions "What would that achieve?" and "How would you vote in a VONC in the PM?" Nor did he put it to her that she was calling for a stunt that wouldn't work, that she was trying to have it both ways, and that if she wanted to give advice to the opposition she should join it.0 -
Been there done that.Scott_P said:
I remember when PB Leavers assured me that No Deal was Project Fear, that it would never happen.
Bunch of traitorous onanists are Leavers.0 -
Which fifth freedom rights are US Airlines exercising?Alistair said:
Because the EU-USA Open Skies agreement is tilted in favour of the US.CarlottaVance said:
Really? Which routes? And if that were the case, why would U.K. airlines be stopped doing so?Alistair said:
US airlines can also fly intra-EU routes.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes,Scott_P said:
And the reason it is tilted in favour of the US is the US has more clout - EU access to the US destinations is vastly important to many EU carriers so the US can demand more in return.
The UK will not have that leverage when tying to negotiate our own access agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Open_Skies_Agreement0 -
These idiots will still be saying it is Project Fear as the last rats are being eaten by the starving.TheScreamingEagles said:
Been there done that.Scott_P said:
I remember when PB Leavers assured me that No Deal was Project Fear, that it would never happen.
Bunch of traitorous onanists are Leavers.0 -
Yup. cant let them get away with it. If you hold up our exports we will hold up your imports.Benpointer said:
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What was the point in sharing this? The fact that a nation with a population 20x our own is going to overtake us in total GDP should be cause for very modest celebration. Very modest because the standard of living for hundreds of millions of Indians is still absolutely wretched, and malnutrition is worse than in Sub-Saharan Africa.Scott_P said:
It will be good when they reach 90%+ literacy. After all, it’s been a priority since 1947.0 -
True, Switzerland doesn't worry about their lack of absolute GDP !RoyalBlue said:
What was the point in sharing this? The fact that a nation with a population 20x our own is going to overtake us in total GDP should be cause for very modest celebration. Very modest because the standard of living for hundreds of millions of Indians is still absolutely wretched, and malnutrition is worse than in Sub-Saharan Africa.Scott_P said:
It will be good when they reach 90%+ literacy. After all, it’s been a priority since 1947.0 -
I don't know - and I'm not going to trawl timetable data to find out if any are. The point is that USA airlines can when your contention was that only EU airlines could.CarlottaVance said:
Which fifth freedom rights are US Airlines exercising?Alistair said:
Because the EU-USA Open Skies agreement is tilted in favour of the US.CarlottaVance said:
Really? Which routes? And if that were the case, why would U.K. airlines be stopped doing so?Alistair said:
US airlines can also fly intra-EU routes.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes,Scott_P said:
And the reason it is tilted in favour of the US is the US has more clout - EU access to the US destinations is vastly important to many EU carriers so the US can demand more in return.
The UK will not have that leverage when tying to negotiate our own access agreement.
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Good Luck with that... the national humiliation is just beginning, and in a way perhaps the kicking that the UK is going to get might actually stir people up to utterly change the system that has allowed this disaster to unfold. If the next election has a "Johnson" and a "Rees Mogg" moment it will be at least some recompense for this catastrophic Tory balls up.notme2 said:
Thats what you call a "non tariff barrier". It must be reciprocated.Scott_P said:0 -
Can someone keep the mic away from Emily Thornberry's cackle?0
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Why all the talk about whether the MV is meaningful then,”?Richard_Tyndall said:
Since 2010 any treaty has to be ratified by Parliament in a straight yes/no vote.Charles said:
The wording of the text doesn’t match what was agreed in December last yearFoxy said:
Indedd we agreed it a year ago and are now trying to break our word.TOPPING said:
No they aren't. They, the RoI and the UK are supporting the backstop.MarqueeMark said:
I'm so sorry that reality has splattered your pristine garments.....matt said:
Welcome to leaver world, where covering oneself in shit is fine provided that third parties get hit by the odd splatter.MarqueeMark said:
....and the UK leaving with No Deal is going to push all of them into recession.CarlottaVance said:
Cheer up! The Belgian PM has just resigned, the French Police are about to strike and German economic confidence is at its lowest in over a decade. Everything’s going so well.....OldKingCole said:The two major Anglophone countries are deep in the brown stuff due to incompetent Governments. Yet both came to power as a result of an acknowleged democratic process.
