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Makes my 22 look pathetic.Alistair said:Some lucky person managed to get 4 quid on Gavin Williamson @ 600 for next Con leader
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Lock up your sons and daughters:
http://www.ntd.tv/2017/11/07/kevin-spacey-attending-same-rehab-clinic-as-harvey-weinstein/0 -
@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KakistocracyScott_P said:@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...0 -
Step down, not a step up.JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
Mr. P, it's ridiculous. Merit should be what counts. Zhuge Liang criticised leaders who find jobs for people rather than people for jobs.0
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I was reading somewhere the other day that there is growing concern that group therapy in these kinds of settings can lead to a 'normalisation' affect for immoral behaviour.Pulpstar said:Lock up your sons and daughters:
http://www.ntd.tv/2017/11/07/kevin-spacey-attending-same-rehab-clinic-as-harvey-weinstein/0 -
The trouble with that approach is you just end up, as PM, dealing with another mess six or so months later.Scott_P said:@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...0 -
Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.0 -
Of course not. A belief in the articles of the Brexit faith is all that is required in today's Tory cult.Scott_P said:@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...0 -
As a computer scientist, on my blacker days, I am starting to wonder whether my discipline's invention of internet and web and so on, has not been a f***ing disaster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.0 -
It’s the Hollywood way, medicalising deviant behaviour in an attempt to garner public sympathy. Certain names mentioned in recent weeks need to be in prison rather than in rehab.rottenborough said:
I was reading somewhere the other day that there is growing concern that group therapy in these kinds of settings can lead to a 'normalisation' affect for immoral behaviour.Pulpstar said:Lock up your sons and daughters:
http://www.ntd.tv/2017/11/07/kevin-spacey-attending-same-rehab-clinic-as-harvey-weinstein/0 -
So IDS backed Penny at good odds this morning then?Scott_P said:@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...0 -
In other news, the Canary may be entering a coal mine full of gas:
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/9282899853165076480 -
This essay of a couple of days ago shows how it is all going wrong, and will continue to go wronger.rottenborough said:
As a computer scientist, on my blacker days, I am starting to wonder whether my discipline's invention of internet and web and so on, has not been a f***ing disaster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.
Someone or something or some combination of people and things is using YouTube to systematically frighten, traumatise, and abuse children, automatically and at scale, and it forces me to question my own beliefs about the internet, at every level
https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2
Its a little overblown and non-technical, but it makes you wonder.
Happily I live in a place with no where near enough bandwidth to support Youtube so my kids take the unusual approach of reading, drawing, swimming and (sharp intake of breath) going out to play.0 -
I agree. Whilst in some ways the internet has been a great leveller it is also one heck of an echo chamber for the "braver" keyboard warriors.rottenborough said:
As a computer scientist, on my blacker days, I am starting to wonder whether my discipline's invention of internet and web and so on, has not been a f***ing disaster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.
I think I would rather go back to reading Knuth or Wirth and writing search algorithms for B-Trees to minimise index-height on database searches. There was something theraputic about it....0 -
Presumably the law is working in parallel whilst they attend these clinics? It's all allegations so far iirc.Sandpit said:
It’s the Hollywood way, medicalising deviant behaviour in an attempt to garner public sympathy. Certain names mentioned in recent weeks need to be in prison rather than in rehab.rottenborough said:
I was reading somewhere the other day that there is growing concern that group therapy in these kinds of settings can lead to a 'normalisation' affect for immoral behaviour.Pulpstar said:Lock up your sons and daughters:
http://www.ntd.tv/2017/11/07/kevin-spacey-attending-same-rehab-clinic-as-harvey-weinstein/0 -
I notice she's "always working". Presumably even on holiday?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Political Purity is all that matters to the ideologues. Reality matters not at all.Sandpit said:
So IDS backed Penny at good odds this morning then?Scott_P said:@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...
The stunning worldwide success of Marxism was based on the same principle ...0 -
Mr. Borough, the internet's neither good nor bad, just powerful.
