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That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.0 -
The phrase 'See Naples and die' is a clear reference to driving there.IanB2 said:
Italian saying: In Milan, traffic lights are an instruction, in Rome, a suggestion, and in Naples, decoration...TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you driven in Italy?MarqueeMark said:Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....
Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.0 -
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.0 -
No it doesn't. And I'm sorry but since you mentioned the test that is what measures your proficiency of driving, if Mr Meeks has passed his driving test then he is able to drive. Regardless of what some pretentious prat online thinks.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
I'd rather a careful driver who knows his limits than some arrogant fool who doesn't.
Socrates quote seems apt here - the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
Those who don't know their limits are not better drivers than those who've passed the manoevers in the test but still seek to be careful.0 -
Have you driven in Mumbai? The horn is used in place of indicators, to truly announce the chaos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you driven in Italy?MarqueeMark said:Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....
Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.0 -
My limit on my commute seems to be about 107mpg. I think that makes me a good driver.Philip_Thompson said:
No it doesn't. And I'm sorry but since you mentioned the test that is what measures your proficiency of driving, if Mr Meeks has passed his driving test then he is able to drive. Regardless of what some pretentious prat online thinks.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
I'd rather a careful driver who knows his limits than some arrogant fool who doesn't.
Socrates quote seems apt here - the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
Those who don't know their limits are not better drivers than those who've passed the manoevers in the test but still seek to be careful.0 -
We currently have fewer yellow cards so will top the group as it stands. Not sure how many yellows it will take to put us level.SquareRoot said:an interesting game if neither side wants to win,, what's the situation with red or yellow cards..
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I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.0 -
There was me thinking it was a reference to prostitutionTheScreamingEagles said:
The phrase 'See Naples and die' is a clear reference to driving there.IanB2 said:
Italian saying: In Milan, traffic lights are an instruction, in Rome, a suggestion, and in Naples, decoration...TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you driven in Italy?MarqueeMark said:Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....
Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.0 -
Really fancy Rashford to score tonight. He wants that place.0
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One, I believe. We have 2, Belgium have 3 IIRCPhilip_Thompson said:
We currently have fewer yellow cards so will top the group as it stands. Not sure how many yellows it will take to put us level.SquareRoot said:an interesting game if neither side wants to win,, what's the situation with red or yellow cards..
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I believe the Russians allowed a pre-Soviet era statue of Kant to remain standing in the city because they respected a lot of his philosophy, as being compatible with socialism.Alanbrooke said:
problem is the RAF flattened the place in 1944 and then the Red Army rolled up in 1945 and made sure no two stones were standing on top of each otherAndyJS said:Tonight's match is being played in the birthplace of Immanuel Kant.
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What the f*** is target 2 ???Pulpstar said:
I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
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I'm impressed they understood it enough to have a view. The Critique of Pure Reason gave me a headache.AndyJS said:
I believe the Russians allowed a pre-Soviet era statue of Kant to remain standing in the city because they respected a lot of his philosophy, as being compatible with socialism.Alanbrooke said:
problem is the RAF flattened the place in 1944 and then the Red Army rolled up in 1945 and made sure no two stones were standing on top of each otherAndyJS said:Tonight's match is being played in the birthplace of Immanuel Kant.
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He's admitted incompetence. The driving test is clearly not stringent enough, as much of the driving I observe on my commute proves.Philip_Thompson said:
And I'm sorry but since you mentioned the test that is what measures your proficiency of driving, if Mr Meeks has passed his driving test then he is able to drive. Regardless of what some pretentious prat online thinks.
This prat learnt the hard way not to drive like one.0 -
Smithson Jr explains all in the videoJosiasJessop said:
What the f*** is target 2 ???Pulpstar said:
I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.0 -
Some of those seeing the CSU as the biggest problem will be AfD voters, 53% of Bavarian voters polled back the CSU or AfD according to the latest Forsa poll last weekwilliamglenn said:
Opinion poll: What is the biggest problem facing Bavaria?Alanbrooke said:lol
Lux PM launches attack on the CSU saying a small Bavarian party cant determine future of Europe
so a bloke who is responsible for fewer Europeans than the Oberburgermeister of Munich is saying pipsqueaks shouldnt be ordering everyone else around.
CSU - 39%
Migration - 30%
Housing - 24%
https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2018-06/unionsstreit-csu-bayern-problem-forsa-umfrage
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_state_election,_20180 -
I know it's an (upper!) limit, not a target.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.0 -
In the end, all organisations put maintenance or propagation of the organisation above all else. It's just more distressing when it is ones which have (and may even continue) to do a great deal of good and are meant to be focused on morality.JosiasJessop said:
To be fair, the same can be said for many organisations in the past, including religious ones such as the Catholic church to secular ones such as the BBC or many councils.TheScreamingEagles said:Definitely time for disestablishment.
