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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » So, this errr… Target2 thing. What is it, and why is it spiking, and should I care?

With the election of the Lega Nord and Five Star Movement in Italy, Target2 imbalances are growing again. The gap between the creditor nations (mostly Germany and the Netherlands) and the debtors (the PIIGS, less Ireland) is now back at levels last seen at the height of the Eurozone crisis.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    Superb video again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    Primus inter pares.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    FPT:
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    decent bottle of claret?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    Isn't the latest one that you have to have your own Breathalyzer kit?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    A much younger mistress?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    edited June 2018
    I watched the video this morning, and I still don't know what Target 2 balances are ...

    Economics is not my forte ...

    Edit: having re-watched the start, I think there's a point here. The video is titled 'What is this Target 2 anyway', and you immediately go into what it isn't. I watched the video, and was still unsure what it was. But perhaps that's just me ...

    But thanks, I have enjoyed all your videos so far.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    Isn't the latest one that you have to have your own Breathalyzer kit?
    You need two!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    Isn't the latest one that you have to have your own Breathalyzer kit?
    You need two!
    Just in case you are so pissed the first time you try and test yourself you make a mess of it?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    edited June 2018
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    My work colleagues go abroad frequently so I'll just be borrowing the 'pack' they always take.
    I think I may need to do something with the lights.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Apparently,

    You will notice on the list that breathalysers do not carry a fine, even though they are a legal requirement. It was headlined as the new big road safety initiative by the French Government as it was saying for over 2 years that an 11 euro fine would be issued for non-compliance, but they have never actually brought the fine into force. They have finally decided that the fines for this offence are to be scrapped indefinitely.

    https://www.drive-france.com/checklist/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    My work colleagues go abroad frequently so I'll just be borrowing the 'pack' they always take.
    I think I may need to do something with the lights.
    The light thing is sensible and must be done, otherwise you'll dazzle other cars. It's dead simple to nip down Halfords and get some stickers for the lights of your make of car.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Jesus Christ, the list is endless....

    If your satnav can show fixed speed cameras, then you’ll have to disable alerts before you drive in France.

    https://www.theaa.com/european-breakdown-cover/driving-in-europe/driving-in-france
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    My work colleagues go abroad frequently so I'll just be borrowing the 'pack' they always take.
    I think I may need to do something with the lights.
    The light thing is sensible and must be done, otherwise you'll dazzle other cars. It's dead simple to nip down Halfords and get some stickers for the lights of your make of car.
    Oh don't worry I will :>
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    The Tory party is trying to sell me a mug with Jez's face on it for £25. I don't think they thought this trough very well.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited June 2018
    The thing I have noticed about almost all the new cars at the moment is that their design is like an attack gunship. All jagged edges and menace. Even the most meek little runarounds now seem to be designed as though they are at the FUP for an attack on the Death Star.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 3,866
    edited June 2018

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
  • This is really very good. Skillful to explain that in such simple terms, I think I nearly even followed it all. Good show.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Good afternoon, everyone.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786
    MaxPB said:

    The Tory party is trying to sell me a mug with Jez's face on it for £25. I don't think they thought this trough very well.

    How much are they asking for the trough?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Thanks Robert. I shall view later in depth. Far too hot to think about high finance at the moment!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    MaxPB said:

    The Tory party is trying to sell me a mug with Jez's face on it for £25. I don't think they thought this trough very well.

    How much are they asking for the trough?
    That comes free with the membership card.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The Tory party is trying to sell me a mug with Jez's face on it for £25. I don't think they thought this trough very well.

    How much are they asking for the trough?
    That comes free with the membership card.
    Do you get a magic money tree as a free gift if you are a first time customer?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    It actually means being quite happy to walk an extra 50 yards from the far end of the car park rather than squeezing in to the last tiny space near to the supermarket entrance.

