For quality of administration, I'd rank Theresa May's post-election government as by some distance the worst of my adult life.
Fortunately, it's not as if there's much going on.
Not sure about that. There have been no administrative disasters like Margaret Beckett's Rural Payments Agency fiasco, or the NHS database fiasco, or HIPs, and so on. It's easy to forget just how bad the Blair/Brown government was at actually governing. They were good on discipline and media management, of course, but that's a different point. This government is utterly disastrous in that respect, but reasonably good on routine governing.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
I think that's one possible outcome of denying the Fox bid. Sky removed Fox news from the platform, and moved Sky News leftward to represent the rise of Corbynism (removing several news reviewers and replacing them with more left wing voices) - all in an attempt to show that Murdoch had no editorial control over Sky news/News broadcasting in general.
For him, the effort would have been wasted, it would only have value at that point as a vanity project. He doesn't need it to make a profit from Sky.
For quality of administration, I'd rank Theresa May's post-election government as by some distance the worst of my adult life.
Fortunately, it's not as if there's much going on.
Not sure about that. There have been no administrative disasters like Margaret Beckett's Rural Payments Agency fiasco, or the NHS database fiasco, or HIPs, and so on. It's easy to forget just how bad the Blair/Brown government was at actually governing. They were good on discipline and media management, of course, but that's a different point. This government is utterly disastrous in that respect, but reasonably good on routine governing.
By "routine governing" I think you mean "not actually doing anything". Maybe wise. The NHS looks like it might be a problem for this government, as with Major.
The quality of routine administration is pretty good in this country, and is unaffected by a weak government which can't do anything.
"Up to the point of his tragic death on Tuesday morning Carl Sargeant was not informed of any of the detail of the allegations against him, despite requests and warnings regarding his mental welfare"
For quality of administration, I'd rank Theresa May's post-election government as by some distance the worst of my adult life.
Fortunately, it's not as if there's much going on.
Not sure about that. There have been no administrative disasters like Margaret Beckett's Rural Payments Agency fiasco, or the NHS database fiasco, or HIPs, and so on. It's easy to forget just how bad the Blair/Brown government was at actually governing. They were good on discipline and media management, of course, but that's a different point. This government is utterly disastrous in that respect, but reasonably good on routine governing.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Iraq would be the other one.
Edit. And more importantly, eventually a consensus was reached on both Iraq and the Poll Tax that they were mistakes.
For quality of administration, I'd rank Theresa May's post-election government as by some distance the worst of my adult life.
Fortunately, it's not as if there's much going on.
Not sure about that. There have been no administrative disasters like Margaret Beckett's Rural Payments Agency fiasco, or the NHS database fiasco, or HIPs, and so on. It's easy to forget just how bad the Blair/Brown government was at actually governing. They were good on discipline and media management, of course, but that's a different point. This government is utterly disastrous in that respect, but reasonably good on routine governing.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Iraq would be the other one.
Agreed.
I suppose Suez should also be in the frame though it's not very recent now.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate, HIPs were something bizarrely obsessed about by the government for years after it became clear that they weren't actually going to work.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax - Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife - Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system - Iraq
"Up to the point of his tragic death on Tuesday morning Carl Sargeant was not informed of any of the detail of the allegations against him, despite requests and warnings regarding his mental welfare"
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate, HIPs were something bizarrely obsessed about by the government for years after it became clear that they weren't actually going to work.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax - Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife - Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system - Iraq
I think the implementation of Brexit is a bigger deal than all of those.
"Up to the point of his tragic death on Tuesday morning Carl Sargeant was not informed of any of the detail of the allegations against him, despite requests and warnings regarding his mental welfare"
Apparently this was the same for Charlie Elphick - when he was suspended it was done without notice and with no details of the offences he was being investigated for. The party tipped off the press about it too, without giving notice of what the allegations were.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate ...
It was but the electorate is made up of those that think it was a stupid thing to do and, later, of those that don't see why all the things they were promised haven't happened
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate, HIPs were something bizarrely obsessed about by the government for years after it became clear that they weren't actually going to work.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax - Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife - Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system - Iraq
I think the implementation of Brexit is a bigger deal than all of those.
We'll see, but you have to distinguish between things which the government can do, and things which it can't. Some of the Brexit criticism of the government is simply a reflection of the impossibility of the position.
Ms Patel must feel like she's someone really important now, what with limos picking her up directly from the plane and a helicopter following her.
