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The Tories will not win back the Remain voters they lost last week by putting the likes of Davis, Gove and Boris at the top of their ticket. Hammond has to be the man.SouthamObserver said:
Hammond as PM +Davidson on Scotland with Gove or Davis as Chancellor would be the best longer term bet but the Tories will try and go as far into the 5 year term as possible without an election, secretly backed by the SNP on thatHYUFD said:
Anything is possible. But, I doubt it with May as leader.Casino_Royale said:
Does this maybe imply there could still be a way for Con to salvage this in a second election if they bin May and get a leader who is likable and who the public would trust with Brexit?GIN1138 said:
A Boris-Davidson combo would have the stardust, but Boris can't be PM.
A technically competent team would be Davis-Gove, Davis as PM and Gove in DexEU, but unpopular.
I would simply add that in Scotland, too many people are now very interested in politics, and should the SNP support, even by abstaining on a vote, the Tories, they will lose nearly all of their Central Belt supporters.
They have lost the NE Farming constituencies by the cockups with the EU payments (and the Scottish Government in line for a £60 million fine). While the Fishing constituencies are annoyed with the pro-EU line the SNP exec are taking.
Murrell and Sturgeon are fully aware that they have boxed themselves in and that the earth is looking like it might fill the grave on it's own without the need of any shovel.
Gossip has it that the SNP is in financial difficulty, such as the SNP Independence crowd fund of around £500k disappearing, and no major donations since the beginning of the year.
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If I was one of the 72 I think the blokes would come to regret it very quicklySouthamObserver said:
Moslem heaven for women clearly involves not being part of the 72.Beverley_C said:Completely Off-Topic:
Do women go to muslim heaven? We hear all about the men and martyrs with permanent erections and 72 virgins. If I was muslim, what would I get?
I am not sure I would want 72 blokes half-crazed by permanent priapism queuing at my bedside for eternity.0 -
The best thing for the country now (and for May herself, who is clearly losing the will to go on) would be to appoint Hammond as PM in a caretaker role.Richard_Nabavi said:
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.JackW said:One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.0 -
To a stage managed Corbyn photo op they are already openPulpstar said:
Jesus, open your eyes.HYUFD said:
The 42% who voted Tory will not be swayed by a stage managed Corbyn photo op not that there is likely to be another election for yeats now anyway despite Corbyn's bleatingPulpstar said:
I'm as concerned about Corbyn as you. But I can see how this all looks to the wider public - not good, not good at all for the Tories.Casino_Royale said:
Nah. He cares about his ideology.Pulpstar said:Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares.
Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
Individuals are expendable for the greater good in pursuing Marxist ideology.
Hence the "red flag" with the blood of the martyred dead.0 -
How about Halloween? 'I'm your Conservative candidate. Trick or treat?'SouthamObserver said:
How short could a contested Tory leadership election be? When is the German general election? Maybe we should time our next one to coincide with that. The Tories would do well to try to get one sorted outside of university term time.Richard_Nabavi said:
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.JackW said:One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.0 -
IIRC, the timing is up to the 1922 Committee. They could probably keep it quite short but the problem would be organising the poll of members.SouthamObserver said:How short could a contested Tory leadership election be?
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My 500/1 betting slip fervently agrees with you.Bobajob_PB said:
The best thing for the country now (and for May herself, who is clearly losing the will to go on) would be to appoint Hammond as PM in a caretaker role.Richard_Nabavi said:
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.JackW said:One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.0 -
The Tories should bring back the magic circle and ditch leadership elections.0
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Am I right in deducing that the only practical reason why she would need to cling on until after the Queen's speech is that the Tories don't have a candidate they're willing to coronate, otherwise there wouldn't be any immediate implications for Corbyn being asked to form a government?MaxPB said:
I think what will happen is she'll pass the queens speech and then resign, so we'll be in minority government and not hand over Jez.SouthamObserver said:
How short could a contested Tory leadership election be? When is the German general election? Maybe we should time our next one to coincide with that. The Tories would do well to try to get one sorted outside of university term time.Richard_Nabavi said:
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.JackW said:One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.0 -
That'd be the best idea I think.MaxPB said:
I think what will happen is she'll pass the queens speech and then resign, so we'll be in minority government and not hand over Jez.SouthamObserver said:
How short could a contested Tory leadership election be? When is the German general election? Maybe we should time our next one to coincide with that. The Tories would do well to try to get one sorted outside of university term time.Richard_Nabavi said:
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.JackW said:One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.0 -
The Mansion House dinner has been cancelled altogether.0
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He appears to have empathy.HYUFD said:
To a stage managed Corbyn photo op they are already openPulpstar said:
Jesus, open your eyes.HYUFD said:
The 42% who voted Tory will not be swayed by a stage managed Corbyn photo op not that there is likely to be another election for yeats now anyway despite Corbyn's bleatingPulpstar said:
I'm as concerned about Corbyn as you. But I can see how this all looks to the wider public - not good, not good at all for the Tories.Casino_Royale said:
Nah. He cares about his ideology.Pulpstar said:Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares.
Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
Individuals are expendable for the greater good in pursuing Marxist ideology.
Hence the "red flag" with the blood of the martyred dead.0 -
Risible. There is no plan. There is no government.Richard_Nabavi said:
How odd.Scott_P said:@PhilipHammondUK: In view of the Grenfell Tower tragedy, I have withdrawn from giving the Mansion House speech tonight. My thoughts are with local community.
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YupRichard_Nabavi said:The Mansion House dinner has been cancelled altogether.
The City of London Corporation has decided to cancel the event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-402883580 -
The building was managed by a residents association quango - not the government.Pong said:
No.TGOHF said:Hammond was probably told by his drippingly right on advisors that it wouldn't be good to be seen at this point in his penguin suit as it would make him look like a "toff" and hence "out of touch" with fire victims.
A large number of people have just been involuntarily cremated, probably as a result of the people in power f*cking up by coating their building in fuel and telling them not to try to save themselves.
The people in power cannot carry on as normal.
This return of Bambi eyed Blairesque obsession with "optics" is why the country is going to the dogs.
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Hang on a cotton picking minute. The PM visited Manchester when their victims were "unaccounted for" and the "emergency response" was ongoing.HYUFD said:
She may well do later but as the fire is only now beginning to peter out and victims remain unaccounted for the emergency response is still ongoing, shameless for any Corbynistas to try and make political capital out of itJackW said:
Why then did the PM visit the victims and relatives of the Manchester bombing .... er .... during a general election campaign and then not visit the relatives and victims today .... er .... after a general election.HYUFD said:
She met emergency services who actually coordinate the response as she should as PM managing the response, exploiting this tragedy for political ends is the height of bad tasteTheuniondivvie said:
Going well so far.Stark_Dawning said:
Interesting. It appears that project 'Revive Theresa' is already under way.AndyJS said:"Nick Timothy sticks the knife into election guru Sir Lynton Crosby over the Tory poll disaster"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4603966/Nick-Timothy-criticises-Sir-Lynton-Crosby-election.html
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/875322620522180608
It's a mystery.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.0 -
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She's not going to get better at this, is she? She's definitely very like Gordon Brown but without the built up credibility. It's very like the last year or two of Jonah has been compressed into a month.0
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Would that be needed if there was only one candidate?Richard_Nabavi said:
IIRC, the timing is up to the 1922 Committee. They could probably keep it quite short but the problem would be organising the poll of members.SouthamObserver said:How short could a contested Tory leadership election be?
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SF must be due in No. 100
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Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not an outright lie. Right?0
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PB Scotch threads, a timeline.
Ooh, that's really going to wind up the Nats!
Marked absence of Nats, wound up or otherwise.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing possible Brexit outcomes and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
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No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.Jonathan said:Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
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Before or after Hammond pulled out?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.Jonathan said:Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
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No, if there's only one candidate, or if all but one drop out during the MPs' voting rounds, it can all be done very quickly.logical_song said:
Would that be needed if there was only one candidate?Richard_Nabavi said:
IIRC, the timing is up to the 1922 Committee. They could probably keep it quite short but the problem would be organising the poll of members.SouthamObserver said:How short could a contested Tory leadership election be?
