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After 5 minutes I flung myself down the stairs in despair. Were we listening to the same speech.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She did well on the biggest speech of her career. Hope this is a big moment in the Brexit processSouthamObserver said:
I am hoping that today is the start of something. May should be pleased with herself today. She could just have broken free from the fundamentalists on the Tory right and neutered Boris in doing so. He is now tied into the process that May has set out. That means the transition - if it happens - and the final deal. What has to happen now, of course, is Davis putting detail onto the concessions that May has made.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You cannot please all the people all the time and some will be unhappy.Tykejohnno said:
But are the leave bigwigs of her backbenchers on the same page ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She should be OK now - Ken Clarke and Boris on same pageGIN1138 said:
Well she wouldn't dare deliver this speech in the UK would she?rottenborough said:Did we ever find out why this speech had to be in Florence?
Her speech to the Tory Conference will be fun...
However I think that we may have seen the avoidance of a hard Brexit and a Brexit that could command a majority view0 -
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Big G is May's biggest fanboi!malcolmg said:
After 5 minutes I flung myself down the stairs in despair. Were we listening to the same speech.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She did well on the biggest speech of her career. Hope this is a big moment in the Brexit processSouthamObserver said:
I am hoping that today is the start of something. May should be pleased with herself today. She could just have broken free from the fundamentalists on the Tory right and neutered Boris in doing so. He is now tied into the process that May has set out. That means the transition - if it happens - and the final deal. What has to happen now, of course, is Davis putting detail onto the concessions that May has made.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You cannot please all the people all the time and some will be unhappy.Tykejohnno said:
But are the leave bigwigs of her backbenchers on the same page ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She should be OK now - Ken Clarke and Boris on same pageGIN1138 said:
Well she wouldn't dare deliver this speech in the UK would she?rottenborough said:Did we ever find out why this speech had to be in Florence?
Her speech to the Tory Conference will be fun...
However I think that we may have seen the avoidance of a hard Brexit and a Brexit that could command a majority view0 -
Tut Tut, hate to be a pedant but should be spelt not spelledRichard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I think you are right, although it's not currently spelled out in any detail.SouthamObserver said:I understood her to say that certain aspects of the transition might last longer than two years and others might last less, but that for two years post-Brexit we would guarantee to carry on paying what we are paying now. After that, the sum will presumably be part of the negotiation.
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You really are silly - read my comments and you will see my reservations but there is a consensus that she did perform above expectations todayMonksfield said:
Big G is May's biggest fanboi!malcolmg said:
After 5 minutes I flung myself down the stairs in despair. Were we listening to the same speech.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She did well on the biggest speech of her career. Hope this is a big moment in the Brexit processSouthamObserver said:
I am hoping that today is the start of something. May should be pleased with herself today. She could just have broken free from the fundamentalists on the Tory right and neutered Boris in doing so. He is now tied into the process that May has set out. That means the transition - if it happens - and the final deal. What has to happen now, of course, is Davis putting detail onto the concessions that May has made.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You cannot please all the people all the time and some will be unhappy.Tykejohnno said:
But are the leave bigwigs of her backbenchers on the same page ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She should be OK now - Ken Clarke and Boris on same pageGIN1138 said:
Well she wouldn't dare deliver this speech in the UK would she?rottenborough said:Did we ever find out why this speech had to be in Florence?
Her speech to the Tory Conference will be fun...
However I think that we may have seen the avoidance of a hard Brexit and a Brexit that could command a majority view0 -
You'd be the first on PB to hate to be a pedant, we all love being pedants here. So in that spirit, I'm pleased to tell you that both forms are acceptable in English.malcolmg said:
Tut Tut, hate to be a pedant but should be spelt not spelledRichard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I think you are right, although it's not currently spelled out in any detail.SouthamObserver said:I understood her to say that certain aspects of the transition might last longer than two years and others might last less, but that for two years post-Brexit we would guarantee to carry on paying what we are paying now. After that, the sum will presumably be part of the negotiation.
