Does this maybe imply there could still be a way for Con to salvage this in a second election if they bin May and get a leader who is likable and who the public would trust with Brexit?
Anything is possible. But, I doubt it with May as leader.
A Boris-Davidson combo would have the stardust, but Boris can't be PM.
A technically competent team would be Davis-Gove, Davis as PM and Gove in DexEU, but unpopular.
Hammond as PM +Davidson on Scotland with Gove or Davis as Chancellor would be the best longer term bet but the Tories will try and go as far into the 5 year term as possible without an election, secretly backed by the SNP on that
The Tories will not win back the Remain voters they lost last week by putting the likes of Davis, Gove and Boris at the top of their ticket. Hammond has to be the man.
I would simply add that in Scotland, too many people are now very interested in politics, and should the SNP support, even by abstaining on a vote, the Tories, they will lose nearly all of their Central Belt supporters.
They have lost the NE Farming constituencies by the cockups with the EU payments (and the Scottish Government in line for a £60 million fine). While the Fishing constituencies are annoyed with the pro-EU line the SNP exec are taking.
Murrell and Sturgeon are fully aware that they have boxed themselves in and that the earth is looking like it might fill the grave on it's own without the need of any shovel.
Gossip has it that the SNP is in financial difficulty, such as the SNP Independence crowd fund of around £500k disappearing, and no major donations since the beginning of the year.
One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.
The best thing for the country now (and for May herself, who is clearly losing the will to go on) would be to appoint Hammond as PM in a caretaker role.
Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares. Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
Nah. He cares about his ideology. Individuals are expendable for the greater good in pursuing Marxist ideology. Hence the "red flag" with the blood of the martyred dead.
I'm as concerned about Corbyn as you. But I can see how this all looks to the wider public - not good, not good at all for the Tories.
The 42% who voted Tory will not be swayed by a stage managed Corbyn photo op not that there is likely to be another election for yeats now anyway despite Corbyn's bleating
Jesus, open your eyes.
To a stage managed Corbyn photo op they are already open
One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.
How short could a contested Tory leadership election be? When is the German general election? Maybe we should time our next one to coincide with that. The Tories would do well to try to get one sorted outside of university term time.
How about Halloween? 'I'm your Conservative candidate. Trick or treat?'
One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.
The best thing for the country now (and for May herself, who is clearly losing the will to go on) would be to appoint Hammond as PM in a caretaker role.
One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.
How short could a contested Tory leadership election be? When is the German general election? Maybe we should time our next one to coincide with that. The Tories would do well to try to get one sorted outside of university term time.
I think what will happen is she'll pass the queens speech and then resign, so we'll be in minority government and not hand over Jez.
Am I right in deducing that the only practical reason why she would need to cling on until after the Queen's speech is that the Tories don't have a candidate they're willing to coronate, otherwise there wouldn't be any immediate implications for Corbyn being asked to form a government?
One does wonder who the hell is advising the PM - Momentum ?!?
She's developing a habit of partial appearances. Her "advisers" were clearly concerned about the PM meeting residents or bereaved relatives in public and getting a verbal tirade for her trouble. If necessary she should have met them in private. Just meeting the emergency services in public gives the impression of tokenism and a photo op.
She could have dampened down any anger by announcing the public inquiry at the meeting.
I don't think this painful spectacle is going to last much longer, TBH.
How short could a contested Tory leadership election be? When is the German general election? Maybe we should time our next one to coincide with that. The Tories would do well to try to get one sorted outside of university term time.
I think what will happen is she'll pass the queens speech and then resign, so we'll be in minority government and not hand over Jez.
Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares. Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
Nah. He cares about his ideology. Individuals are expendable for the greater good in pursuing Marxist ideology. Hence the "red flag" with the blood of the martyred dead.
I'm as concerned about Corbyn as you. But I can see how this all looks to the wider public - not good, not good at all for the Tories.
The 42% who voted Tory will not be swayed by a stage managed Corbyn photo op not that there is likely to be another election for yeats now anyway despite Corbyn's bleating
Jesus, open your eyes.
To a stage managed Corbyn photo op they are already open
@PhilipHammondUK: In view of the Grenfell Tower tragedy, I have withdrawn from giving the Mansion House speech tonight. My thoughts are with local community.
How odd.
Risible. There is no plan. There is no government.
Hammond was probably told by his drippingly right on advisors that it wouldn't be good to be seen at this point in his penguin suit as it would make him look like a "toff" and hence "out of touch" with fire victims.
No.