    Oh, and why do people visiting a gym feel the need to avoid walking across the carpark, when they are about to spend half an hour on a treadmill?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    FPT:
    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    My work colleagues go abroad frequently so I'll just be borrowing the 'pack' they always take.
    I think I may need to do something with the lights.
    The light thing is sensible and must be done, otherwise you'll dazzle other cars. It's dead simple to nip down Halfords and get some stickers for the lights of your make of car.
    Oh don't worry I will :>
    Any moment now our brexiteers will tell you your just giving in to the EU and blinding Frenchies is perfectly fine after what we did for them in 1944.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,007
    TOPPING said:

    The thing I have noticed about almost all the new cars at the moment is that their design is like an attack gunship. All jagged edges and menace. Even the most meek little runarounds now seem to be designed as though they are at the FUP for an attack on the Death Star.

    And your problem is??
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Just watching the video. Enjoying the explanation, although Quitaly is clearly superior to Italexit.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The Tory party is trying to sell me a mug with Jez's face on it for £25. I don't think they thought this trough very well.

    How much are they asking for the trough?
    That comes free with the membership card.
    Do you get a magic money tree as a free gift if you are a first time customer?
    I joined before Theresa became PM so I'm not sure. Definitely no free owl though.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    MaxPB said:

    The Tory party is trying to sell me a mug with Jez's face on it for £25. I don't think they thought this trough very well.

    To be fair, if they think they can sell the idea that Brexit is going to plan, then a few £25 mugs (or troughs) should be a doddle.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    Fenman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    My work colleagues go abroad frequently so I'll just be borrowing the 'pack' they always take.
    I think I may need to do something with the lights.
    The light thing is sensible and must be done, otherwise you'll dazzle other cars. It's dead simple to nip down Halfords and get some stickers for the lights of your make of car.
    Oh don't worry I will :>
    Any moment now our brexiteers will tell you your just giving in to the EU and blinding Frenchies is perfectly fine after what we did for them in 1944.
    That may be, but paying a fine to the gendarmes would pain my soul.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
    He's so incompetent, he's scared to put a car in a garage. I'd prefer him to stay off the roads until he can steer a car with enough proficiency to fit it into a space designed for it.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    FPT:

    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
    Having moved to Cornwall with a Fiat 500 and thinking it would be fine for countryside I agree with this - if you put a front wheel off the edge of the road on a narrow lane to avoid a tractor* then it’s easy to ground on the shoulder of the road or lose traction to get back up. We solved it with a Panda Cross which is the greatest car currently being made in terms of ability to do absolutely anything whilst fitting down tiny lanes.



    *the tractors are fine really, it’s the tourists in 5-serieses who are terrified of getting their contract leasing company’s paintwork within a foot of the hedge that you have to worry about
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.

    An early dividend from your shrewd investment in Southwest Airlines :) ?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Pulpstar said:

    Fenman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    I’m selling a three year old GL.

    It really is fuel efficient, for a 4.7l.
    That's a bit like saying Nicholas Soames is a fit man ... in the 300 lb+ weight category.
    It is more fuel efficient than the 4.4L ML.

    I love my one man global warming machines.
    Personally I want to see if I can keep my Peugeot going till 2030. It'll be going to its homeland for the first time ever this autumn, as I drive abroad for the first time ;)
    I hope you've got all the nonsense the French insist on you having in your car.
    My work colleagues go abroad frequently so I'll just be borrowing the 'pack' they always take.
    I think I may need to do something with the lights.
    The light thing is sensible and must be done, otherwise you'll dazzle other cars. It's dead simple to nip down Halfords and get some stickers for the lights of your make of car.
    Oh don't worry I will :>
    Any moment now our brexiteers will tell you your just giving in to the EU and blinding Frenchies is perfectly fine after what we did for them in 1944.
    That may be, but paying a fine to the gendarmes would pain my soul.
    I got stopped for speeding by a lovely pair of gendarmes in Brittany a few years ago. They fined me 45€ for the speeding, but very generously ignored the pot of weed that my friend had stashed in the passenger glove box, and let us go with a stern but friendly "No smoking in ze car!". I think the fact it was 5pm on a Friday, and they were looking forward to a beer in an hour probably saved us a night in the cells, and them a lot of paperwork!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052
    Polruan said:

    FPT:

    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
    Having moved to Cornwall with a Fiat 500 and thinking it would be fine for countryside I agree with this - if you put a front wheel off the edge of the road on a narrow lane to avoid a tractor* then it’s easy to ground on the shoulder of the road or lose traction to get back up. We solved it with a Panda Cross which is the greatest car currently being made in terms of ability to do absolutely anything whilst fitting down tiny lanes.



