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Big_G_NorthWales said:

Polite question - how would you replace the high skill high paid jobs at Airbus.

Not one Brexiteer had offered an explanation as there is not one

You're assuming that Airbus will (A) go and (B) remain otherwise. Neither assumption is safe.

What I would do is two-fold:

Slash corporation tax to encourage companies to invest in the UK.
Abolish Employers NI to encourage companies to pay staff well (and to base well paid jobs in the UK).

Companies get tax relief on most expenditure but get taxed on wages instead.

Incidentally slashing corporation tax if a satisfactory deal with the EU can't be reached as Plan B serves the dual-purpose of both helping us compete for business on a global stage and secondarily undermining Ireland who have been the stubborn spanner in the works in the negotiations. With our corporation tax below Irelands watch and see the jobs relocate here.

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Polite question - how would you replace the high skill high paid jobs at Airbus.

Not one Brexiteer had offered an explanation as there is not one

You're assuming that Airbus will (A) go and (B) remain otherwise. Neither assumption is safe.

What I would do is two-fold:

Slash corporation tax to encourage companies to invest in the UK.
Abolish Employers NI to encourage companies to pay staff well (and to base well paid jobs in the UK).

Companies get tax relief on most expenditure but get taxed on wages instead.

Incidentally slashing corporation tax if a satisfactory deal with the EU can't be reached as Plan B serves the dual-purpose of both helping us compete for business on a global stage and secondarily undermining Ireland who have been the stubborn spanner in the works in the negotiations. With our corporation tax below Irelands watch and see the jobs relocate here.

I could see some sense in that but do not think any COE would get it passed the HOC in this economic climate

AlastairMeeks said:

The essential uniting feature of Conservative voters is a hatred of Jeremy Corbyn.

What would happen if he left office?

An awful lot of Tories would switch or stay at home.

AlastairMeeks said:

The essential uniting feature of Conservative voters is a hatred of Jeremy Corbyn.

What would happen if he left office?

It would depend on who replaced him and what the Labour Party was trying to do.

If Labour returned to being at least nominally economically sane, with a leader who seemed keen to govern reasonably sensibly, and who was making serious attempts to position the party as a government in waiting, there would be a Labour landslide at the next GE.

Big 'if', though. I can't see anything like the massive Blair/Mandelson effort of the 1990s to regain credibility coming from the Labour Party of today.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Are people still pissed at Sir Vince over university fees?

[Younger viewers may need reminding that there was a period when British politics didn't involve existential issues and people screaming.]

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Are people still pissed at Sir Vince over university fees?

[Younger viewers may need reminding that there was a period when British politics didn't involve existential issues and people screaming.]

+1

https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1017455645312913416?s=20

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1017455645312913416?s=20

Juncker seems to have had a few celebration tipples

AlastairMeeks said:

The essential uniting feature of Conservative voters is a hatred of Jeremy Corbyn.

What would happen if he left office?

Depends who his replacement is

Theresa's thinking: "Oh god. Here we go..."

TheScreamingEagles said:

FPT
As a sufferer of sciatica I can spot a fellow sufferer of sciatica a mile away.

I thought good Muslims didn't get what you appear to be calling 'sciatica.'

This is one of the many reasons why David Cameron was completely correct to say Juncker was totally unfit to hold high office (that, his interesting tax history and his removal from office after the security services were behaving slightly strangely). Since then if anything he's got worse.

Pass the sick bag Agnes......

Roger said:

Pass the sick bag Agnes......

Too much for you Roger

Bit more classy than a childish balloon

Sandpit said:

On the other side of no deal would be additional tax revenues from the Googles and Facebooks, whom we could force onshore for VAT and Corp Tax purposes.

How can we force them to move taxable profit to the UK?

Let's be honest, THIS is what Trump came to the UK for

Pulpstar said:

Let's be honest, THIS is what Trump came to the UK for

Just beautiful especially amazing grace

I like Melania.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Polite question - how would you replace the high skill high paid jobs at Airbus.

Not one Brexiteer had offered an explanation as there is not one

You're assuming that Airbus will (A) go and (B) remain otherwise. Neither assumption is safe.

What I would do is two-fold:

Slash corporation tax to encourage companies to invest in the UK.
Abolish Employers NI to encourage companies to pay staff well (and to base well paid jobs in the UK).

Companies get tax relief on most expenditure but get taxed on wages instead.

Incidentally slashing corporation tax if a satisfactory deal with the EU can't be reached as Plan B serves the dual-purpose of both helping us compete for business on a global stage and secondarily undermining Ireland who have been the stubborn spanner in the works in the negotiations. With our corporation tax below Irelands watch and see the jobs relocate here.