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Hope you didn't hurt yourself Malcmalcolmg said:
After 5 minutes I flung myself down the stairs in despair. Were we listening to the same speech.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She did well on the biggest speech of her career. Hope this is a big moment in the Brexit processSouthamObserver said:
I am hoping that today is the start of something. May should be pleased with herself today. She could just have broken free from the fundamentalists on the Tory right and neutered Boris in doing so. He is now tied into the process that May has set out. That means the transition - if it happens - and the final deal. What has to happen now, of course, is Davis putting detail onto the concessions that May has made.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You cannot please all the people all the time and some will be unhappy.Tykejohnno said:
But are the leave bigwigs of her backbenchers on the same page ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She should be OK now - Ken Clarke and Boris on same pageGIN1138 said:
Well she wouldn't dare deliver this speech in the UK would she?rottenborough said:Did we ever find out why this speech had to be in Florence?
Her speech to the Tory Conference will be fun...
However I think that we may have seen the avoidance of a hard Brexit and a Brexit that could command a majority view0 -
From the man who wanted us to continue paying billions to the EU in perpetuity whilst having no real influence at all. At least at the end of the two years we will be out rather than seeing yet more control of our country siphoned away to Brussels.YellowSubmarine said:
Yes. Sadly I don't think it will get much traction outside core Remainers but that's where we are. At least two years where we are fully signed up but no EUCO seat, no council of ministers seat, no Commissioner , no MEPs. For at last 2 years we'll be the Peurto Rico of the European Union.GIN1138 said:
So these idiots have not landed us in a situation where we pay billions to pounds with no representation about how tax payers money is spent?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No - we leave on the 29th March 2019 - we will not participate in the 2019 euro electionstheakes said:Presumably we now particpate in the 2019 Euro Eelections. Funny old world.
Seriously? What a ******* shambles!
It is not a perfect result but certainly better than staying in.0 -
She gave it her best shot, but May really isn't Prime Minister material. Her premiership increasingly feels like some kind of bizarre experiment.0
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Assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow afternoon will see a thread about AV0
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*prepares AV thread KLAXON*TheScreamingEagles said:Assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow afternoon will see a thread about AV
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Praise indeed. We all need to see how this develops but May is safe for now.Jonathan said:She gave it her best shot, but May really isn't Prime Minister material. Her premiership increasingly feels like some kind of bizarre experiment.
But new leader for next election in 2022 - yes0 -
Can I have a little of what you're smoking please?williamglenn said:
Good news... We can escape from purgatory by getting to the heart of the EU and joining the Euro. Our final reconciliation with our European destiny.GIN1138 said:
Looks very unlikely.williamglenn said:
Do you think Brexit will happen?GIN1138 said:Theresa May looking utterly pathetic and craven...
She seems to have demeaned not only herself but the country, grovelling on her hands and knees to Mr Juncker.
Embarrassing.
The political class will keep us trapped in some ghastly purgatory for years where we shell out hundreds of billions of pounds for god knows how long with no representation on how the money is spent at all.
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It's just weird. I could see her as a deputy head stoically covering for a head at a fourth form assembly, but not the Prime Minister. Perhaps this is a reality TV show or bad 1980s comedy when a member of the public gets to be leader for a day? We're all on the wrong channel.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Praise indeed. We all need to see how this develops but May is safe for now.Jonathan said:She gave it her best shot, but May really isn't Prime Minister material. Her premiership increasingly feels like some kind of bizarre experiment.
But new leader for next election in 2022 - yes0 -
The Sunil on Sunday cautiously welcomes Theresa's speech, though we would have preferred to complete Brexit sooner than within 4 years.0
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Theresa May Seeks to Unlock Brexit Talks in Florence Speech https://nyti.ms/2jOH1f10
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Delighted freedom of movement will continue.
Too late for these NHS workers but hopefully enough to persuade others to stick around...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/21/almost-10000-eu-health-workers-have-quit-the-nhs-since-brexit-vote0 -
Adult Videos? I'll have my Kleenex at the readyTheScreamingEagles said:Assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow afternoon will see a thread about AV
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On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.0 -
Isn't that racist against non-EU NHS workers?rkrkrk said:Delighted freedom of movement will continue.
Too late for these NHS workers but hopefully enough to persuade others to stick around...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/21/almost-10000-eu-health-workers-have-quit-the-nhs-since-brexit-vote0 -
They're live on Sky at 5.30 at home to Notts Forest.TheScreamingEagles said:Assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow afternoon will see a thread about AV
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What a totally moronic comment!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't that racist against non-EU NHS workers?rkrkrk said:Delighted freedom of movement will continue.
