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With things apparently coming to the head with the EU withdrawal negotiations the above shows the latest YouGov tracker on how voters think broken down into what they did at the referendum and their current voting intention.
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BREXITERS’ passionate opposition to a second referendum is definitely not because of fear they would lose, they have confirmed.
Brexit voters agree that no referendum on the terms of leaving the EU is necessary because they would win and the last one was in no way a fluke.
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Buckle up, no deal will be amusing.0
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The 'sides' in this case being people who think we should be in the EU and those we don't. if the deal is unstable, it just makes it more likely we'll rejoin faster.Alanbrooke said:The very essence of a deal is both sides accept it. A deal will not hold if they dont.
You are confusing negotiation tactics on which the EU has outplayed the UK with the final outcome. A one sided deal never sticks.0 -
On balance I would expect remain to win but it is not a rock solid betTheScreamingEagles said:BREXITERS’ passionate opposition to a second referendum is definitely not because of fear they would lose, they have confirmed.
Brexit voters agree that no referendum on the terms of leaving the EU is necessary because they would win and the last one was in no way a fluke.
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the negotiation isnt between remain and leave its between the UK and the EUwilliamglenn said:FPT
The 'sides' in this case being people who think we should be in the EU and those we don't. if the deal is unstable, it just makes it more likely we'll rejoin faster.Alanbrooke said:The very essence of a deal is both sides accept it. A deal will not hold if they dont.
You are confusing negotiation tactics on which the EU has outplayed the UK with the final outcome. A one sided deal never sticks.
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or just one huge anti climaxTheScreamingEagles said:Buckle up, no deal will be amusing.
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What is Labour going to do? Oppose the Government, I should imagine. It is not their job to lend a hand, or come up with alternative strategies on Brexit.
Whether Corbyn gets this or not remains to be seen. But one of the features of politics in the last 3 years, whatever one's personal views, is that JC is consistently under estimated.
I can't see any deal that looks anything like what we are hearing going through. The opposition is coming from every direction now. Johnson minor added a whole new dimension.
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Story of my life.Alanbrooke said:
or just one huge anti climaxTheScreamingEagles said:Buckle up, no deal will be amusing.
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The UK doesn't speak with one voice.Alanbrooke said:
the negotiation isnt between remain and leave its between the UK and the EUwilliamglenn said:FPT
The 'sides' in this case being people who think we should be in the EU and those we don't. if the deal is unstable, it just makes it more likely we'll rejoin faster.Alanbrooke said:The very essence of a deal is both sides accept it. A deal will not hold if they dont.
You are confusing negotiation tactics on which the EU has outplayed the UK with the final outcome. A one sided deal never sticks.
do keep up
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So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
By opposing the government, Labour can continue to retain the votes of both leavers and remainers.dixiedean said:What is Labour going to do? Oppose the Government, I should imagine. It is not their job to lend a hand, or come up with alternative strategies on Brexit.
Whether Corbyn gets this or not remains to be seen. But one of the features of politics in the last 3 years, whatever one's personal views, is that JC is consistently under estimated.
I can't see any deal that looks anything like what we are hearing going through. The opposition is coming from every direction now. Johnson minor added a whole new dimension.
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This is normally the point at which Michel Barnier tweets "lol no you idiots".0
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If it were, say, Robert Peston tweeting this, I wouldn't take much notice. But, Tony Connelly is pretty reliable and well-informed.grabcocque said:This is normally the point at which Michel Barnier tweets "lol no you idiots".
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"I can't believe it's not a customs union"0
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Will we even have a prime minister/cabinet/government this time tomorrow?
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So who will support the emerging deal, who wouldn't oppose the Labour opposition day motion about legal advice today?
And if no-one, do the government go through with forcing a humiliating defeat when they know they will lose?0 -
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
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Not for much longer ...Sean_F said:
By opposing the government, Labour can continue to retain the votes of both leavers and remainers.dixiedean said:What is Labour going to do? Oppose the Government, I should imagine. It is not their job to lend a hand, or come up with alternative strategies on Brexit.