I could see some sense in that but do not think any COE would get it passed the HOC in this economic climate

Lets not forget that slashing Corporation Tax has already been policy for years now. It won't take that much more to get it to below Irish levels.

In a Plan B scenario where this is how we deal with the fallout for No Deal then I don't think the HOC would vote it down.

ralphmalph said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The essential uniting feature of Conservative voters is a hatred of Jeremy Corbyn.

What would happen if he left office?

Depends who his replacement is

If his replacement is Clive Lewis or Yvette Cooper the country will celebrate.

If it is Emily Thornberry or John Macdonnell the Tories will celebrate.

If it is Laura Pidcock or Cat Smith the Liberal Democrats will celebrate.

If it is Diane Abbott the Official Monster Raving Loony Party will disband.

Personally I do not see Mrs Balls as an electoral asset to Labour Party in a leadership role. Her rabbit in the headlights look is a touch disconcerting.

She doesn't need to be an electoral asset. She just needs to be less crap than May and less crazy than Corbyn. She fulfills both those criteria.

Edit - and how far have matters dipped that I am desperate for the return of Snowflake, who I find rude and patronising?

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Polite question - how would you replace the high skill high paid jobs at Airbus.

Not one Brexiteer had offered an explanation as there is not one

You're assuming that Airbus will (A) go and (B) remain otherwise. Neither assumption is safe.

What I would do is two-fold:

Slash corporation tax to encourage companies to invest in the UK.
Abolish Employers NI to encourage companies to pay staff well (and to base well paid jobs in the UK).

Companies get tax relief on most expenditure but get taxed on wages instead.

Incidentally slashing corporation tax if a satisfactory deal with the EU can't be reached as Plan B serves the dual-purpose of both helping us compete for business on a global stage and secondarily undermining Ireland who have been the stubborn spanner in the works in the negotiations. With our corporation tax below Irelands watch and see the jobs relocate here.

I could see some sense in that but do not think any COE would get it passed the HOC in this economic climate

Lets not forget that slashing Corporation Tax has already been policy for years now. It won't take that much more to get it to below Irish levels.

In a Plan B scenario where this is how we deal with the fallout for No Deal then I don't think the HOC would vote it down.

No Conservative would vote down a Budget of tax cuts. Even the Anna Soubrys of this world are still in favour of lower taxes.

Is it because some people still think Labour are in favour of remaining, or assume Labour would pursue a softer Brexit? (which is amusing considering the condemnation of May's plan as being 'softest brexit')

The BBC reality check on the news site seems pretty downbeat about the whole thing - essentially saying that leavers hate the plans, and the EU have already rejected most of it in principle and will want a lot lot more.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44807561

GIN1138 said:

Did anyone see Donald try to hold Theresa May's hand going up the steps and she VERY quickly pulled her hand away?

Yes - he does not like stairs

kle4 said:

GIN1138 said:

Did anyone see Donald try to hold Theresa May's hand going up the steps and she VERY quickly pulled her hand away?

Too late - the live updates from the BBC say they held hands.

At the steps, the two hold hands, in an echo of the hand-holding at the White House last year.

At least he grabbed her by the hand.

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Did anyone see Donald try to hold Theresa May's hand going up the steps and she VERY quickly pulled her hand away?

Yes - he does not like stairs

Is he a dalek ?

https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1017485301562990592

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Did anyone see Donald try to hold Theresa May's hand going up the steps and she VERY quickly pulled her hand away?

Yes - he does not like stairs

Is he a dalek ?

Was chucked out of the daleks, he was too much even for them.

For the soft fruit fans today's Tesco Strawberry score is a seven:

Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Lancashire
Cambridgeshire
Kent

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Did anyone see Donald try to hold Theresa May's hand going up the steps and she VERY quickly pulled her hand away?

Yes - he does not like stairs

Is he a dalek ?

https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1017485301562990592

Not the most convincing parody. The Dalek's just too handsome to be mistaken for the orang-utan.

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Carla Bruni.

And we have our first drops of rain in weeks

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Carla Bruni.

Mr May is looking stunning tonight, evoking the classic flair of Dennis Thatcher.

Jonathan said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

She looks so sad.

13 years of being married to Trump must be pretty painful. That's as long as Ivana managed (separated end of 1990).

Alistair said:

I've just been reading the Survation Scotland poll and, in my view, the question on Referendum timing is incredibly ambiguous.

The question, reasonably clearly, asks whether in the autumn Nicola Sturgeon should announce that there will be a Referendum at a later point in time. However the answer wordings implies that the referendum itself would be this Autumn.

The question is:
The First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said she will make a decision this autumn on whether to call a second independence referendum in the wake of Brexit.
Which of the following is closest to your view?

The Answers are
Nicola Sturgeon should call a second independence referendum this autumn.
Nicola Sturgeon should not call a second independence referendum at all.
Nicola Sturgeon should call a second independence referendum, but not as soon as this autumn.

