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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,466
    IanB2 said:

    Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....

    Have you driven in Italy?

    Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
    Italian saying: In Milan, traffic lights are an instruction, in Rome, a suggestion, and in Naples, decoration...
    The phrase 'See Naples and die' is a clear reference to driving there.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,025



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    No it doesn't. And I'm sorry but since you mentioned the test that is what measures your proficiency of driving, if Mr Meeks has passed his driving test then he is able to drive. Regardless of what some pretentious prat online thinks.

    I'd rather a careful driver who knows his limits than some arrogant fool who doesn't.

    Socrates quote seems apt here - the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    Those who don't know their limits are not better drivers than those who've passed the manoevers in the test but still seek to be careful.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....

    Have you driven in Italy?

    Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
    Have you driven in Mumbai? The horn is used in place of indicators, to truly announce the chaos.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    No it doesn't. And I'm sorry but since you mentioned the test that is what measures your proficiency of driving, if Mr Meeks has passed his driving test then he is able to drive. Regardless of what some pretentious prat online thinks.

    I'd rather a careful driver who knows his limits than some arrogant fool who doesn't.

    Socrates quote seems apt here - the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    Those who don't know their limits are not better drivers than those who've passed the manoevers in the test but still seek to be careful.
    My limit on my commute seems to be about 107mpg. I think that makes me a good driver.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    an interesting game if neither side wants to win,, what's the situation with red or yellow cards..

    We currently have fewer yellow cards so will top the group as it stands. Not sure how many yellows it will take to put us level.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283

    IanB2 said:

    Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....

    Have you driven in Italy?

    Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
    Italian saying: In Milan, traffic lights are an instruction, in Rome, a suggestion, and in Naples, decoration...
    The phrase 'See Naples and die' is a clear reference to driving there.
    There was me thinking it was a reference to prostitution
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    Really fancy Rashford to score tonight. He wants that place.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,679

    an interesting game if neither side wants to win,, what's the situation with red or yellow cards..

    We currently have fewer yellow cards so will top the group as it stands. Not sure how many yellows it will take to put us level.
    One, I believe. We have 2, Belgium have 3 IIRC
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2018

    AndyJS said:

    Tonight's match is being played in the birthplace of Immanuel Kant.

    problem is the RAF flattened the place in 1944 and then the Red Army rolled up in 1945 and made sure no two stones were standing on top of each other
    I believe the Russians allowed a pre-Soviet era statue of Kant to remain standing in the city because they respected a lot of his philosophy, as being compatible with socialism.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,025
    Pulpstar said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
    What the f*** is target 2 ??? ;)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Tonight's match is being played in the birthplace of Immanuel Kant.

    problem is the RAF flattened the place in 1944 and then the Red Army rolled up in 1945 and made sure no two stones were standing on top of each other
    I believe the Russians allowed a pre-Soviet era statue of Kant to remain standing in the city because they respected a lot of his philosophy, as being compatible with socialism.
    I'm impressed they understood it enough to have a view. The Critique of Pure Reason gave me a headache.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    And I'm sorry but since you mentioned the test that is what measures your proficiency of driving, if Mr Meeks has passed his driving test then he is able to drive. Regardless of what some pretentious prat online thinks.

    He's admitted incompetence. The driving test is clearly not stringent enough, as much of the driving I observe on my commute proves.

    This prat learnt the hard way not to drive like one.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
    What the f*** is target 2 ??? ;)
    Smithson Jr explains all in the video
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008

    lol

    Lux PM launches attack on the CSU saying a small Bavarian party cant determine future of Europe

    so a bloke who is responsible for fewer Europeans than the Oberburgermeister of Munich is saying pipsqueaks shouldnt be ordering everyone else around.

    Opinion poll: What is the biggest problem facing Bavaria?

    CSU - 39%
    Migration - 30%
    Housing - 24%

    https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2018-06/unionsstreit-csu-bayern-problem-forsa-umfrage
    Some of those seeing the CSU as the biggest problem will be AfD voters, 53% of Bavarian voters polled back the CSU or AfD according to the latest Forsa poll last week


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_state_election,_2018
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I know it's an (upper!) limit, not a target.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770

    Definitely time for disestablishment.