Another uncontested leadership change isn't ideal, but it might be the least bad option in the circumstances.0 -
Is that the event where they dress up in white bow ties etc? The optics of that under the circumstances would be utterly appalling.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.Jonathan said:Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
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I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament0
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@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn says "properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary" for those left homeless by the #GrenfellTowerFire0
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That's the eventPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that the event where they dress up in white bow ties etc? The optics of that under the circumstances would be utterly appalling.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.Jonathan said:Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
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To be clear, I don't write threads to wind up anyone. They're written to express a viewpoint genuinely held, with supporting evidence.Theuniondivvie said:PB Scotch threads, a timeline.
Ooh, that's really going to wind up the Nats!
Marked absence of Nats, wound up or otherwise.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing Brexit and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
Below the line I might be a little freer.0 -
It's not a contested leadership election (what Southam asked about) without one.logical_song said:
Would that be needed if there was only one candidate?Richard_Nabavi said:
IIRC, the timing is up to the 1922 Committee. They could probably keep it quite short but the problem would be organising the poll of members.SouthamObserver said:How short could a contested Tory leadership election be?
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Quite right too. Not the best image to have city big wigs quaffing caviar and champagne while the remains of their fellow citizens are being recovered from the wreckage. The real question is what happens to the food?Richard_Nabavi said:The Mansion House dinner has been cancelled altogether.
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But she is just the caretaker - she has switched off and is just waiting to go. I thought would tell us in September to let the candidates impress (or not) conference, but think she will announce by end of June.JackW said:
Hang on a cotton picking minute. The PM visited Manchester when their victims were "unaccounted for" and the "emergency response" was ongoing.HYUFD said:
She may well do later but as the fire is only now beginning to peter out and victims remain unaccounted for the emergency response is still ongoing, shameless for any Corbynistas to try and make political capital out of itJackW said:
Why then did the PM visit the victims and relatives of the Manchester bombing .... er .... during a general election campaign and then not visit the relatives and victims today .... er .... after a general election.HYUFD said:
She met emergency services who actually coordinate the response as she should as PM managing the response, exploiting this tragedy for political ends is the height of bad tasteTheuniondivvie said:
Going well so far.Stark_Dawning said:
Interesting. It appears that project 'Revive Theresa' is already under way.AndyJS said:"Nick Timothy sticks the knife into election guru Sir Lynton Crosby over the Tory poll disaster"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4603966/Nick-Timothy-criticises-Sir-Lynton-Crosby-election.html
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/875322620522180608
It's a mystery.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.0 -
Actually I'm wrong. It just means there's no chance of an election coming at a good time for Labour.Lucian_Fletcher said:I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
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If she appointed Hammond as acting PM and pre-announced her resignation as party leader on a future date, would anyone dare challenge him?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, if there's only one candidate, or if all but one drop out during the MPs' voting rounds, it can all be done very quickly.logical_song said:
Would that be needed if there was only one candidate?Richard_Nabavi said:
IIRC, the timing is up to the 1922 Committee. They could probably keep it quite short but the problem would be organising the poll of members.SouthamObserver said:How short could a contested Tory leadership election be?
Another uncontested leadership change isn't ideal, but it might be the least bad option in the circumstances.0 -
How many is he taking in ?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn says "properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary" for those left homeless by the #GrenfellTowerFire
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One can imagine Boris positioning himself behind the scrum in case the ball appeared.williamglenn said:If she appointed Hammond as acting PM and pre-announced her resignation as party leader on a future date, would anyone dare challenge him?
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To be honest it is the same when I post NI threads normally because most posters know more about Westminster than the smaller nations. The only reason NI has become interesting is the DUP dynamic.Theuniondivvie said:PB Scotch threads, a timeline.
Ooh, that's really going to wind up the Nats!
Marked absence of Nats, wound up or otherwise.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing possible Brexit outcomes and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
no need to get narky about it. But the thread header is right imho. Sturgeon seems to be in denial as to her precarious position.