    *the tractors are fine really, it’s the tourists in 5-serieses who are terrified of getting their contract leasing company’s paintwork within a foot of the hedge that you have to worry about
    As I recall, Cornish hedges are usually grown from granite!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
    He's so incompetent, he's scared to put a car in a garage. I'd prefer him to stay off the roads until he can steer a car with enough proficiency to fit it into a space designed for it.
    Oh come on now you're making stuff up. How many people do you know actually use their garage for putting the car into :p
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052

    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.

    Sail or motor? inland, coastal or offshore?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Pulpstar said:

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
    He's so incompetent, he's scared to put a car in a garage. I'd prefer him to stay off the roads until he can steer a car with enough proficiency to fit it into a space designed for it.
    Oh come on now you're making stuff up. How many people do you know actually use their garage for putting the car into :p
    Ah yes, the big door on the front just makes it more useful for storage! :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    Pulpstar said:

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
    He's so incompetent, he's scared to put a car in a garage. I'd prefer him to stay off the roads until he can steer a car with enough proficiency to fit it into a space designed for it.
    Oh come on now you're making stuff up. How many people do you know actually use their garage for putting the car into :p
    Me. I especially had a new garage built for that.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Price, how many cannons will you be wanting for your vessel? Or will you be going for a corvus instead?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.

    I can recommend a boatyard in Austria that my ancestral family used to patronise.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.


    Here you go: http://www.shipned.com/shiptrader/small-cargo-ships-for-sale.php

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    Polruan said:

    FPT:

    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
    Having moved to Cornwall with a Fiat 500 and thinking it would be fine for countryside I agree with this - if you put a front wheel off the edge of the road on a narrow lane to avoid a tractor* then it’s easy to ground on the shoulder of the road or lose traction to get back up. We solved it with a Panda Cross which is the greatest car currently being made in terms of ability to do absolutely anything whilst fitting down tiny lanes.



    *the tractors are fine really, it’s the tourists in 5-serieses who are terrified of getting their contract leasing company’s paintwork within a foot of the hedge that you have to worry about
    It doesn't take too long for them to become "Devon ready" - smashed wing mirrors, scrapes down the side, lost bits of trim....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Polruan said:

    FPT:

    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
    Having moved to Cornwall with a Fiat 500 and thinking it would be fine for countryside I agree with this - if you put a front wheel off the edge of the road on a narrow lane to avoid a tractor* then it’s easy to ground on the shoulder of the road or lose traction to get back up. We solved it with a Panda Cross which is the greatest car currently being made in terms of ability to do absolutely anything whilst fitting down tiny lanes.



    *the tractors are fine really, it’s the tourists in 5-serieses who are terrified of getting their contract leasing company’s paintwork within a foot of the hedge that you have to worry about
    And to @OblitusSumMe yes that is a fair point although again, not too many country roads are too rough - 99% of them are paved over and fine. But yes there are some roughish roads and sometimes you do need to get up on the verges.

    As to the tourists, etc, I once had a stand off during a wet winter on a single track road with an immaculate saloon car which wouldn't get over. As I was in a horse box and would have got bogged down had I left the road, I just turned the engine off and waited. They reversed back eventually!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.


    Here you go: http://www.shipned.com/shiptrader/small-cargo-ships-for-sale.php

    http://www.shipned.com/en/stock/bunker-tanker-3300-dwt1 should I buy it ?

    I could afford $1550 ;D
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Jesus Christ, the list is endless....

    If your satnav can show fixed speed cameras, then you’ll have to disable alerts before you drive in France.

    https://www.theaa.com/european-breakdown-cover/driving-in-europe/driving-in-france

    Have you ever been driven by a French person in France? I have, just last week. Not quite as scary as Sicily the week before but scarier than Tunisia earlier that week.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Foxy said:

    Polruan said:

    FPT:

    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
    Having moved to Cornwall with a Fiat 500 and thinking it would be fine for countryside I agree with this - if you put a front wheel off the edge of the road on a narrow lane to avoid a tractor* then it’s easy to ground on the shoulder of the road or lose traction to get back up. We solved it with a Panda Cross which is the greatest car currently being made in terms of ability to do absolutely anything whilst fitting down tiny lanes.



