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Blimey. Stephen Lloyd a real hero putting country before party.
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I totally see where you're coming from but rising to the trolls is pointless. This is their day - let them enjoy it for now - fortunately politics is not a zero sum game.Theo said:
You and all the Labour Party care more about the political game than the actual impact on people's lives. You can barely contain your glee over the UK facing an economic crash so you can get into power.Jonathan said:
Hmmm. Not sure what I've done today. The worst thing I've done, I think was to have three cups of tea and spend too much time dicking about on the net.Theo said:
Once again a complete abdication of any moral responsible and apathy over the impact of your actions. You are a terrible human being.Jonathan said:
I love you too. You probably need to lie down. You're the one wanting Labour to ride to the rescue.Theo said:
Which brings us to the core of the matter. You lot are willing to crash the economy, plunging millions of people into joblessness and poverty to get a shot at government. You people are selfish and disgusting.Jonathan said:
If you want Labour to govern, it is very easy - resign.Theo said:
A minority of the Conservative parliamentary party is being irresponsible. The entirety of the Labour parliamentary party is.Jonathan said:
Hmmm. Keep on saying it if it makes you feel better, but when Tory MPs are openly slagging off each other and sending open letters of no confidence in the PM to Brady, I think it's fair to say that this is not a Labour thing.Theo said:
The Tory Party is putting forward and majority voting for a very workable Brexit Plan. It looks like the Labour Party is voting for the cliff edge crash.Jonathan said:
The grave of the Tory Party reads "Fuck Business"- Conservative Foreign Secretary* 2018.SouthamObserver said:
It is true, but it is totally irrelevant. We are where we are today because David Cameron was worried about UKIP, because a lot of right wing Tories sold an entirely unachievable prospectus to the electorate and because those same right wing Tories will not accept that. This Brexit was made in the Conservative party and is owned entirely by the Conservative party - which once could claim to be the patriotic, pro-business party without being laughed out of court.TheScreamingEagles said:
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No, that bit's right. The bit Peston's wrong about is 'surprising people'. The mood is clearly that a fatally damaged leader is worse than a change of leader (though whether that's right is a whole different question).TheWhiteRabbit said:
I think you're missing a "not"FrancisUrquhart said:
Given Peston's record, that means Graham Brady's postbag is already overflowing.rottenborough said:0 -
This Brenda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3PKE8uTSp8Beverley_C said:
Why bother? She is not allowed to say.FrancisUrquhart said:Has anybody asked Brenda whats she thinks of all of this?
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#Fairpeoplesvote.
My preferred wording for the people’s vote would be
Do you want
A remain
B withdrawal agreement
C no deal and £825 for every registered elector.
Personally I would remain and I rank the withdrawal agreement as not worth the 39 billion. But to make it fair you may as well give a share of the 39 billion to every registered voter.0 -
Well, there is no point in leaving, other than to say "we've done what the people voted for" - which was May's line repeated ad tediosum this morning.rpjs said:
Norway === EEA === FOM, plus it doesn't solve the Irish border. It'd need to be Norway + CU in which case what's the point of leaving?El_Capitano said:
Interesting thought experiment, though. If Gove gets in and replaces May's deal with his chum Boles's "Norway for Now"...TheWhiteRabbit said:
No way May is allowing him to do thatAnorak said:
But Norway + CU, a la Boles, nominally passes Labour's six tests and could therefore potentially command a majority in the HoC. Nothing else can.0 -
I've been telling you for yonks:rottenborough said:
a) the Tories WILL NOT fight another election with her as leader
b) that election is now looming out of the fog
c) one Big Beast with hat in the ring provokes all to do so
d) as soon as the letters reach critical mass, the party is looking at her replacement not her backing.
With hindsight, the MPs should have quietly taken her out the back as soon as she lost the majority.0 -
An MP actually caring about the welfare of the country and his constituents. What an unusual thing.Pulpstar said:Blimey. Stephen Lloyd a real hero putting country before party.