Too late for these NHS workers but hopefully enough to persuade others to stick around...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/21/almost-10000-eu-health-workers-have-quit-the-nhs-since-brexit-vote0 -
95% of the Express’s European coverage is conspiracy theories about Diana’s deathwilliamglenn said:
These days the Express has better coverage of European affairs than the Telegraph, and I'm not joking.Sandpit said:Telegraph have already got Farage’s rebuttal front and centre on their website (but behind their paywall). Anyone else reckon it was written before Mrs May sat down?
They screwed up with Boris last weekend, now they’re screwing up again with Nigel.0 -
Britain’s Theresa May is trying to keep E.U. ‘divorce’ from going totally off the rails
http://wapo.st/2xianrC0 -
Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better.
Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.0 -
£100 at evens that these two "destroyed" parties get a majority between them at the next election.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
All that the two year transition will do is further harden people's views against the EU. it makes ever rejoicing - always an extremely remote possibility - even less likely.williamglenn said:
Good news... We can escape from purgatory by getting to the heart of the EU and joining the Euro. Our final reconciliation with our European destiny.GIN1138 said:
Looks very unlikely.williamglenn said:
Do you think Brexit will happen?GIN1138 said:Theresa May looking utterly pathetic and craven...
She seems to have demeaned not only herself but the country, grovelling on her hands and knees to Mr Juncker.
Embarrassing.
The political class will keep us trapped in some ghastly purgatory for years where we shell out hundreds of billions of pounds for god knows how long with no representation on how the money is spent at all.0 -
Brown got more seats than Ed Miliband and almost as many as Corbyn, May got more seats in 2017 than any Tory leader in 25 years bar Cameron 2015TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No chance, even a majority of under 30s oppose the Euro and 80% of the country as a whole compared to the 52% who wanted to leave the EU.rottenborough said:
It is entirely possible that Leavers have handed a Britain that has rejoined the EU and joined the Euro, albeit in twenty years time (when today's young remainers are in the ascent).HYUFD said:
No chance, single market membership is at least not eurozone membership (Though little different to what we had before). More likely we eventually rejoin EFTA as we were in from 1960 until we left to join the EEC in 1973williamglenn said:
Good news... We can escape from purgatory by getting to the heart of the EU and joining the Euro. Our final reconciliation with our European destiny.GIN1138 said:
Looks very unlikely.williamglenn said:
Do you think Brexit will happen?GIN1138 said:Theresa May looking utterly pathetic and craven...
She seems to have demeaned not only herself but the country, grovelling on her hands and knees to Mr Juncker.
Embarrassing.
The political class will keep us trapped in some ghastly purgatory for years where we shell out hundreds of billions of pounds for god knows how long with no representation on how the money is spent at all.
Instead it is more likely non-Eurozone Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic leave the EU to join EFTA than the UK rejoins the EU and joins the Euro0 -
+1Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better.
Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.0 -
The Express's coverage of the hurricanes from a meteorological point of view has been genuinely second to none.not_on_fire said:
95% of the Express’s European coverage is conspiracy theories about Diana’s deathwilliamglenn said:
These days the Express has better coverage of European affairs than the Telegraph, and I'm not joking.Sandpit said:Telegraph have already got Farage’s rebuttal front and centre on their website (but behind their paywall). Anyone else reckon it was written before Mrs May sat down?
They screwed up with Boris last weekend, now they’re screwing up again with Nigel.0 -
Indian NHS workers (like my brother's fiancee) don't have freedom of movement.murali_s said:
What a totally moronic comment!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't that racist against non-EU NHS workers?rkrkrk said:Delighted freedom of movement will continue.
Too late for these NHS workers but hopefully enough to persuade others to stick around...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/21/almost-10000-eu-health-workers-have-quit-the-nhs-since-brexit-vote0 -
Of course, it isn't guaranteed Hammond will be doing the budget.Richard_Nabavi said:
I expect he'll do very little in the budget.Pong said:Assuming the detente holds through the Tory conference, Hammonds November budget looks to be the next major life-or-death flashpoint for the government.
100% chance the tory right pick it apart.
Post-conference reshuffle...;
Minor ~40%, perhaps?
Major ~25% ?
Hammond replaced ~10% ?
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I don't understand - what do you people think is the point of a two year delay?0
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Dream on. We are leaving. If you want to remain an EU citizen then the only way will be for you to move to another country.murali_s said:
+1Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better.
Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.0 -
I've seen an interesting argument claiming that the way the definition of "citizen of the European Union" is worded in the treaties, anyone who currently is an EU citizen will remain so, even if the member state that they derived their citizenship from leaves.Richard_Tyndall said:
Dream on. We are leaving. If you want to remain an EU citizen then the only way will be for you to move to another country.murali_s said:
+1Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better.
Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.0 -
Completely off topic I only just heard that the wildlife artist David Shepherd died a couple of days ago. Great shame as his work was stunningly good and he also raised huge sums of money for protecting the wildlife he painted.0
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That does not appear to be the case since one of the proposals from the EU has been to extend EU citizenship to UK nationals after we leave. If you were correct that would not be necessary.rpjs said:
I've seen an interesting argument claiming that the way the definition of "citizen of the European Union" is worded in the treaties, anyone who currently is an EU citizen will remain so, even if the member state that they derived their citizenship from leaves.Richard_Tyndall said:
Dream on. We are leaving. If you want to remain an EU citizen then the only way will be for you to move to another country.murali_s said:
+1Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better.
Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.0 -
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.0 -
I don't think there is now any reasonable argument, other than from the so called "nut job and fruit loon" wing of society, that Brexit is financially the worst "post-WW2" disaster to hit this country. Even this disgraced government has realised the need to kick it down the path until it is probably no longer in power and can therefore deny (like its predecessors) problems that were all of its own making.Richard_Tyndall said:
Dream on. We are leaving. If you want to remain an EU citizen then the only way will be for you to move to another country.murali_s said:
+1 Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better. Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.0 -
Lol.Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better.
Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
Some high quality trolling there.0 -
This is an example of what I mean.not_on_fire said:
95% of the Express’s European coverage is conspiracy theories about Diana’s deathwilliamglenn said:
These days the Express has better coverage of European affairs than the Telegraph, and I'm not joking.Sandpit said:Telegraph have already got Farage’s rebuttal front and centre on their website (but behind their paywall). Anyone else reckon it was written before Mrs May sat down?
They screwed up with Boris last weekend, now they’re screwing up again with Nigel.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/857643/Theresa-May-Florence-speech-EU-leaders-Barnier-Verhofstadt-Varadkar-PM-Brexit-plan0 -
"loon" or "fruit loop", I think, not "fruit loon".Ally_B said:
I don't think there is now any reasonable argument, other than from the so called "nut job and fruit loon" wing of society, that Brexit is financially the worst "post-WW2" disaster to hit this country. Even this disgraced government has realised the need to kick it down the path until it is probably no longer in power and can therefore deny (like its predecessors) problems that were all of its own making.Richard_Tyndall said:
Dream on. We are leaving. If you want to remain an EU citizen then the only way will be for you to move to another country.murali_s said:
+1 Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better. Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
I assume that you are trolling, and also that you are under 20 if you think that inflation under 3%, stable to buoyant equity and housing markets and full employment are what a financial disaster looks like.0 -
Add gambling to that nexus.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
Regulated online gambling with electronic payments, KYC and HMRC/police access to accounts makes it a completely different money laundering proposition to the old shady brick and mortar cash bookies.
Similar dynamic for uber drivers.
The black economy is getting crushed because everything is tracked.
It's both brilliant and scary.0 -
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Juncker Uber Alles?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Final German poll from INSA
CDU/CSU 34%
SPD 21%
AfD 13%
Die Linke 11%
FDP 9%
Greens 8%
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Why hasn't that been on the television news? Perhaps I've only heard of him because of his steam locomotive paintings, but I thought his wildlife endeavours meant he was fairly well known.Richard_Tyndall said:Completely off topic I only just heard that the wildlife artist David Shepherd died a couple of days ago. Great shame as his work was stunningly good and he also raised huge sums of money for protecting the wildlife he painted.
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Hopefully Hammond concentrates more on the financial details this time and less on the jokes.Pong said:Assuming the detente holds through the Tory conference, Hammonds November budget looks to be the next major life-or-death flashpoint for the government.
100% chance the tory right pick it apart.0 -
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He has a meadow named after him in sandhust, berks. A watwer meadow by the side of the river blakwatertlg86 said:
Why hasn't that been on the television news? Perhaps I've only heard of him because of his steam locomotive paintings, but I thought his wildlife endeavours meant he was fairly well known.Richard_Tyndall said:Completely off topic I only just heard that the wildlife artist David Shepherd died a couple of days ago. Great shame as his work was stunningly good and he also raised huge sums of money for protecting the wildlife he painted.