If the then Archbishop of Canterbury is prepared to put the Church ahead of the protecting children then the Church needs to be removed as a part of the state.
It's so inevitable it probably says something very important about human nature, and the willingness to defend the tribe above all else.0 -
I must be very thick then, as I've watched it twice and am not much the wiser ...Pulpstar said:
Smithson Jr explains all in the videoJosiasJessop said:
What the f*** is target 2 ???Pulpstar said:
I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.0 -
On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.
I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?0 -
It sounds to me a bit like Nick Leeson's secret account.JosiasJessop said:
I must be very thick then, as I've watched it twice and am not much the wiser ...Pulpstar said:
Smithson Jr explains all in the videoJosiasJessop said:
What the f*** is target 2 ???Pulpstar said:
I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.0 -
Did he?Pulpstar said:
Smithson Jr explains all in the videoJosiasJessop said:
What the f*** is target 2 ???Pulpstar said:
I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
It measures capital flight, or something?0 -
Dangerous moment for Martinez there with Belgium's strike0
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At least Welby is taking the report seriously unlike some organisations and religious bodies we could mention when their scandals have been uncoveredTheScreamingEagles said:Definitely time for disestablishment.
If the then Archbishop of Canterbury is prepared to put the Church ahead of the protecting children then the Church needs to be removed as a part of the state.0 -
Jordan Pickford's a dodgy keeper, got Sunderland relegated.
Belgian's reserver keeper, Simon Mignolet kept Sunderland up.0 -
I think charging people for their fuel according to their efficiency would be a great idea too.kle4 said:On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.
I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?0 -
It used to be very unusual to see anyone jumping a red light outside the centres of big cities. Now you see it quite often all over the place.kle4 said:On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.
I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?0 -
The ECB says: "TARGET2 is the real-time gross settlement (RTGS) system with payment transactions being settled one by one on a continuous basis in central bank money with immediate finality."JosiasJessop said:
I must be very thick then, as I've watched it twice and am not much the wiser ...Pulpstar said:
Smithson Jr explains all in the videoJosiasJessop said:
What the f*** is target 2 ???Pulpstar said:
I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.JosiasJessop said:
Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
In short banks or countries that need Euros draw them down from the ECB so that they can then issue cash to their customers/citizens. Banks/countries that have excess cash (because so much money has been deposited with them) can place the additional funds with the ECB so that they have a credit. There is more than you would ever want to know available here: http://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/t2/html/index.en.html0 -
They say that those tasked with investigating match fixing in football find it difficult to watch a game without thinking it might be rigged. This feels a bit like that.0
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Really? In my experience this only happens with cyclists.AndyJS said:
It used to be very unusual to see anyone jumping a red light outside the centres of big cities. Now you see it quite often all over the place.kle4 said:On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.
I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?0 -
Fellaini is decent player to have when you're looking for yellow cards.0
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Fellaini clearly trying for a yellow there0
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Italy is a doddle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you driven in Italy?MarqueeMark said:Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....
Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
I remember Tokyo. The taxi drivers used to put on the headgear and prepare to die for the Emperor......0 -
Deliberate yellow.0
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NY is tougher. My test consisted of driving for about five minutes, essentially around the block, with a parallel park behind another car (but no vehicle behind the space) and a three-point turn on an empty road wide enough to land an airliner on. The examiner told me to slow down twice, but she still passed me with no points deducted!Foxy said:
In Georgia in the Seventies it was possible to drive aged 16, having driven around cones in the carpark and taken a multiple choice test. My brother got a GA license that way.rcs1000 said:
I used to spend a lot of time in Denver, CO. People would go clubbing, and drink heavily, and then get into their cars and drive home. The number of accidents was horrendous. I think I saw three or four wrecks in just one weekend in Denver. That's inconceivable in the UK.rpjs said:And CA has one of the better road safety records, like us in NY. I shudder to think what driving in the worst states must be like.
Mind you he passed his UK motorcycle test despite falling off during the test. In those days the examiner just watched you ride around the block, and couldn't see you all the time.0 -
YepPhilip_Thompson said:Deliberate yellow.
