"Southern Railway drivers vote to end long-running strike Drivers will receive a pay rise of 28.5% over the next five years and be joined on-board by a colleague with full safety training."
The unions are smart to settle. The trains into London are already feeling less busy as the economic downturn looms (I use Southern 2-3 times per week). The government will be in a stronger bargaining position in a year's time.
Panellists were banned from wearing poppies on the BBC's long-running show Have I Got News For You, it has been revealed. Guests appearing on the programme last Friday were told that they were not allowed on air if they wore a poppy, which critics described as an 'outrageous' move.
Panellists were banned from wearing poppies on the BBC's long-running show Have I Got News For You, it has been revealed. Guests appearing on the programme last Friday were told that they were not allowed on air if they wore a poppy, which critics described as an 'outrageous' move.
£51 quid was matched on Ruth Davidson at evens! Who on earth would back that?
Someone who doesn’t properly understand the rules of the contest?
Or someone who thinks there's some by-elections coming up....
In Scotland? There’s at least five ducks have to line up for that bet to come off, and every one of them should be more than evens. There’s also no indication that she wants to quit her current job.
"She [Priti] is going to be pretty angry if she is sacked and she could do some pretty hard damage to Downing Street. No 10 is being naive, the Prime Minister will create an even bigger problem for herself if she sacks Priti."
If Priti doesn't distance herself from that smartish, then May surely has no choice but to sack her. The Secretary of State for International Development can't make themselves unsackable.
The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
o.
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class vote
A Corbyn victory is likely to hugely reduce net immigration. It might even go negative. Much of the WWC will be happy with that and controls will not be needed.
If the economy crashes yes through Corbynite tax and spend and nationalise yes, though that might leave Labour with a few other problems as well
It would crash primarily for high-earners in the private sector and those with property portfolios - neither group being likely to vote for Corbyn in the first place.
His coalition of public sector workers, students, the low paid, ethnic groups and socialist WWC would be protected, for a while at least.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?
I think you are missing the point.
Why? The 1997 Welsh referendum was 50.3% YES, 49.7% NO, much tighter than EURef.
By your logic, we should not have invoked a Welsh Assembly in 1999.
I invite most PB'ers to skip this post, but here it is for you, Sunil, nice and clear:
Scenario 1: everyone in Wales except Person A votes for the Assembly, a majority of 99.99...% surpassing even Albanian norms. After a while Person A says the Assembly isn't a good idea and starts a campaign against it.
Scenario 2: the vote for the Assembly goes through by a single vote. After a while Person B, who voted for it, says it isn't a good idea and s/he has changed their mind, and starts a campaign against it.
Self evidently Person B and their arguments are going to be taken a lot more seriously and credibly than Person A, who will probably become a figure of fun.
Every other result lies on a continuum between Scenarios 1 and 2.
The other close result I listed was Quebec 1995 - "NO (to Independence)" won by 1.2%, again, a tighter margin than EURef.
And you'll find that the separatist campaign is still going, if under a number of different banners.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
Self evidently the strength of a mandate relates to its size, in the same way that a government with a big majority is taken more seriously and has a stronger mandate than one with a wafer thin one.
So would you abolish the Welsh Assembly then?
I think you are missing the point.
Why? The 1997 Welsh referendum was 50.3% YES, 49.7% NO, much tighter than EURef.
By your logic, we should not have invoked a Welsh Assembly in 1999.
I invite most PB'ers to skip this post, but here it is for you, Sunil, nice and clear:
Scenario 1: everyone in Wales except Person A votes for the Assembly, a majority of 99.99...% surpassing even Albanian norms. After a while Person A says the Assembly isn't a good idea and starts a campaign against it.
Scenario 2: the vote for the Assembly goes through by a single vote. After a while Person B, who voted for it, says it isn't a good idea and s/he has changed their mind, and starts a campaign against it.
Self evidently Person B and their arguments are going to be taken a lot more seriously and credibly than Person A, who will probably become a figure of fun.
Every other result lies on a continuum between Scenarios 1 and 2.
The other close result I listed was Quebec 1995 - "NO (to Independence)" won by 1.2%, again, a tighter margin than EURef.
And you'll find that the separatist campaign is still going, if under a number of different banners.
The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
o.
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class vote
A Corbyn victory is likely to hugely reduce net immigration. It might even go negative. Much of the WWC will be happy with that and controls will not be needed.
