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OldKingCole said:
There's NO position which the DUP, once they'd adopted it, would regard as ludicrous. No. None. Never!
No, none, never no more?0 -
Just had a thought...
If May had proposed a 2nd vote a week ago, she would have been brought down by her own MPs.
Now, she cannot be for 12 months.*
Will she surprise us all, at the 11th hour, and roll the dice?
* NB: obviously if most of the Cabinet tell her she is done, then she might still have to go. But she is stubborn (to say the least).
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There were two polls by BMG and ORB that had Leave 10% ahead but they were real outliers.0
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I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.0
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Don't even fucking look at him.TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/10732009502722949120 -
Not until the last possible moment, which means she will carry on bustling around Europe on her Futility Tour until at or near the 21st January.rottenborough said:Just had a thought...
Will she surprise us all, at the 11th hour, and roll the dice?0 -
ClassyTheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
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Yes, but why? What purpose does leaving serve them other than departing catholic countries like France and Italy.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, they might go for Revoke, although they've repeatedly said they want Brexit.grabcocque said:
Ummm, I'm not so sure about that.Richard_Nabavi said:
A Labour government, especially one in hock to the LibDems, Plaid, and the SNP, is not going to go for No Deal under any circumstances, so it would be the current Withdrawal Agreement or Revoke, neither of which the DUP wants. In fact, I don't really see what they do want.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only way I can see the DUP backing Labour is to sabotage May’s backstop and make it a straight choice between no deal or no Brexit.grabcocque said:
I have no doubt Labour are perfectly willing to meet the DUP's demands. It's mostly a question of tactics. Would they give up their vice-like grasp on Mrs May's short and curlies in exchange for a promise of no backstop? A promise they surely know Mr Corbyn cannot meaningfully deliver?AmpfieldAndy said:grabcocque said:That said, it would be an absolute, inexcusable dereliction of duty if Corbyn and McDonnell and Starmer weren't promising the DUP a moon on a stick right now to peel them off.
Imagine, nailing May with a VONC on the last day of term before Christmas.
At two of those three want a United Ireland and they are so ideologically driven, it won’t occur to them to offer the DUP an olive branch and the DUP wouldn’t believe them if they did.
May's deal crosses the DUP's only serious red line. Remain, by default, does not. They want to leave, sure, but not if it involves any kind of customs or regulatory border in the Irish Sea.
In fact, that must be it.0 -
Would be a clever move.williamglenn said:
The Lib Dems could offer a temporary confidence and supply agreement in return for a Deal/Remain referendum.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Have the odds on an early general election shortened in the last 48 hours? They should have,kyf_100 said:
Which is why the Tories should have deposed her when they had the chance. 2019 remains the hot favourite for a GE on Betfair and if it happens, they are going into the next GE with a proven voter repellent at the helm.HYUFD said:I agree, most of the ERG were in that 117 and should get Boris on the final ballot even if a Dealer gets most MPs and he likely wins that final ballot as like Corbyn and unlike May he is much more popular with the party membership than his party's MPs.
Notice May today said she would step down for a new Tory leader by the 2022 general election if Parliament lasts the course but did not rule out leading the party at a snap general election if she loses a VONC in the Commons
BoJo may be unpopular amongst his colleagues and the PB cognoscenti, but I think he has a better chance of beating Corbyn in a GE.
All it takes now is for
- the DUP to fail to support the Government in a VONC, in the hope that (despite her comments today) May will then be persuaded to fall on her sword and be replaced by a new Tory leader they can back to form a new government in the hope of a change of direction
- May to confound them by preferring to lead the Conservatives into an avoidable GE. The DUP could hardly come back with the tail between their legs and back May in a second vote of confidence within the 14 days period of grace.
Before last night, May could have been forced out by Tory MPs and that scenario averted. Now she is her own master (or mistress). This is what you get when a politician treats her own personal political career as being synonymous with the national interest.0 -
It's the EU; all based on the Treaty of ROME!!!!!SirBenjamin said:OldKingCole said:
There's NO position which the DUP, once they'd adopted it, would regard as ludicrous. No. None. Never!
