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Talking of idiocy, Nadine Dorries is up now.0
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It is a thing, apparently (note the typo...):TOPPING said:
It is Wazzock. What is this ridiculous "Wassock"? FFS.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hertfordshire would spell it wazzock tooMarqueeMark said:
Derbyshire votes "wazzock".Nigelb said:
No, you were right. Yorkshire and Lancashire agree on the point, so it must be correct.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've always spelt it as 'wazzock'RochdalePioneers said:Question - why are Labour MPs being whipped to vote against our own emergency debate motion?
Answer - because Corbyn is a wassock
I'm so confused now.
(I think 'wassock' is some Midland dialect... and autocorrect tries to change it to cassock.)
Me duck.
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Barnet as a whole was strongly Remain, but the Conservatives still led 47% to 45% across the borough last year. Populus reckons the Conservatives led in Childs Hill. The Green vote is not as big as it appears in percentage terms, as they only stood one candidate out of three.rcs1000 said:There's a big Green vote to squeeze in Childs Hill, and I suspect it was one of the most Remain wards in the country. There will also be a substantial number of EU professionals in the ward, who might wish to register a protest vote.
For this reason, I'm going to disagree with OGH: I think Childs Hill will go from two Conservative councillors to zero - whether the beneficiary will be the LibDems or the Labour Party is another matter altogether.0 -
Prince William is getting with the Corbyn future. Says he likes Nandos and talking issues of gender politics.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5624359/Prince-William-reveals-hes-fan-NANDOS.html0 -
Mr. Labour, I'd sooner vote for Boris to be PM than Corbyn. And Boris isn't fit to be Foreign Secretary.
Corbyn's the far left. He, and his sinister chums, are as reprehensible as the far right (who would not be so softly indulged for marching in front of swastikas and Hitler portraits as Corbyn has been for communist flags and Lenin/Stalin).0 -
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Conservative voters do care about it, so far as we can tell. They don't care sufficiently to wish to bring down the government over it.AlastairMeeks said:
The problem is not just immigration. But immigration is a place where it's particularly visible and where by and large the system's cruelties are condoned by the public.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
Both the policy and its implementation were minister-led. This is not some junior administrative bungle. In the current climate, common sense is not required - mindless cruelty against outsiders is to be preferred.RochdalePioneers said:
Surely Rudd could have told the officials to apply an element of common sense?
The problem is not just immigration, bureaucrats not caring about people and just ticking boxes is a wide problem across society.
It's not necessarily the bureaucrats fault, as if they do show some common sense, they can then be penalised themselves.
It's a mess. And people get hurt.
It's that sentiment that secured Brexit, with a campaign of xenophobic lies, and reinforced this behaviour by the government who could act against poor, marginalised people without consequence. The yelps from some Leavers are crocodile tears: they played a large part in contributing to this problem.
There will be no ministerial resignations. Conservatives simply don't care enough about this to force one, when it comes down to it.
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40% of London voted leave. The SNP underperformed the yes to independence vote by 8% at the last election.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Of course they have given thought to the effects of their policies, which have been very successful. As you will know, since 2010 many hundreds of thousands of disabled people have been helped into work, and benefits payments have been increased for the most badly disabled.Nigelb said:Deliberately pursuing a policy without giving much, if any thought to its likely effects on the most vulnerable, then.
The years of official indifference to reports of such problems is equally offensive.
And isn't that what impact assessments are supposed to be about ?
And they are not resting on their laurels:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/strategy-seeks-one-million-more-disabled-people-in-work-by-2027
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And over performed yes to independence by 5% in 2015.old_labour said:
40% of London voted leave. The SNP underperformed the yes to independence vote by 8% at the last election.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Yep and what are a few ruined lives in the mix?Sean_F said:
Conservative voters do care about it, so far as we can tell. They don't care sufficiently to wish to bring down the government over it.AlastairMeeks said:
The problem is not just immigration. But immigration is a place where it's particularly visible and where by and large the system's cruelties are condoned by the public.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
Both the policy and its implementation were minister-led. This is not some junior administrative bungle. In the current climate, common sense is not required - mindless cruelty against outsiders is to be preferred.RochdalePioneers said:
Surely Rudd could have told the officials to apply an element of common sense?
The problem is not just immigration, bureaucrats not caring about people and just ticking boxes is a wide problem across society.