The long-term psychological and social impact of it will be difficult to tease out, though.
Mrs C, in the olden days (the 1990s) someone being a dick in a pub would get told to shut up by the other 20-30 patrons, and have little heed paid to them. But dicks online find it easy to discover one another and form noisy groups that can relentlessly bark on and drown out more moderate voices.
Well, that's my theory anyway. Also worth noting there are many good points about the internet too.0 -
Chapeau!Charles said:
I notice she's "always working". Presumably even on holiday?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Clearly Mrs May doesn't discriminate on grounds of ability when selecting her cabinet.0
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I wonder if Theresa May might shift Patel sideways rather than dismissing her altogether.0
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How I miss Pascal. Sigh.Beverley_C said:
I agree. Whilst in some ways the internet has been a great leveller it is also one heck of an echo chamber for the "braver" keyboard warriors.rottenborough said:
As a computer scientist, on my blacker days, I am starting to wonder whether my discipline's invention of internet and web and so on, has not been a f***ing disaster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.
I think I would rather go back to reading Knuth or Wirth and writing search algorithms for B-Trees to minimise index-height on database searches. There was something theraputic about it....0 -
Hope so! NYPD say they have enough evidence to arrest Weinstein for rape, so that may happen soon. Police in London are investigating complaints about Spacey, but unlike in the US we’re not going to get a running commentary from them.rottenborough said:
Presumably the law is working in parallel whilst they attend these clinics? It's all allegations so far iirc.Sandpit said:
It’s the Hollywood way, medicalising deviant behaviour in an attempt to garner public sympathy. Certain names mentioned in recent weeks need to be in prison rather than in rehab.rottenborough said:
I was reading somewhere the other day that there is growing concern that group therapy in these kinds of settings can lead to a 'normalisation' affect for immoral behaviour.Pulpstar said:Lock up your sons and daughters:
http://www.ntd.tv/2017/11/07/kevin-spacey-attending-same-rehab-clinic-as-harvey-weinstein/0 -
This government is stepping up the rate but hoping for such offers daily is pushing it!rottenborough said:
Good point!crandles said:
Where can I get an account paying 3% per *****day******?rottenborough said:BF now paying less than many bank current accounts on Priti being next out.
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Nobody should give a fig what IDS has to say.Scott_P said:@matt_dathan: Iain Duncan Smith says Priti Patel's replacement should be a female Brexiteer
Competence not a factor...
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Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.0 -
Oh yes!rottenborough said:
How I miss Pascal. Sigh.Beverley_C said:
I agree. Whilst in some ways the internet has been a great leveller it is also one heck of an echo chamber for the "braver" keyboard warriors.rottenborough said:
As a computer scientist, on my blacker days, I am starting to wonder whether my discipline's invention of internet and web and so on, has not been a f***ing disaster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.
I think I would rather go back to reading Knuth or Wirth and writing search algorithms for B-Trees to minimise index-height on database searches. There was something theraputic about it....
program Brexit ( output );
begin
writeln ('Goodbye common sense');
end.
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Has she arrived at Downing Street yet?0
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One to remember when Labour win the next GE by under 4%.logical_song said:The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
"No Mr Corbyn, you can't nationalise the Royal Mail, the public didn't vote for Labour, they tentatively suggested it by under 4%."
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http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!0 -
Northern Ireland.Pulpstar said:
What is sideways from DfID though ?AndyJS said:I wonder if Theresa May might shift Patel sideways rather than dismissing her altogether.
DCMS, party chair, Immigration...
It would be amusing for a Brexiteer to be sent there and sort out that very simple project fear problem of the Irish border.0 -
Actually even better.
The Papist JRM as Northern Ireland Secretary is an awesome idea.0 -
AndyJS said:
I wonder if Theresa May might shift Patel sideways rather than dismissing her altogether.
Shift her sideways? Like out the window?
TMay might be tempted, but she probably better not.