    If the then Archbishop of Canterbury is prepared to put the Church ahead of the protecting children then the Church needs to be removed as a part of the state.

    To be fair, the same can be said for many organisations in the past, including religious ones such as the Catholic church to secular ones such as the BBC or many councils.
    In the end, all organisations put maintenance or propagation of the organisation above all else. It's just more distressing when it is ones which have (and may even continue) to do a great deal of good and are meant to be focused on morality.

    It's so inevitable it probably says something very important about human nature, and the willingness to defend the tribe above all else.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,025
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
    What the f*** is target 2 ??? ;)
    Smithson Jr explains all in the video
    I must be very thick then, as I've watched it twice and am not much the wiser ...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.

    I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
    What the f*** is target 2 ??? ;)
    Smithson Jr explains all in the video
    I must be very thick then, as I've watched it twice and am not much the wiser ...
    It sounds to me a bit like Nick Leeson's secret account.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
    What the f*** is target 2 ??? ;)
    Smithson Jr explains all in the video
    Did he?

    It measures capital flight, or something?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Dangerous moment for Martinez there with Belgium's strike
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    edited June 2018

    Definitely time for disestablishment.

    If the then Archbishop of Canterbury is prepared to put the Church ahead of the protecting children then the Church needs to be removed as a part of the state.

    At least Welby is taking the report seriously unlike some organisations and religious bodies we could mention when their scandals have been uncovered
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,466
    Jordan Pickford's a dodgy keeper, got Sunderland relegated.

    Belgian's reserver keeper, Simon Mignolet kept Sunderland up.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    kle4 said:

    On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.

    I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?

    I think charging people for their fuel according to their efficiency would be a great idea too.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2018
    kle4 said:

    On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.

    I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?

    It used to be very unusual to see anyone jumping a red light outside the centres of big cities. Now you see it quite often all over the place.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:


    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Personally, I'd rather face ten nervous parkers on the road than one driver on a dual carriageway who believe they are good, yet come right up behind you at twenty MPH above the speed limit and then flash their lights.

    There seems an odd correlation between drivers who think they are good drivers and poor driving.
    I'm miles better at parking than my other half, but she tends to drive faster than me. Like target2 and current account balances I'd doubt much correlation.
    What the f*** is target 2 ??? ;)
    Smithson Jr explains all in the video
    I must be very thick then, as I've watched it twice and am not much the wiser ...
    The ECB says: "TARGET2 is the real-time gross settlement (RTGS) system with payment transactions being settled one by one on a continuous basis in central bank money with immediate finality."

    In short banks or countries that need Euros draw them down from the ECB so that they can then issue cash to their customers/citizens. Banks/countries that have excess cash (because so much money has been deposited with them) can place the additional funds with the ECB so that they have a credit. There is more than you would ever want to know available here: http://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/t2/html/index.en.html
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    They say that those tasked with investigating match fixing in football find it difficult to watch a game without thinking it might be rigged. This feels a bit like that.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    AndyJS said:

    kle4 said:

    On driving tests I've long felt we should all be retested every 10-15 years or so. Standards may have risen, people might have developed bad habits, and maintaining the required standard should be proven.

    I'm not convinced I would pass again, but then I had better learn, hadn't I?

    It used to be very unusual to see anyone jumping a red light outside the centres of big cities. Now you see it quite often all over the place.
    Really? In my experience this only happens with cyclists.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Fellaini is decent player to have when you're looking for yellow cards.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Fellaini clearly trying for a yellow there
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....

    Have you driven in Italy?

    Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
    Italy is a doddle.

    I remember Tokyo. The taxi drivers used to put on the headgear and prepare to die for the Emperor......
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Deliberate yellow.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rpjs said:

    And CA has one of the better road safety records, like us in NY. I shudder to think what driving in the worst states must be like.

    I used to spend a lot of time in Denver, CO. People would go clubbing, and drink heavily, and then get into their cars and drive home. The number of accidents was horrendous. I think I saw three or four wrecks in just one weekend in Denver. That's inconceivable in the UK.
    In Georgia in the Seventies it was possible to drive aged 16, having driven around cones in the carpark and taken a multiple choice test. My brother got a GA license that way.