What does the great and good of PB think the question was intending to ask?

It says 'call...this autumn' not 'call for...this autumn.' So I think it's asking if she should announce it in the autumn to be held in May.

I agree it isn't well worded.

May's favourability now net negative with Leavers and Remainers as is Corbyn.

In fact only Cable has a net positive rating with Remainers bit he too is net negative with Leavers.

Scope for LD pressure on Labour Renain voters and UKIP pressure on Tory Leave voters?

Alistair said:

I've just been reading the Survation Scotland poll and, in my view, the question on Referendum timing is incredibly ambiguous.

The question, reasonably clearly, asks whether in the autumn Nicola Sturgeon should announce that there will be a Referendum at a later point in time. However the answer wordings implies that the referendum itself would be this Autumn.

The question is:
The First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said she will make a decision this autumn on whether to call a second independence referendum in the wake of Brexit.
Which of the following is closest to your view?

The Answers are
Nicola Sturgeon should call a second independence referendum this autumn.
Nicola Sturgeon should not call a second independence referendum at all.
Nicola Sturgeon should call a second independence referendum, but not as soon as this autumn.

What does the great and good of PB think the question was intending to ask?

It isn't clear, I can understand why some people would read it as 'announcing a referendum this autumn' would mean the actual referendum would take place this autumn whilst others would take it to mean she'd announce the plans for a referendum at a not specified date this autumn.

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Melania is the most beautiful First Lady since Jackie Kennedy, though at least JFK had classical good looks and did not look like he was on his fifth burger of the day unlike The Donald. I think we can probably say Melania really married Donald's bank account

Wondering if Naboo did this for Palpatine after he became Emperor.

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Carla Bruni.

I meant US Presidential. If we're widening the field to the whole world, that'd be different.

I always found Barbara Bush very graceful and poised.

But I reckon on that front Jackie Kennedy wins.

Dennis Thatcher won. Such panache.

Clegg interviews Biden.

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/anger-management-with-nick-clegg/id1373847767?mt=2#episodeGuid=tag:audioboom.com,2018-07-12:/posts/6916100

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Melania is the most beautiful First Lady since Jackie Kennedy, though at least JFK had classical good looks and did not look like he was on his fifth burger of the day unlike The Donald. I think we can probably say Melania really married Donald's bank account

Ah, it could be love, y'never know. People are weird.

https://twitter.com/andrewhunterm/status/1017386573418123264?s=21

Pulpstar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

And we have our first drops of rain in weeks

Whereabouts in North Wales are you

Llandudno

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Pulpstar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

And we have our first drops of rain in weeks

Whereabouts in North Wales are you

Llandudno

Heavy rain just over the border in Chester too

Leave voters are just p*ssed off with everyone and everything. Who knew?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Regretfully this means no more general election re-runs

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1017400097632485377

Or it might just persuade them to put them on youtube and leave them there.

(PS autocorrect has let you down on 'regrettably.')

TheScreamingEagles said:

Regretfully this means no more general election re-runs

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1017400097632485377

I hope they don't can the prorogation shows... although I might be the only viewer.

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Melania is the most beautiful First Lady since Jackie Kennedy, though at least JFK had classical good looks and did not look like he was on his fifth burger of the day unlike The Donald. I think we can probably say Melania really married Donald's bank account

Ah, it could be love, y'never know. People are weird.

It could be Melania would love an overweight 72 year old if he was a retired mechanic from Ohio rather than a billionaire from New York I suppose. However the odds are not high

Danny565 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Pulpstar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

And we have our first drops of rain in weeks

Whereabouts in North Wales are you

Llandudno

Heavy rain just over the border in Chester too

Seems to have stopped now

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Carla Bruni.

I meant US Presidential. If we're widening the field to the whole world, that'd be different.

I always found Barbara Bush very graceful and poised.

But I reckon on that front Jackie Kennedy wins.

Nancy Reagan was also very chic and graceful for an older lady, after the Kennedys I would say the Reagans were the most glamerous White House couple, with the Obamas third

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

I like Melania.

Especially that leather flying jacket, stiletto look, tres chic.

One thing that is frequently overlooked in the political argy-bargy is that Melania Trump genuinely is a stunningly beautiful and graceful woman who carries herself very well. I can't remember a Presidential consort being that poised.

Melania is the most beautiful First Lady since Jackie Kennedy, though at least JFK had classical good looks and did not look like he was on his fifth burger of the day unlike The Donald. I think we can probably say Melania really married Donald's bank account

You have obviously forgotten The Donald literally boasted of the size of his gentleman's sausage in one of the primaries. And that he is charismatic, which is why millions of Americans watched him on The Apprentice, turned up to his rallies and in the end voted for him.