Makes one furiously to think! Why have the processes in each country worked so badly?
Merry Christmas, Europe.
The EU will pick up your dry-cleaning bill. After all, they are the ones flingng the backstop shit.
Also, to be fair, May is not “trying to break her word”. It’s debatable whether Parliament actually needs to ratify the treaty, but if it does (either politically or legally) then all May has committed to is to present the treaty to Parliament for their approval0 -
Our politicians worry about it because it's one way they can increase the amount of other people's money they have to spend.Pulpstar said:
True, Switzerland doesn't worry about their lack of absolute GDP !RoyalBlue said:
What was the point in sharing this? The fact that a nation with a population 20x our own is going to overtake us in total GDP should be cause for very modest celebration. Very modest because the standard of living for hundreds of millions of Indians is still absolutely wretched, and malnutrition is worse than in Sub-Saharan Africa.Scott_P said:
It will be good when they reach 90%+ literacy. After all, it’s been a priority since 1947.0 -
Good opener from Jezza.0
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EU and Italians reach budget deal
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/kein-defizitverfahren-eu-kommission-und-italien-einigen-sich-15949424.html0 -
ABTA said yesterday that the airlines issue was sorted.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes, presumably only British airlines can fly domestic UK routes (reciprocation is very important for the EU).Scott_P said:
How's that going to work out for you, Mr O'Leary?0 -
Not to mention that they overtook us years ago in PPP-adjusted GDP, are currently something like 3.5x larger on that score, and growing at 7%ish (ie doubling every decade).RoyalBlue said:
What was the point in sharing this? The fact that a nation with a population 20x our own is going to overtake us in total GDP ....0 -
Why all the debate on whether the meaningful vote was meaningful or not?Richard_Tyndall said:
Since 2010 any treaty has to be ratified by Parliament in a straight yes/no vote.Charles said:
The wording of the text doesn’t match what was agreed in December last yearFoxy said:
Indedd we agreed it a year ago and are now trying to break our word.TOPPING said:
No they aren't. They, the RoI and the UK are supporting the backstop.MarqueeMark said:
I'm so sorry that reality has splattered your pristine garments.....matt said:
Welcome to leaver world, where covering oneself in shit is fine provided that third parties get hit by the odd splatter.MarqueeMark said:
....and the UK leaving with No Deal is going to push all of them into recession.CarlottaVance said:
Cheer up! The Belgian PM has just resigned, the French Police are about to strike and German economic confidence is at its lowest in over a decade. Everything’s going so well.....OldKingCole said:The two major Anglophone countries are deep in the brown stuff due to incompetent Governments. Yet both came to power as a result of an acknowleged democratic process.
Makes one furiously to think! Why have the processes in each country worked so badly?
Merry Christmas, Europe.
The EU will pick up your dry-cleaning bill. After all, they are the ones flingng the backstop shit.
Also, to be fair, May is not “trying to break her word”. It’s debatable whether Parliament actually needs to ratify the treaty, but if it does (either politically or legally) then all May has committed to is to present the treaty to Parliament for their approval0 -
How do you know? According to the Commons, the opposition dates are announced in the Leader of the House's weekly business statement made on Thursdays. Even as things stand (and things may change), the MV could be on the 10th day of the new sitting. (I confused "session" with "sitting" above.) Have Labour used up all 17 of their days for the 2018-19 session?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is no opposition day debate before the MV in JanuaryOort said:
Expect the unexpected - in the new session, in the recess, and in what remains of the current session.IanB2 said:
The worst of it is that when Parliament resumes we are going to have a week of MPs reading out the press releases they intend to send to their local paper, to a nearly empty chamber, with no-one else listening, simply repeating over and over points that have been made in the debate already. And we will have to sit through it all none the wider as to the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The last 24 hours are like a bad dream and you hope you will wake uprottenborough said:
The lorry issue quota is even worse.Scott_P said:
We are absolutely fucked unless some politicians become statesmen and put the national interest ahead of petty party shit in the next six weeks.