A large number of people have just been involuntarily cremated, probably as a result of the people in power f*cking up by coating their building in fuel and telling them not to try to save themselves.
The people in power cannot carry on as normal.
The building was managed by a residents association quango - not the government.
This return of Bambi eyed Blairesque obsession with "optics" is why the country is going to the dogs.
She met emergency services who actually coordinate the response as she should as PM managing the response, exploiting this tragedy for political ends is the height of bad taste
Why then did the PM visit the victims and relatives of the Manchester bombing .... er .... during a general election campaign and then not visit the relatives and victims today .... er .... after a general election.
It's a mystery.
She may well do later but as the fire is only now beginning to peter out and victims remain unaccounted for the emergency response is still ongoing, shameless for any Corbynistas to try and make political capital out of it
Hang on a cotton picking minute. The PM visited Manchester when their victims were "unaccounted for" and the "emergency response" was ongoing.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.
She's not going to get better at this, is she? She's definitely very like Gordon Brown but without the built up credibility. It's very like the last year or two of Jonah has been compressed into a month.
I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
The Mansion House dinner has been cancelled altogether.
Quite right too. Not the best image to have city big wigs quaffing caviar and champagne while the remains of their fellow citizens are being recovered from the wreckage. The real question is what happens to the food?
She met emergency services who actually coordinate the response as she should as PM managing the response, exploiting this tragedy for political ends is the height of bad taste
Why then did the PM visit the victims and relatives of the Manchester bombing .... er .... during a general election campaign and then not visit the relatives and victims today .... er .... after a general election.
It's a mystery.
She may well do later but as the fire is only now beginning to peter out and victims remain unaccounted for the emergency response is still ongoing, shameless for any Corbynistas to try and make political capital out of it
Hang on a cotton picking minute. The PM visited Manchester when their victims were "unaccounted for" and the "emergency response" was ongoing.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.
But she is just the caretaker - she has switched off and is just waiting to go. I thought would tell us in September to let the candidates impress (or not) conference, but think she will announce by end of June.
I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
Actually I'm wrong. It just means there's no chance of an election coming at a good time for Labour.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing possible Brexit outcomes and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
To be honest it is the same when I post NI threads normally because most posters know more about Westminster than the smaller nations. The only reason NI has become interesting is the DUP dynamic.
no need to get narky about it. But the thread header is right imho. Sturgeon seems to be in denial as to her precarious position.
She met emergency services who actually coordinate the response as she should as PM managing the response, exploiting this tragedy for political ends is the height of bad taste
Why then did the PM visit the victims and relatives of the Manchester bombing .... er .... during a general election campaign and then not visit the relatives and victims today .... er .... after a general election.
It's a mystery.
She may well do later but as the fire is only now beginning to peter out and victims remain unaccounted for the emergency response is still ongoing, shameless for any Corbynistas to try and make political capital out of it
Hang on a cotton picking minute. The PM visited Manchester when their victims were "unaccounted for" and the "emergency response" was ongoing.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.
Her first focus must be the emergency services given the situation is still ongoing not staging a photo op a la the Dear Leader
I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
The upside with car crash Brexit is potentially massive for Sinn Fein.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Some PB Tories wish the PM to stay for a few years to cover the BREXIT negotiations and provide an element of political stability that they say would be absent if a new leadership election occurred immediately.
After this past week do they think that now? We have a Prime Minister in office but not in power, a government in office but not in power and completely dependent on the whims of the DUP. I would say we almost certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a two month interregnum took place and a new PM took office.
On May 7, 1940, the British Conservative MP, Leo Amery, uttered these words at Neville Chamberlain during a House of Commons debate on the British-French expedition in Norway that had ended in failure. Amery repeated Oliver Cromwell’s (paraphrased) words on April 20, 1653, to a Parliament attempting to remain after it had voted to dissolve itself:
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
The Mansion House dinner has been cancelled altogether.
Quite right too. Not the best image to have city big wigs quaffing caviar and champagne while the remains of their fellow citizens are being recovered from the wreckage. The real question is what happens to the food?
If there is any Margaux that's been opened, I'll have a few bottles as no doubt would Mr Nabavi
I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
The upside with car crash Brexit is potentially massive for Sinn Fein.
Radio Ulster visited West Belfast and every single person interviewed said they would never support SF taking their seats.
Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares. Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
Perhaps Jezza should have gone and visited the families of the victims of IRA bombings.
I'm sure May cares about the victims and families of the fire too.