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Just give me the facts.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
It was quite close, so not really a 'command' from the people.0 -
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!0 -
Dismissal, Czech style. They even have a word for it: defenestraceMarkHopkins said:AndyJS said:I wonder if Theresa May might shift Patel sideways rather than dismissing her altogether.
Shift her sideways? Like out the window?
TMay might be tempted, but she probably better not.0 -
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?logical_song said:
Just give me the facts.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
It was quite close, so not really a 'command' from the people.0 -
It would be perfectly valid to oppose such a nationalisation.AlsoIndigo said:
One to remember when Labour win the next GE by under 4%.logical_song said:The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
"No Mr Corbyn, you can't nationalise the Royal Mail, the public didn't vote for Labour, they tentatively suggested it by under 4%."0 -
Unionists for Jacob!!TheScreamingEagles said:Actually even better.
The Papist JRM as Northern Ireland Secretary is an awesome idea.0 -
Nah, they commanded it. They didn't specify what it looked like, though.logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.0 -
In what way does that follow?Sunil_Prasannan said:
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?logical_song said:
Just give me the facts.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
It was quite close, so not really a 'command' from the people.0 -
On the understanding that the UK could have the exact same benefits, £350m per week for the NHS, free owls and a silver unicorn on every street corner.logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.0 -
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?IanB2 said:
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
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And when do we want them? NOW!CarlottaVance said:What the EU Parliament wants on Citizens rights:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20171108IPR87615/brexit-ep-outlines-its-red-lines-on-latest-uk-citizens-rights-proposals0 -
logical_song said:
In what way does that follow?Sunil_Prasannan said:
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?logical_song said:
Just give me the facts.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
It was quite close, so not really a 'command' from the people. 0 -
I think you are missing the point.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?IanB2 said:
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!0 -
Beverley_C said:
Oh yes!rottenborough said:
How I miss Pascal. Sigh.Beverley_C said:
I agree. Whilst in some ways the internet has been a great leveller it is also one heck of an echo chamber for the "braver" keyboard warriors.rottenborough said:
As a computer scientist, on my blacker days, I am starting to wonder whether my discipline's invention of internet and web and so on, has not been a f***ing disaster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Borough, that's probably also an effect (at the extreme end) of social media echo chambers, in darker settings than is usual.
Which makes me wonder if the echo chamber has the general impact of thinning the moderate centre and driving people more and more to extreme positions that they would otherwise not have adopted.
I think I would rather go back to reading Knuth or Wirth and writing search algorithms for B-Trees to minimise index-height on database searches. There was something theraputic about it....
program Brexit ( output );
begin
writeln ('Goodbye common sense');
end.
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Quite. They won, but it wasn't a landslide. The people may have spoken but not very loudly. I wouldn't describe it as a 'command'.IanB2 said:
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!0 -
So when Parliament passed the Televising of Parliament Bill (1990) on the casting vote of Deputy Speaker Weatherill that was more of a suggestion than a law ?logical_song said:
Just give me the facts.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
It was quite close, so not really a 'command' from the people.0 -
Why? The 1997 Welsh referendum was 50.3% YES, 49.7% NO, much tighter than EURef.IanB2 said:
I think you are missing the point.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?IanB2 said:
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
By your logic, we should not have invoked a Welsh Assembly in 1999.0 -
Really?AlsoIndigo said:
So when Parliament passed the Televising of Parliament Bill (1990) on the casting vote of Deputy Speaker Weatherill that was more of a suggestion than a law ?logical_song said:
Just give me the facts.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
It was quite close, so not really a 'command' from the people.
I thought the casting vote was always a vote for the status quo on the grounds the proponents hadn't convinced the house of the case for change?0 -
Yes it would be awesome, but how would Mrs Foster react?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually even better.