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Taking inspiration from Florida election officials?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I don’t think would actively support him but they could do the damage without.ReggieCide said:
The DUP seem to me to be the ultimate pragmatists. Will they really fancy JC. I think they might even prefer Old NickNemtynakht said:
This is another thing that May has not addressed. If 48 reaches the party has to decide if it will stick with near through a possible election campaign - she has now lost the DUP. I think the sensible answer would be that she hasn’t really convinced since the last election, rather count on by the fingernails. A Tory voting to keep her would risk a proven election dud. Other possible leaders would have the benefit of either bing a clean skin, or successful electorally Like Boris.williamglenn said:0 -
I reckon it's because in here the US we literally have something over 17,000 separate police forces and law enforcement agencies, so it's sort of plausible as a plot line to have a plod protecting something not question some bunch of new guys turning up that they don't know claiming to be from a TLA they've never heard of.Nemtynakht said:
I loved London has fallen. It was so imbecilic as to make it enjoyable. I particularly liked the ambush at St Paul’s. As if half of the armed police force could be replaced with mercenaries and no one would notice!JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I've just watched 'London has Fallen'. It is a truly dire film, and sadly not to the level of making it watchable.
At the end, however, there is an interesting moment: the new British PM is Prime Minister Clarkson.
And I've realised that's the answer! Jeremy Clarkson for PM, and JC can face JC over the dispatch box ...
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They really don't do themselves any favours....Just adds weight to having an elected upper chamber, as this lot just take the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
He's running the risk of 48 of them going public making him look less than trustworthy. Admittedly we are somewhat short of that at the moment.OblitusSumMe said:
Brady has said that if he ever gets to 48 letters he would want to check with each of them that they still meant it. Suppose there were twenty letters submitted before this week. Twenty phone calls at five minutes per phone call would be more than an hour and a half. And it can be strung out a lot longer than that if he doesn't have the relevant phone numbers to hand or people don't answer their phones, etc.DavidL said:I think we know of about 3 letters which have been made public. One might presume that the likes of Boris and Davis will have written them as well. It does seem extraordinary that we have not had an announcement that we have 48+. Its not a very high number. The fact that even now it seems to be a struggle suggests to me that May just might be a lot safer than she currently looks (not hard, someone hanging on with one hand to a burning window 10 stories up looks to be in a pretty good position by comparison at the moment).
The due diligence on 48 letters could take a while unless all 48 of them corner him in his office as a phalanx.0 -
It makes sense, given Lord Lester nor the Lords were allowed to cross examine the accuser.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Somebody mentioned to me at a meeting today that there was one polling out that showed that 70% of people believed the leave campaign had lied. Anyone have any details?0
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So redo the investigation but fairly this time?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Graham Brady is a naughty little prick tease.
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Well that helps Corbyn's case for their abolition.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
YouGov for a People's VoteOllyT said:Somebody mentioned to me at a meeting today that there was one polling out that showed that 70% of people believed the leave campaign had lied. Anyone have any details?
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So, what's today's arithmetic at now? I make it 47.999 + 5 = 47.9990
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The number is whatever it is, minus 1922.Andrew said:So, what's today's arithmetic at now? I make it 47.999 + 5 = 47.999
I's always wondered about the name of that Committee.....0 -
it's not a courtroomTheScreamingEagles said:
It makes sense, given Lord Lester nor the Lords were allowed to cross examine the accuser.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Sajid Javid is being very very quiet.0
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Let's start with Iain Duncan Smith and Esther McVey.Theo said:
May is the only one actually putting forward a workable plan and caring what happens to the country. The moral degenerates in the ERG and Labour just don't give a damn what happens to people. I have never known people so callous.rpjs said:
Yes, that's why I commented that if May gets through a VONC she should refrain from any motor tours of the byways of deepest Somerset.houndtang said:In its pointlessness and potential for lasting bitterness this is reminiscent of the Irish Civil War with May in the role of Collins and JRM as De Valera
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Anyone get the feeling Brady doesn't want to get to 48
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Boring, I'm afraid. It was first convened after the 1922 general election, hence the name.MarqueeMark said:
The number is whatever it is, minus 1922......Andrew said:So, what's today's arithmetic at now? I make it 47.999 + 5 = 47.999
I's always wondered about the name of that Committee.....
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Was the correct process followed ? Is there a process?TheScreamingEagles said:
It makes sense, given Lord Lester nor the Lords were allowed to cross examine the accuser.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Was it conducted under procedures the Lords had previously agreed were adequate? If the answer is yes, then their decision stinks to high heaven.TheScreamingEagles said:
It makes sense, given Lord Lester nor the Lords were allowed to cross examine the accuser.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Lining up behind a Papist!!!!!!! Ian Paisley would rise from the grave in condemnation.Nemtynakht said:
I don’t think would actively support him but they could do the damage without.ReggieCide said:
The DUP seem to me to be the ultimate pragmatists. Will they really fancy JC. I think they might even prefer Old NickNemtynakht said:
This is another thing that May has not addressed. If 48 reaches the party has to decide if it will stick with near through a possible election campaign - she has now lost the DUP. I think the sensible answer would be that she hasn’t really convinced since the last election, rather count on by the fingernails. A Tory voting to keep her would risk a proven election dud. Other possible leaders would have the benefit of either bing a clean skin, or successful electorally Like Boris.williamglenn said:0 -
I wouldn't put it in quite those terms. But when he makes a pledge, he keeps it.Pulpstar said:Blimey. Stephen Lloyd a real hero putting country before party.