Whether Corbyn gets this or not remains to be seen. But one of the features of politics in the last 3 years, whatever one's personal views, is that JC is consistently under estimated.
I can't see any deal that looks anything like what we are hearing going through. The opposition is coming from every direction now. Johnson minor added a whole new dimension.
Uncharted waters.0 -
Tony Conmelly on 5 live now.0
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Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
So what could that mean? UK bound to follow NI in following EU SI/CU rules?0
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To avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, the EU and the UK Govts have agreed to sink Ireland under the Atlantic....MikeSmithson said:0 -
Philip Maygrabcocque said:
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
The deal has to be presented and then truth will be revealed as many agonise over the issues and the implication of their decisionstpfkar said:So who will support the emerging deal, who wouldn't oppose the Labour opposition day motion about legal advice today?
And if no-one, do the government go through with forcing a humiliating defeat when they know they will lose?0 -
They can argue to one group they oppose the deal, because it takes us out of the EU, and to the other group that they oppose it because it's not the Brexit they voted for.NorthofStoke said:
Not for much longer ...Sean_F said:
By opposing the government, Labour can continue to retain the votes of both leavers and remainers.dixiedean said:What is Labour going to do? Oppose the Government, I should imagine. It is not their job to lend a hand, or come up with alternative strategies on Brexit.
Whether Corbyn gets this or not remains to be seen. But one of the features of politics in the last 3 years, whatever one's personal views, is that JC is consistently under estimated.
I can't see any deal that looks anything like what we are hearing going through. The opposition is coming from every direction now. Johnson minor added a whole new dimension.
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I think so. Until Liam Fox sorts out all those new trade deals.TOPPING said:So what could that mean? UK bound to follow NI in following EU SI/CU rules?
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Or: by allowing Hard Brexit, Corbyn can own Hard Brexit.Sean_F said:
By opposing the government, Labour can continue to retain the votes of both leavers and remainers.dixiedean said:What is Labour going to do? Oppose the Government, I should imagine. It is not their job to lend a hand, or come up with alternative strategies on Brexit.
Whether Corbyn gets this or not remains to be seen. But one of the features of politics in the last 3 years, whatever one's personal views, is that JC is consistently under estimated.
I can't see any deal that looks anything like what we are hearing going through. The opposition is coming from every direction now. Johnson minor added a whole new dimension.
Uncharted waters.0 -
Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".0
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Or alternatively, NI carved out, Irish Sea border...TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so. Until Liam Fox sorts out all those new trade deals.TOPPING said:So what could that mean? UK bound to follow NI in following EU SI/CU rules?
Gah!!!0 -
Quite a few, probably. After all, she is the most popular politician in the country, according to YouGov.grabcocque said:
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
Says reached limit of what Sherpas can achieve. Over to London.0
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I see only sunlit uplands if that happens.TOPPING said:
Or alternatively, NI carved out, Irish Sea border...TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so. Until Liam Fox sorts out all those new trade deals.TOPPING said:So what could that mean? UK bound to follow NI in following EU SI/CU rules?
Gah!!!0 -
Before the last referendum, the wording was not particularly contentious.
Everyone can see that a second referendum is impractical?
Has anyone ever seen how those advocating it want the ballot paper to look like? Thought not.0 -
Cabinet to go to Number 10 one by one tonight...0
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The question is not so much who will support it but who will oppose it. The bits that haven't been tweeted are about how the arrangement ends. I don't see this being signed off unless there are provisions either for unilateral withdrawal (however unlikely that might be in practice), or a termination date to the agreement, when it lapses if no permanent arrangement has been made by then.tpfkar said:So who will support the emerging deal, who wouldn't oppose the Labour opposition day motion about legal advice today?
And if no-one, do the government go through with forcing a humiliating defeat when they know they will lose?0 -
The competition is really, really poor though...Sean_F said:
Quite a few, probably. After all, she is the most popular politician in the country, according to YouGov.grabcocque said:
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
That is just silly. She is the PM and how she presents this will matter to millions. I would also point out that she is far ahead of Corbyn and is well respected by many voters who recognise the poison chalice she inheritedgrabcocque said:
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
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"You will have my decision tomorrow, Prime Minister...." x about 18dixiedean said:Cabinet to go to Number 10 one by one tonight...