It's not necessarily the bureaucrats fault, as if they do show some common sense, they can then be penalised themselves.
It's a mess. And people get hurt.
It's that sentiment that secured Brexit, with a campaign of xenophobic lies, and reinforced this behaviour by the government who could act against poor, marginalised people without consequence. The yelps from some Leavers are crocodile tears: they played a large part in contributing to this problem.
There will be no ministerial resignations. Conservatives simply don't care enough about this to force one, when it comes down to it.0 -
Johnny Mercer on his feet now.0
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32% is about where I'd expect the Conservatives' vote share in London to be this time. By comparison, it was 31% in 1994, 32% in 1998, 34% in 2002, 35% in 2006, 34% in 2010, and 26% in 2010 (depressed by the UKIP vote share).old_labour said:
40% of London voted leave. The SNP underperformed the yes to independence vote by 8% at the last election.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
If I heard correctly (was distracted), Johnny Mercer against War Powers Act in case parliament voted against military action.0
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I simply wanted to know why you chose to use 'the gays' - which is a form of language that can be seen to diminish gay people. I am not throwing crap - I am just disappointed that you chose to use that way to express yourself.old_labour said:
FFS. I am from Scotland. I promise in future to say "we Scots" rather than "the Scots". Do not throw your crap at me.oxfordsimon said:
Then why 'the gays' and not 'us gays' or some other more positive use of language?old_labour said:
Looks in mirror. Nah!oxfordsimon said:
Why the casual homophobia???old_labour said:
They should let the gays and the old ladies enjoy the occasion and not ruin their day.TheScreamingEagles said:Tools. Let the couple enjoy their happy day.
This is like the Westboro Church protesting at military funerals
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The Borough looks finely balanced, and Childs Hill could easily be LD gains.Sean_F said:
Barnet as a whole was strongly Remain, but the Conservatives still led 47% to 45% across the borough last year. Populus reckons the Conservatives led in Childs Hill. The Green vote is not as big as it appears in percentage terms, as they only stood one candidate out of three.rcs1000 said:There's a big Green vote to squeeze in Childs Hill, and I suspect it was one of the most Remain wards in the country. There will also be a substantial number of EU professionals in the ward, who might wish to register a protest vote.
For this reason, I'm going to disagree with OGH: I think Childs Hill will go from two Conservative councillors to zero - whether the beneficiary will be the LibDems or the Labour Party is another matter altogether.
I reckon the 12/1 with Shadsy on NoC is worth a punt.0 -
Twitter is going down on and off. Mad Vlad's cyber war has started.0
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A debate where the Leader of the Opposition plans to vote against his own motion, and where no-one quite seems to know what the vote is about, isn't a terribly effective way of promoting the idea that parliament should have a veto on action.0
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Tw@tter down!old_labour said:
Twitter is going down on and off. Mad Vlad's cyber war has started.
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This is unbelievable, and was published by the Home Office in 2013.
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Well, that would be the risk!old_labour said:If I heard correctly (was distracted), Johnny Mercer against War Powers Act in case parliament voted against military action.
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That looks good value as well.Foxy said:
The Borough looks finely balanced, and Childs Hill could easily be LD gains.Sean_F said:
Barnet as a whole was strongly Remain, but the Conservatives still led 47% to 45% across the borough last year. Populus reckons the Conservatives led in Childs Hill. The Green vote is not as big as it appears in percentage terms, as they only stood one candidate out of three.rcs1000 said:There's a big Green vote to squeeze in Childs Hill, and I suspect it was one of the most Remain wards in the country. There will also be a substantial number of EU professionals in the ward, who might wish to register a protest vote.
For this reason, I'm going to disagree with OGH: I think Childs Hill will go from two Conservative councillors to zero - whether the beneficiary will be the LibDems or the Labour Party is another matter altogether.
I reckon the 12/1 with Shadsy on NoC is worth a punt.0 -
But she is Home Secretary now. It's her job to take one for her boss.old_labour said:
It happened in 2010.rcs1000 said:
If this is true, Rudd must go.TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Use Tweetdeck (tweetdeck.twitter.com). It often stays up when the main twitter site crashes, and it's vastly more usable, plus no adverts.old_labour said:Twitter is going down on and off. Mad Vlad's cyber war has started.