If the economy crashes yes through Corbynite tax and spend and nationalise yes, though that might leave Labour with a few other problems as well
It would crash primarily for high-earners in the private sector and those with property portfolios - neither group being likely to vote for Corbyn in the first place.
His coalition of public sector workers, students, the low paid, ethnic groups and socialist WWC would be protected, for a while at least.
The low paid would see fewer jobs and even slower wage rises and higher inflation
"She [Priti] is going to be pretty angry if she is sacked and she could do some pretty hard damage to Downing Street. No 10 is being naive, the Prime Minister will create an even bigger problem for herself if she sacks Priti."
If Priti doesn't distance herself from that smartish, then May surely has no choice but to sack her. The Secretary of State for International Development can't make themselves unsackable.
How ridiculous would it be to pull someone from their job and make them fly back immediately from half way across the world, and then not sack them?
"She [Priti] is going to be pretty angry if she is sacked and she could do some pretty hard damage to Downing Street. No 10 is being naive, the Prime Minister will create an even bigger problem for herself if she sacks Priti."
If Priti doesn't distance herself from that smartish, then May surely has no choice but to sack her. The Secretary of State for International Development can't make themselves unsackable.
Or something solid is on the record and she has the PM by the short ones.
"You sack me, and I will leak the emails in which your office instructed me to attend those sub-rosa meetings."
The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
o.
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class vote
A Corbyn victory is likely to hugely reduce net immigration. It might even go negative. Much of the WWC will be happy with that and controls will not be needed.
If the economy crashes yes through Corbynite tax and spend and nationalise yes, though that might leave Labour with a few other problems as well
It would crash primarily for high-earners in the private sector and those with property portfolios - neither group being likely to vote for Corbyn in the first place.
His coalition of public sector workers, students, the low paid, ethnic groups and socialist WWC would be protected, for a while at least.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
London's DLR was fully automated as long ago as 1987.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
It was the future in 1986. I know, I used to ride it. However, retrofitting our entire railway network might be a tad pricey. Especially since we can't seem to find the £ to electrify what we have.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
That is the right think to do and if she is sensible keeps the door open for her to return at a later date
Well if Mandelson could come back I suppose she can. I just hope if she does she stops dropping letters all over the place. It's an unattractive affectation
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
Vancouver metro was excellent and seems very popular with few complaints - so good customer service
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines
Its no surprise the drivers are upset about it. As well as concentrating on driving the train and sticking to the timetable they are also criminally liable if at a station stop they miss something on the little tiny images of their 12 car train on a curve as they shut the doors.
Again, DOO on a metro system is fine. On a main line railway its asking for trouble.
The single market obviously means uncontrolled free movement which also means failing to respect the Leave vote fully and the millions of working class Leave voters who voted Leave to reduce immigration.
So that is clearly a non starter at this time. As is obviously the EU given the Leave victory.
o.
Corbyn has made clear he won't back EEA permanently either to keep the 37% of Labour Leavers and 20% of UKIP voters he won on board and to ensure he can implement a socialist agenda.
Only the LDs and SNP and Greens back permanent single market membership and they got 7% and under 5% and 1% in June across the UK respectively.
If Labour comes to power between now and Brexit - quite a likely scenario at the rate we're going - it will say the Tories have royally f*cked up the Brexit process and the only way we can avoid a disastrous crash out is to accept EEA for a "transitional" period.
When the fuss has died down it will become clear that nobody really wants to transition any further - the UK will still face a cliff edge if it exits the EEA and the EU will have no reason to move since it will have lost the troublesome Brits from the political structure and they will still be paying in to the budget.
And the Tories will be blamed by everyone.
Win win really.
If it is Labour which ends up leaving EU immigration uncontrolled to stay permanently in the EEA it is lose lose for them with their white working class vote
A Corbyn victory is likely to hugely reduce net immigration. It might even go negative. Much of the WWC will be happy with that and controls will not be needed.
If the economy crashes yes through Corbynite tax and spend and nationalise yes, though that might leave Labour with a few other problems as well
It would crash primarily for high-earners in the private sector and those with property portfolios - neither group being likely to vote for Corbyn in the first place.
His coalition of public sector workers, students, the low paid, ethnic groups and socialist WWC would be protected, for a while at least.