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I do love how Brexiteers are utterly impervious to external reality. Absolutely *nothing* that has happened has had any impact on IDS's understanding of political reality.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1073126345432027136
On a related note, why exactly is Brexit now being driven almost entirely by baseball analogies?0 -
Yes I agree that would be my best assessment.HYUFD said:
I think May v Corbyn next time could be a repeat of February 1974 but Boris v Corbyn a repeat of 2015kyf_100 said:
Which is why the Tories should have deposed her when they had the chance. 2019 remains the hot favourite for a GE on Betfair and if it happens, they are going into the next GE with a proven voter repellent at the helm.HYUFD said:I agree, most of the ERG were in that 117 and should get Boris on the final ballot even if a Dealer gets most MPs and he likely wins that final ballot as like Corbyn and unlike May he is much more popular with the party membership than his party's MPs.
Notice May today said she would step down for a new Tory leader by the 2022 general election if Parliament lasts the course but did not rule out leading the party at a snap general election if she loses a VONC in the Commons
BoJo may be unpopular amongst his colleagues and the PB cognoscenti, but I think he has a better chance of beating Corbyn in a GE.
If May went early , it would be similar to Heath.
Who governs ?
The answer not you,
In contrast Boris could beat Corbyn , with an up beat message, even if parts of it are drivel.
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I notice he’s in the ERG WhatsApp group:TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1073200950272294912
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Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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EUCO has agreed to to make the EU's sanctions against Russia indefinite.
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1073271138376126465
I'm glad EUCO has something important to talk about, not just rustle paper paper clips for Mrs May's amusement.0 -
I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.0
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These people in and around the ERG are f*cking crazy - insane in the membranewilliamglenn said:
I notice he’s in the ERG WhatsApp group:TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1073200950272294912
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He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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I know that people working for Vote Leave said the biggest shift to Remain in the last week of the campaign was Farage's Breaking Point poster and Farage's media performances thereafter.0
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Hoepfully by the next referendum, Farage will be serving a lengthy sentence at His Mueller's pleasure.0
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You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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I mean, I'd bang Dom Raab (as long as he promised not to speak) but I'd never vote for him.HYUFD said:
You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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I agree, Boris is the only Tory I can see winning a majority against Corbyn but then again I do not think Corbyn could win a majority against any Tory either bar Gove or maybe HuntYorkcity said:
Yes I agree that would be my best assessment.HYUFD said:
I think May v Corbyn next time could be a repeat of February 1974 but Boris v Corbyn a repeat of 2015kyf_100 said:
Which is why the Tories should have deposed her when they had the chance. 2019 remains the hot favourite for a GE on Betfair and if it happens, they are going into the next GE with a proven voter repellent at the helm.HYUFD said:I agree, most of the ERG were in that 117 and should get Boris on the final ballot even if a Dealer gets most MPs and he likely wins that final ballot as like Corbyn and unlike May he is much more popular with the party membership than his party's MPs.
Notice May today said she would step down for a new Tory leader by the 2022 general election if Parliament lasts the course but did not rule out leading the party at a snap general election if she loses a VONC in the Commons
BoJo may be unpopular amongst his colleagues and the PB cognoscenti, but I think he has a better chance of beating Corbyn in a GE.
If May went early , it would be similar to Heath.
Who governs ?
The answer not you,
In contrast Boris could beat Corbyn , with an up beat message, even if parts of it are drivel.0 -
Well, TSE has suggested throwing them in the Irish Sea, which is on the way to Boston Harbour...tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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Thatch seemed to give a certain type of bloke the horn, eg Alan Clark & Kingsley Amis (& possibly my dad).HYUFD said:
You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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Will I play the wild Leaver?SirBenjamin said:OldKingCole said:
There's NO position which the DUP, once they'd adopted it, would regard as ludicrous. No. None. Never!
No, none, never no more?0 -
Trebuchet, not throw. Much better range and you could do them in batches.ydoethur said:
Well, TSE has suggested throwing them in the Irish Sea, which is on the way to Boston Harbour...tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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Sounds like your name is not too far from the mark then!grabcocque said:
I mean, I'd bang Dom Raab (as long as he promised not to speak) but I'd never vote for him.HYUFD said:
You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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This is more like Seven Drunken Nights.AlastairMeeks said:
Will I play the wild Leaver?SirBenjamin said:OldKingCole said:
There's NO position which the DUP, once they'd adopted it, would regard as ludicrous. No. None. Never!