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I speak as I speak. If you do not like it, Edmund in Tokyo has a computer programme where you can block having to read my contributions if they disturb you so much. I was going to write a sentence including the words "Johnny Mercer" and "Pregabalin", but I decided not to in case it upset anyone.oxfordsimon said:
I simply wanted to know why you chose to use 'the gays' - which is a form of language that can be seen to diminish gay people. I am not throwing crap - I am just disappointed that you chose to use that way to express yourself.old_labour said:
FFS. I am from Scotland. I promise in future to say "we Scots" rather than "the Scots". Do not throw your crap at me.oxfordsimon said:
Then why 'the gays' and not 'us gays' or some other more positive use of language?old_labour said:
Looks in mirror. Nah!oxfordsimon said:
Why the casual homophobia???old_labour said:
They should let the gays and the old ladies enjoy the occasion and not ruin their day.TheScreamingEagles said:Tools. Let the couple enjoy their happy day.
This is like the Westboro Church protesting at military funerals
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"I saywilliamglenn said:This is unbelievable, and was published by the Home Office in 2013.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coming-home-to-jamaica-guide
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Rudd did that in the debates, she was also dealing with a personal tragedy at the time. I definitely think she needs to stay in post - at least till Gauke resigns over the Worboys stuff !rcs1000 said:
But she is Home Secretary now. It's her job to take one for her boss.old_labour said:
It happened in 2010.rcs1000 said:
If this is true, Rudd must go.TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
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Corbyn hater, Ian Dunt on Theresa May.
Ian Dunt
Verified account @IanDunt
22m22 minutes ago
This is her Brexit communications strategy projected up onto foreign policy: total secrecy and full freedom for the government, or else it helps the enemy.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/986246518465269766
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LD is the spoiler. I expect LD to comfortably outperform their GE opinion poll ratings, especially across the south.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, from someone else with a keen interest in this:
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The War of the Rozes you mean?RochdalePioneers said:
Wassock / Wazzock spelling row. What do you think started the War of the Roses?Nigelb said:
No, you were right. Yorkshire and Lancashire agree on the point, so it must be correct.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've always spelt it as 'wazzock'RochdalePioneers said:Question - why are Labour MPs being whipped to vote against our own emergency debate motion?
Answer - because Corbyn is a wassock
I'm so confused now.
(I think 'wassock' is some Midland dialect... and autocorrect tries to change it to cassock.)0 -
Apologies, that “Going Home to Jamaica” guide seems to have come from the FCO.0
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They usually do.Dadge said:
LD is the spoiler. I expect LD to comfortably outperform their GE opinion poll ratings, especially across the south.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, from someone else with a keen interest in this:
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”From: Foreign & Commonwealth Office” on the front page is a false flag ruse, I take it.williamglenn said:This is unbelievable, and was published by the Home Office in 2013.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coming-home-to-jamaica-guide
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Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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“Defending the crusades” is now thought crime? His rationale for the defence was ahistorical (aka bollocks) as I doubt he’s familiar with the argument that the Reconquista should be classified as a Crusade, but that doesn’t mean you can shut it down as an argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Tory candidate in Hoxton suspended for anti-Muslim posts on social media
Alexander van Terheyden went to a far-right rally and has defended the crusades
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The Home Secretary before the 2010 election was Alan Johnson, leader of the successful Labour remain campaign. Before him, it was Jacqui Smith.Andrew said:
I note the article only says they were destroyed in October, but doesn't say when the decision was taken. The general election was only a few months before .....Charles said:
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You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
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Perhaps HMG hasn't heard of document scanners? Blimey...TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.0 -
True , However the policy in regard to document retention should be .In the Police , the heads of departments would sign it off.Also in today's world any document destroyed would be scanned and linked to a reference number.Nevertheless previously the storage of old paper records was lamentable .Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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These are the people that want to read your WhatsApp messagesRobD said:
Perhaps HMG hasn't heard of document scanners? Blimey...TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.0 -
A Tory candidate shouldn't go to a rally organised by Tommy Robinson.Charles said:
“Defending the crusades” is now thought crime? His rationale for the defence was ahistorical (aka bollocks) as I doubt he’s familiar with the argument that the Reconquista should be classified as a Crusade, but that doesn’t mean you can shut it down as an argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Tory candidate in Hoxton suspended for anti-Muslim posts on social media
Alexander van Terheyden went to a far-right rally and has defended the crusades
https://twitter.com/j_bloodworth/status/986234589294161920?s=21