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I hope all the MPs voting on this read the deal before voting for or against.0
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i.e. total capitulation.dixiedean said:Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears
The absolute worst of the DUP's fears
The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.0 -
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I think NI will have to follow parts of the SM and the rUK will not. So the "border" in the Irish Sea will have limited elements but not a CU and not for some of the SMTOPPING said:
Or alternatively, NI carved out, Irish Sea border...TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so. Until Liam Fox sorts out all those new trade deals.TOPPING said:So what could that mean? UK bound to follow NI in following EU SI/CU rules?
Gah!!!0 -
She'd better spend her time inviting about 180 Labour MPs in, one by one.....dixiedean said:Cabinet to go to Number 10 one by one tonight...
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Wasn't the previous version about 500 pages?Pulpstar said:I hope all the MPs voting on this read the deal before voting for or against.
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I think the cabinet come first in that, as some admit they did not read the WDA or understand it, ie Boris and DavisPulpstar said:I hope all the MPs voting on this read the deal before voting for or against.
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The UK ends freedom of movement without leaving the customs union.grabcocque said:
i.e. total capitulation.dixiedean said:Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears
The absolute worst of the DUP's fears
The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.
And they said it couldn't be done!!
needless to say I do not agree with your assessment. not least because the backstop does not involve us paying for those things (although we will no doubt pay for things under the future partnership and other things generally)0 -
Isn't it their jobMarqueeMark said:
Wasn't the previous version about 500 pages?Pulpstar said:I hope all the MPs voting on this read the deal before voting for or against.
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Given that the desired ballot paper seems to be:-david_kendrick1 said:Before the last referendum, the wording was not particularly contentious.
Everyone can see that a second referendum is impractical?
Has anyone ever seen how those advocating it want the ballot paper to look like? Thought not.
Should the UK leave the EU
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I don't know what the problem is...0 -
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Race is on for the first cabinet minister to resign.
Dominic Raab, cometh the hour, cometh the man. If you do the dirty on May tonight, you will be PM before christmas...0 -
TBH I think it's best to study a document before leaping to conclusions.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The UK ends freedom of movement without leaving the customs union.grabcocque said:
i.e. total capitulation.dixiedean said:Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears
The absolute worst of the DUP's fears
The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.
And they said it couldn't be done!!
needless to say I do not agree with your assessment. not least because the backstop does not involve us paying for those things (although we will no doubt pay for things under the future partnership and other things generally)0 -
"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
I think May is prepared to die on this hill if necessary.0 -
She didn't inherit the poison chalice - that sounds like she got lumped with sorting out Brexit. Rather, she sought it out like a politician version of Indiana Jones. I can have no sympathy for her making a dog's breakfast of the whole thing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is just silly. She is the PM and how she presents this will matter to millions. I would also point out that she is far ahead of Corbyn and is well respected by many voters who recognise the poison chalice she inheritedgrabcocque said:
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
Why would he want the job?grabcocque said:Race is on for the first cabinet minister to resign.
Dominic Raab, cometh the hour, cometh the man. If you do the dirty on May tonight, you will be PM before christmas...0 -
And how does that happengrabcocque said:Race is on for the first cabinet minister to resign.
Dominic Raab, cometh the hour, cometh the man. If you do the dirty on May tonight, you will be PM before christmas...0 -
Oh come now, this is all following the pre-ordained path. May capitulates, a political bloodbath ensues.Sean_F said:
TBH I think it's best to study a document before leaping to conclusions.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The UK ends freedom of movement without leaving the customs union.grabcocque said:
i.e. total capitulation.dixiedean said:Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears
The absolute worst of the DUP's fears
The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.