No, none, never no more?0 -
Very few people have the raw sexual energy of our very own JohnO. A human Tsunami of sexuality.
He uses to great effect I hear on Surrey Council.0 -
Frightening, though. Think about it. What if Bojo wins with No Deal Brexit.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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Alan Clark got the horn for every female between the ages of fourteen and fifty. I don't think he's a good example.Theuniondivvie said:
Thatch seemed to give a certain type of bloke the horn, eg Alan Clark & Kingsley Amis (& possibly my dad).HYUFD said:
You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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I always felt (though with no evidence) that having forced the referendum, Farage should have fucked off for the duration of the campaign and the margin would have been considerably greater. His acolytes are true believers, so it wouldn't have mattered, but everytime he opens his gob he alienates swing voters.TheScreamingEagles said:I know that people working for Vote Leave said the biggest shift to Remain in the last week of the campaign was Farage's Breaking Point poster and Farage's media performances thereafter.
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Yes but the Tea Party paved the way for Trump of coursetottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
You are obsessed with Boris, and underestimate the members.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
They want a good PM and winner first. It isn’t all about Brexit.
Even if it was Boris is totally untrustworthy.0 -
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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We reach that amusing point in every EUCO where Mrs May is politely asked to go and sit in a corridor whilst the EU27 talk about her, not to her.0
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Being in the Conservative party helps legitimise their behaviour (and the general insanity of 20-30 of them, in particular).OldKingCole said:
Frightening, though. Think about it. What if Bojo wins with No Deal Brexit.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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Mother and said Thatcher had perfect anklesTheuniondivvie said:
Thatch seemed to give a certain type of bloke the horn, eg Alan Clark & Kingsley Amis (& possibly my dad).HYUFD said:
You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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Utterly deranged. No matter how stark raving bonkers one fears they are, they turn out to be even worse.williamglenn said:
I notice he’s in the ERG WhatsApp group:TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1073200950272294912
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If that’s true then that would have been exacerbated by the murder as well.TheScreamingEagles said:I know that people working for Vote Leave said the biggest shift to Remain in the last week of the campaign was Farage's Breaking Point poster and Farage's media performances thereafter.
I think there was probably a small effect but mainly it was swingback to the status quo.0 -
And that's a disadvantage in the age of Corbyn, Trump, Selmayr, Orban, Putin...how exactly?Casino_Royale said:Even if it was Boris is totally untrustworthy.
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To play devils advocate, he probably helped his cause because he provoked some Remainers into hysterics. That picture of Geldof on a boat was worth a few votes I am sure.John_M said:
I always felt (though with no evidence) that having forced the referendum, Farage should have fucked off for the duration of the campaign and the margin would have been considerably greater. His acolytes are true believers, so it wouldn't have mattered, but everytime he opens his gob he alienates swing voters.TheScreamingEagles said:I know that people working for Vote Leave said the biggest shift to Remain in the last week of the campaign was Farage's Breaking Point poster and Farage's media performances thereafter.
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Both Tony Blair and David Cameron had sex appeal at the start.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
Bizarrely, for reasons I’ve never quite understood, so did Ed Miliband.0 -
So are many who win electionsCasino_Royale said:HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
You are obsessed with Boris, and underestimate the members.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
They want a good PM and winner first. It isn’t all about Brexit.
Even if it was Boris is totally untrustworthy.0 -
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
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Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
They say HYUFD himself is a raging Adonis of pure masculine beauty. Even the trees of Epping Forest grow weak in his presence.Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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Though that was a very niche taste, Corbyn was apparently once called 'the sexpot Trot' as Diane Abbott clearly discoveredCasino_Royale said:
Both Tony Blair and David Cameron had sex appeal at the start.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
Bizarrely, for reasons I’ve never quite understood, so did Ed Miliband.0 -
Andrew Lilico is a very loosely grouped collection of opinions. I once sat next to him on a bus, and this is what struck me about him. They're all just blurry semi-opinions. A stream of half-formed, disconnected ideas.Anazina said:
Utterly deranged. No matter how stark raving bonkers one fears they are, they turn out to be even worse.williamglenn said:
I notice he’s in the ERG WhatsApp group:TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1073200950272294912
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1073144208956030978?s=21
There's nothing approaching coherent thought, principle, ideology, guiding philosophy or unifying ethic. It's just a stream of consciousness masquerading as opinions.0 -
Um, modesty forbids....ydoethur said:
I’ve just got the dreadful pun (I may possess a lithe, sumptuous body, but not so well endowed in the cerebral department - I blame Balliol.)