I don't see anything in his stated opinions that is beyond the pale, though. In fact, several posters here make similar points.0 -
I understand government better than you. That’s much more important than the political w*nkery that excites you so muchTheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.0 -
On Salisbury the BBC and Sky are reporting that large areas of pavers and the grass in the park adjacent to the shops will have to be lifted and removed to ensure decontamination. This is far beyond what I would think anyone expected. In all there are 9 separate sites for decontamination0
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Have fun everyone. Bye for now.0
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It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
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If he could vote Prince William would probably be a LD like his father, indeed Charles likely agrees with Corbyn and the Greens on many environmental issues and scepticism of big corporations and US foreign policy. Harry is probably a Tory thoughold_labour said:Prince William is getting with the Corbyn future. Says he likes Nandos and talking issues of gender politics.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5624359/Prince-William-reveals-hes-fan-NANDOS.html0 -
I would be interested to know, nonetheless:-TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
- who gave the order for these records to be destroyed
- when
- the reason for the decision
- whether it was a default decision
- whether the decision was reviewed or escalated to any Minister shortly before destruction.
Perhaps some MP or journalist might make such inquiries rather than emoting all the time. The facts are usually more useful and interesting than the products of fevered and partisan imaginations.0 -
This is a political betting site.Charles said:
I understand government better than you. That’s much more important than the political w*nkery that excites you so muchTheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
It is the sort of thing that does excite.
Or do you think Amber Rudd moving from 33/1 to 6/1 as next out of the cabinet shouldn’t be discussed?0 -
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.0 -
Indeed.Cyclefree said:
I would be interested to know, nonetheless:-TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
- who gave the order for these records to be destroyed
- when
- the reason for the decision
- whether it was a default decision
- whether the decision was reviewed or escalated to any Minister shortly before destruction.
Perhaps some MP or journalist might make such inquiries rather than emoting all the time. The facts are usually more useful and interesting than the products of fevered and partisan imaginations.
I’m no fan of Rudd, but calls for her to resign seem rather stupid.
Again though, we are relying on the media, too busy hatching click bait to worry about the detail - and the Opposition, who prefers to give succour to our enemies.0 -
I presume it was the Home Office Records Manager or Archivist as I work in that field but it should have been agreed with the owner of the records beforehand and any statutory rate room time in accordance with the Home Office retention scheduleCyclefree said:
I would be interested to know, nonetheless:-TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
- who gave the order for these records to be destroyed
- when
- the reason for the decision
- whether it was a default decision
- whether the decision was reviewed or escalated to any Minister shortly before destruction.
Perhaps some MP or journalist might make such inquiries rather than emoting all the time. The facts are usually more useful and interesting than the products of fevered and partisan imaginations.0 -
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
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Cyclefree said:
I would be interested to know, nonetheless:-TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
- who gave the order for these records to be destroyed
- when
- the reason for the decision
- whether it was a default decision
- whether the decision was reviewed or escalated to any Minister shortly before destruction.
Perhaps some MP or journalist might make such inquiries rather than emoting all the time. The facts are usually more useful and interesting than the products of fevered and partisan imaginations.
Most departments should have a destruction policy.Surprised if recent they were not scanned and linked on their computer systems.For example a Police Murder Enquiry would have a keep order for 100 years .0 -
Corbyn loses again - 317 - 2560
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Big g if this goes on and gets worse Surely there will be calls for England not to participate in the world cup in Russia in June this year.Big_G_NorthWales said:On Salisbury the BBC and Sky are reporting that large areas of pavers and the grass in the park adjacent to the shops will have to be lifted and removed to ensure decontamination. This is far beyond what I would think anyone expected. In all there are 9 separate sites for decontamination
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Agreed. And quoting articles from Gates of Vienna a little dubious as well.Sean_F said:
A Tory candidate shouldn't go to a rally organised by Tommy Robinson.Charles said:
“Defending the crusades” is now thought crime? His rationale for the defence was ahistorical (aka bollocks) as I doubt he’s familiar with the argument that the Reconquista should be classified as a Crusade, but that doesn’t mean you can shut it down as an argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Tory candidate in Hoxton suspended for anti-Muslim posts on social media
Alexander van Terheyden went to a far-right rally and has defended the crusades
https://twitter.com/j_bloodworth/status/986234589294161920?s=21
I don't see anything in his stated opinions that is beyond the pale, though. In fact, several posters here make similar points.0 -
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
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Who the fuck signed this off?