And they said it couldn't be done!!
needless to say I do not agree with your assessment. not least because the backstop does not involve us paying for those things (although we will no doubt pay for things under the future partnership and other things generally)
It was written in the stars.0 -
After all her screw up's is she really in any position to do a "back me or sack me" job?MarqueeMark said:0 -
Fortunately, her party is swarming with willing euthanasia practitioners to assist her.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
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Sounding out for potential resignations, presumably. The risk of a full cabinet discussion without ministers being talked to first is that the Leavers egg each other on and develop a momentum in the meeting.MarqueeMark said:
That said, I don't see how Liam Fox can remain in the cabinet with any credibility if the reports of an indefinite EU-UK CU are right.0 -
Public opinion perceives TM as having a poisoned chaliceSandyRentool said:
She didn't inherit the poison chalice - that sounds like she got lumped with sorting out Brexit. Rather, she sought it out like a politician version of Indiana Jones. I can have no sympathy for her making a dog's breakfast of the whole thing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is just silly. She is the PM and how she presents this will matter to millions. I would also point out that she is far ahead of Corbyn and is well respected by many voters who recognise the poison chalice she inheritedgrabcocque said:
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree tograbcocque said:So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.0 -
David Mundell please.grabcocque said:Race is on for the first cabinet minister to resign.
Dominic Raab, cometh the hour, cometh the man. If you do the dirty on May tonight, you will be PM before christmas...
I win £610 if he does.0 -
Agreement reached on a "technical level". Popcorn time.0
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Why can't he remain in the cabinet without any credibility, like now?david_herdson said:
Sounding out for potential resignations, presumably. The risk of a full cabinet discussion without ministers being talked to first is that the Leavers egg each other on and develop a momentum in the meeting.MarqueeMark said:
That said, I don't see how Liam Fox can remain in the cabinet with any credibility if the reports of an indefinite EU-UK CU are right.0 -
She's lasted about 18 months longer than I anticipated, after the last election.grabcocque said:
Oh come now, this is all following the pre-ordained path. May capitulates, a political bloodbath ensues.Sean_F said:
TBH I think it's best to study a document before leaping to conclusions.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The UK ends freedom of movement without leaving the customs union.grabcocque said:
i.e. total capitulation.dixiedean said:Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears
The absolute worst of the DUP's fears
The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.
And they said it couldn't be done!!
needless to say I do not agree with your assessment. not least because the backstop does not involve us paying for those things (although we will no doubt pay for things under the future partnership and other things generally)
It was written in the stars.
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Half the DUP would probably vote for that.MarqueeMark said:
To avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, the EU and the UK Govts have agreed to sink Ireland under the Atlantic....
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Trying to remember what happened the last time a Tory Prime Minister invited her cabinet to see her one by one. Did something memorable happen?0
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no no no much more fun this waySean_F said:
TBH I think it's best to study a document before leaping to conclusions.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The UK ends freedom of movement without leaving the customs union.grabcocque said:
i.e. total capitulation.dixiedean said:Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears
The absolute worst of the DUP's fears
The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.
And they said it couldn't be done!!
needless to say I do not agree with your assessment. not least because the backstop does not involve us paying for those things (although we will no doubt pay for things under the future partnership and other things generally)
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You really do have a nasty side and it is entirely unnecessarygrabcocque said:
Fortunately, her party is swarming with willing euthanasia practitioners to assist her.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
I think May is prepared to die on this hill if necessary.0 -
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1062381729510576129TheScreamingEagles said:David Mundell please.
I win £610 if he does.0 -
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I like to think I add a visceral and earthy realism to drab political debate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do have a nasty side and it is entirely unnecessarygrabcocque said:
Fortunately, her party is swarming with willing euthanasia practitioners to assist her.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
I think May is prepared to die on this hill if necessary.
Also, you're too sensitive.
If you prefer I can use a PB Oldie But Goodie(tm) and say May is going to get pounded like a dockside hooker?0 -
Please note. Am repeating what I understood Tony Connelly to say on R5L. Treat with caution as my brain is not the best...0
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his "a UK-wide customs arrangement, but will have "deeper" provisions for Northern Ireland on the customs and regulatory side."dixiedean said:Please note. Am repeating what I understood Tony Connelly to say on R5L. Treat with caution as my brain is not the best...