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Yellow card measure just got better in our favour....0
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Note how easily were getting corners and offensive throws here0
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Its a joke tournament if you don't want to win.. World Cup.. absolute rubbish..0
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How much does a red count for under this system0
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Thanks. That's the vague impression I got, but a video with a question such like 'What is this Target 2 anyway?' as the title should perhaps not assume background knowledge of what it is - at least for a general audience ...DavidL said:The ECB says: "TARGET2 is the real-time gross settlement (RTGS) system with payment transactions being settled one by one on a continuous basis in central bank money with immediate finality."
In short banks or countries that need Euros draw them down from the ECB so that they can then issue cash to their customers/citizens. Banks/countries that have excess cash (because so much money has been deposited with them) can place the additional funds with the ECB so that they have a credit. There is more than you would ever want to know available here: http://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/t2/html/index.en.html
It was a shame, as I spent all may first watch of the video trying to work out what the answer was, and waiting for it to be explained.
Personally, I'd have preferred it if it had:
1) Introduction
2) What is this Target2?
3) What it isn't.
4) Why it matters.
5) What's happening with Target 2 around the EU.
6) What this means.
7) Conclusion / summary.
Or somesuch.
I still enjoyed it, even though it made me feel like an absolute thicko. In that respect, it worked perfectly.
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Fair play points in all group matches (only one of these deductions shall be applied to a player in a single match):Pulpstar said:How much does a red count for under this system
First yellow card: minus 1 point;
Indirect red card (second yellow card): minus 3 points;
Direct red card: minus 4 points;
Yellow card and direct red card: minus 5 points;0 -
Aside from driving - have you noticed how difficult it is to find an ATM in Naples. The only one we found was 'indoors' with a guard outside on the pavement.TheScreamingEagles said:
The phrase 'See Naples and die' is a clear reference to driving there.IanB2 said:
Italian saying: In Milan, traffic lights are an instruction, in Rome, a suggestion, and in Naples, decoration...TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you driven in Italy?MarqueeMark said:Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....
Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.0 -
Oh which of our players got booked?MarqueeMark said:Yellow card measure just got better in our favour....
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@rcs1000 excellent stuff but you do have a tendency, if I may say so, to simultaneously reduce the volume and speed up the word rate - the first two sentences here are a good example. This has me using the rewind button a lot. I assume LA is not short of voice coaches, who might help to make your material more accessible to the elderly and stupid like me.
Also, @marketwarbles not @marketearbles, to prove I am paying attention.0 -
EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.
Happy families !!!!!0 -
Was it us, Hungary or Italy?Big_G_NorthWales said:EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.
Happy families !!!!!0 -
I reckon Belgium are going to set a record for shots from outside the box.0
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Doubt it was us - maybe Hungary or Italy but not revealed yetPhilip_Thompson said:
Was it us, Hungary or Italy?Big_G_NorthWales said:EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.
Happy families !!!!!0 -
A much-travelled colleague once told me Algeria is worst of all.MarqueeMark said:
Italy is a doddle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you driven in Italy?MarqueeMark said:Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....
Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
I remember Tokyo. The taxi drivers used to put on the headgear and prepare to die for the Emperor......
He also spoke of places where people routinely drive full pelt through red lights, but behave much more cautiously at green lights, because of all the mad idiots who crash the red.
Good evening, everyone. I hope you are all enjoying the football.0 -
Spain ?Philip_Thompson said:
Was it us, Hungary or Italy?Big_G_NorthWales said:EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.
Happy families !!!!!0 -
Merkel urging the EU to come to a deal on migrants I see. What curious timing that it should be top of her priorities list now despite being around for years, and probably more significantly in the past.0
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Occasional post now but STFU. You’re embarrassing yourself. The roads are full of people driving dangerously and oblivious to that. You’re obsessing about parking. I’m more concerned about the senile Brexit voters driving the wrong way down the M1.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.0 -
Italy, in protest against not getting their way on migration.
This adds complexity to Brexit as any issue that an EU country wants its way on could prevent an agreement, assuming one can be reached.0 -
A football question more interesting than this game is why are African teams so crap ?
Pele's prediction of an African WC winner before 2000 is now a well known joke but African teams appear to be going steadily backwards.
Given that so many African footballers now play in Europe, many for top clubs, plus Africa's vast population of men in their 20s (with huge numbers needing a way out of poverty) they really should be doing much, much better than this.0 -
On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Italy. Unhappy the only focus is on secondary movement.Philip_Thompson said:
Was it us, Hungary or Italy?Big_G_NorthWales said:EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.
Happy families !!!!!0 -
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.0 -
Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again a boring eight:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Fife
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Herefordshire
Kent
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She has got until the end of this conference to get an agreement or face an election apparentlykle4 said:Merkel urging the EU to come to a deal on migrants I see. What curious timing that it should be top of her priorities list now despite being around for years, and probably more significantly in the past.