‘Deportation is not a sentence or punishment but a second chance to build a new life and make a meaningful contribution to build the nation.’
From govt 'coming home to Jamaica' booklet.0 -
You seem to have more of a personal chip on your shoulder where it comes to May. I suspect you have seen your hopes of preferment dashed with Osborne’s fall from graceTheScreamingEagles said:
This is a political betting site.Charles said:
I understand government better than you. That’s much more important than the political w*nkery that excites you so muchTheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
It is the sort of thing that does excite.
Or do you think Amber Rudd moving from 33/1 to 6/1 as next out of the cabinet shouldn’t be discussed?0 -
We are one of the most densely populated nations in the world, people are complaining about too high demand for housing pushing up house prices and putting pressure on the greenbelt etc.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
In some respects we need more emigrants not immigrants, there is a reason the largest destination for UK emigrants is Australia, it is one of the least densely populated nations in the world with better weather0 -
A lot of the older immigration docs are made available online via the National Archives. If these were the ONLY COPY IN EXISTENCE this is a waste for more reasons than one.Yorkcity said:Cyclefree said:
I would be interested to know, nonetheless:-TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:...
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
- who gave the order for these records to be destroyed
- when
- the reason for the decision
- whether it was a default decision
- whether the decision was reviewed or escalated to any Minister shortly before destruction.
Perhaps some MP or journalist might make such inquiries rather than emoting all the time. The facts are usually more useful and interesting than the products of fevered and partisan imaginations.
Most departments should have a destruction policy.Surprised if recent they were not scanned and linked on their computer systems.For example a Police Murder Enquiry would have a keep order for 100 years .0 -
It must be possible - indeed I find it difficult to jusify being there but having a lifetime of following football I can understand why supporters want to go.Yorkcity said:
Big g if this goes on and gets worse Surely there will be calls for England not to participate in the world cup in Russia in June this year.Big_G_NorthWales said:On Salisbury the BBC and Sky are reporting that large areas of pavers and the grass in the park adjacent to the shops will have to be lifted and removed to ensure decontamination. This is far beyond what I would think anyone expected. In all there are 9 separate sites for decontamination
They are talking of taking to Christmas and goodness knows what happens to the businesses0 -
GuffGardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.0 -
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”0 -
-Looks on Wikipedia-MarqueeMark said:
Derbyshire votes "wazzock".Nigelb said:
No, you were right. Yorkshire and Lancashire agree on the point, so it must be correct.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've always spelt it as 'wazzock'RochdalePioneers said:Question - why are Labour MPs being whipped to vote against our own emergency debate motion?
Answer - because Corbyn is a wassock
I'm so confused now.
(I think 'wassock' is some Midland dialect... and autocorrect tries to change it to cassock.)
-Derbyshire constituencies almost evenly split between Conservative and Labour-
Fair enough. Some might think you're being harsh on the Big Two parties, but I can see where you're coming from.0 -
He spent years kissing the wrong butt and cant move onCharles said:
You seem to have more of a personal chip on your shoulder where it comes to May. I suspect you have seen your hopes of preferment dashed with Osborne’s fall from graceTheScreamingEagles said:
This is a political betting site.Charles said:
I understand government better than you. That’s much more important than the political w*nkery that excites you so muchTheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.
It is the sort of thing that does excite.
Or do you think Amber Rudd moving from 33/1 to 6/1 as next out of the cabinet shouldn’t be discussed?0 -
Another Pb Tory with his head in the sand.Alanbrooke said:
GuffGardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.0 -
When I had to deal with the Immigration Service , in a professional capacity.They did not fill me full of confidence.RobD said:
Perhaps HMG hasn't heard of document scanners? Blimey...TheScreamingEagles said:
You don’t understand how the world of politics works do you?Charles said:
Desperate to blame her aren’t you?TheScreamingEagles said:The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.
A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.
Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.
The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents.