    Mind you he passed his UK motorcycle test despite falling off during the test. In those days the examiner just watched you ride around the block, and couldn't see you all the time.
    NY is tougher. My test consisted of driving for about five minutes, essentially around the block, with a parallel park behind another car (but no vehicle behind the space) and a three-point turn on an empty road wide enough to land an airliner on. The examiner told me to slow down twice, but she still passed me with no points deducted!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Yellow card measure just got better in our favour....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Deliberate yellow.

    Yep
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Note how easily were getting corners and offensive throws here
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Its a joke tournament if you don't want to win.. World Cup.. absolute rubbish..
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    How much does a red count for under this system
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,025
    DavidL said:

    The ECB says: "TARGET2 is the real-time gross settlement (RTGS) system with payment transactions being settled one by one on a continuous basis in central bank money with immediate finality."

    In short banks or countries that need Euros draw them down from the ECB so that they can then issue cash to their customers/citizens. Banks/countries that have excess cash (because so much money has been deposited with them) can place the additional funds with the ECB so that they have a credit. There is more than you would ever want to know available here: http://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/t2/html/index.en.html

    Thanks. That's the vague impression I got, but a video with a question such like 'What is this Target 2 anyway?' as the title should perhaps not assume background knowledge of what it is - at least for a general audience ...

    It was a shame, as I spent all may first watch of the video trying to work out what the answer was, and waiting for it to be explained.

    Personally, I'd have preferred it if it had:
    1) Introduction
    2) What is this Target2?
    3) What it isn't.
    4) Why it matters.
    5) What's happening with Target 2 around the EU.
    6) What this means.
    7) Conclusion / summary.

    Or somesuch.

    I still enjoyed it, even though it made me feel like an absolute thicko. In that respect, it worked perfectly. :)
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Pulpstar said:

    How much does a red count for under this system

    Fair play points in all group matches (only one of these deductions shall be applied to a player in a single match):
    First yellow card: minus 1 point;
    Indirect red card (second yellow card): minus 3 points;
    Direct red card: minus 4 points;
    Yellow card and direct red card: minus 5 points;
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721

    IanB2 said:

    Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....

    Have you driven in Italy?

    Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
    Italian saying: In Milan, traffic lights are an instruction, in Rome, a suggestion, and in Naples, decoration...
    The phrase 'See Naples and die' is a clear reference to driving there.
    Aside from driving - have you noticed how difficult it is to find an ATM in Naples. The only one we found was 'indoors' with a guard outside on the pavement.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Yellow card measure just got better in our favour....

    Oh which of our players got booked? ;)
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    @rcs1000 excellent stuff but you do have a tendency, if I may say so, to simultaneously reduce the volume and speed up the word rate - the first two sentences here are a good example. This has me using the rewind button a lot. I assume LA is not short of voice coaches, who might help to make your material more accessible to the elderly and stupid like me.

    Also, @marketwarbles not @marketearbles, to prove I am paying attention.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.

    Happy families !!!!!
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.

    Happy families !!!!!

    Was it us, Hungary or Italy?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    I reckon Belgium are going to set a record for shots from outside the box.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298

    EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.

    Happy families !!!!!

    Was it us, Hungary or Italy?
    Doubt it was us - maybe Hungary or Italy but not revealed yet
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    Worst place I've ever driven is San Francisco. Pot-head hippies and junctions on blind crests of hills.....

    Have you driven in Italy?

    Every lane is an overtaking lane and well traffic lights are generally seen as ornaments, not something to be followed.
    Italy is a doddle.

    I remember Tokyo. The taxi drivers used to put on the headgear and prepare to die for the Emperor......
    A much-travelled colleague once told me Algeria is worst of all.

    He also spoke of places where people routinely drive full pelt through red lights, but behave much more cautiously at green lights, because of all the mad idiots who crash the red.

    Good evening, everyone. I hope you are all enjoying the football.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.

    Happy families !!!!!

    Was it us, Hungary or Italy?
    Spain ?
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited June 2018



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Occasional post now but STFU. You’re embarrassing yourself. The roads are full of people driving dangerously and oblivious to that. You’re obsessing about parking. I’m more concerned about the senile Brexit voters driving the wrong way down the M1.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    Merkel urging the EU to come to a deal on migrants I see. What curious timing that it should be top of her priorities list now despite being around for years, and probably more significantly in the past.
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,435
    Italy, in protest against not getting their way on migration.