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I do not think Boris is a leaker, he does it in full view, he writes newspaper articles under his own name. Which incidentally, reflect the Govt position, no SM/CU/ECJ.kle4 said:
On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It is the coaching and facilities for youth development that is missing in Africa. You can only go so far with raw talent.another_richard said:A football question more interesting than this game is why are African teams so crap ?
Pele's prediction of an African WC winner before 2000 is now a well known joke but African teams appear to be going steadily backwards.
Given that so many African footballers now play in Europe, many for top clubs, plus Africa's vast population of men in their 20s (with huge numbers needing a way out of poverty) they really should be doing much, much better than this.0 -
Parking is easy and should be mastered before being allowed on the roads. Telling me about other worse things doesn't make incompetent parkers ok on the roads. I don't give a molecular piece of shit if you think I'm embarrassing myself, intelligent self confessed incompetents like Meeks should be responsible enough to learn to control a vehicle competently before they risk others' lives on real roads.matt said:
Occasional post but STFU. You’re embarrassing yourself. The roads are full of people driving dangerously and oblivious to that. You’re obsessing about parking. I’m more concerned about the senile Brexit voters driving the wrong way down the M1.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
Meeks may be exaggerating his incompetence. That's up to him.0 -
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.0 -
They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to failJonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.0 -
Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate0
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I wasn't referring to merely this issue - he's always being quoted with 'warnings' to May and the like, yet hasn't quit yet even though he could provoke a contest, so if he later claims May led us down this path his protestations he couldn't stop it will be hollow. As for the govt position, that's why I said 'on the other hand', since if May is backsliding on that I don't see how that is reasonable given previously announced positions.ralphmalph said:
I do not think Boris is a leaker, he does it in full view, he writes newspaper articles under his own name. Which incidentally, reflect the Govt position, no SM/CU/ECJ.kle4 said:
On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I'm sure that'll improve road safetyrcs1000 said:
They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to failJonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.0 -
It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959
British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.
BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.
The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...
While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates
'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.0 -
Parking only became part of the driving test over the last couple of decades. Are you saying everyone over the age of 40 is a bad driver,?JonnyJimmy said:
Parking is easy and should be mastered before being allowed on the roads. Telling me about other worse things doesn't make incompetent parkers ok on the roads. I don't give a molecular piece of shit if you think I'm embarrassing myself, intelligent self confessed incompetents like Meeks should be responsible enough to learn to control a vehicle competently before they risk others' lives on real roads.matt said:
Occasional post but STFU. You’re embarrassing yourself. The roads are full of people driving dangerously and oblivious to that. You’re obsessing about parking. I’m more concerned about the senile Brexit voters driving the wrong way down the M1.JonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
Meeks may be exaggerating his incompetence. That's up to him.0 -
That is a big story if true but doubt Sky or the BBC will make much of it as they are so anti Brexit and that would not fit their narrativeralphmalph said:
It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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I fully accept that in Cabinet he is defending a no SM/CU/ECJ brexit. People say he is a soft leaver, I do not think he is in "All Out War" it explained why he went for Brexit. It was an ideological decision, not tactical for the leadership.kle4 said:
I wasn't referring to merely this issue - he's always being quoted with 'warnings' to May and the like, yet hasn't quit yet even though he could provoke a contest, so if he later claims May led us down this path his protestations he couldn't stop it will be hollow. As for the govt position, that's why I said 'on the other hand', since if May is backsliding on that I don't see how that is reasonable given previously announced positions.ralphmalph said:
I do not think Boris is a leaker, he does it in full view, he writes newspaper articles under his own name. Which incidentally, reflect the Govt position, no SM/CU/ECJ.kle4 said:
On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
But coaching and facilities will only take you so far as well.Foxy said:
It is the coaching and facilities for youth development that is missing in Africa. You can only go so far with raw talent.another_richard said:A football question more interesting than this game is why are African teams so crap ?
Pele's prediction of an African WC winner before 2000 is now a well known joke but African teams appear to be going steadily backwards.