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a) Voted against the Government on tuition fees
b) Resigned from Government over a road not getting dualled in his constituency
c) Won his seat back in a heavily leave area by pledging not to vote to obstruct Brexit, even though he thinks it's as much a misadventure as most Lib Dems.
If only the parliamentary party as a whole had a fraction of his steel in coalition - there would be a lot more Lib Dem MPs left.0 -
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I would have thought these days with WhatsApp etc, that Tory MPs must have a good idea how many letters have been sent in.Pulpstar said:Anyone get the feeling Brady doesn't want to get to 48
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Maybe you should rejoin the LDs?Pulpstar said:Blimey. Stephen Lloyd a real hero putting country before party.
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They're probably looking for her and haven't thought to look under the bed.FrancisUrquhart said:Has anybody asked Brenda whats she thinks of all of this?
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One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:
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Paging Brenda.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
(I know. Oh and I was told by a former MP that the 1922 was just a smokescreen. The real power is in Westminster's Masonic lodges....)grabcocque said:
Boring, I'm afraid. It was first convened after the 1922 general election, hence the name.MarqueeMark said:
The number is whatever it is, minus 1922......Andrew said:So, what's today's arithmetic at now? I make it 47.999 + 5 = 47.999
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Maybe he shreds them as he receives them? Or the drawer he puts them in has a hole in the back and some drop out and he wonders why he is a 37 letters despite everyone in the party having submitted onePulpstar said:Anyone get the feeling Brady doesn't want to get to 48
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I guess she needs to remind everyone that nothing has changed?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
From 1922 to 1700? I guess at least JRM will be pleased with the Tory party's attempt to re-enact Time's Arrow.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
never! Never!! NEVER!!!OldKingCole said:
Lining up behind a Papist!!!!!!! Ian Paisley would rise from the grave in condemnation.Nemtynakht said:
I don’t think would actively support him but they could do the damage without.ReggieCide said:
The DUP seem to me to be the ultimate pragmatists. Will they really fancy JC. I think they might even prefer Old NickNemtynakht said:
This is another thing that May has not addressed. If 48 reaches the party has to decide if it will stick with near through a possible election campaign - she has now lost the DUP. I think the sensible answer would be that she hasn’t really convinced since the last election, rather count on by the fingernails. A Tory voting to keep her would risk a proven election dud. Other possible leaders would have the benefit of either bing a clean skin, or successful electorally Like Boris.williamglenn said:0 -
She has lost the DUP on the Brexit deal. That doesn't mean the Tories have lost them overall - though they would if they were able to push the current deal through.Nemtynakht said:
This is another thing that May has not addressed. If 48 reaches the party has to decide if it will stick with near through a possible election campaign - she has now lost the DUP. I think the sensible answer would be that she hasn’t really convinced since the last election, rather count on by the fingernails. A Tory voting to keep her would risk a proven election dud. Other possible leaders would have the benefit of either bing a clean skin, or successful electorally Like Boris.williamglenn said:0 -
Mordaunt has gone- somebody’s cleaned out betfair0
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rpjs said:
Norway === EEA === FOM, plus it doesn't solve the Irish border. It'd need to be Norway + CU in which case what's the point of leaving?El_Capitano said:
Interesting thought experiment, though. If Gove gets in and replaces May's deal with his chum Boles's "Norway for Now"...TheWhiteRabbit said:
No way May is allowing him to do thatAnorak said:
Farage and Nuttal have to fnd other paid employment?0 -
Brexit *means* Brexit.Polruan said:
I guess she needs to remind everyone that nothing has changed?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
May's going to resign.....pretty sure.0
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May Resigns
Patisserie Valerie CEO Paul May has resigned.0 -
As a potential front-runner to replace May, he's probably thinking "shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit......."FrancisUrquhart said:Sajid Javid is being very very quiet.