    This adds complexity to Brexit as any issue that an EU country wants its way on could prevent an agreement, assuming one can be reached.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,090
    A football question more interesting than this game is why are African teams so crap ?

    Pele's prediction of an African WC winner before 2000 is now a well known joke but African teams appear to be going steadily backwards.

    Given that so many African footballers now play in Europe, many for top clubs, plus Africa's vast population of men in their 20s (with huge numbers needing a way out of poverty) they really should be doing much, much better than this.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    EU press conference cancelled as a member vetoed the statement.

    Happy families !!!!!

    Was it us, Hungary or Italy?
    Italy. Unhappy the only focus is on secondary movement.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    kle4 said:

    Merkel urging the EU to come to a deal on migrants I see. What curious timing that it should be top of her priorities list now despite being around for years, and probably more significantly in the past.

    Ah it'll be Italy or Hungary then
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,090
    Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again a boring eight:

    Aberdeenshire
    Angus
    Perthshire
    Fife
    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Herefordshire
    Kent
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    kle4 said:

    Merkel urging the EU to come to a deal on migrants I see. What curious timing that it should be top of her priorities list now despite being around for years, and probably more significantly in the past.

    She has got until the end of this conference to get an agreement or face an election apparently
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    kle4 said:

    On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.
    I do not think Boris is a leaker, he does it in full view, he writes newspaper articles under his own name. Which incidentally, reflect the Govt position, no SM/CU/ECJ.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,655

    A football question more interesting than this game is why are African teams so crap ?

    Pele's prediction of an African WC winner before 2000 is now a well known joke but African teams appear to be going steadily backwards.

    Given that so many African footballers now play in Europe, many for top clubs, plus Africa's vast population of men in their 20s (with huge numbers needing a way out of poverty) they really should be doing much, much better than this.

    It is the coaching and facilities for youth development that is missing in Africa. You can only go so far with raw talent.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    edited June 2018
    matt said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Occasional post but STFU. You’re embarrassing yourself. The roads are full of people driving dangerously and oblivious to that. You’re obsessing about parking. I’m more concerned about the senile Brexit voters driving the wrong way down the M1.
    Parking is easy and should be mastered before being allowed on the roads. Telling me about other worse things doesn't make incompetent parkers ok on the roads. I don't give a molecular piece of shit if you think I'm embarrassing myself, intelligent self confessed incompetents like Meeks should be responsible enough to learn to control a vehicle competently before they risk others' lives on real roads.

    Meeks may be exaggerating his incompetence. That's up to him.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,090
    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to fail
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770

    kle4 said:

    On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.
    I do not think Boris is a leaker, he does it in full view, he writes newspaper articles under his own name. Which incidentally, reflect the Govt position, no SM/CU/ECJ.
    I wasn't referring to merely this issue - he's always being quoted with 'warnings' to May and the like, yet hasn't quit yet even though he could provoke a contest, so if he later claims May led us down this path his protestations he couldn't stop it will be hollow. As for the govt position, that's why I said 'on the other hand', since if May is backsliding on that I don't see how that is reasonable given previously announced positions.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    rcs1000 said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to fail
    I'm sure that'll improve road safety
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    edited June 2018

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959

    British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.

    BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.

    The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...

    While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates


    'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,951

    matt said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    Occasional post but STFU. You’re embarrassing yourself. The roads are full of people driving dangerously and oblivious to that. You’re obsessing about parking. I’m more concerned about the senile Brexit voters driving the wrong way down the M1.
    Parking is easy and should be mastered before being allowed on the roads. Telling me about other worse things doesn't make incompetent parkers ok on the roads. I don't give a molecular piece of shit if you think I'm embarrassing myself, intelligent self confessed incompetents like Meeks should be responsible enough to learn to control a vehicle competently before they risk others' lives on real roads.