    *the tractors are fine really, it’s the tourists in 5-serieses who are terrified of getting their contract leasing company’s paintwork within a foot of the hedge that you have to worry about
    As I recall, Cornish hedges are usually grown from granite!
    Yes, but we try and adorn them with ferns, gorse and red campion so the surprise of the granite isn’t spoiled when you try and manoeuvre into them.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Mr. Price, how many cannons will you be wanting for your vessel? Or will you be going for a corvus instead?

    Let's wait and see whether we get a Brexit deal first.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Thanks Robert, I think I followed most of it. Having not previously needed one, can PB.com advise me on what sort of boat to buy? It will mostly be used for leisure with the occasional longer trip and a decent sized hold would be an advantage.

    I can recommend a boatyard in Austria that my ancestral family used to patronise.
    :D
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Price, fair enough.

    Mr. Glenn, I'm not sure that'll go down terribly well.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    The thing I have noticed about almost all the new cars at the moment is that their design is like an attack gunship. All jagged edges and menace. Even the most meek little runarounds now seem to be designed as though they are at the FUP for an attack on the Death Star.

    And your problem is??
    It's a big ask for a Toyota Auris.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    CDU heartland have taken the World Cup exit badly then.....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    edited June 2018

    Polruan said:

    FPT:

    TOPPING said:

    There is very little you can't or need to do in the "countryside" that you can't do in a "city" car.

    Although it is very easy to be cynical about potholes/speed bumps on some city roads, it is worth considering the clearance on the underside of the car if you will be driving on rougher country roads more often.

    Our Skoda Octavia has pretty low clearance and it has caused a couple of issues in the past.
    Having moved to Cornwall with a Fiat 500 and thinking it would be fine for countryside I agree with this - if you put a front wheel off the edge of the road on a narrow lane to avoid a tractor* then it’s easy to ground on the shoulder of the road or lose traction to get back up. We solved it with a Panda Cross which is the greatest car currently being made in terms of ability to do absolutely anything whilst fitting down tiny lanes.



    *the tractors are fine really, it’s the tourists in 5-serieses who are terrified of getting their contract leasing company’s paintwork within a foot of the hedge that you have to worry about
    It doesn't take too long for them to become "Devon ready" - smashed wing mirrors, scrapes down the side, lost bits of trim....
    As everyone knows I'm a big fan of Elon - but has anyone ever tried to drive round North Devon using 'autopilot' in a Tesla ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    CDU heartland have taken the World Cup exit badly then.....
    Hopefully Germany will react better than it did to being knocked out in the group stages last time round.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    Theresa May is our greatest ever PM if she pulls that off.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    Pulpstar said:

    CDU heartland have taken the World Cup exit badly then.....
    Hopefully Germany will react better than it did to being knocked out in the group stages last time round.
    Poland worried about being knocked out again.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    Courtesy of Popbitch:

    Two World Cup countries have 0 players who play in their own country: Sweden and Senegal.

    The one country which has 0 team members playing outside their country? England.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955

    Theresa May is our greatest ever PM if she pulls that off.
    And kills the Conservative Party in the process.....?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    Courtesy of Popbitch:

    Two World Cup countries have 0 players who play in their own country: Sweden and Senegal.

    The one country which has 0 team members playing outside their country? England.

    From the same site,

    Which Guardian columnist has more opinions on politics than she can manage to fit in her columns – so takes them to the bookies? She’s an unlikely regular with one high-street bookmaker, fluttering on the comings and goings of Westminster.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052
    Pulpstar said:

    CDU heartland have taken the World Cup exit badly then.....
    Hopefully Germany will react better than it did to being knocked out in the group stages last time round.
    There was no group stage in 1938, being knockout, with replays as the format. It seems that the Anschlaus imacted on the combined German team:

    "Germany, France, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Cuba and Brazil were seeded for draw taking place in Paris, on 5 March 1938. Sweden was given a bye due to Austria’s withdrawal.[3]