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Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?0 -
Her first focus must be the emergency services given the situation is still ongoing not staging a photo op a la the Dear LeaderJackW said:
Hang on a cotton picking minute. The PM visited Manchester when their victims were "unaccounted for" and the "emergency response" was ongoing.HYUFD said:
She may well do later but as the fire is only now beginning to peter out and victims remain unaccounted for the emergency response is still ongoing, shameless for any Corbynistas to try and make political capital out of itJackW said:
Why then did the PM visit the victims and relatives of the Manchester bombing .... er .... during a general election campaign and then not visit the relatives and victims today .... er .... after a general election.HYUFD said:
She met emergency services who actually coordinate the response as she should as PM managing the response, exploiting this tragedy for political ends is the height of bad tasteTheuniondivvie said:
Going well so far.Stark_Dawning said:
Interesting. It appears that project 'Revive Theresa' is already under way.AndyJS said:"Nick Timothy sticks the knife into election guru Sir Lynton Crosby over the Tory poll disaster"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4603966/Nick-Timothy-criticises-Sir-Lynton-Crosby-election.html
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/875322620522180608
It's a mystery.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.0 -
Scott, I'd give up if I were you. St. Jeremy (or is JC someone greater?) can do no wrong. Every pronouncement is great.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn says "properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary" for those left homeless by the #GrenfellTowerFire
His acolyte, the venerable John Mac, rightfully wants to overthrow the party democratically voted for, by mass civil unrest.
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The upside with car crash Brexit is potentially massive for Sinn Fein.Lucian_Fletcher said:I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
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Kensington Palace is pretty close and not used for much.0
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That appeals to my republican tendencies.Jonathan said:Kensington Palace is pretty close and not used for much.
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So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.Slackbladder said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?0 -
i feel sure you could take in few to your Sussex mansion..Jonathan said:Kensington Palace is pretty close and not used for much.
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Vastly better. Call the DUP bluff.Verulamius said:Re conservatives and DUP. No deal is better than a bad deal?
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Some PB Tories wish the PM to stay for a few years to cover the BREXIT negotiations and provide an element of political stability that they say would be absent if a new leadership election occurred immediately.
After this past week do they think that now? We have a Prime Minister in office but not in power, a government in office but not in power and completely dependent on the whims of the DUP. I would say we almost certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a two month interregnum took place and a new PM took office.
On May 7, 1940, the British Conservative MP, Leo Amery, uttered these words at Neville Chamberlain during a House of Commons debate on the British-French expedition in Norway that had ended in failure. Amery repeated Oliver Cromwell’s (paraphrased) words on April 20, 1653, to a Parliament attempting to remain after it had voted to dissolve itself:
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
Prime Minister May ... go, just go.0 -
@HarrietHarman: Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors0
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If there is any Margaux that's been opened, I'll have a few bottles as no doubt would Mr NabaviRobC said:
Quite right too. Not the best image to have city big wigs quaffing caviar and champagne while the remains of their fellow citizens are being recovered from the wreckage. The real question is what happens to the food?Richard_Nabavi said:The Mansion House dinner has been cancelled altogether.
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Great idea. Put the royals' vast holdings to some decent use for a change.Jonathan said:Kensington Palace is pretty close and not used for much.
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Radio Ulster visited West Belfast and every single person interviewed said they would never support SF taking their seats.Pulpstar said:
The upside with car crash Brexit is potentially massive for Sinn Fein.Lucian_Fletcher said:I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
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Spot onPulpstar said:
Yes, but that isn't the situation right now. People are focussed rightly or wrongly on the Tories being in favour of slum landlords and against ordinary decent people.tlg86 said:
Perhaps Jezza should have gone and visited the families of the victims of IRA bombings.Pulpstar said:Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares.
Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
I'm sure May cares about the victims and families of the fire too.
That is the perception. Expect Tory support to head to 35ish next poll.0 -
"PM elect" Corbyn isn't suffering from hubris - no sirree..
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817120/Grenfell-Tower-fire-London-Jeremy-Corbyn-government-cuts-local-authority-funding0 -
About 40% at the last count.TGOHF said:
How many is he taking in ?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn says "properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary" for those left homeless by the #GrenfellTowerFire
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Using what powers, I wonder?Scott_P said:@HarrietHarman: Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors
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Aye, even if they wanted to - they could not do so.Lucian_Fletcher said:
Radio Ulster visited West Belfast and every single person interviewed said they would never support SF taking their seats.Pulpstar said:
The upside with car crash Brexit is potentially massive for Sinn Fein.Lucian_Fletcher said:I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
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Seriously WTF: The governement should not be allowed to override property rights. Even if for a good cause.Scott_P said:@HarrietHarman: Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors
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I assume she thinks the Court of public opinion has the rights to seize property...Richard_Nabavi said:
Using what powers, I wonder?Scott_P said:@HarrietHarman: Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors
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Thanks for the advice. My cup runneth over with the stuff.Lucian_Fletcher said:
To be honest it is the same when I post NI threads normally because most posters know more about Westminster than the smaller nations. The only reason NI has become interesting is the DUP dynamic.Theuniondivvie said:PB Scotch threads, a timeline.