The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was Home Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Document retention decisions would get nowhere near a minister
Perceptions matter more than the facts on occasion.
It happened on her watch.0 -
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”0 -
Nah, I care about my country and my party, and Mrs May is proving to be a piss poor steward of both.Charles said:
You seem to have more of a personal chip on your shoulder where it comes to May. I suspect you have seen your hopes of preferment dashed with Osborne’s fall from grace
But interesting that you couldn't rebut me on the substance of my posts but decided to play the man not the ball.
Quite frankly I never had any expectations of preferment, I really don't fancy working/living in London again, plus I couldn't afford the pay cut working on a government salary.
Shoes aren't cheap nor is the rest of my wardrobe.0 -
Anti Semitism debate live now0
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Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.0 -
Well I suppose that's progress of sorts normally you default to calling everyone a kipperGardenwalker said:
Another Pb Tory with his head in the sand.Alanbrooke said:
GuffGardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.0 -
I am not one of themGardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.0 -
This is getting highly chargedBig_G_NorthWales said:Anti Semitism debate live now
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Callous incompetence and obstruction for the sake of it are features, not bugs of the UK immigration "service". That's the key thing to understand. Mrs May's involvement was and remains to make it even more impossible to deal with.0
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No, Big G. You are not. You’ve been a very honest broker these past few days and your instinct on both Windrush and Corbyn has been faultless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not one of themGardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.
You’re keeping the whole site together half the time.0 -
Nope. Only Tyndall. And he admits it.Alanbrooke said:
Well I suppose that's progress of sorts normally you default to calling everyone a kipperGardenwalker said:
Another Pb Tory with his head in the sand.Alanbrooke said:
GuffGardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
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That is a very kind comment - thank youGardenwalker said:
No, Big G. You are not. You’ve been a very honest broker these past few days and your instinct on both Windrush and Corbyn has been faultless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not one of themGardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.
You’re keeping the whole site together half the time.0 -
maybe if people like yourself stopped scare mongering on everything and let the process sort itself out migrants would sleep easier. Winding people up for the sake of it rarely leads to chillaxing.Gardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.0 -
I see redundancies in the Dec-Feb quarter were at their lowest level for this period and the sixth lowest on record.
Page 10 of the linked spreadsheet:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/summaryoflabourmarketstatistics
Now the much reported retail apocalypse might still be working itself through the system but so far doesn't seem to be having a noticeable effect on employment0 -
I am the same as you as a football supporter , totally understand they want to go to a world cup.However if this goes on and on , it will have the feel of a previous English team in 1938.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3128202.stmBig_G_NorthWales said:
It must be possible - indeed I find it difficult to jusify being there but having a lifetime of following football I can understand why supporters want to go.Yorkcity said:
Big g if this goes on and gets worse Surely there will be calls for England not to participate in the world cup in Russia in June this year.Big_G_NorthWales said:On Salisbury the BBC and Sky are reporting that large areas of pavers and the grass in the park adjacent to the shops will have to be lifted and removed to ensure decontamination. This is far beyond what I would think anyone expected. In all there are 9 separate sites for decontamination
They are talking of taking to Christmas and goodness knows what happens to the businesses0 -
Can I praise one bit of government. I received my VAT refund - following my first VAT return (yay!) - within a week of filing. Most impressive. And welcome.0
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Two years ago:
' The threat of a potential vote to leave the EU in June could be partly to blame for the first rise in unemployment in seven months, the work and pensions secretary has warned.
Stephen Crabb said the latest labour report, which showed the unemployment total rose by 21,000 in the three months to February to 1.7 million, was a signal that the looming EU referendum vote was hitting the jobs market. '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rises-and-pay-growth-falls
Today unemployment is down to 1.4 million.0 -
You quoted an article which was broadly interesting background but highlighted one comment that - while factually accurate - was irrelevant to the detail. Purely, in my view, in an attempt to apportion blame. I’m not sure what other substance there was.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, I care about my country and my party, and Mrs May is proving to be a piss poor steward of both.Charles said:
You seem to have more of a personal chip on your shoulder where it comes to May. I suspect you have seen your hopes of preferment dashed with Osborne’s fall from grace
But interesting that you couldn't rebut me on the substance of my posts but decided to play the man not the ball.