She'll be sat in the car on the phone to her office. "What the Actual Fuck is going on? They want to do WHAT? Right, get the emails where the PM told be not to talk about the meetings"
"Up to the point of his tragic death on Tuesday morning Carl Sargeant was not informed of any of the detail of the allegations against him, despite requests and warnings regarding his mental welfare"
Apparently this was the same for Charlie Elphick - when he was suspended it was done without notice and with no details of the offences he was being investigated for. The party tipped off the press about it too, without giving notice of what the allegations were.
Point about press aside, there is no need to tell people traight off the bat the nature of the accusations. After all, they might be completely spurious, and the Party (be it Labour or Tory) able to dismiss them without requiring the accused to answer for anything. However that should be apparent pretty quickly - a couple of weeks perhaps.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate, HIPs were something bizarrely obsessed about by the government for years after it became clear that they weren't actually going to work.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax - Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife - Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system - Iraq
I think the implementation of Brexit is a bigger deal than all of those.
We'll see, but you have to distinguish between things which the government can do, and things which it can't. Some of the Brexit criticism of the government is simply a reflection of the impossibility of the position.
...which the government got itself into through hubris and stupidity..
Mr. E, that approach seems entirely unreasonable to me.
I think it has prompted (the tragic events in Wales) a sudden moment of silent reflection from some of the more strident voices of the 'they're all guilty' crew on the media and especially Twitter.
On twitter, it all just went quiet, as if nothing had ever happened.
I really hope that someone has provided an adequate supply of rotten fruit for the stocks at the end of all this. If we are to go totally ape shit we really must have all the tools.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate, HIPs were something bizarrely obsessed about by the government for years after it became clear that they weren't actually going to work.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax - Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife - Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system - Iraq
I think the implementation of Brexit is a bigger deal than all of those.
It is but even with the perfect Brexit Secretary, how much more could have been achieved than has been? There could have been a deal on citizens' rights but given the EU's attitude on the one hand, and the constraints of public, parliament and party on the other, what else could realistically have been done?
I really hope that someone has provided an adequate supply of rotten fruit for the stocks at the end of all this. If we are to go totally ape shit we really must have all the tools.
I've been enjoying the smell of burning straw on pitchforks all morning.
Somehow I think history will rank Brexit as a rather more significant administrative disaster than HIPs!
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
Brexit was the choice of the electorate, HIPs were something bizarrely obsessed about by the government for years after it became clear that they weren't actually going to work.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax - Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife - Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system - Iraq
I think the implementation of Brexit is a bigger deal than all of those.
We'll see, but you have to distinguish between things which the government can do, and things which it can't. Some of the Brexit criticism of the government is simply a reflection of the impossibility of the position.
...which the government got itself into through hubris and stupidity..
Some members of the government (who weren't all members of the government at the time). And others. Not that that changes perceptions.
Well they will not get that so if the Council agree a deal the EU Parliament rejects the will of the Council it will create a Europe wide crisis that could go out of control
BF now paying less than many bank current accounts on Priti being next out.
BF are paying 1% *per hour* on Priti though
(Assuming of course that she’s about to get fired).
1.03 is probably about right, small chance May does nothing. With the logic this gov't has employed I wouldn't risk significant capital on this market.
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?
I don't think it is bad blood, I think Rory's back story in the current climate might become an issue.
For the record, I think it is a complete non-story/red herring, but from five years ago.
When Noah Coburn arrived in Afghanistan with his wife to volunteer at a charity set up by Prince Charles, he could be forgiven for thinking life would be very different.
The respected political anthropologist left his library at Boston University, Massachusetts far behind to live and work in the war-torn country whose tribal politics he always found fascinating.
Accompanying him on the “trip of a lifetime” in 2006 was his beautiful wife Shoshana. She also found a post at the Turquoise Mountain charity, which aimed to inject new life into Afghanistan’s battered arts scene.
But Coburn could never have imagined quite how different life would become. Within two years, he had returned to academia in a far-flung corner of the United States. And Shoshana is now engaged to Turquoise Mountain’s co-founder, high-flying Conservative MP Rory Stewart, whose life is being made into a film by Brad Pitt.
BF now paying less than many bank current accounts on Priti being next out.
BF are paying 1% *per hour* on Priti though
(Assuming of course that she’s about to get fired).