And having discussions with the possible temporary leader about supporting his taking over for a couple of years.
Btw, where is David Davis today?0 -
Just on the rumour I think, last price matched 10.5danielmawbs said:Mordaunt has gone- somebody’s cleaned out betfair
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Yes, but as I understand it it was an ad hoc process devised by Lucy Scott-Moncrieff, who is the Standards Commissioner.JosiasJessop said:
Was the correct process followed ? Is there a process?TheScreamingEagles said:
It makes sense, given Lord Lester nor the Lords were allowed to cross examine the accuser.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now I used to work with Lucy. Charming lady but I wouldn't put her in charge of a jumble sale, never mind an inquiry.
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Correct. His pal David Pannick QC has created a right to cross examine that does not exist. How many people in a disciplinary hearing at work are entitled to cross examine their accusers? It never happens and dismissals are held to be fair notwithstanding that all the time.TheWhiteRabbit said:
it's not a courtroomTheScreamingEagles said:
It makes sense, given Lord Lester nor the Lords were allowed to cross examine the accuser.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. This stinks.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Telegraph has this: Michael Gove will only accept the job of Brexit Secretary if he is given the chance to renegotiate the terms of Theresa May's deal with Brussels and the November EU summit is scrapped, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
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Yet both Davis and Raab happily accepted this allegedly neutered rôle with nary a comment.Nemtynakht said:
One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:0 -
I think they will start to assert themselves by abstaining on votes to highlight their valuedavid_herdson said:
She has lost the DUP on the Brexit deal. That doesn't mean the Tories have lost them overall - though they would if they were able to push the current deal through.Nemtynakht said:
This is another thing that May has not addressed. If 48 reaches the party has to decide if it will stick with near through a possible election campaign - she has now lost the DUP. I think the sensible answer would be that she hasn’t really convinced since the last election, rather count on by the fingernails. A Tory voting to keep her would risk a proven election dud. Other possible leaders would have the benefit of either bing a clean skin, or successful electorally Like Boris.williamglenn said:0 -
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hours late....bigjohnowls said:May Resigns
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If May's resigning she should say "I've done my best, but leading the Tories is like herding cats. Best of luck to whoever takes the job on".0
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Or he locked the drawer and couldn't remember where he put the key.Beverley_C said:
Maybe he shreds them as he receives them? Or the drawer he puts them in has a hole in the back and some drop out and he wonders why he is a 37 letters despite everyone in the party having submitted onePulpstar said:Anyone get the feeling Brady doesn't want to get to 48
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Give it a rest. I am appalled by this situation. The sheer political incompetence of May is breathtaking to me. She has got herself into a mess through a tin ear that could feature in a Greek tragedy. The almost theological zeal of the ERG is shocking, stabbing their own for technicalities. It's nasty, nasty stuff.Theo said:You and all the Labour Party care more about the political game than the actual impact on people's lives. You can barely contain your glee over the UK facing an economic crash so you can get into power.
Meanwhile Labour watch from the sidelines in astonishment. They need to get ready to take over and clear up the mess. It will be hard and unrewarding to unpick this shambles.0 -
Davis appeared to be working on a deal that met the red lines whilst she was preparing something behind his back. I don’t support leave but these are not the actions of someone trustworthy.rpjs said:
Yet both Davis and Raab happily accepted this allegedly neutered rôle with nary a comment.Nemtynakht said:
One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:0 -
That's what I find implausible. If she didn't let them do their jobs, then they should have stepped down.rpjs said:
Yet both Davis and Raab happily accepted this allegedly neutered rôle with nary a comment.Nemtynakht said:
One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:0 -
Probably nipped over to Berlin to get the deal sorted.MarqueeMark said:
As a potential front-runner to replace May, he's probably thinking "shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit......."FrancisUrquhart said:Sajid Javid is being very very quiet.
And having discussions with the possible temporary leader about supporting his taking over for a couple of years.
Btw, where is David Davis today?
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Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a uncharacteristically reckless move for her.0 -
Lol, "A TOTAL WITCH HUNT LIKE NO OTHER IN AMERICAN HISTORY!" Even Trump's not so old he wouldn't have had to read The Crucible in high school.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Quite.Nemtynakht said:
Davis appeared to be working on a deal that met the red lines whilst she was preparing something behind his back. I don’t support leave but these are not the actions of someone trustworthy.rpjs said:
Yet both Davis and Raab happily accepted this allegedly neutered rôle with nary a comment.Nemtynakht said:
One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:
And she will now pay the price.0 -
Even better: in the game Eve Online, players can form massive corporations. It has been known for a player to wheedle his way into the corporation, then instantly dissolve it.Pulpstar said:If May's resigning she should say "I've done my best, but leading the Tories is like herding cats. Best of luck to whoever takes the job on".