    Meeks may be exaggerating his incompetence. That's up to him.
    Parking only became part of the driving test over the last couple of decades. Are you saying everyone over the age of 40 is a bad driver,?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.
    That is a big story if true but doubt Sky or the BBC will make much of it as they are so anti Brexit and that would not fit their narrative
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    On the one hand Boris is a twat who continually leaks things to damage May and to advance himself and it would be good to see him gone, on the other hand, while I'm not fussed about single market access and the like, I feel like that's the one thing May has been clear on so I don't see why she thinks it's possible, unless it is so reliant on hypothetical fudging from the EU that it is not feasible anyway.
    I do not think Boris is a leaker, he does it in full view, he writes newspaper articles under his own name. Which incidentally, reflect the Govt position, no SM/CU/ECJ.
    I wasn't referring to merely this issue - he's always being quoted with 'warnings' to May and the like, yet hasn't quit yet even though he could provoke a contest, so if he later claims May led us down this path his protestations he couldn't stop it will be hollow. As for the govt position, that's why I said 'on the other hand', since if May is backsliding on that I don't see how that is reasonable given previously announced positions.
    I fully accept that in Cabinet he is defending a no SM/CU/ECJ brexit. People say he is a soft leaver, I do not think he is in "All Out War" it explained why he went for Brexit. It was an ideological decision, not tactical for the leadership.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,090
    Foxy said:

    A football question more interesting than this game is why are African teams so crap ?

    Pele's prediction of an African WC winner before 2000 is now a well known joke but African teams appear to be going steadily backwards.

    Given that so many African footballers now play in Europe, many for top clubs, plus Africa's vast population of men in their 20s (with huge numbers needing a way out of poverty) they really should be doing much, much better than this.

    It is the coaching and facilities for youth development that is missing in Africa. You can only go so far with raw talent.
    But coaching and facilities will only take you so far as well.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    rcs1000 said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to fail
    I'm sure that'll improve road safety
    It might depending upon what manoeuvres are removed.

    I don't think I've parallel parked in the last decade. Unless you're parking on a busy street without off road parking its completely necessary.
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.
    That is a big story if true but doubt Sky or the BBC will make much of it as they are so anti Brexit and that would not fit their narrative
    It is on the BBC website.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
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    andypetukandypetuk Posts: 69

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    It’s currently third most read story on BBC website.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,090

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    Is Australia expecting a naval war with someone in the next few years ?

    That sounds like total bollox.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    It is in the Telegraph and the Mail.
    That is a big story if true but doubt Sky or the BBC will make much of it as they are so anti Brexit and that would not fit their narrative
    It is on the BBC website.
    Not on their news yet
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,025
    edited June 2018
    kle4 said:

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959

    British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.

    BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.

    The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...

    While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates


    'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.
    *Where* are they being built? In the UK (if so, where), or at an Australian subsidiary?

    Edit. Obvious DOH!

    "The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy..."

    (fx: slaps himself around the head with a wet fish)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770

    rcs1000 said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to fail
    t
    I'm sure that'll improve road safety
    It might depending upon what manoeuvres are removed.

    I don't think I've parallel parked in the last decade. Unless you're parking on a busy street without off road parking its completely necessary.
    I've done it once since my test 13 years ago, and it was never my best maneuver - maybe it's different in busy cities, but even when I've considered it other options nearby proved simpler.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298

    kle4 said:

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959

    British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.

    BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.

    The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...

    While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates


    'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.
    *Where* are they being built? In the UK (if so, where), or at an Australian subsidiary?

    Edit. Obvious DOH!

    "The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy..."

    (fx: slaps himself around the head with a wet fish)
    Adelaide by the looks of it
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,655
    kle4 said:

    Talking of fake news is Guido's announcement that Australia has placed a 35 billion dollar order with UK to build their naval ships authentic. Not seen it anywhere else so question the veracity in this climate

    https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959

    British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-million pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.

    BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £20bn spending programme.

    The ships will be built in Australia, but are based on the Type 26 design BAE is building for the Royal Navy...

    While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates


    'Large slice' I note. And only 'multi-million' according to the BBC.
    So they will be built under licence in Australia with BAE supervision? Where is that sweary matelot when we need him?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
    That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.

    Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:



    He said he didn't fancy parking in a garage. He said he's rubbish at parking. Parking means controlling a car in occasionally tight spaces at a couple of miles per hour. If you haven't mastered that, you shouldn't be allowed to pass a driving test. I don't appreciate sharing full speed limit, narrow roads with people who can't master incredibly slow and simple manoeuvres.