    Five of the seven first round matches required extra time to break the deadlock; two games still went to a replay. In one replay, Cuba advanced to the next round at the expense of Romania. In the other replay, Germany, which had led 1–0 in the first game against Switzerland, led 2–0 but eventually was beaten 2–4. This loss, which took place in front of a hostile, bottle-throwing crowd in Paris, was blamed by German coach Sepp Herberger on a defeatist attitude from the five Austrian players he had been forced to include; a German journalist later commented that "Germans and Austrians prefer to play against each other even when they're in the same team"."
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Rather than being the inverse, isn’t that the explanation for ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956

    Theresa May is our greatest ever PM if she pulls that off.
    And kills the Conservative Party in the process.....?
    No Deal Brexit does that to the Tory Party.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052

    Theresa May is our greatest ever PM if she pulls that off.
    And kills the Conservative Party in the process.....?
    What's not to like? :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Dr. Foxy, well, it could lead to the rise of the far right in this country.

    The Government might be lacklustre, to be polite, but I'll take mediocrity over socialists or fascists any day of the week.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,669

    Dr. Foxy, well, it could lead to the rise of the far right in this country.

    The Government might be lacklustre, to be polite, but I'll take mediocrity over socialists or fascists any day of the week.

    Do you mean Communists or Fascists?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    I don't think anyone's assuming anything. The argument is that we are here to win it so should optimise for that. The counter-arguments re momentum are valid too.
    https://twitter.com/experimental361/status/1012246402611777536
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Giving Belgium a 3-0 whumping will do more good than fannying around in our own half trying not to score.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Song, the USSR did stand for the United Soviet of Socialist Republics.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    Pulpstar said:

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
    He's so incompetent, he's scared to put a car in a garage. I'd prefer him to stay off the roads until he can steer a car with enough proficiency to fit it into a space designed for it.
    Oh come on now you're making stuff up. How many people do you know actually use their garage for putting the car into :p
    Me. I especially had a new garage built for that.
    Is that because your old one is full of crap?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    No, it probably means he has a more realistic estimation of his own abilities than most drivers. There was a recent article in New Scientist with a survey in which almost every driver rated their own abilities as better than average, despite the lack of any objective evidence to support their opinion.
    He's so incompetent, he's scared to put a car in a garage. I'd prefer him to stay off the roads until he can steer a car with enough proficiency to fit it into a space designed for it.
    Oh come on now you're making stuff up. How many people do you know actually use their garage for putting the car into :p
    Me. I especially had a new garage built for that.
    Is that because your old one is full of crap?
    Nope, the old garage was too small for a large saloon/4x4.

    I could fit in a VW Golf in there back in the day but opening the doors was a struggle.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Will the government have more success in blocking porn than Brexit ?

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/porn-block-ban-in-the-uk-age-verifcation-law
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Columbia are a shadow of their 2014 team.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    I don't think anyone's assuming anything. The argument is that we are here to win it so should optimise for that. The counter-arguments re momentum are valid too.
    https://twitter.com/experimental361/status/1012246402611777536
    We are here to win it but that doesn't mean we ponce around trying to get the easiest route to the final and hope that the team we face in the final goes down with the lurgy the day before the match.

    Bring it! Should be our mantra.

    27%...40% my arse. Tell it to UBS.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    TOPPING said:

    Giving Belgium a 3-0 whumping will do more good than fannying around in our own half trying not to score.
    +1
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,669
    Looks like the options currently are:

    1. No deal, WTO
    2. As now but no say.

    So staying in looks good.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2018
    BAE triumphs in £20bn Australia frigate contract

    BAE Systems has beaten Italian and Spanish rivals to win a multibillion-dollar contract to build Australia’s new fleet of warships in a victory that should strengthen defence ties between London and Canberra just as Britain exits the EU.

    https://www.ft.com/content/845e88e0-7ac7-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    edited June 2018
    TOPPING said:

    I don't think anyone's assuming anything. The argument is that we are here to win it so should optimise for that. The counter-arguments re momentum are valid too.
    https://twitter.com/experimental361/status/1012246402611777536
    We are here to win it but that doesn't mean we ponce around trying to get the easiest route to the final and hope that the team we face in the final goes down with the lurgy the day before the match.