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The only lunatics are those like yourself desperately scrambling around for bad news to prove Brexit is a disaster and getting more and more frustrated as your claims of doom fail to materialise.Ally_B said:
I don't think there is now any reasonable argument, other than from the so called "nut job and fruit loon" wing of society, that Brexit is financially the worst "post-WW2" disaster to hit this country. Even this disgraced government has realised the need to kick it down the path until it is probably no longer in power and can therefore deny (like its predecessors) problems that were all of its own making.Richard_Tyndall said:
Dream on. We are leaving. If you want to remain an EU citizen then the only way will be for you to move to another country.murali_s said:
+1 Brexit is and will be calamity until it is binned.Nonregla said:Just stay in the EU already.
EU membership wasn't a problem in the slightest. Brexit is. And the nearer a solution to it becomes to staying in, the better. Britain should have joined the euro years ago.
The foamy mouths won the referendum, so do something to distract them. Put more wrestling on the telly maybe. Is that really such a big challenge for the PR boys? Concentrate on real problems such as housing, debt, education, and, yes, immigration.
There is no kicking down the path. We will still officially leave in March 2019 and the transition arrangements make no difference to that. You can then spend the rest of your life howling at the moon about rejoining whilst the rest of us get on making a success of being out.
What the Eurofanatics like yourself fail to realise yet is that agreeing a transition period makes it far more certain we will indeed leave and at the same time destroys any chance you have of us ever rejoining.
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Evening all. With all the other news today, people might not be aware that the polls open in the New Zealand General election in just under 3 hours. As my other half is a Kiwi I thought I might do a quick preview
NZ uses an MMP system similar to that seen in Holyrood.
There are 64 general electorates, 7 Maori electorates and 49 top up seats for a total of 120 seats. Citizens of Maori descent can choose to register in a general electorate or a Maori electorate. No party has won outright since the introduction of MMP. The main players are as follows:
National Party - With a strong economy and a budget surplus the Nationals ought to be favourites to be re-elected. 2 things have weighed against them. 1) after 9 years in power, time for a change is kicking in. 2) The popular John Key stood down to be replaced by less charismatic finance minster Bill English
Labour Party - The NZ Labour has struggled for a number of years and looked to be heading for another defeat when Andrew Little was forced out last month. New leader Jacinda Arden got an immediate boost dubbed the "Jacinda Effect"
Green Party - Co-leader Metiria Turei was forced out in August after allegations of benefit and electoral fraud. This came at a bad time with Labour on the up
New Zealand First - A populist party who are anti-immigration and pro law and order. It has been in coalition with both National and Labour in the past. Their leader accused the government of leaking details about a pension overpayment.
The campaign saw Labour take the lead in several polls. National has since made a comeback by creating doubts around Labour's tax policies.
The final polls were:
Nat 46, Lab 37, Green 7, NZF 7
Nat 46, Lab 37, Green 8, NZF 5
The most likely result is National coming back in with minor parties or NZF. Labour would still have a much increased share of the vote (at the expense of the smaller parties) and would be well placed to win in 2020.
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Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.0 -
RIPanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.0 -
another_richard said:
Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Condolences to his family & friends.
His contributions will be missed here.0 -
Most sad. RIP Mark.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.0 -
RIP Indeed. I had some sparrings with him but he was a knowledgeable poster and a committed Liberal and I send my condolences to his familyanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
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Oh blow. That is very sad. I know we never really saw eye to eye and traded verbal blows a few times but he was one of the mainstays of this site and always extremely well informed and articulate. Someone who you felt was a worthy opponent and certainly a fine contributor.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
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That’s terrible.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
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Like Australia the results of the New Zealand election come in Saturday morning our time, as you say at the moment it looks like National may lose their majority but could stay in power with NZF supportGarethoftheVale2 said:Evening all. With all the other news today, people might not be aware that the polls open in the New Zealand General election in just under 3 hours. As my other half is a Kiwi I thought I might do a quick preview
NZ uses an MMP system similar to that seen in Holyrood.