Yes, but that isn't the situation right now. People are focussed rightly or wrongly on the Tories being in favour of slum landlords and against ordinary decent people. That is the perception. Expect Tory support to head to 35ish next poll.
I don't know why people keep suggesting SF taking their seats. There's no upside for either Labour or SF. Certainly with the maths as they are. Almost guarantees a five year parliament
The upside with car crash Brexit is potentially massive for Sinn Fein.
Radio Ulster visited West Belfast and every single person interviewed said they would never support SF taking their seats.
Aye, even if they wanted to - they could not do so.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing possible Brexit outcomes and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
To be honest it is the same when I post NI threads normally because most posters know more about Westminster than the smaller nations. The only reason NI has become interesting is the DUP dynamic.
no need to get narky about it. But the thread header is right imho. Sturgeon seems to be in denial as to her precarious position.
Thanks for the advice. My cup runneth over with the stuff.
Does this maybe imply there could still be a way for Con to salvage this in a second election if they bin May and get a leader who is likable and who the public would trust with Brexit?
Yes very much so. The issue has become May and her personality, her dithering on some issues and failure to move on others. It is all around May.
I am not saying that it will by any means solve all the problems but when you have people like me who are instinctively anti-Corbyn thinking that May is not much better then you surely have to say that things will be better if she is gone. Plus that is the narrative that has built up.
I wonder if the hold-up in the DUP talks is because they'd prefer May to step down? After all, propping up the government could have a cost for them too.
Of course the DUP can't force her to step down, but if they pull out of the talks she might have to anyway.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
Hammond reasons pulling out of the Mansion House speech are weird, if not a outright lie. Right?
No, the whole event has been cancelled by The City of London Corporation.
Is that the event where they dress up in white bow ties etc? The optics of that under the circumstances would be utterly appalling.
Nonsense. Next week we will have the State Opening of Parliament and also Royal Ascot: far more dressing up and live on telly. It looks like the City cancelled the Mansion House speech after and because the Chancellor withdrew.
People criticised Churchills reaction to the great smog in London in 1952.
I suspect no matter what she does at this point it will be wrong. Same happened to Brown when he lost all credibility, no matter what he did he was made fun of.
Yes I agree, however there are some leaders who can change the narrative and remain popular, Bill Clinton for example.
The tories are getting themselves into a situation that they are going to have to find a way to suspend the negotiations until things are reslved as to who and what the government are. The only viable way is to rescind article 50 rather than rely on the 27 agreeing an extension. Now what follows next is anybodies guess
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
Except the narrative Corbyn is hoping to control is to abandon the rule of law.
While I agree with you in this situation defending property rights is unpleasant and unpopular, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do
(And no, this isn't good news for those wanting to buy property, because the market would just seize up altogether).
I'm not sure I agree with that. Transaction volumes have been low ever since the financial crisis because price stickiness and stimulus measures have kept prices above a normal clearing level. It is true to say that if prices started falling then there isn't much natural support until they come down *a lot*, but at some point the market would spring into life.
Some PB Tories wish the PM to stay for a few years to cover the BREXIT negotiations and provide an element of political stability that they say would be absent if a new leadership election occurred immediately.
After this past week do they think that now? We have a Prime Minister in office but not in power, a government in office but not in power and completely dependent on the whims of the DUP. I would say we almost certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a two month interregnum took place and a new PM took office.
On May 7, 1940, the British Conservative MP, Leo Amery, uttered these words at Neville Chamberlain during a House of Commons debate on the British-French expedition in Norway that had ended in failure. Amery repeated Oliver Cromwell’s (paraphrased) words on April 20, 1653, to a Parliament attempting to remain after it had voted to dissolve itself:
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
Prime Minister May ... go, just go.
Her inherent crapness shows no sign of abating now the GE is out of the way. However it is now preferably or if not two years time in my betting book. Her leaving in the middle of negotiations would be shambolic.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
People need to get a grip.
(Or maybe they have a grip and are just playing cynical and heartless politics?)
The tories are getting themselves into a situation that they are going to have to find a way to suspend the negotiations until things are reslved as to who and what the government are. The only viable way is to rescind article 50 rather than rely on the 27 agreeing an extension. Now what follows next is anybodies guess
Rescinding requires the agreement of the 27. Verhofstadt has made clear that would involve , at least, the loss of any perceived perks we had.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Oh, I'm sure Corbyn has lost Jewish votes for Labour. But thankfully for them there aren't all that many Jews in this country. Plenty of other faiths, mind.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
People need to get a grip.