The history books will slaughter this generation of clowns and public school non-entities.
All our politicians are a disgrace and need to grow up fast and stop this madness
There are 2 solutions.
Accept TM deal or revoke A50 and quite frankly I do not care which, but just get it done
You are assuming Theresa May is going to get everything the way she wants.
When is the first opposition day in the new session? The, er, "backstop" would be a Commons VONC in the PM on that day.
I used to have some respect for Anna Soubry until I watched her pour scorn on Jeremy Corbyn, saying he was pants for not tabling a VONC in the government, in which she herself would vote in favour of the government. The interviewer did not ask her the obvious questions "What would that achieve?" and "How would you vote in a VONC in the PM?" Nor did he put it to her that she was calling for a stunt that wouldn't work, that she was trying to have it both ways, and that if she wanted to give advice to the opposition she should join it.0 -
I think it's a convention, not a requirement.Charles said:
Why all the debate on whether the meaningful vote was meaningful or not?Richard_Tyndall said:
Since 2010 any treaty has to be ratified by Parliament in a straight yes/no vote.Charles said:
The wording of the text doesn’t match what was agreed in December last yearFoxy said:
Indedd we agreed it a year ago and are now trying to break our word.TOPPING said:
No they aren't. They, the RoI and the UK are supporting the backstop.MarqueeMark said:
I'm so sorry that reality has splattered your pristine garments.....matt said:
Welcome to leaver world, where covering oneself in shit is fine provided that third parties get hit by the odd splatter.MarqueeMark said:
....and the UK leaving with No Deal is going to push all of them into recession.CarlottaVance said:
Cheer up! The Belgian PM has just resigned, the French Police are about to strike and German economic confidence is at its lowest in over a decade. Everything’s going so well.....OldKingCole said:The two major Anglophone countries are deep in the brown stuff due to incompetent Governments. Yet both came to power as a result of an acknowleged democratic process.
Makes one furiously to think! Why have the processes in each country worked so badly?
Merry Christmas, Europe.
The EU will pick up your dry-cleaning bill. After all, they are the ones flingng the backstop shit.
Also, to be fair, May is not “trying to break her word”. It’s debatable whether Parliament actually needs to ratify the treaty, but if it does (either politically or legally) then all May has committed to is to present the treaty to Parliament for their approval0 -
Can't really argue with the PM:
May says, if Corbyn does not want to see money spent on no-deal, he should vote for this deal.0 -
He can't vote for it if she won't move the vote...Richard_Nabavi said:Can't really argue with the PM:
May says, if Corbyn does not want to see money spent on no-deal, he should vote for this deal.0 -
It’s only meaningful if the result goes the way people want it to. Given the chasm between Remainers and Brexiteers that, by definition, is impossible.Charles said:
Why all the debate on whether the meaningful vote was meaningful or not?Richard_Tyndall said:
Since 2010 any treaty has to be ratified by Parliament in a straight yes/no vote.Charles said:
The wording of the text doesn’t match what was agreed in December last yearFoxy said:
Indedd we agreed it a year ago and are now trying to break our word.TOPPING said:
No they aren't. They, the RoI and the UK are supporting the backstop.MarqueeMark said:
I'm so sorry that reality has splattered your pristine garments.....matt said:
Welcome to leaver world, where covering oneself in shit is fine provided that third parties get hit by the odd splatter.MarqueeMark said:
....and the UK leaving with No Deal is going to push all of them into recession.CarlottaVance said:
Cheer up! The Belgian PM has just resigned, the French Police are about to strike and German economic confidence is at its lowest in over a decade. Everything’s going so well.....OldKingCole said:The two major Anglophone countries are deep in the brown stuff due to incompetent Governments. Yet both came to power as a result of an acknowleged democratic process.