There are 64 general electorates, 7 Maori electorates and 49 top up seats for a total of 120 seats. Citizens of Maori descent can choose to register in a general electorate or a Maori electorate. No party has won outright since the introduction of MMP. The main players are as follows:
National Party - With a strong economy and a budget surplus the Nationals ought to be favourites to be re-elected. 2 things have weighed against them. 1) after 9 years in power, time for a change is kicking in. 2) The popular John Key stood down to be replaced by less charismatic finance minster Bill English
Labour Party - The NZ Labour has struggled for a number of years and looked to be heading for another defeat when Andrew Little was forced out last month. New leader Jacinda Arden got an immediate boost dubbed the "Jacinda Effect"
Green Party - Co-leader Metiria Turei was forced out in August after allegations of benefit and electoral fraud. This came at a bad time with Labour on the up
New Zealand First - A populist party who are anti-immigration and pro law and order. It has been in coalition with both National and Labour in the past. Their leader accused the government of leaking details about a pension overpayment.
The campaign saw Labour take the lead in several polls. National has since made a comeback by creating doubts around Labour's tax policies.
The final polls were:
Nat 46, Lab 37, Green 7, NZF 7
Nat 46, Lab 37, Green 8, NZF 5
The most likely result is National coming back in with minor parties or NZF. Labour would still have a much increased share of the vote (at the expense of the smaller parties) and would be well placed to win in 2020.
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V sad.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
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There was another prominent LibDem, SES I think he was called, who died in 2009.HYUFD said:
RIP Indeed. I had some sparrings with him but he was a knowledgeable poster and a committed Liberal and I send my condolences to his familyanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
On the whole we've done pretty well healthwise.0 -
Oh no!another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Really sad to hear that.
RIP Mark.0 -
The fanaticism that some leavers have is beyond me. I still dont know what benefits they will get by leaving because our voting system means most people have no influnce on who is elected. Immigration will continue because it has to unlesss the value of the pound falls to make it not worth coming here. The government will continue to not restrict none EU immigration and the only people to suffer willl be those that can least afford it. We may even regret not being part of an EU army whenTrump pulls out of NATO because we cant back his plans on N Korea. Please tell me what this new nivarna that you expect and when will it happen0
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320,000 already - that is a very big vote in such a short timeSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
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' Pete WhiteheadTheScreamingEagles said:
That’s terrible.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Do you have a link/source please ?
Mark Senior sadly passed away last week. I don’t know if he was still a regular poster on this site as I haven’t been myself for quite a while but he was for many years and many longstanding regulars here will have known him as he was an institution both here and in another place.
September 22nd, 2017 at 2:18 pm '
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/worthingwest/#comments
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RIP Mark.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
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Thank you.another_richard said:
' Pete WhiteheadTheScreamingEagles said:
That’s terrible.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Do you have a link/source please ?
Mark Senior sadly passed away last week. I don’t know if he was still a regular poster on this site as I haven’t been myself for quite a while but he was for many years and many longstanding regulars here will have known him as he was an institution both here and in another place.
September 22nd, 2017 at 2:18 pm '
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True but inevitably none of us are immortal (except perhaps JackW), a reminder that however heated the arguments on here to keep things in perspectiveanother_richard said:
There was another prominent LibDem, SES I think he was called, who died in 2009.HYUFD said:
RIP Indeed. I had some sparrings with him but he was a knowledgeable poster and a committed Liberal and I send my condolences to his familyanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
On the whole we've done pretty well healthwise.
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Very sad was contributing until a few months ago with no indication of problems, a long term liberal who was always reasonable, if biased in his posts.another_richard said:
' Pete WhiteheadTheScreamingEagles said:
That’s terrible.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Do you have a link/source please ?
Mark Senior sadly passed away last week. I don’t know if he was still a regular poster on this site as I haven’t been myself for quite a while but he was for many years and many longstanding regulars here will have known him as he was an institution both here and in another place.
September 22nd, 2017 at 2:18 pm '
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Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
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Shocked to hear of Mark Senior's passing. RIP0
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I hate to sound morbid, but do we know that JackW is OK? He hasn't visited the site in months and I know he's had health problems.HYUFD said:
True but inevitably none of us are immortal (except perhaps JackW), a reminder that however heated the arguments on here to keep things in perspectiveanother_richard said:
There was another prominent LibDem, SES I think he was called, who died in 2009.HYUFD said:
RIP Indeed. I had some sparrings with him but he was a knowledgeable poster and a committed Liberal and I send my condolences to his familyanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
On the whole we've done pretty well healthwise.