    Bring it! Should be our mantra.

    27%...40% my arse. Tell it to UBS.
    The example of Portugal two years ago shows what happens when you end up on the right side of the draw.

    EDIT: That said, we should try to win tonight, and if possible, win well. But if we lose, then never mind.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,669

    Mr. Song, the USSR did stand for the United Soviet of Socialist Republics.

    Yes, very similar to Bernie.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited June 2018
    tlg86 said:

    TOPPING said:

    I don't think anyone's assuming anything. The argument is that we are here to win it so should optimise for that. The counter-arguments re momentum are valid too.
    https://twitter.com/experimental361/status/1012246402611777536
    We are here to win it but that doesn't mean we ponce around trying to get the easiest route to the final and hope that the team we face in the final goes down with the lurgy the day before the match.

    Bring it! Should be our mantra.

    27%...40% my arse. Tell it to UBS.
    The example of Portugal two years ago shows what happens when you end up on the right side of the draw.
    Shows nothing. On the day at that time they came through. Could have gone out to Croatia or lost to France on another day. Hardly scientific.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Re cars: when the children arrived we got a campervan. A brilliant vehicle: loads of space, the kids’ friends adored it and I relished the look on peoples’ faces when they saw what looked like a mobile chippy (“Darling - some gypsies appear to have come to the house....) parked outside their house. Plus you were high up when driving and it taught me, like nothing else, how to use your mirrors to park in the smallest of spaces. And you could make a cup of tea. What’s not to love.....

    Since then we’ve had Jags: the old-fashioned beautiful ones - S-type etc - which have been the best cars I’ve ever had. (I once had a Peugeot - dreadful - it burst into flames in Brent X car park only moments after the children got out.)

    Recently I did a trip up to and back from the Lakes in my Jag convertible with the hood down, the sun in the sky, wind in my hair, music turned up loud. Noisy, windy but fucking awesome!!!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Cyclefree said:

    Re cars: when the children arrived we got a campervan. A brilliant vehicle: loads of space, the kids’ friends adored it and I relished the look on peoples’ faces when they saw what looked like a mobile chippy (“Darling - some gypsies appear to have come to the house....) parked outside their house. Plus you were high up when driving and it taught me, like nothing else, how to use your mirrors to park in the smallest of spaces. And you could make a cup of tea. What’s not to love.....

    Since then we’ve had Jags: the old-fashioned beautiful ones - S-type etc - which have been the best cars I’ve ever had. (I once had a Peugeot - dreadful - it burst into flames in Brent X car park only moments after the children got out.)

    Recently I did a trip up to and back from the Lakes in my Jag convertible with the hood down, the sun in the sky, wind in my hair, music turned up loud. Noisy, windy but fucking awesome!!!

    Did Cyclefree just say "fucking awesome"? Very nice.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Cyclefree said:

    Re cars: when the children arrived we got a campervan. A brilliant vehicle: loads of space, the kids’ friends adored it and I relished the look on peoples’ faces when they saw what looked like a mobile chippy (“Darling - some gypsies appear to have come to the house....) parked outside their house. Plus you were high up when driving and it taught me, like nothing else, how to use your mirrors to park in the smallest of spaces. And you could make a cup of tea. What’s not to love.....

    Since then we’ve had Jags: the old-fashioned beautiful ones - S-type etc - which have been the best cars I’ve ever had. (I once had a Peugeot - dreadful - it burst into flames in Brent X car park only moments after the children got out.)

    Recently I did a trip up to and back from the Lakes in my Jag convertible with the hood down, the sun in the sky, wind in my hair, music turned up loud. Noisy, windy but fucking awesome!!!

    I saw a convertible S-type Jag could have been yesterday in London - was it dark green? Was that you??!!
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Mr. Song, the USSR did stand for the United Soviet of Socialist Republics.