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Saplings certainly...Anazina said:Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
They say HYUFD himself is a raging Adonis of pure masculine beauty. Even the trees of Epping Forest grow weak in his presence.Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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It's almost like he's unaware the EU's economy is 6x larger than ours.
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It's not that implausible: Major is 6 foot tall. People bang on about sexual attractiveness but the truth is a good haircut, good skincare, good clothing, good teeth and a trim body are usually enough. And if you're in a powerful job, so much the better. I usually advance Nancy Dell'Olio's relationship with football manager and dormouse impersonator Sven-Göran Eriksson as proof of this.Jonathan said:Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.
Pause.
#accidentalpartridge
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See my remarks above.Casino_Royale said:
Both Tony Blair and David Cameron had sex appeal at the start.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
Bizarrely, for reasons I’ve never quite understood, so did Ed Miliband.0 -
grabcocque said:
I do love how Brexiteers are utterly impervious to external reality. Absolutely *nothing* that has happened has had any impact on IDS's understanding of political reality.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1073126345432027136
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He's the poor man's Milo.grabcocque said:
Andrew Lilico is a very loosely grouped collection of opinions. I once sat next to him on a bus, and this is what struck me about him. They're all just blurry semi-opinions. A stream of half-formed, disconnected ideas.Anazina said:
Utterly deranged. No matter how stark raving bonkers one fears they are, they turn out to be even worse.williamglenn said:
I notice he’s in the ERG WhatsApp group:TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1073200950272294912
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1073144208956030978?s=21
There's nothing approaching coherent thought, principle, ideology, guiding philosophy or unifying ethic. It's just a stream of consciousness masquerading as opinions.
Except less funny and, sadly, less bankrupt.0 -
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.0 -
I agree with him but May wouldn’t do that. She is scared of the EU.Andrew said:It's almost like he's unaware the EU's economy is 6x larger than ours.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/10731263454320271360 -
He has form on reimagining the reality:Andrew said:It's almost like he's unaware the EU's economy is 6x larger than ours.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1073126345432027136
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/12_december/19/newsnight_ids_cv.shtml0 -
Presumably an Andrew Adonis of pure asculine.....HYUFD said:
Saplings certainly...Anazina said:Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
They say HYUFD himself is a raging Adonis of pure masculine beauty. Even the trees of Epping Forest grow weak in his presence.Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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On the contrary: I “trust” Corbyn and Trump to do precisely what they say.ydoethur said:
And that's a disadvantage in the age of Corbyn, Trump, Selmayr, Orban, Putin...how exactly?Casino_Royale said:Even if it was Boris is totally untrustworthy.
I wouldn’t trust Boris with a shopping bag.
The hard Brexiteers who are dealing with him would be sold out by him in second if he felt it might further his career.0 -
Ed Miliband has a sense of humour. Men underestimate its appeal.Casino_Royale said:
Both Tony Blair and David Cameron had sex appeal at the start.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
Bizarrely, for reasons I’ve never quite understood, so did Ed Miliband.
Tony Blair: just no. Too many teeth. Reminds one of a weasel.
Cameron: the sort of boy your mother likes. But I'm allergic to smooth public school City types.
Osborne, I am told, is much nicer in private than his public image would suggest. I'd take an evening with him (talking - no sniggering at the back, please) over Cameron.
Corbyn can probably be charming.
With most of the rest of them you wonder how they managed to persuade anyone to have sex with them once let alone marry and procreate.0 -
Big Red Bus slogan on the side? Something you want to tell us? Are you a 5th columnist planted by leave acting as a totally demented remainer to further the leave cause?grabcocque said:
Andrew Lilico is a very loosely grouped collection of opinions. I once sat next to him on a bus, and this is what struck me about him. They're all just blurry semi-opinions. A stream of half-formed, disconnected ideas.Anazina said:
Utterly deranged. No matter how stark raving bonkers one fears they are, they turn out to be even worse.williamglenn said:
I notice he’s in the ERG WhatsApp group:TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh
Some Leavers are such cretins.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1073200950272294912
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1073144208956030978?s=21
There's nothing approaching coherent thought, principle, ideology, guiding philosophy or unifying ethic. It's just a stream of consciousness masquerading as opinions.0 -
I wouldn't go that far.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
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On the contrary: I “trust” Corbyn and Trump to do precisely what they say.ydoethur said:
And that's a disadvantage in the age of Corbyn, Trump, Selmayr, Orban, Putin...how exactly?Casino_Royale said:Even if it was Boris is totally untrustworthy.