Sad news about Mark Senior. Slightly ironic to reflect his last ever post was celebrating your defeat in the Hemnall council by-election, where he described you as 'our very own HYUFD'!0 -
Shocked and saddened to learn of this.another_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.0 -
Was it Khan's decision? I know he's endorsed it but I thought the responsibility rests with TfL.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.0 -
Headlines - 40,000 lost jobsSeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.0 -
I hope so, perhaps we need to consult OGH.ydoethur said:
I hate to sound morbid, but do we know that JackW is OK? He hasn't visited the site in months and I know he's had health problems.HYUFD said:
True but inevitably none of us are immortal (except perhaps JackW), a reminder that however heated the arguments on here to keep things in perspectiveanother_richard said:
There was another prominent LibDem, SES I think he was called, who died in 2009.HYUFD said:
RIP Indeed. I had some sparrings with him but he was a knowledgeable poster and a committed Liberal and I send my condolences to his familyanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
On the whole we've done pretty well healthwise.
Sad news about Mark Senior. Slightly ironic to reflect his last ever post was celebrating your defeat in the Hemnall council by-election, where he described you as 'our very own HYUFD'!
Yes, I remember that post, a pity he will no longer have a chance to see me hopefully get elected to the council (I am now on the district council candidates list) but perhaps he will be keeping tabs from above!
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I don't think UKIP had many second places anywhere in 2017!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Barnesian, vielleicht. UKIP had a lot of second places in Labour seats and could take votes from both parties.
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His statement implied he didn't have the final decision. I reckon some deal will be done to settle the concerns.SeanT said:
He's the fucking chairman of TFL.tlg86 said:
Was it Khan's decision? I know he's endorsed it but I thought the responsibility rests with TfL.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.0 -
There has been a lot of grumbling today but a significant number of Labour voters in London will back them regardless.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.0 -
Mark Senior RIP
Sad to report that Mark Senior sadly passed away last week. He had been a regular poster on PB for more than a decade and played a big part in our local elections discussions. He will be missed.
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Sad news and he will be missed by his loved ones and many on hereMikeSmithson said:Mark Senior RIP
Sad to report that Mark Senior sadly passed away last week. He had been a regular poster on PB for more than a decade and played a big part in our local elections discussions. He will be missed.0 -
Same here,had my fallouts with Mark but he was very good on local government.Sunil_Prasannan said:Shocked to hear of Mark Senior's passing. RIP
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Sorry to hear about Mark Senior's passing. RIP.0
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It’s fairly obvious that Uber will be reinstated shortly once they make some sort of public concession on employee rights or similar.MP_SE2 said:
There has been a lot of grumbling today but a significant number of Labour voters in London will back them regardless.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.0 -
Point of order - it's TfL, small "f".SeanT said:
He's the fucking chairman of TFL.tlg86 said:
Was it Khan's decision? I know he's endorsed it but I thought the responsibility rests with TfL.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.0 -
There are apparently 40,000 uber drivers in London but those black cab drivers who are reacting are 'over the moon'.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.
One black cabbie even cried 'tears of joy' apparently at the news. Though there was more blame laid at the company than the drivers sympathy was in limited supply.
'They didn’t care if we lost our jobs,” Chris said. “The option to be a black-cab driver has always been open to anyone who wants it – providing they’re fit and proper, they can do The Knowledge.”'
“I’m still happy with what I earn but I feel like it needs to be a level playing field,” Alex Collins, who said he was a newly licensed black-cabbie, told us.
“What’s not fair is that [Uber drivers] can drive a Toyota Prius which costs, like, £20,000, and us black-cabbies are forced to pay £60,000 for our car.”'
https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurasilver/black-cab-drivers-in-london-say-theyre-over-the-moon-about?utm_term=.uaL06PvXk#.eqaM3oRml0 -
The Tories could maybe kill two birds with one stone by making the MP for Maidenhead their mayoral candidate...SeanT said:
Sure. But his majority wasn't enormous. 320,000.MP_SE2 said:
There has been a lot of grumbling today but a significant number of Labour voters in London will back them regardless.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.
335,000 have now signed the petition. The fury on social media is intense.
And he's getting a record for breaking promises, and doing not much else.
If the Tories can find a decent candidate next time, I reckon he will struggle badly.0 -
Hopefully.not_on_fire said:
It’s fairly obvious that Uber will be reinstated shortly once they make some sort of public concession on employee rights or similar.MP_SE2 said:
There has been a lot of grumbling today but a significant number of Labour voters in London will back them regardless.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.