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I think they would realise the consequence of inactionNemtynakht said:
I don’t think would actively support him but they could do the damage without.ReggieCide said:
The DUP seem to me to be the ultimate pragmatists. Will they really fancy JC. I think they might even prefer Old NickNemtynakht said:
This is another thing that May has not addressed. If 48 reaches the party has to decide if it will stick with near through a possible election campaign - she has now lost the DUP. I think the sensible answer would be that she hasn’t really convinced since the last election, rather count on by the fingernails. A Tory voting to keep her would risk a proven election dud. Other possible leaders would have the benefit of either bing a clean skin, or successful electorally Like Boris.williamglenn said:0 -
May really is crap.
Sky just revealing that in the draft the UK will have to pay to access the EU wide security info, which the UK provide the vast bulk of information for....
Remember how she tried to use this point as leverage and hasn't even managed to get a fair deal on this. The EU should be paying us.0 -
I don't think she can bring on a VONC unilaterally. All she can do is resign as leader but she would be barred from standing for re-election.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
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Must be possible that she knows the no confidence vote is being called, and she's making a statement explaining why she is contesting it? She's really no quitter.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
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oh buggerScrapheap_as_was said:
hours late....bigjohnowls said:May Resigns
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No, she can't, but she can say BRING IT ON BITCHES and encourage her party to make it happen.rpjs said:
I don't think she can bring on a VONC unilaterally. All she can do is resign as leader but she would be barred from standing for re-election.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a reckless move even for her.
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She could get her supporters to send in the letters I suppose.rpjs said:
I don't think she can bring on a VONC unilaterally. All she can do is resign as leader but she would be barred from standing for re-election.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a reckless move even for her.
Of course that is only guaranteed to work if she has at least 48 supporters...0 -
we contribute to the cost at the moment??FrancisUrquhart said:May really is crap.
Sky just revealing that in the draft the UK will have to pay to access the EU wide security info, which the UK provide the vast bulk of information for....
Remember how she tried to use this point as leverage and hasn't even managed to get a fair deal on this. The EU should be paying us.0 -
Perhaps Mrs May is feeling left out, and is holding the Press Conference to announce that she too has written to Graham Brady.0
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Davis was reliably and predictably wrong on every single statement he ever made about Brexit.Nemtynakht said:
Davis appeared to be working on a deal that met the red lines whilst she was preparing something behind his back. I don’t support leave but these are not the actions of someone trustworthy.
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Interesting that during Mrs May's grueling interrogation she said Parliament had voted for the referendum by 6 to 1. 544 to 53 in favour. So there are more than Farage and Cameron responsible.
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I suppose she could order the payroll vote to!Carolus_Rex said:
She could get her supporters to send in the letters I suppose.rpjs said:
I don't think she can bring on a VONC unilaterally. All she can do is resign as leader but she would be barred from standing for re-election.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a reckless move even for her.
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Even that's shrinking rapidly at the moment!rpjs said:
I suppose she order the payroll vote to!Carolus_Rex said:
She could get her supporters to send in the letters I suppose.rpjs said:
I don't think she can bring on a VONC unilaterally. All she can do is resign as leader but she would be barred from standing for re-election.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a reckless move even for her.
Of course that is only guaranteed to work if she has at least 48 supporters...0 -
I’d assume that out of courtesy the 22 chairman advises the leader before announcing the challenge, and that if she wants to respond by resigning she gets to do that. But possibly she will be acknowledging the contest and setting out her stall, as resigning seems very unlikely based on behaviour to date.tpfkar said:
Must be possible that she knows the no confidence vote is being called, and she's making a statement explaining why she is contesting it? She's really no quitter.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a reckless move even for her.
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They're not watching from the sidelines. They have actively opposed the agreement which is why May was having to rely on the ERG in the first place.Jonathan said:
Give it a rest. I am appalled by this situation. The sheer political incompetence of May is breathtaking to me. She has got herself into a mess through a tin ear that could feature in a Greek tragedy. The almost theological zeal of the ERG is shocking, stabbing their own for technicalities. It's nasty, nasty stuff.Theo said:You and all the Labour Party care more about the political game than the actual impact on people's lives. You can barely contain your glee over the UK facing an economic crash so you can get into power.