The Papist JRM as Northern Ireland Secretary is an awesome idea.0 -
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class voteanothernick said:
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.HYUFD said:
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.FF43 said:
All our choices are non-starters. Which is why Theresa May rejected them all in her Florence speech. We have to pick one. The PTA is at least as problematic as the others. Once those problems become clearer there will be pressure to do something different. From where I see it, the EEA is the least difficult of those options. I should stress it isn't MY choice. Getting less than what we had as a members and removing all formal influence over what happens to us makes no sense to me. But we are where we are. We have to make the best of it.HYUFD said:The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
If the Conservatives won't implement EEA, Jeremy Corbyn will, closet Brexiteer or no.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.0 -
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Surely Surrey County Council has its own Cabinet nowadays?JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
"Cambridge students ‘horrified’ by hard work claims Professor Eugene Terentjev"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cambridge-students-horrified-by-hard-work-claims-professor-eugene-terentjev-7t9f8jt6l0 -
I invite most PB'ers to skip this post, but here it is for you, Sunil, nice and clear:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Why? The 1997 Welsh referendum was 50.3% YES, 49.7% NO, much tighter than EURef.IanB2 said:
I think you are missing the point.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?IanB2 said:
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
By your logic, we should not have invoked a Welsh Assembly in 1999.
Scenario 1: everyone in Wales except Person A votes for the Assembly, a majority of 99.99...% surpassing even Albanian norms. After a while Person A says the Assembly isn't a good idea and starts a campaign against it.
Scenario 2: the vote for the Assembly goes through by a single vote. After a while Person B, who voted for it, says it isn't a good idea and s/he has changed their mind, and starts a campaign against it.
Self evidently Person B and their arguments are going to be taken a lot more seriously and credibly than Person A, who will probably become a figure of fun.
Every other result lies on a continuum between Scenarios 1 and 2.0 -
Tim Hugo has been in the legislature for 15 years and his previous victories have beenAlistair said:Year - margin 2002 - 37 2003 - Unopposed 2005 - Unopposed 2007 - 25 2009 - 27 2011 - 48 2013 - 20 2015 - 21 2017 - -0.2
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Cambridge is a doss.AndyJS said:"Cambridge students ‘horrified’ by hard work claims Professor Eugene Terentjev"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cambridge-students-horrified-by-hard-work-claims-professor-eugene-terentjev-7t9f8jt6l0 -
Pale imitation of the real thing. Still no call he reports disconsolately.HYUFD said:
Surely Surrey County Council has its own Cabinet nowadays?JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
You're better off where you are. Suppose the call came and you were asked to implement Brexit with David Davis. What then? You can do more good where you are.JohnO said:
Pale imitation of the real thing. Still no call he reports disconsolately.HYUFD said:
Surely Surrey County Council has its own Cabinet nowadays?JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
Has Theresa forgiven her for the leather trousers incident?TGOHF said:
On that note the Speccie suggests Nicky Morgan...rottenborough said:
Yeh, we don't want anyone capable around the Cabinet table do we...TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
Gets her out of the committee where she can do harm.foxinsoxuk said:
Has Theresa forgiven her for the leather trousers incident?TGOHF said:
On that note the Speccie suggests Nicky Morgan...rottenborough said:
Yeh, we don't want anyone capable around the Cabinet table do we...TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
Quite some swing. Next years mid terms look grisly for the Republicans.Alistair said:
Tim Hugo has been in the legislature for 15 years and his previous victories have beenAlistair said:Year - margin 2002 - 37 2003 - Unopposed 2005 - Unopposed 2007 - 25 2009 - 27 2011 - 48 2013 - 20 2015 - 21 2017 - -0.2
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28.5% sounds like a nice juicy pay rise:
"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike
Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
http://news.sky.com/story/southern-railway-drivers-vote-to-end-long-running-strike-111185460 -
That’s the stuff of nightmares. Hero of Hersham I shall remain.Jonathan said:
You're better off where you are. Suppose the call came and you were asked to implement Brexit with David Davis. What then? You can do more good where you are.JohnO said:
Pale imitation of the real thing. Still no call he reports disconsolately.HYUFD said:
Surely Surrey County Council has its own Cabinet nowadays?JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.0 -
Don't take offence, but I can think of achievements more heroic than getting elected to Surrey County Council as a Conservative...JohnO said:
That’s the stuff of nightmares. Hero of a Hersham I shall remain.Jonathan said:
You're better off where you are. Suppose the call came and you were asked to implement Brexit with David Davis. What then? You can do more good where you are.JohnO said:
Pale imitation of the real thing. Still no call he reports disconsolately.HYUFD said:
Surely Surrey County Council has its own Cabinet nowadays?JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Now, maybe if you had pressed ahead and increased your council tax by 15% and then got elected, you might have a point.