Makes one furiously to think! Why have the processes in each country worked so badly?
Merry Christmas, Europe.
The EU will pick up your dry-cleaning bill. After all, they are the ones flingng the backstop shit.
Also, to be fair, May is not “trying to break her word”. It’s debatable whether Parliament actually needs to ratify the treaty, but if it does (either politically or legally) then all May has committed to is to present the treaty to Parliament for their approval0 -
They aren’t. And Fifth Freedom rights are not the same as internal EU flights:Alistair said:
I don't know - and I'm not going to trawl timetable data to find out if any are. The point is that USA airlines can when your contention was that only EU airlines could.CarlottaVance said:
Which fifth freedom rights are US Airlines exercising?Alistair said:
Because the EU-USA Open Skies agreement is tilted in favour of the US.CarlottaVance said:
Really? Which routes? And if that were the case, why would U.K. airlines be stopped doing so?Alistair said:
US airlines can also fly intra-EU routes.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes,Scott_P said:
And the reason it is tilted in favour of the US is the US has more clout - EU access to the US destinations is vastly important to many EU carriers so the US can demand more in return.
The UK will not have that leverage when tying to negotiate our own access agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Open_Skies_Agreement
JFK>DUB>CDG OK
DUB>CDG not ok.
Many of the fifth Freedom flights in the EU are via the U.K.
https://www.flypointyend.com/5th-freedom-flights/
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LOL - they really mean it this timerottenborough said:0 -
True, but he's made it very clear that he won't, which is a key reason why it has been delayed.Scott_P said:
He can't vote for it if she won't move the vote...Richard_Nabavi said:Can't really argue with the PM:
May says, if Corbyn does not want to see money spent on no-deal, he should vote for this deal.0 -
I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.0
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According to the Guardian blog:
"May says, if Corbyn does not want to see money spent on no-deal, he should vote for this deal."
How does he do that when she won't hold the vote?0 -
More than just ABTA - and a while back too......OldKingCole said:
ABTA said yesterday that the airlines issue was sorted.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes, presumably only British airlines can fly domestic UK routes (reciprocation is very important for the EU).Scott_P said:
How's that going to work out for you, Mr O'Leary?0 -
Are they going to let the Italians flout the rules like France then?Alanbrooke said:EU and Italians reach budget deal
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/kein-defizitverfahren-eu-kommission-und-italien-einigen-sich-15949424.html
Or can someone please explain why its different for France and Germany?0 -
Have you seen what the EU's no-deal planning actually says?Floater said:
More than just ABTA - and a while back too......OldKingCole said:
ABTA said yesterday that the airlines issue was sorted.CarlottaVance said:
Since only EU airlines can fly inter-EU routes, presumably only British airlines can fly domestic UK routes (reciprocation is very important for the EU).Scott_P said:
How's that going to work out for you, Mr O'Leary?
UK airlines will be permitted (till the end of 2020) to fly over EU airspace, provided no British passengers disembark at any EU airport.
Whew boy, that's a doozy.0 -
Any sign that Britons are going to be deported en masse from the continent?grabcocque said:I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
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This could be the boost to our ailing seaside towns' economies that they have so urgently been looking for.grabcocque said:I hope Lincolnshire County Council has enough grit, gumption, plasterboard and UPVC double glazing to build 100,000 pensioner chalets in twelve weeks cos we're sure as shit not letting them all live in Remainia when Spain deports the diaspora Costa community.
And Skegness is so bracing.
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