Quite frankly I never had any expectations of preferment, I really don't fancy working/living in London again, plus I couldn't afford the pay cut working on a government salary.
Shoes aren't cheap nor is the rest of my wardrobe.
As for country she seems to be navigating towards an ok outcome in Brexit. My view has always been - and remains - that there will be a lot of guff in public but in the background serious folks will work towards a sensible outcome.
On the party she’s managing it ok especially given the times.
Her big failure was clearly the election, which showed up her weaknesses and (sadly) has probably resulted in some interesting policies being unsellable in future. But she will pay for it with her job in due course.
And Osborne has proved himself a petty minded individual by his conduct.0 -
Who is scaremongering?Alanbrooke said:
maybe if people like yourself stopped scare mongering on everything and let the process sort itself out migrants would sleep easier. Winding people up for the sake of it rarely leads to chillaxing.Gardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.
The government has consistently failed to reassure migrants to this country and in fact has seldom missed a chance to disturb them.
I like this country because, by and large, it is tolerant. Sadly, Brexit (via a whole range of actors and effects) turned the dial in the other direction and the government has never bothered to think about what that means to many people in this country, not to mention perceptions abroad.0 -
Mr Big G is the sort of Conservative who gives them their good name and of whom we need more. Ready to call out his own party, willing to give credit to others and fundamentally decent.Gardenwalker said:
No, Big G. You are not. You’ve been a very honest broker these past few days and your instinct on both Windrush and Corbyn has been faultless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not one of themGardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.
You’re keeping the whole site together half the time.
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You are so kindCyclefree said:
Mr Big G is the sort of Conservative who gives them their good name and of whom we need more. Ready to call out his own party, willing to give credit to others and fundamentally decent.Gardenwalker said:
No, Big G. You are not. You’ve been a very honest broker these past few days and your instinct on both Windrush and Corbyn has been faultless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not one of themGardenwalker said:
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that many on here who now profess to be disturbed by Windrush have spent the last few years denying the lived reality of migrants to this country, especially since Brexit.Sean_F said:
I'll leave the emoting to you. You like it.Gardenwalker said:
Well time to give your flabby white man breasts a paddle, because Windrush stinks.Sean_F said:
I don't feel the need to beat my breast about what a horrible country this is.Gardenwalker said:
Typical little England complacency.Sean_F said:
Yet, over the past few years, people have continued to emigrate here in large numbers, so there must be something attractive about living here.Gardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
Just one logical step from, “piss off home if you don’t like it.”
It’s no fun to have your state-hood under threat.
You’re keeping the whole site together half the time.0 -
Labour turning on Livingstone0
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Wow.
Labour literally tearing itself apart in parliament by looks of it.
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Did Project Fear get any prediction right?another_richard said:Two years ago:
' The threat of a potential vote to leave the EU in June could be partly to blame for the first rise in unemployment in seven months, the work and pensions secretary has warned.
Stephen Crabb said the latest labour report, which showed the unemployment total rose by 21,000 in the three months to February to 1.7 million, was a signal that the looming EU referendum vote was hitting the jobs market. '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rises-and-pay-growth-falls
Today unemployment is down to 1.4 million.0 -
An article by Lord Ashcroft of Polls
"Brexit Britain won’t forget its old friends"
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2018/04/brexit-britain-wont-forget-old-friends/
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I've not been a Kipper since July 2016. But then I certainly wouldn't be a Tory either.Gardenwalker said:
Nope. Only Tyndall. And he admits it.Alanbrooke said:
Well I suppose that's progress of sorts normally you default to calling everyone a kipperGardenwalker said:
Another Pb Tory with his head in the sand.Alanbrooke said:
GuffGardenwalker said:It is heartening to see the widespread public revulsion in reaction to the Windrush scandal - a revulsion that cuts across age and party affiliation.
But think, ye PB Brexiters, what it has felt like these past few years to be a non British born migrant. Or, one married to a non British born spouse.
*Would you trust the British government to look after you and your family?*
Brexit remains the canker in the rose.
And on the Windrush issue it just confirms to me both how bad a PM May is and how idiotic our immigration rules are.
But then I am in a tiny minority that opposes limits on migration anyway.0 -
"Those who deny the holocaust need calling out" - Gwynne.
So why doesn't or didn't Corbyn when he read exactly that view on his precious Facebook groups?
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