Given that so many African footballers now play in Europe, many for top clubs, plus Africa's vast population of men in their 20s (with huge numbers needing a way out of poverty) they really should be doing much, much better than this.0 -
It might depending upon what manoeuvres are removed.JonnyJimmy said:
I'm sure that'll improve road safetyrcs1000 said:
They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to failJonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
I don't think I've parallel parked in the last decade. Unless you're parking on a busy street without off road parking its completely necessary.0 -
It is on the BBC website.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a big story if true but doubt Sky or the BBC will make much of it as they are so anti Brexit and that would not fit their narrativeralphmalph said:
It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.0 -
It’s currently third most read story on BBC website.Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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Is Australia expecting a naval war with someone in the next few years ?Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
That sounds like total bollox.0 -
Not on their news yetralphmalph said:
It is on the BBC website.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a big story if true but doubt Sky or the BBC will make much of it as they are so anti Brexit and that would not fit their narrativeralphmalph said:
It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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*Where* are they being built? In the UK (if so, where), or at an Australian subsidiary?kle4 said:
https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959
British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.
BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.
The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...
While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates
'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.
Edit. Obvious DOH!
"The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy..."
(fx: slaps himself around the head with a wet fish)
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I've done it once since my test 13 years ago, and it was never my best maneuver - maybe it's different in busy cities, but even when I've considered it other options nearby proved simpler.Philip_Thompson said:
It might depending upon what manoeuvres are removed.JonnyJimmy said:
trcs1000 said:
They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to failJonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
I'm sure that'll improve road safety
I don't think I've parallel parked in the last decade. Unless you're parking on a busy street without off road parking its completely necessary.0 -
Adelaide by the looks of itJosiasJessop said:
*Where* are they being built? In the UK (if so, where), or at an Australian subsidiary?kle4 said:
https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959
British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.
BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.
The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...
While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates
'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.
Edit. Obvious DOH!
"The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy..."
(fx: slaps himself around the head with a wet fish)0 -
So they will be built under licence in Australia with BAE supervision? Where is that sweary matelot when we need him?kle4 said:
https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475Big_G_NorthWales said:Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959
British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.
BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.
The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...
While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates
'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.0 -
That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.tlg86 said:
With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.0 -
I do it nearly every time I go into town and never found it a problem in 54 years drivingkle4 said:
I've done it once since my test 13 years ago, and it was never my best maneuver - maybe it's different in busy cities, but even when I've considered it other options nearby proved simpler.Philip_Thompson said:
It might depending upon what manoeuvres are removed.JonnyJimmy said:
trcs1000 said:
They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to failJonnyJimmy said:
That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.MarkHopkins said:JonnyJimmy said:
As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!JonnyJimmy said:
He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.
Or buy a self-parking car.
This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
I'm sure that'll improve road safety
I don't think I've parallel parked in the last decade. Unless you're parking on a busy street without off road parking its completely necessary.
And Belgium have scored0 -
Perhaps have a group draw after each of the final group games.alex. said:
That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.tlg86 said:
With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
Bugger, Belgium score...0 -
Martinez didn't look thrilled lol0
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Prediction - if England lose today they will also lose against Colombia.
Southgate will then be pilloried.0 -
Off topic but another moor fire in the NW, on Winter Hill between Bolton and Blackburn. Not sure GM fire can cope without rain soon.0
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So in this tournament, 20 of the 32 teams had a chance of winning their group in the final game.alex. said:
That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.tlg86 said:
With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
As for 1978, that was before the final groups games were played at the same time. And Peru were threatened before the game.0 -
I thought you were a Brussels europhileFoxy said:
Perhaps have a group draw after each of the final group games.alex. said:
That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.tlg86 said:
With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
Bugger, Belgium score...0 -
Nah, we will repeat 1998, and the only song with a football score:another_richard said:Prediction - if England lose today they will also lose against Colombia.
Southgate will then be pilloried.
https://youtu.be/wknHuaTzoEM0 -
I have semi final tickets for the other half of the tournamentBig_G_NorthWales said:
I thought you were a Brussels europhileFoxy said:
Perhaps have a group draw after each of the final group games.alex. said:
That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.tlg86 said:
With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
Bugger, Belgium score... 0 -
Given that no groups were decided before the final game, 16 had a chance by definition. How many had the outcome completely in their own hands and not dependent on other results? Possibly only Belgium/England.tlg86 said:
So in this tournament, 20 of the 32 teams had a chance of winning their group in the final game.alex. said:
That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.tlg86 said:
With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.another_richard said:
There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.tlg86 said:
Said for years:TheScreamingEagles said:
Eight groups of four
Only the group winners qualify
Two more groups of four
Group winners play in the final
Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
As for 1978, that was before the final groups games were played at the same time. And Peru were threatened before the game.
Regardless of concurrency of games, when sides have nothing to play for there is always the danger of collusion, suspicion of collusion or accusations of collusion. Arg-Peru was just an extreme example. It is not difficult to create situations where a team needs a win, or even only a draw, against opposition who have nothing to play for. And that is not a good thing.
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