Meanwhile Labour watch from the sidelines in astonishment. They need to get ready to take over and clear up the mess. It will be hard and unrewarding to unpick this shambles.0 -
Probably very similar to those who voted against triggering A50Roger said:Interesting that during Mrs May's grueling interrogation she said Parliament had voted for the referendum by 6 to 1. So there are more than Farage and Cameron responsible.
And who were the heroic 1 in 6?
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If she survives her gov will never pass anything again.
No DUP.
No ERG.
No Labour, SNP, Plaid, etc (of course).
On the upside, given the policy overlap, she might have SinnFein.0 -
My thinking in recent weeks has been that only Davis could sort out this always-impending clusterfuck within the timeframe of 29th March, by resurrecting the discussions he was having in a concertinad-timeframe. And with Olly Robbins given the boot.Nemtynakht said:
Davis appeared to be working on a deal that met the red lines whilst she was preparing something behind his back. I don’t support leave but these are not the actions of someone trustworthy.rpjs said:
Yet both Davis and Raab happily accepted this allegedly neutered rôle with nary a comment.Nemtynakht said:
One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:
It is still where I think we should be. He seemed to have built a rapport that was getting somewhere. That could yet pull folks together. I can't see anything else that might.0 -
Given Trump's base he probably has to play up to the idea they were actual witches though...rpjs said:
Lol, "A TOTAL WITCH HUNT LIKE NO OTHER IN AMERICAN HISTORY!" Even Trump's not so old he wouldn't have had to read The Crucible in high school.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ah yes this DEFINITELY REAL MAGIC UNICORN PLANMarqueeMark said:
My thinking in recent weeks has been that only Davis could sort out this always-impending clusterfuck within the timeframe of 29th March, by resurrecting the discussions he was having in a concertinad-timeframe. And with Olly Robbins given the boot.Nemtynakht said:
Davis appeared to be working on a deal that met the red lines whilst she was preparing something behind his back. I don’t support leave but these are not the actions of someone trustworthy.rpjs said:
Yet both Davis and Raab happily accepted this allegedly neutered rôle with nary a comment.Nemtynakht said:
One of the strangest things for me is that May has had two Brexit secretaries and has trusted neither to negotiate Brexit. I have sympathy for the leavers who have said that they have tried to engage. The view was always that she had leavers in key abrexit positions - trade is superceded by Withdrawal agreement, dexeu has been run de facto by Robbins and May - why the subterfuge? If she had said it was of such importance that she would negotiate herself then that would have been fineScott_P said:
It is still where I think we should be. He seemed to have built a rapport that was getting somewhere. That could yet pull folks together. I can't see anything else that might.0 -
It's her clumsy attempt at triangulation that damns her.
– My Deal or No Deal or No Brexit.
She threatens Project Fear to opponents on both sides of her deal.
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The EU will not reopen negotiations.MarqueeMark said:
My thinking in recent weeks has been that only Davis could sort out this always-impending clusterfuck within the timeframe of 29th March, by resurrecting the discussions he was having in a concertinad-timeframe. And with Olly Robbins given the boot.
It is still where I think we should be. He seemed to have built a rapport that was getting somewhere. That could yet pull folks together. I can't see anything else that might.
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Meanwhile, in other news. the BBC is reporting that the 'Search (is) on in Boston and Skegness for £76m lottery ticket holder.'
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Like I said earlier, does she even have enough MPs left now to fully staff it?Carolus_Rex said:
Even that's shrinking rapidly at the moment!rpjs said:
I suppose she order the payroll vote to!Carolus_Rex said:
She could get her supporters to send in the letters I suppose.rpjs said:
I don't think she can bring on a VONC unilaterally. All she can do is resign as leader but she would be barred from standing for re-election.grabcocque said:Honestly I can't imagine what else she could conceivably be calling a presser for today unless it's to announce the jig is up.
I suppose she could be pre-announcing a Bring It On for a VONC, but that would be a reckless move even for her.
Of course that is only guaranteed to work if she has at least 48 supporters...0 -
The DUP have said they won't support the deal. They haven't (yet) announced they're withdrawing May's confidence and supply.
They won't do that because the moment they do Labour will move a motion of no confidence under the FTPA and the government will fall.
That's a nuclear option the DUP are keeping in their back pocket. They're not ready to do that, yet. But May's playing with fucking hellfire.0
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