I wouldn’t trust Boris with a shopping bag.
The hard Brexiteers who are dealing with him would be sold out by him in second if he felt it might further his career.0 -
For a politician with sex appeal look no further than my avatar
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And she knew it. And flirted. There's an early interview of her - she may have been Leader of the Opposition - when she was blatantly flirting with the interviewer, all fluttering eyelids and the rest and he was falling for it.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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Something happened to Osborne. He was never good looking, and then one day, he just... was.Cyclefree said:
Osborne, I am told, is much nicer in private than his public image would suggest. I'd take an evening with him (talking - no sniggering at the back, please) over Cameron.
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I can remember watching This Week and Andrew Neil asked the sofa guests one word to describe various politicians. Portillo's answer to Boris was "Betrayal. He will stab you in the back with a blink of the eye."Casino_Royale said:
On the contrary: I “trust” Corbyn and Trump to do precisely what they say.ydoethur said:
And that's a disadvantage in the age of Corbyn, Trump, Selmayr, Orban, Putin...how exactly?Casino_Royale said:Even if it was Boris is totally untrustworthy.
I wouldn’t trust Boris with a shopping bag.
The hard Brexiteers who are dealing with him would be sold out by him in second if he felt it might further his career.0 -
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I see many people daily who have kids or are clearly married where I struggle to understand why (and how) anyone would ever get excited enough to have sex with them.Cyclefree said:
Ed Miliband has a sense of humour. Men underestimate its appeal.Casino_Royale said:
Both Tony Blair and David Cameron had sex appeal at the start.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
Bizarrely, for reasons I’ve never quite understood, so did Ed Miliband.
Tony Blair: just no. Too many teeth. Reminds one of a weasel.
Cameron: the sort of boy your mother likes. But I'm allergic to smooth public school City types.
Osborne, I am told, is much nicer in private than his public image would suggest. I'd take an evening with him (talking - no sniggering at the back, please) over Cameron.
Corbyn can probably be charming.
With most of the rest of them you wonder how they managed to persuade anyone to have sex with them once let alone marry and procreate.
But, they exist. And they do.0 -
She looked OKgrabcocque said:
I wouldn't go that far.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
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Nobody is immune to the charms of Yanis.SandyRentool said:For a politician with sex appeal look no further than my avatar
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What was that Mitterrand quote about Thatcher?Cyclefree said:
And she knew it. And flirted. There's an early interview of her - she may have been Leader of the Opposition - when she was blatantly flirting with the interviewer, all fluttering eyelids and the rest and he was falling for it.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
Mouth of Marilyn Monroe and the eyes of Caligula?0 -
Something like thatJohnO said:
Presumably an Andrew Adonis of pure asculine.....HYUFD said:
Saplings certainly...Anazina said:Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
They say HYUFD himself is a raging Adonis of pure masculine beauty. Even the trees of Epping Forest grow weak in his presence.Jonathan said:
A frighteningly accurate insight, as HYUFD warns us, it's what comes next that is really scary.tottenhamWC said:
I think we are getting to the point where the ERG are now the UK equivalent of the Tea Party. Delusional.HYUFD said:
He would as most members want pure Brexit now and he would be up against a Dealer if he got to the last twoCasino_Royale said:I’m not sure DSOS&ASS Boris Johnson would win the members even if he got there.
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I'm starting to worry about you, Sunil!Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looked OKgrabcocque said:
I wouldn't go that far.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.0 -
It's going to be a very long year...grabcocque said:
Not until the last possible moment, which means she will carry on bustling around Europe on her Futility Tour until at or near the 21st January.rottenborough said:Just had a thought...