The low paid would see fewer jobs and even slower wage rises and higher inflation
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
Agree with that. Dubai Metro is, like Vancouver, all modern and fully automated light rail. A main rail line is a very different beast though, and difficult to automate even if you were designing it from scratch.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
I know you don't like May but have you thought of the possible alternatives? Leadsom Johnson Hunt Gove or Fox. She's got to be better than any of them
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
I know you don't like May but have you thought of the possible alternatives? Leadsom Johnson Hunt Gove or Fox. She's got to be better than any of them
Theresa May - hang in there [ as long as the Tories are in power ]
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
Vancouver metro was excellent and seems very popular with few complaints - so good customer service
Vancouver metro don't run to London Victoria. Having one solitary person responsible for customers is not an extravagance. Better than not having them and pennies on season ticket.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
Agree with that. Dubai Metro is, like Vancouver, all modern and fully automated light rail. A main rail line is a very different beast though, and difficult to automate even if you were designing it from scratch.
When was that put in. I was there eight years ago and it wasn't obvious.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
I know you don't like May but have you thought of the possible alternatives? Leadsom Johnson Hunt Gove or Fox. She's got to be better than any of them
May's incompetence trumps her greyness. Damaging more than just Tory party. Obviously there are worse people, but there are better.
Off topic, How the Rolls Royce bribers get 50 years each in a Devomax. Dragging a great British name through the mud like they have done deserves a huge punishment
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines
Its no surprise the drivers are upset about it. As well as concentrating on driving the train and sticking to the timetable they are also criminally liable if at a station stop they miss something on the little tiny images of their 12 car train on a curve as they shut the doors.
Again, DOO on a metro system is fine. On a main line railway its asking for trouble.
It's surprising you didn't mention the case where someone got jailed for manslaughter.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines
Its no surprise the drivers are upset about it. As well as concentrating on driving the train and sticking to the timetable they are also criminally liable if at a station stop they miss something on the little tiny images of their 12 car train on a curve as they shut the doors.
Again, DOO on a metro system is fine. On a main line railway its asking for trouble.
It's surprising you didn't mention the case where someone got jailed for manslaughter.
Guards are no guarantee of safety. So how many staff do you want on board to guarantee passenger safety? Three? Four? A hundred?
Worst argument mounted on PB for a while. Guess you're against pilots on planes on account of the one who flew plane into Alps. You must really try harder.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
'Guards' are an anachronism on many lines. A throwback to the dieselisation program.
"You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver."
Yes, you clearly can, because it is done. After all, the guard can only be in one of those 8 or 12 units at one, and if it's full and he's at one end he can do bu**er all at the other end.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
Agree with that. Dubai Metro is, like Vancouver, all modern and fully automated light rail. A main rail line is a very different beast though, and difficult to automate even if you were designing it from scratch.
When was that put in. I was there eight years ago and it wasn't obvious.
Opened 09/09/09, runs on a viaduct right along the main Shk Zayed Rd for about 30km, but underground through the middle of the city. They even have a first class section https://www.rta.ae/links/rail/en/about-metro.html
Post of International Development Secretary - Priti vacant?
Iain Dale at 4pm?
Life's too short to keep up to date with what Iain Dale is saying. Especially as it was a beautiful day in Devon and I was busy yomping to a flock of Hawfinch in the Haldon Forest. And some Crossbills.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
You can automate it, but it costs a fortune to get rid of all the edge cases, and it's often cheaper just to have a driver pressing a button occasionally in the cab. As you suggest, it's easier on systems designed from new.
The same reason some level crossing are still manually opened (though those are decreasing in numbers). The cost to replace them with modern systems before they're life expired is greater than the cost of manning them.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
And yet for years we have had driver-only trains operating perfectly satisfactorily on other lines.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
Never understood why Tories so keen on reducing customer service.
I know you don't like May but have you thought of the possible alternatives? Leadsom Johnson Hunt Gove or Fox. She's got to be better than any of them
I think both Hunt and Gove would do better. Gove would be a spectacular PM with a real sense of purpose right up until he self immolated. He also seems to be the only Brexiteer who has been a success/doing okay at departmental level (justice and environment).
Fox and Leadsom would be out of their depth entirely.
Johnson... who knows... he might do okay with the right team. I wouldn’t put it past him to reverse Brexit - which I imagine would go down rather badly with some!