(Or maybe they have a grip and are just playing cynical and heartless politics?)
I am not suggesting it happen. I am saying that Corbyn is being left to set the narrative. I am really surprised that the Tories cannot see the danger in this.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
This is the extremely dangerous side of what could happen if labour ever got into power. The loony left are just lurking below the surface.
As opposed to the centre right who are providing the nation with a Prime Minister in name only and a "government" lurking in the shadows with the DUP neither of whom has a mandate to govern.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
Except the narrative Corbyn is hoping to control is to abandon the rule of law.
While I agree with you in this situation defending property rights is unpleasant and unpopular, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do
Of course they have to be defended. Who on the Tory side is going to do it? And, more important, in a way that people can relate to.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Transaction volumes have been low ever since the financial crisis because price stickiness and stimulus measures have kept prices above a normal clearing level. It is true to say that if prices started falling then there isn't much natural support until they come down *a lot*, but at some point the market would spring into life.
The experience in previous house price collapses is simply that owners stay put and wait for the good times to return, waiting years if necessary. If they have a mortgage they can't move anyway. So the only sales you get are forced sales from repossessions and from those who are desperate - which are usually the lowest-quality homes.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
Squatters' rights only seem to apply in Downing Street these days.
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I would simply add that in Scotland, too many people are now very interested in politics, and should the SNP support, even by abstaining on a vote, the Tories, they will lose nearly all of their Central Belt supporters.
They have lost the NE Farming constituencies by the cockups with the EU payments (and the Scottish Government in line for a £60 million fine). While the Fishing constituencies are annoyed with the pro-EU line the SNP exec are taking.
Murrell and Sturgeon are fully aware that they have boxed themselves in and that the earth is looking like it might fill the grave on it's own without the need of any shovel.
Gossip has it that the SNP is in financial difficulty, such as the SNP Independence crowd fund of around £500k disappearing, and no major donations since the beginning of the year.
The City of London Corporation has decided to cancel the event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40288358
This return of Bambi eyed Blairesque obsession with "optics" is why the country is going to the dogs.
What the public want is leadership. What the relatives and victims want is an empathetic leader not afraid of a few bad headlines in the Daily Mail and getting the raw views of those most effected.
In WWII all political leaders and the royal family regularly visited very recent scenes of total devastation. This PM has skulked away as if she has a total aversion to publicly meeting those she governs when the going gets tough. It's pitiful.
https://twitter.com/WillHeaven/status/875339144318373888
Ooh, that's really going to wind up the Nats!
Marked absence of Nats, wound up or otherwise.
Rapidly exhausted display of partial (in both senses) knowledge of Scottish politics.
Pokes disconsolately at soggy firework.
Goes back to micro analysing possible Brexit outcomes and Westminster musical chairs.
Rinse and repeat.
Another uncontested leadership change isn't ideal, but it might be the least bad option in the circumstances.
Below the line I might be a little freer.
no need to get narky about it. But the thread header is right imho. Sturgeon seems to be in denial as to her precarious position.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
His acolyte, the venerable John Mac, rightfully wants to overthrow the party democratically voted for, by mass civil unrest.
edit missed out a vital comma
After this past week do they think that now? We have a Prime Minister in office but not in power, a government in office but not in power and completely dependent on the whims of the DUP. I would say we almost certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a two month interregnum took place and a new PM took office.
On May 7, 1940, the British Conservative MP, Leo Amery, uttered these words at Neville Chamberlain during a House of Commons debate on the British-French expedition in Norway that had ended in failure. Amery repeated Oliver Cromwell’s (paraphrased) words on April 20, 1653, to a Parliament attempting to remain after it had voted to dissolve itself:
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
Prime Minister May ... go, just go.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817120/Grenfell-Tower-fire-London-Jeremy-Corbyn-government-cuts-local-authority-funding
Foreign investors will lose all confidence when they start paying attention.
Of course the DUP can't force her to step down, but if they pull out of the talks she might have to anyway.
(And no, this isn't good news for those wanting to buy property, because the market would just seize up altogether).
They're in charge !
While I agree with you in this situation defending property rights is unpleasant and unpopular, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do
Books are going to be written about this.
People need to get a grip.
(Or maybe they have a grip and are just playing cynical and heartless politics?)
No, we should have an investigation, and if there is evidence of wrongdoing, then people should be arrested.
To have the labour party suddenly decending into dangerous popularism becuase they had a whiff of success should worry every sensible individual.
I wonder how the guy who consistently said 'Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown' is feeling at the moment?