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You LibDems are just too intense for your own good.IanB2 said:
Don't take offence, but I can think of achievements more heroic than getting elected to Surrey County Council as a Conservative...JohnO said:
That’s the stuff of nightmares. Hero of a Hersham I shall remain.Jonathan said:
You're better off where you are. Suppose the call came and you were asked to implement Brexit with David Davis. What then? You can do more good where you are.JohnO said:
Pale imitation of the real thing. Still no call he reports disconsolately.HYUFD said:
Surely Surrey County Council has its own Cabinet nowadays?JohnO said:
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.Jonathan said:
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?JohnO said:
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!tpfkar said:
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.JohnO said:
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?TheScreamingEagles said:
More likely Penny Mordurant.JohnO said:Rory Stewart for Dfid?
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Now, maybe if you had pressed ahead and increased your council tax by 15% and then got elected, you might have a point.0 -
End of DOO?AndyJS said:28.5% sounds like a nice juicy pay rise:
"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike
Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
http://news.sky.com/story/southern-railway-drivers-vote-to-end-long-running-strike-111185460 -
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What were Shadys odds on Villiers for DfiD? Press Assoc have her in a list of riders and runners and she is Brexiteer.0
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They turned down £70k a couple of months ago, so can only assume that this offer is an improvement on that. Bonkers money for the job, and will mean everyone’s fares go up to pay for it.AndyJS said:28.5% sounds like a nice juicy pay rise:
"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike
Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
http://news.sky.com/story/southern-railway-drivers-vote-to-end-long-running-strike-111185460 -
That's 5.1% a year. I averaged 7% a year in my first job.AndyJS said:28.5% sounds like a nice juicy pay rise:
"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike
Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
http://news.sky.com/story/southern-railway-drivers-vote-to-end-long-running-strike-111185460 -
They've given up the guard point though, which is more important.Sandpit said:
They turned down £70k a couple of months ago, so can only assume that this offer is an improvement on that. Bonkers money for the job, and will mean everyone’s fares go up to pay for it.AndyJS said:28.5% sounds like a nice juicy pay rise:
"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike
Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
http://news.sky.com/story/southern-railway-drivers-vote-to-end-long-running-strike-11118546
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Next con leader market is mental.
£51 quid was matched on Ruth Davidson at evens! Who on earth would back that?0 -
Perhaps the poppy is quite ordinary, and he's just very small indeed ?TheScreamingEagles said:Someone's overcompensating
https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/928246919272509442
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The other close result I listed was Quebec 1995 - "NO (to Independence)" won by 1.2%, again, a tighter margin than EURef.IanB2 said:
I invite most PB'ers to skip this post, but here it is for you, Sunil, nice and clear:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Why? The 1997 Welsh referendum was 50.3% YES, 49.7% NO, much tighter than EURef.IanB2 said:
I think you are missing the point.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?IanB2 said:
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/logical_song said:Never mind fake news, this is fake government
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/never-mind-fake-news-this-is-fake-government/
contains this quote: "This is not Watergate, of course, and Brexit must happen because that is what the people have commanded."
The people didn't command it they tentatively suggested it by under 4%.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
By your logic, we should not have invoked a Welsh Assembly in 1999.
Scenario 1: everyone in Wales except Person A votes for the Assembly, a majority of 99.99...% surpassing even Albanian norms. After a while Person A says the Assembly isn't a good idea and starts a campaign against it.
Scenario 2: the vote for the Assembly goes through by a single vote. After a while Person B, who voted for it, says it isn't a good idea and s/he has changed their mind, and starts a campaign against it.