    I'd far rather share roadspace with cautious drivers who are aware of their own limitations and drive accordingly than with deluded fools who think they are Lewis bloody Hamilton!
    As would I. I drive very steadily in order to minimise my braking. I like to leave a substantial gap between me and the car in front, which sadly seems to encourage the lunatic Lewises so often behind me. But I also don't want to share roads with drivers who can't steer their cars accurately into parking spaces at very slow speeds. Hence my advice to Mr Meeks; learn to park it before you take your new car out.

    Or buy a self-parking car.

    That doesn't make him competent at steering. The reason that the manoeuvres are in the driving test isn't just because they're useful to learn; they're to prove you're capable of moving the car in tight spots, a crucial skill. "Rubbish at parking" Meeks knows he hasn't mastered control of his vehicle, and he knows it's irresponsible of him to take to the roads before he has.

    This applies to all self-confessed bad parkers.
    They removed all manoeuvres from the California driving test because they were causing too many people to fail
    t
    I'm sure that'll improve road safety
    It might depending upon what manoeuvres are removed.

    I don't think I've parallel parked in the last decade. Unless you're parking on a busy street without off road parking its completely necessary.
    I've done it once since my test 13 years ago, and it was never my best maneuver - maybe it's different in busy cities, but even when I've considered it other options nearby proved simpler.
    I do it nearly every time I go into town and never found it a problem in 54 years driving

    And Belgium have scored
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,655
    alex. said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
    That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.

    Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
    Perhaps have a group draw after each of the final group games.

    Bugger, Belgium score...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Martinez didn't look thrilled lol
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,090
    Prediction - if England lose today they will also lose against Colombia.

    Southgate will then be pilloried.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,970
    Off topic but another moor fire in the NW, on Winter Hill between Bolton and Blackburn. Not sure GM fire can cope without rain soon.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    alex. said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
    That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.

    Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
    So in this tournament, 20 of the 32 teams had a chance of winning their group in the final game.

    As for 1978, that was before the final groups games were played at the same time. And Peru were threatened before the game.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    Foxy said:

    alex. said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
    That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.

    Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
    Perhaps have a group draw after each of the final group games.

    Bugger, Belgium score...
    I thought you were a Brussels europhile
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,655

    Prediction - if England lose today they will also lose against Colombia.

    Southgate will then be pilloried.

    Nah, we will repeat 1998, and the only song with a football score:

    https://youtu.be/wknHuaTzoEM
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,655

    Foxy said:

    alex. said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
    That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.

    Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
    Perhaps have a group draw after each of the final group games.

    Bugger, Belgium score...
    I thought you were a Brussels europhile
    I have semi final tickets for the other half of the tournament :)
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited June 2018
    tlg86 said:

    alex. said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Said for years:

    Eight groups of four
    Only the group winners qualify
    Two more groups of four
    Group winners play in the final
    Team with best record in the groups stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    There would be too many dead games and teams would be terrified of losing their first match.
    With the exception of the Croatia group, all of the other groups in this tournament would have come down to the final game. And teams wouldn't be terrified of losing their first match. But wins would be critical.
    That's a bit misleading. The group winners are very rarely decided by the last game. But most teams can't win the group at that point. Which in itself would have an impact on how the final round of group games progress. Teams would be terrified of losing the first game, because that would effectively put qualification out of their hands almost before the tournament has started.

    Even worse is the idea of groups leading direct to the final That leads to outcomes like Argentina-Peru in 1978.
    So in this tournament, 20 of the 32 teams had a chance of winning their group in the final game.

    As for 1978, that was before the final groups games were played at the same time. And Peru were threatened before the game.
    Given that no groups were decided before the final game, 16 had a chance by definition. How many had the outcome completely in their own hands and not dependent on other results? Possibly only Belgium/England.

    Regardless of concurrency of games, when sides have nothing to play for there is always the danger of collusion, suspicion of collusion or accusations of collusion. Arg-Peru was just an extreme example. It is not difficult to create situations where a team needs a win, or even only a draw, against opposition who have nothing to play for. And that is not a good thing.

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