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
Agree with that. Dubai Metro is, like Vancouver, all modern and fully automated light rail. A main rail line is a very different beast though, and difficult to automate even if you were designing it from scratch.
When was that put in. I was there eight years ago and it wasn't obvious.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
Agree with that. Dubai Metro is, like Vancouver, all modern and fully automated light rail. A main rail line is a very different beast though, and difficult to automate even if you were designing it from scratch.
When was that put in. I was there eight years ago and it wasn't obvious.
Opened 09/09/09, runs on a viaduct right along the main Shk Zayed Rd for about 30km, but underground through the middle of the city. They even have a first class section https://www.rta.ae/links/rail/en/about-metro.html
I must have just missed it. It probably needed it. The traffic got pretty busy round rush hour.
I always thought that if the Palestinians started spending some serious money on PR especially in the US they wouldn't spend so much time on the back foot. Here's how Israel buys influence.
The important bit with the Southern story is the end of Driver Only Operation. You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver. When it breaks down and the driver goes off to phone or place detonators or whatever you've got a thousand people left by themselves on a stranded train. The guard is a safety critical role regardless of whether they open doors or check tickets.
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
I was on the Vancouver metro a couple of months ago and the sysrem is completely automated with driverless trains and runs as smooth as clockwork. That is the future
Thats fine for self contained systems where its the same kind of train running on a closed environment. A main line railway with multiple junctions multiple types of train including freight - you can't automate that and the comparison is only vaguely relevant because train.
Agree with that. Dubai Metro is, like Vancouver, all modern and fully automated light rail. A main rail line is a very different beast though, and difficult to automate even if you were designing it from scratch.
When was that put in. I was there eight years ago and it wasn't obvious.
Opened 09/09/09, runs on a viaduct right along the main Shk Zayed Rd for about 30km, but underground through the middle of the city. They even have a first class section https://www.rta.ae/links/rail/en/about-metro.html
I must have just missed it. It probably needed it. The traffic got pretty busy round rush hour.
It’s still pretty busy in the rush hour, but the roads and junctions are better than they used to be. More cars than a decade ago though. Loads more!
I doubt she enjoys sacking people, any more than the person on the receiving end enjoys being sacked. She’s probably more annoyed than anything, that someone in her own cabinet betrayed her trust.
'Guards' are an anachronism on many lines. A throwback to the dieselisation program.
"You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver."
Yes, you clearly can, because it is done. After all, the guard can only be in one of those 8 or 12 units at one, and if it's full and he's at one end he can do bu**er all at the other end.
What is the proportion of total cost of train operation that train companies save by not having guards? They are I'd think good to have but not critical; on the other hand, are they a significan extra cost?
I always thought that if the Palestinians started spending some serious money on PR especially in the US they wouldn't spend so much time on the back foot. Here's how Israel buys influence.
The difference is that the Israelis get mega bucks from the US government, private companies and donations from the Jewish lobby, probably in the region of $15 billion if not more. The Palestinians only get a fraction. The Israeli government can afford to spend on influence, either directly, or through the various intelligence agencies embedded within the embassies.
'Guards' are an anachronism on many lines. A throwback to the dieselisation program.
"You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver."
Yes, you clearly can, because it is done. After all, the guard can only be in one of those 8 or 12 units at one, and if it's full and he's at one end he can do bu**er all at the other end.
What is the proportion of total cost of train operation that train companies save by not having guards? They are I'd think good to have but not critical; on the other hand, are they a significan extra cost?
On Southern (from bitter experience) the issue is not the cost, but the flexibility. I've been on trains cancelled merely because the guard hasn't turned up.
'Guards' are an anachronism on many lines. A throwback to the dieselisation program.
"You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver."
Yes, you clearly can, because it is done. After all, the guard can only be in one of those 8 or 12 units at one, and if it's full and he's at one end he can do bu**er all at the other end.
What is the proportion of total cost of train operation that train companies save by not having guards? They are I'd think good to have but not critical; on the other hand, are they a significan extra cost?
Nope not at all. But if you gave a heart attack on a train, priceless.
Channel 4 News: Priti Patel visited Golan Heights as part of an Israeli government trip despite the fact that UK doesn't recognise Israel's annexation of Golan Heights from Syria.