    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. (Союз Советских Социалистических Республик
    Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Re cars: when the children arrived we got a campervan. A brilliant vehicle: loads of space, the kids’ friends adored it and I relished the look on peoples’ faces when they saw what looked like a mobile chippy (“Darling - some gypsies appear to have come to the house....) parked outside their house. Plus you were high up when driving and it taught me, like nothing else, how to use your mirrors to park in the smallest of spaces. And you could make a cup of tea. What’s not to love.....

    Since then we’ve had Jags: the old-fashioned beautiful ones - S-type etc - which have been the best cars I’ve ever had. (I once had a Peugeot - dreadful - it burst into flames in Brent X car park only moments after the children got out.)

    Recently I did a trip up to and back from the Lakes in my Jag convertible with the hood down, the sun in the sky, wind in my hair, music turned up loud. Noisy, windy but fucking awesome!!!

    I saw a convertible S-type Jag could have been yesterday in London - was it dark green? Was that you??!!
    No. Sold it 2 years ago for my silver convertible 2-seater (in theory has seats in the back but only for midgets). Don’t make them anymore (the fools) but puts all the fun back into motoring, even if the boot is tiny.

    A brilliant car for carrying plants. I have even carried Xmas trees in it. My next outing will be to the Hampton Court Flowere Show next week.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,545

    Looks like the options currently are:

    1. No deal, WTO
    2. As now but no say.

    So staying in looks good.
    As Tusk said soon after the referendum - it's hard Brexit or no Brexit.

    And so it is.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Re cars: when the children arrived we got a campervan. A brilliant vehicle: loads of space, the kids’ friends adored it and I relished the look on peoples’ faces when they saw what looked like a mobile chippy (“Darling - some gypsies appear to have come to the house....) parked outside their house. Plus you were high up when driving and it taught me, like nothing else, how to use your mirrors to park in the smallest of spaces. And you could make a cup of tea. What’s not to love.....

    Since then we’ve had Jags: the old-fashioned beautiful ones - S-type etc - which have been the best cars I’ve ever had. (I once had a Peugeot - dreadful - it burst into flames in Brent X car park only moments after the children got out.)

    Recently I did a trip up to and back from the Lakes in my Jag convertible with the hood down, the sun in the sky, wind in my hair, music turned up loud. Noisy, windy but fucking awesome!!!

    I saw a convertible S-type Jag could have been yesterday in London - was it dark green? Was that you??!!
    No. Sold it 2 years ago for my silver convertible 2-seater (in theory has seats in the back but only for midgets). Don’t make them anymore (the fools) but puts all the fun back into motoring, even if the boot is tiny.

    A brilliant car for carrying plants. I have even carried Xmas trees in it. My next outing will be to the Hampton Court Flowere Show next week.
    Ah! I do wonder how many PB-ers have met or been around each other without knowing it. I once saw someone looking at PB on his iPhone sitting next to me on the train but I couldn't angle my face to see if he was logged in or was just browsing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    TOPPING said:

    tlg86 said:

    TOPPING said:

    I don't think anyone's assuming anything. The argument is that we are here to win it so should optimise for that. The counter-arguments re momentum are valid too.
    https://twitter.com/experimental361/status/1012246402611777536
    We are here to win it but that doesn't mean we ponce around trying to get the easiest route to the final and hope that the team we face in the final goes down with the lurgy the day before the match.

    Bring it! Should be our mantra.

    27%...40% my arse. Tell it to UBS.
    The example of Portugal two years ago shows what happens when you end up on the right side of the draw.
    Shows nothing. On the day at that time they came through. Could have gone out to Croatia or lost to France on another day. Hardly scientific.
    It's almost like there's a great deal of randomness in individual football results.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Fpt

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I find this car conversation daunting. I've got as far as working out that I need to buy a car but haven't the slightest idea how I'm going to choose one now.

    What are you looking for? Executive saloon? SUV? Runabout?
    Stop using these technical terms.
    :D

    What kind of driving are you mainly going to be doing? Countryside, city or motorway?
    Mainly but not exclusively country driving, with some long distance driving from time to time. A decent-sized boot would be useful. Not too big because I'm rubbish at parking.
    Doesn't "rubbish at parking" actually mean crap at driving and a danger on the roads? If you can't control a car at 2mph you shouldn't be trying to at 70. Get some more lessons and learn how.
    Not at all its about being realistic. Especially given how other people park, I have quite a wide car so I would rather park at the back of a car park and walk extra distance than squeeze between two cars parking on or over their respective lines.