Self evidently Person B and their arguments are going to be taken a lot more seriously and credibly than Person A, who will probably become a figure of fun.
Every other result lies on a continuum between Scenarios 1 and 2.0 -
Is this the most public walk of shame ever?
https://twitter.com/Angry_Voice/status/9282891384864563200 -
A Corbyn victory is likely to hugely reduce net immigration. It might even go negative. Much of the WWC will be happy with that and controls will not be needed.HYUFD said:
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class voteanothernick said:
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.HYUFD said:
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.FF43 said:
All our choices are non-starters. Which is why Theresa May rejected them all in her Florence speech. We have to pick one. The PTA is at least as problematic as the others. Once those problems become clearer there will be pressure to do something different. From where I see it, the EEA is the least difficult of those options. I should stress it isn't MY choice. Getting less than what we had as a members and removing all formal influence over what happens to us makes no sense to me. But we are where we are. We have to make the best of it.HYUFD said:The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
If the Conservatives won't implement EEA, Jeremy Corbyn will, closet Brexiteer or no.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.0 -
Didn't TSE and Nick Griffin go to Cambridge?Jonathan said:
Cambridge is a doss.AndyJS said:"Cambridge students ‘horrified’ by hard work claims Professor Eugene Terentjev"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cambridge-students-horrified-by-hard-work-claims-professor-eugene-terentjev-7t9f8jt6l
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He beat me to the OJ Simpson referencefoxinsoxuk said:Is this the most public walk of shame ever?
https://twitter.com/Angry_Voice/status/928289138486456320 0 -
Mr. B, if he's that small, Labour must like him. They think being a Borrower is great 0
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One licence fee a minute for that helicopter...foxinsoxuk said:Is this the most public walk of shame ever?
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I picked the wrong day to give up trainspottingSandpit said:
They turned down £70k a couple of months ago, so can only assume that this offer is an improvement on that. Bonkers money for the job, and will mean everyone’s fares go up to pay for it.AndyJS said:28.5% sounds like a nice juicy pay rise:
"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike
Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
http://news.sky.com/story/southern-railway-drivers-vote-to-end-long-running-strike-11118546
(only kidding - just by chance, saw a brand new Hitachi Class 800 pass through Willesden high level this afternoon).0 -
That is tremendous.TheScreamingEagles said:Actually even better.
The Papist JRM as Northern Ireland Secretary is an awesome idea.
Downing St.... "the Prime Minister is beginning to get the hang of this trolling thing..."
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Someone move her to DCMS, must be time to review the BBC Charter againfoxinsoxuk said:Is this the most public walk of shame ever?
ttps://twitter.com/Angry_Voice/status/928289138486456320
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If the economy crashes yes through Corbynite tax and spend and nationalise yes, though that might leave Labour with a few other problems as wellHHemmelig said:
A Corbyn victory is likely to hugely reduce net immigration. It might even go negative. Much of the WWC will be happy with that and controls will not be needed.HYUFD said:
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class voteanothernick said:
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.HYUFD said:
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.FF43 said:
All our choices are non-starters. Which is why Theresa May rejected them all in her Florence speech. We have to pick one. The PTA is at least as problematic as the others. Once those problems become clearer there will be pressure to do something different. From where I see it, the EEA is the least difficult of those options. I should stress it isn't MY choice. Getting less than what we had as a members and removing all formal influence over what happens to us makes no sense to me. But we are where we are. We have to make the best of it.HYUFD said:The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
If the Conservatives won't implement EEA, Jeremy Corbyn will, closet Brexiteer or no.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.0 -
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This morning a PBer suggested I should become PM, my first appointment would be the Moggster for Northern Ireland Secretary.Nigelb said:
That is tremendous.TheScreamingEagles said:Actually even better.
The Papist JRM as Northern Ireland Secretary is an awesome idea.
Downing St.... "the Prime Minister is beginning to get the hang of this trolling thing..."0 -
Still, evens is a bonkers price.MarqueeMark said:0