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Or his British counterpart Vince Cable.SandyRentool said:For a politician with sex appeal look no further than my avatar
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Perhaps they employ the services of a fluffer....Casino_Royale said:
I see many people daily who have kids or are clearly married where I struggle to understand why (and how) anyone would ever get excited enough to have sex with them.Cyclefree said:
Ed Miliband has a sense of humour. Men underestimate its appeal.Casino_Royale said:
Both Tony Blair and David Cameron had sex appeal at the start.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
Bizarrely, for reasons I’ve never quite understood, so did Ed Miliband.
Tony Blair: just no. Too many teeth. Reminds one of a weasel.
Cameron: the sort of boy your mother likes. But I'm allergic to smooth public school City types.
Osborne, I am told, is much nicer in private than his public image would suggest. I'd take an evening with him (talking - no sniggering at the back, please) over Cameron.
Corbyn can probably be charming.
With most of the rest of them you wonder how they managed to persuade anyone to have sex with them once let alone marry and procreate.
But, they exist. And they do.0 -
Young Gordon Brown was... well:
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I not sure Elon Musk would have been quite as successful with the ladies if he hadn't become a billionaire,grabcocque said:Young Gordon Brown was... well:
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I recognise the chin...grabcocque said:Young Gordon Brown was... well:
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Problem is, it doesn't scale. Some of the beautiful women and handsome men have very ugly opinions, and some of the plain and ugly are kindly and wise.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
I was at this point going to compile a list of attractive politicians and crossreferenece against sanity of thought, but it'd take me all night...
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Yes. "She has the eyes of Caligula but the mouth of Marilyn Monroe".TheScreamingEagles said:
What was that Mitterrand quote about Thatcher?Cyclefree said:
And she knew it. And flirted. There's an early interview of her - she may have been Leader of the Opposition - when she was blatantly flirting with the interviewer, all fluttering eyelids and the rest and he was falling for it.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
Mouth of Marilyn Monroe and the eyes of Caligula?
Thatcher had a soft spot for him too.0 -
Given how few attractive ones there are, about half an hour should do it, I'd have thought.viewcode said:
Problem is, it doesn't scale. Some of the beautiful women and handsome men have very ugly opinions, and some of the plain and ugly are kindly and wise.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
I was at this point going to compile a list of attractive politicians and crossreferenece against sanity of thought, but it'd take me all night...0 -
I blame Balliol for many things, including Lord Peter Wimsey and a total inability to appreciate my awesome puns.JohnO said:
Um, modesty forbids....ydoethur said:
I’ve just got the dreadful pun (I may possess a lithe, sumptuous body, but not so well endowed in the cerebral department - I blame Balliol.)
You may stand upon a red hill of infamy, although you may need to Kew.0 -
Really?SandyRentool said:
I'm starting to worry about you, Sunil!Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looked OKgrabcocque said:
I wouldn't go that far.John_M said:
Mrs Thatcher was a raging beauty in her youth.Cyclefree said:
Well, they don't appear to have any brains or common-sense or knowledge of history or strategy or ability to persuade.Jonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
So we may as well judge them on their f***ability.
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This is always the best time to remind people that young Stalin was a stone-cold absolute 10/10 hottie.0
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Was there ever a woman, 8 to 80, who didn't give Alan Clark the horn, the priapic old goat?Theuniondivvie said:
Thatch seemed to give a certain type of bloke the horn, eg Alan Clark & Kingsley Amis (& possibly my dad).HYUFD said:
You do not need it as much as charisma or gravitas though some have it e.g. Kurz, Trudeau, JFK, Thatcher and Blair on a good dayJonathan said:
Do politicians need sex appeal? The last truly sexy PM was, according to Edwina Curie, John Major.Cyclefree said:I see our wonderful OGH has chosen a photo of Johnson which reinforces my remark from yesterday evening about Boris looking like - and having all the sex appeal - of an overboiled potato.
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Greetings from Goettingen. Boris would be a disastrous PM....unthinkable..0
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Cyclefree said:
Ed Miliband has a sense of humour. Men underestimate its appeal.
Tony Blair: just no. Too many teeth. Reminds one of a weasel.
Cameron: the sort of boy your mother likes. But I'm allergic to smooth public school City types.
Osborne, I am told, is much nicer in private than his public image would suggest. I'd take an evening with him (talking - no sniggering at the back, please) over Cameron.
Corbyn can probably be charming.
With most of the rest of them you wonder how they managed to persuade anyone to have sex with them once let alone marry and procreate.
Blair always struck me as sweaty and there is nothing appealing about that.0