Is the $64k question.0 -
The chapter in Tim Shipman's All Out War is superb on the technical battle on the rules the referendum would be fought under. While it might not have been a contentious public issue, the wording of the referendum may well have been critical. The Leave campaigners got the Electoral Commission to change the answers from Yes/No to Leave/Remain. There is evidence that that change alone was sufficient to swing the result.david_kendrick1 said:Before the last referendum, the wording was not particularly contentious.
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I know you mean Maastricht but have there been other occasions before or since?TheScreamingEagles said:Trying to remember what happened the last time a Tory Prime Minister invited her cabinet to see her one by one. Did something memorable happen?
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I call out unnecessary language whenever it is used.grabcocque said:
I like to think to add a visceral and earthy realism to drab political debate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do have a nasty side and it is entirely unnecessarygrabcocque said:
Fortunately, her party is swarming with willing euthanasia practitioners to assist her.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
I think May is prepared to die on this hill if necessary.
Also, you're too sensitive.
If you prefer I can use a PB Oldie But Goodie(tm) and say May is going to get pounded like a dockside hooker?
I am not sensitive but treat people with respect.0 -
You seem to be under a significant delusion that I have any respect for May whatsoever? I'm not sure where you'd have gotten that impression.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I call out unnecessary language whenever it is used.grabcocque said:
I like to think to add a visceral and earthy realism to drab political debate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do have a nasty side and it is entirely unnecessarygrabcocque said:
Fortunately, her party is swarming with willing euthanasia practitioners to assist her.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
I think May is prepared to die on this hill if necessary.
Also, you're too sensitive.
If you prefer I can use a PB Oldie But Goodie(tm) and say May is going to get pounded like a dockside hooker?
I am not sensitive but treat people with respect.0 -
But, they hate each other even more than they hate her.grabcocque said:
Fortunately, her party is swarming with willing euthanasia practitioners to assist her.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Understand that DUP have not seen the text yet, so as yet unknown whether it crosses any of the DUP’s “red lines”"
I think May is prepared to die on this hill if necessary.
For all my life, mutual hatred has been the fuel that's kept the Conservative Party going.0 -
I was thinking the night before Mrs Thatcher announced her resignation.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I know you mean Maastricht but have there been other occasions before or since?TheScreamingEagles said:Trying to remember what happened the last time a Tory Prime Minister invited her cabinet to see her one by one. Did something memorable happen?
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well history lesson takenTheScreamingEagles said:
I was thinking the night before Mrs Thatcher announced her resignation.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I know you mean Maastricht but have there been other occasions before or since?TheScreamingEagles said:Trying to remember what happened the last time a Tory Prime Minister invited her cabinet to see her one by one. Did something memorable happen?
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People post versions on here regularly.david_kendrick1 said:Before the last referendum, the wording was not particularly contentious.
Everyone can see that a second referendum is impractical?
Has anyone ever seen how those advocating it want the ballot paper to look like? Thought not.0 -
That's a beautifully-placed 'play' button.Scott_P said:0 -
Tessie M is going for the modern version of back me or sack me: the back, sack and crack me.0
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Surely the animals cabinet went in,dixiedean said:Cabinet to go to Number 10 one by one tonight...
Two by two,
Hurrah! Hurrah!0 -
Sky saying Varadkar has just announced negotiations are still ongoing.0
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Popcorn alert level 2.0
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Yes - on the face of it, that's contradictory. Unless it's limited to a few very specific cases where there is genuinely an all-Ireland market significantly in excess of an intra-UK one (e.g. energy), that's going to be a very hard sell to the DUP.TOPPING said:
his "a UK-wide customs arrangement, but will have "deeper" provisions for Northern Ireland on the customs and regulatory side."dixiedean said:Please note. Am repeating what I understood Tony Connelly to say on R5L. Treat with caution as my brain is not the best...
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Do try and pace yourselfRobD said:Popcorn alert level 2.
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