Channel 4 News: Priti Patel visited Golan Heights as part of an Israeli government trip despite the fact that UK doesn't recognise Israel's annexation of Golan Heights from Syria.
I said that was the reason this afternoon - I visited the Golan Heights with my wife and youngest son some years ago and he bought a tee shirt but did not know what it said
When we got back to Jerusalem it said 'keep the Golan Heights'
Channel 4 News: Priti Patel visited Golan Heights as part of an Israeli government trip despite the fact that UK doesn't recognise Israel's annexation of Golan Heights from Syria.
Her replacement should visit Pakistan Administered Kashmir.
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Panellists were banned from wearing poppies on the BBC's long-running show Have I Got News For You, it has been revealed.
Guests appearing on the programme last Friday were told that they were not allowed on air if they wore a poppy, which critics described as an 'outrageous' move.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5057939/Journalist-ordered-poppy-BBC-show.html
Stronger and Stabler
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/928315294644428801
(I thank you!)
"She [Priti] is going to be pretty angry if she is sacked and she could do some pretty hard damage to Downing Street. No 10 is being naive, the Prime Minister will create an even bigger problem for herself if she sacks Priti."
If Priti doesn't distance herself from that smartish, then May surely has no choice but to sack her. The Secretary of State for International Development can't make themselves unsackable.
His coalition of public sector workers, students, the low paid, ethnic groups and socialist WWC would be protected, for a while at least.
Charlie Sheen in the frame: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5062721/Charlie-Sheen-sodomized-Corey-Haim-13-set-Lucas.html
Corey Feldman files official statement with LAPD regarding a pedophile ring and apparently an official investigation is underway.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5060219/LAPD-confirms-investigating-Corey-Feldman-case.html
"Don't do it again. Now get back to work....."
Where is my hat & coat?
"You sack me, and I will leak the emails in which your office instructed me to attend those sub-rosa meetings."
Anyway, I must be off.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5058623/Gossip-Girl-star-Ed-Westwick-accused-raping-actress.html
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/928244075664412672
The government don't seem to have a clue at the moment - that dipshit Grayling seems to be channelling Peter Mannion's App Britain initiative. Apparently a "digital railway" can replace things like capacity and electrification on Trans-Pennine...
...though I have just remembered it's May we're talking about.
In any case, a lot of Southern trains, such as the one I caught today, have about 15 passengers on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBlvgRxyESI
It went on to say that there had been deliberate personal undermining of Carl Sargeant from within the Welsh Labour Government over several years
Another resignation perhaps ?
Especially since we can't seem to find the £ to electrify what we have.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/woman-pictured-dragged-along-platform-hand-caught-train-door/
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=4904
Its no surprise the drivers are upset about it. As well as concentrating on driving the train and sticking to the timetable they are also criminally liable if at a station stop they miss something on the little tiny images of their 12 car train on a curve as they shut the doors.
Again, DOO on a metro system is fine. On a main line railway its asking for trouble.
Yes, the guard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-20348085/train-guard-jailed-for-manslaughter-after-teenager-s-death
Guards are no guarantee of safety. So how many staff do you want on board to guarantee passenger safety? Three? Four? A hundred?
"You can't operate a packed 8 or 12 car unit with no-one on the staff other than the driver."
Yes, you clearly can, because it is done. After all, the guard can only be in one of those 8 or 12 units at one, and if it's full and he's at one end he can do bu**er all at the other end.
https://www.rta.ae/links/rail/en/about-metro.html
The same reason some level crossing are still manually opened (though those are decreasing in numbers). The cost to replace them with modern systems before they're life expired is greater than the cost of manning them.
Gove would be a spectacular PM with a real sense of purpose right up until he self immolated.
He also seems to be the only Brexiteer who has been a success/doing okay at departmental level (justice and environment).
Fox and Leadsom would be out of their depth entirely.
Johnson... who knows... he might do okay with the right team.
I wouldn’t put it past him to reverse Brexit - which I imagine would go down rather badly with some!
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2017/11/8/8deda3d6-5293-47af-99fc-ce7a88a0106e.jpg
https://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/stuart-polak-the-westminster-veteran-1.447570
Bit late for that, Priti.
#JeSuisPriti
#Prexit
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/928337218191622147
She uses an iPhone
When we got back to Jerusalem it said 'keep the Golan Heights'