Ooh, that's really going to wind up the Nats!
Marked absence of Nats, wound up or otherwise.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing possible Brexit outcomes and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
no need to get narky about it. But the thread header is right imho. Sturgeon seems to be in denial as to her precarious position.0 -
VG, gold star!Chris said:
About 40% at the last count.TGOHF said:
How many is he taking in ?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn says "properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary" for those left homeless by the #GrenfellTowerFire
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London property crash incoming when Corbyn gets in.
Foreign investors will lose all confidence when they start paying attention.0 -
I wonder if the hold-up in the DUP talks is because they'd prefer May to step down? After all, propping up the government could have a cost for them too.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yes very much so. The issue has become May and her personality, her dithering on some issues and failure to move on others. It is all around May.GIN1138 said:
Does this maybe imply there could still be a way for Con to salvage this in a second election if they bin May and get a leader who is likable and who the public would trust with Brexit?
I am not saying that it will by any means solve all the problems but when you have people like me who are instinctively anti-Corbyn thinking that May is not much better then you surely have to say that things will be better if she is gone. Plus that is the narrative that has built up.
Of course the DUP can't force her to step down, but if they pull out of the talks she might have to anyway.0 -
Lol! Are we living in an authoritarian regime yet? We will be when Corbyn and these muppets get in.Scott_P said:@HarrietHarman: Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors
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You say De Keyser; I say De Keyser.Richard_Nabavi said:
Using what powers, I wonder?Scott_P said:@HarrietHarman: Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors
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This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.0
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Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.Lucian_Fletcher said:
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.Slackbladder said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
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We knew that already. Not just London, of course.Pulpstar said:London property crash incoming when Corbyn gets in.
(And no, this isn't good news for those wanting to buy property, because the market would just seize up altogether).0 -
Below ?Slackbladder said:This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.
They're in charge !0 -
https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/875344478663475200Slackbladder said:This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.
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Well I'll be putting my house on the market for 100-105 shortly. Just some drive weeding to do ^^;Richard_Nabavi said:
We knew that already. Not just London, of course.Pulpstar said:London property crash incoming when Corbyn gets in.
(And no, this isn't good news for those wanting to buy property, because the market would just seize up altogether).0 -
Come the revolution I wonder who will be the Anastasia of the Royal Family.Slackbladder said:This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.
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SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.SouthamObserver said:
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.Lucian_Fletcher said:
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.Slackbladder said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
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Nonsense. Next week we will have the State Opening of Parliament and also Royal Ascot: far more dressing up and live on telly. It looks like the City cancelled the Mansion House speech after and because the Chancellor withdrew.Philip_Thompson said:
Is that the event where they dress up in white bow ties etc? The optics of that under the circumstances would be utterly appalling.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.Jonathan said:Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
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Yes I agree, however there are some leaders who can change the narrative and remain popular, Bill Clinton for example.nunu said:0 -
Quite right to cancel it then.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's the eventPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that the event where they dress up in white bow ties etc? The optics of that under the circumstances would be utterly appalling.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.Jonathan said:Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
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The tories are getting themselves into a situation that they are going to have to find a way to suspend the negotiations until things are reslved as to who and what the government are. The only viable way is to rescind article 50 rather than rely on the 27 agreeing an extension. Now what follows next is anybodies guess0
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Except the narrative Corbyn is hoping to control is to abandon the rule of law.SouthamObserver said:Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. Transaction volumes have been low ever since the financial crisis because price stickiness and stimulus measures have kept prices above a normal clearing level. It is true to say that if prices started falling then there isn't much natural support until they come down *a lot*, but at some point the market would spring into life.Richard_Nabavi said:(And no, this isn't good news for those wanting to buy property, because the market would just seize up altogether).
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Her inherent crapness shows no sign of abating now the GE is out of the way. However it is now preferably or if not two years time in my betting book. Her leaving in the middle of negotiations would be shambolic.JackW said:Some PB Tories wish the PM to stay for a few years to cover the BREXIT negotiations and provide an element of political stability that they say would be absent if a new leadership election occurred immediately.