1.03 is probably about right, small chance May does nothing. With the logic this gov't has employed I wouldn't risk significant capital on this market.
Me neither. Patel will probably be made CoE at this meeting.
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?
I don't think it is bad blood, I think Rory's back story in the current climate might become an issue.
For the record, I think it is a complete non-story/red herring, but from five years ago.
When Noah Coburn arrived in Afghanistan with his wife to volunteer at a charity set up by Prince Charles, he could be forgiven for thinking life would be very different.
The respected political anthropologist left his library at Boston University, Massachusetts far behind to live and work in the war-torn country whose tribal politics he always found fascinating.
Accompanying him on the “trip of a lifetime” in 2006 was his beautiful wife Shoshana. She also found a post at the Turquoise Mountain charity, which aimed to inject new life into Afghanistan’s battered arts scene.
But Coburn could never have imagined quite how different life would become. Within two years, he had returned to academia in a far-flung corner of the United States. And Shoshana is now engaged to Turquoise Mountain’s co-founder, high-flying Conservative MP Rory Stewart, whose life is being made into a film by Brad Pitt.
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
Yeah, perhaps...is there bad blood with Rory?
I'm surprised Penny Mordaunt survived unscathed from her lies about Turkey EU membership in the referendum - a risky choice to promote to cabinet. I'd have thought that Alistair Burt would be the ideal replacement.
Alistair Burt is THE great survivor in Tory politics - I think he's been fired twice from the government at various points since 2010 and then brought back!
Have you ruled yourself out of DfID JohnO?
It is a self evident proposition that the next step up from being a Surrey County Councillor is membership of the Cabinet. The telephone is within 3 inches of this laptop.
Comments
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sky-news-rubert-murdoch-fox-news-competition-markets-authority-a8042961.html
Maybe if Priti has brought her back a litre of gin and 200 B&H from the duty free shop she will be OK?
Surprised Faisal Islam hasn't tweeted it. He's not normally slow in tweeting anti Brexit rumours
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/928278488615997442?s=17
The second most disastrous blunder in recent decades - albeit far less important than Brexit - must surely be the Poll Tax.
(with posthumous apologies to the genius that was Rik Mayall)
For him, the effort would have been wasted, it would only have value at that point as a vanity project. He doesn't need it to make a profit from Sky.
"Up to the point of his tragic death on Tuesday morning Carl Sargeant was not informed of any of the detail of the allegations against him, despite requests and warnings regarding his mental welfare"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41908424
Edit. And more importantly, eventually a consensus was reached on both Iraq and the Poll Tax that they were mistakes.
I suppose Suez should also be in the frame though it's not very recent now.
The biggest blunders of the last fifty years have been (in increasing order of importance):
- The Poll Tax
- Wilson's copping out of In Place of Strife
- Brown's dismantling of supervision of the stability of the banking system
- Iraq
No sense of proportion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-latest-update-theresa-may-sacked-secret-israel-meeting-fired-not-declare-new-york-a8043556.html
On twitter, it all just went quiet, as if nothing had ever happened.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/928284521920913409
'When it becomes serious, you have to lie'
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20171108IPR87615/brexit-ep-outlines-its-red-lines-on-latest-uk-citizens-rights-proposals
(Assuming of course that she’s about to get fired).
Burn the witch.
I suspect Mrs May is more likely to make Nick Timothy a cabinet minister than Rory.
For the record, I think it is a complete non-story/red herring, but from five years ago.
When Noah Coburn arrived in Afghanistan with his wife to volunteer at a charity set up by Prince Charles, he could be forgiven for thinking life would be very different.
The respected political anthropologist left his library at Boston University, Massachusetts far behind to live and work in the war-torn country whose tribal politics he always found fascinating.
Accompanying him on the “trip of a lifetime” in 2006 was his beautiful wife Shoshana. She also found a post at the Turquoise Mountain charity, which aimed to inject new life into Afghanistan’s battered arts scene.
But Coburn could never have imagined quite how different life would become. Within two years, he had returned to academia in a far-flung corner of the United States. And Shoshana is now engaged to Turquoise Mountain’s co-founder, high-flying Conservative MP Rory Stewart, whose life is being made into a film by Brad Pitt.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rory-stewart-the-tory-mp-who-went-to-afghanistan-and-came-back-with-a-glamorous-new-fianc-8198797.html
#QTWTAIN
At 14, he could recite from memory Eliot's The Waste Land.