    Parallel parking is master to learn IMO than motorway driving.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. rpjs, I accept the minor correction.

    Mr. Song, Oskar Schindler[sp] was a Nazi. That does not mean the Nazis were good.

    Also, individuals following a creed (in this case political) are not the same as the creed itself. Individuals may be good or bad and that doesn't affect the inherent failure and idiocy of socialism.

    Look how well it's doing in Venezuela right now. The movement of power from individual people and companies to the machinery of the state inevitably leads to shortage, famine, crisis, and tyranny.

    Freedom isn't merely a good for personal morality, it's good for the economy and good for politics. It's why the puritans so keen to censor on religious, political, and 'sensitive' grounds are so damned foolish.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,753
    I completely agree with Robert that Target 2 has nothing to do with trade balances. I also agree that the real causes of imbalances is capital flight. Where I differ from him is that this is not in itself a problem.

    I would make 3 points.

    1. Capital flight is another way of measuring the risk of Euro break up. This risk used to show up with differential interest rates on government debt and it still does to a limited extent but the Mario Put was very successful in reducing those differentials. The risk is now showing up elsewhere and it is currently thought to be high.

    2. Why is this a problem? Because it means most of the working capital in the EZ is being deposited in German banks, despite them paying no interest. This gives a problem to Italian banks. They have to borrow money from the German banks to lend to investors in Italy. This requires both German banks being willing to lend and for Italian investors to pay a double premium, a turn to their own bank and a turn to the German bank as well. If risks are thought to be increasing German banks are likely to seek to recall capital from Italian banks causing severe liquidity problems there exacerbating any crisis that is already ongoing.

    3. It is not risk free from the German perspective either. If Italy decided to leave the EZ and default on these target 2 balances the German/Euro financial system would collapse. The sums involved are far too large to be absorbed. This, ironically, gives the likes of Italy some leverage but it increases instability in a very 2007 way.

    So, I do not think Robert is right to say ignore this. The ECB has got to work to persuade Mario that the Italian banks are a safe place for his cash. As Robert says, this could be greatly assisted by larger interest rate differentials making those Italian banks more attractive. If the EZ goes on like this growth in places like Italy, Spain and Portugal is likely to suffer and Germany is likely to become even more dominant.



  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,669

    Mr. rpjs, I accept the minor correction.

    Mr. Song, Oskar Schindler[sp] was a Nazi. That does not mean the Nazis were good.

    Also, individuals following a creed (in this case political) are not the same as the creed itself. Individuals may be good or bad and that doesn't affect the inherent failure and idiocy of socialism.

    Look how well it's doing in Venezuela right now. The movement of power from individual people and companies to the machinery of the state inevitably leads to shortage, famine, crisis, and tyranny.

    Freedom isn't merely a good for personal morality, it's good for the economy and good for politics. It's why the puritans so keen to censor on religious, political, and 'sensitive' grounds are so damned foolish.

    OK, just surprised that you went to the extreme right of the political spectrum for one cutoff point, but moved in a tad at the extreme left.
    So Communists and Socialists are as bad as Fascists!
    What's your take on Social Democrats?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    I've found a frame where there is contact between the players legs but not yet the ball, on that basis Senegal were incorrectly denied the penalty.
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    I don't think anyone's assuming anything. The argument is that we are here to win it so should optimise for that. The counter-arguments re momentum are valid too.
    https://twitter.com/experimental361/status/1012246402611777536
    We are here to win it but that doesn't mean we ponce around trying to get the easiest route to the final and hope that the team we face in the final goes down with the lurgy the day before the match.

    Bring it! Should be our mantra.

    27%...40% my arse. Tell it to UBS.
    The example of Portugal two years ago shows what happens when you end up on the right side of the draw.
    Shows nothing. On the day at that time they came through. Could have gone out to Croatia or lost to France on another day. Hardly scientific.
    It's almost like there's a great deal of randomness in individual football results.
    I have not lost it sufficiently not to appreciate that England winning the World Cup is very much a tail event!
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