After this past week do they think that now? We have a Prime Minister in office but not in power, a government in office but not in power and completely dependent on the whims of the DUP. I would say we almost certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a two month interregnum took place and a new PM took office.
On May 7, 1940, the British Conservative MP, Leo Amery, uttered these words at Neville Chamberlain during a House of Commons debate on the British-French expedition in Norway that had ended in failure. Amery repeated Oliver Cromwell’s (paraphrased) words on April 20, 1653, to a Parliament attempting to remain after it had voted to dissolve itself:
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
Prime Minister May ... go, just go.0 -
Funny how the left is suddenly in favour of dangerous reckless populism if it's in their favour....0
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Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.SouthamObserver said:Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
People need to get a grip.
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Rescinding requires the agreement of the 27. Verhofstadt has made clear that would involve , at least, the loss of any perceived perks we had.nichomar said:The tories are getting themselves into a situation that they are going to have to find a way to suspend the negotiations until things are reslved as to who and what the government are. The only viable way is to rescind article 50 rather than rely on the 27 agreeing an extension. Now what follows next is anybodies guess
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I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.Slackbladder said:
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.SouthamObserver said:
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.Lucian_Fletcher said:
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.Slackbladder said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
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Oh, I'm sure Corbyn has lost Jewish votes for Labour. But thankfully for them there aren't all that many Jews in this country. Plenty of other faiths, mind.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/875344478663475200Slackbladder said:This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.
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I'd imagine every local paper in the land has already contacted MPs and councils to ask about similar blocks.SouthamObserver said:Our newly elected Labour MP just Tweeted this. I wonder if other Labour MPs are doing the same:
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It's like Lammy immediatly saying 'people' should be arrested.
No, we should have an investigation, and if there is evidence of wrongdoing, then people should be arrested.
To have the labour party suddenly decending into dangerous popularism becuase they had a whiff of success should worry every sensible individual.0 -
and rising by the latest survation opinion poll.Chris said:
About 40% at the last count.TGOHF said:
How many is he taking in ?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn says "properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary" for those left homeless by the #GrenfellTowerFire
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I am not suggesting it happen. I am saying that Corbyn is being left to set the narrative. I am really surprised that the Tories cannot see the danger in this.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.SouthamObserver said:Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
People need to get a grip.
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Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?SouthamObserver said:
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.Slackbladder said:
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.SouthamObserver said:
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.Lucian_Fletcher said:
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.Slackbladder said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
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As opposed to the centre right who are providing the nation with a Prime Minister in name only and a "government" lurking in the shadows with the DUP neither of whom has a mandate to govern.Slackbladder said:This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.
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At the risk of sounding gauche, I will point out again that I did say that Theresa May's apparently sky-high approval ratings flattered to deceive.0
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I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.Scott_P said:0 -
Of course they have to be defended. Who on the Tory side is going to do it? And, more important, in a way that people can relate to.Scott_P said:
Except the narrative Corbyn is hoping to control is to abandon the rule of law.SouthamObserver said:Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
While I agree with you in this situation defending property rights is unpleasant and unpopular, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do
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The experience in previous house price collapses is simply that owners stay put and wait for the good times to return, waiting years if necessary. If they have a mortgage they can't move anyway. So the only sales you get are forced sales from repossessions and from those who are desperate - which are usually the lowest-quality homes.williamglenn said:I'm not sure I agree with that. Transaction volumes have been low ever since the financial crisis because price stickiness and stimulus measures have kept prices above a normal clearing level. It is true to say that if prices started falling then there isn't much natural support until they come down *a lot*, but at some point the market would spring into life.
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Squatters' rights only seem to apply in Downing Street these days.Slackbladder said:
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?SouthamObserver said:
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.Slackbladder said:
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.SouthamObserver said:
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.Lucian_Fletcher said:
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.Slackbladder said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE 6 mins6 minutes ago
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
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So not gauche.AlastairMeeks said:At the risk of sounding gauche, I will point out again that I did say that Theresa May's apparently sky-high approval ratings flattered to deceive.
I wonder how the guy who consistently said 'Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown' is feeling at the moment?0