The attack of creativity and innovation is futile. If Uber is not reinstated, users will just move onto the next best alternative (which I need to find asap as black cabs are so last century).0 -
I asked about Jack the other day and someone said he'd been on Twitter very recently.ydoethur said:
I hate to sound morbid, but do we know that JackW is OK? He hasn't visited the site in months and I know he's had health problems.HYUFD said:
True but inevitably none of us are immortal (except perhaps JackW), a reminder that however heated the arguments on here to keep things in perspectiveanother_richard said:
There was another prominent LibDem, SES I think he was called, who died in 2009.HYUFD said:
RIP Indeed. I had some sparrings with him but he was a knowledgeable poster and a committed Liberal and I send my condolences to his familyanother_richard said:Some sad news to report.
I've just read that Mark Senior has died.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
On the whole we've done pretty well healthwise.
Sad news about Mark Senior. Slightly ironic to reflect his last ever post was celebrating your defeat in the Hemnall council by-election, where he described you as 'our very own HYUFD'!0 -
I was quite disappointed Zac didnt edge it.SeanT said:
Sure. But his majority wasn't enormous. 320,000.MP_SE2 said:
There has been a lot of grumbling today but a significant number of Labour voters in London will back them regardless.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.
335,000 have now signed the petition. The fury on social media is intense.
And he's getting a record for breaking promises, and doing not much else.
If the Tories can find a decent candidate next time, I reckon he will struggle badly.
Khan has been completely useless.
The Tories need to find someone similar to Andy Street.0 -
Zac's campaign was shameful.MP_SE2 said:
I was quite disappointed Zac didnt edge it.SeanT said:
Sure. But his majority wasn't enormous. 320,000.MP_SE2 said:
There has been a lot of grumbling today but a significant number of Labour voters in London will back them regardless.SeanT said:
How many black cab drivers are there? 20,000?HYUFD said:
Plenty of black cabbies here in Epping though who will not be complainingSeanT said:
Exactly right.foxinsoxuk said:
The connection between taxis, takeaways, drugs and grooming is an interesting one. Taxis and takeaways are great ways of laundering cash from prostitution and drugs, and the two forms of trafficking are often intimately joined.Pro_Rata said:On Uber, it needs to be said that string taxi regulation isn't about some vague sense of individual safety. The role of, not just some Muslims, but, very specifically, some taxi drivers, is central to understanding the abuse rings of the last few years. Taxis provide much of the opportunity for these to develop, in that both drugs suppliers and users and those in social care or at special schools are heavy users of taxi services. In fact, problems in the taxi industry around criminal opportunities predates the industry so heavily employing Muslims.
Poor taxi regulation and standards enforcement, for instance when council subcommittees rather than independent bodies look at disciplinary matters, have been strongly I mplicated in areas where abuse rings have occurred.
I don't know the specifics of the Uber / London case, but to have a body like TfL ensuring strong taxi regulation, especially on safeguarding, should be seen as an important thing.
By using electronic payment, Uber may well not be involved.
320,000 signatories to that petition to keep Uber, and it's only been going six hours.
Sadiq Khan may have just blown up his political career.
He's potentially lost half a million votes. Maybe a million. I don't think non-Londoners understand how transformative - and positive - Uber has been in the capital: especially for Khan's demographic.
Women, minorities, autistic people, people in Zone 3 and 4, young people, students - they're the ones who adored Uber, they're the ones Khan has just kicked in the face.
335,000 have now signed the petition. The fury on social media is intense.
And he's getting a record for breaking promises, and doing not much else.
If the Tories can find a decent candidate next time, I reckon he will struggle badly.
Khan has been completely useless.
The Tories need to find someone similar to Andy Street.0 -
The Uber change.org petition rubs me up the wrong way. It’s a corporate petition that they’re actively lobbying customers uk-wide to sign by email.0
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Very sorry to hear about Mark Senior. I send my condolences to his family and to all who knew him.0
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Oh, I'm very sorry to hear that and sincerely echo all previous commiserations.MikeSmithson said:Mark Senior RIP
Sad to report that Mark Senior sadly passed away last week. He had been a regular poster on PB for more than a decade and played a big part in our local elections discussions. He will be missed.0 -
You could use some of the London transport infrastructure seeing as thats whera large part of transport investments gone lately0
