Some PB Tories wish the PM to stay for a few years to cover the BREXIT negotiations and provide an element of political stability that they say would be absent if a new leadership election occurred immediately.
After this past week do they think that now? We have a Prime Minister in office but not in power, a government in office but not in power and completely dependent on the whims of the DUP. I would say we almost certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a two month interregnum took place and a new PM took office.
On May 7, 1940, the British Conservative MP, Leo Amery, uttered these words at Neville Chamberlain during a House of Commons debate on the British-French expedition in Norway that had ended in failure. Amery repeated Oliver Cromwell’s (paraphrased) words on April 20, 1653, to a Parliament attempting to remain after it had voted to dissolve itself:
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
Prime Minister May ... go, just go.
Her inherent crapness shows no sign of abating now the GE is out of the way. However it is now preferably or if not two years time in my betting book. Her leaving in the middle of negotiations would be shambolic.
They haven't started yet. Get this wibbling bufooness out before they start, or revoke Article 50. May is a laughing stock and in no fit state to deal with our European partners
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
Lots of properties were requisitioned in WW2 for the greater good of the nation as a whole .
Corbyn isn't doing it for the optics. He just quite simply cares. Which is precisely why the optics are great for him.
Nah. He cares about his ideology. Individuals are expendable for the greater good in pursuing Marxist ideology. Hence the "red flag" with the blood of the martyred dead.
I'm as concerned about Corbyn as you. But I can see how this all looks to the wider public - not good, not good at all for the Tories.
The 42% who voted Tory will not be swayed by a stage managed Corbyn photo op not that there is likely to be another election for yeats now anyway despite Corbyn's bleating
Jesus, open your eyes.
To a stage managed Corbyn photo op they are already open
If Corbyn's is stage managed how is May's not? They are both there, both visiting people, except she is not visiting residents and he is. Hers is also stage managed in that case, just more poorly.
Leafleting in reasonably middle income areas during the election was struck by how many properties appeared to be unoccupied. Some almost derelict but other with some furniture in but obviously not lived in. Possibly 4-5%
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
I am not sure why you are arguing with me. I am not the one suggesting it. I am the one observing that it will resonate unless the Tories can find a convincing, engaging counter-argument. This is a politics website and so I make no excuse for talking through the politics. The common consensus on here was that the Manchester and London attacks would play into the Tories' hands because they are the party of law, order and security, and because of Corbyn's past. Labour realised that very quickly and countered. I am just saying that yesterday's tragedy, its setting and its context are tailor-made for Corbyn and his message. If the Tories do not begin to grasp that soon it is going to cost them.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
Lots of properties were requisitioned in WW2 for the greater good of the nation as a whole .
Leafleting in reasonably middle income areas during the election was struck by how many properties appeared to be unoccupied. Some almost derelict but other with some furniture in but obviously not lived in. Possibly 4-5%
Could well be people which are in care, or people which have passed awaw.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
People need to get a grip.
(Or maybe they have a grip and are just playing cynical and heartless politics?)
I am not suggesting it happen. I am saying that Corbyn is being left to set the narrative. I am really surprised that the Tories cannot see the danger in this.
Could have been nipped in bud if she had gone to speak to the residents and told them a task force was in place working at providing acceptable homes by the middle of next week.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
I am not sure why you are arguing with me. I am not the one suggesting it. I am the one observing that it will resonate unless the Tories can find a convincing, engaging counter-argument. This is a politics website and so I make no excuse for talking through the politics. The common consensus on here was that the Manchester and London attacks would play into the Tories' hands because they are the party of law, order and security, and because of Corbyn's past. Labour realised that very quickly and countered. I am just saying that yesterday's tragedy, its setting and its context are tailor-made for Corbyn and his message. If the Tories do not begin to grasp that soon it is going to cost them.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
People need to get a grip.
(Or maybe they have a grip and are just playing cynical and heartless politics?)
If there are problems with re-housing the victims and relatives then the government will take the full blame. There are government/armed forces facilities in the Greater London area that can be made available.
Conservatives better hope a minister, with a few brain cells, is ahead of the game. No waffle or excuses. Get a bloody grip.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Tories need to move fast here because if Corbyn becoming PM stops being this outrageous idea and starts being a normal and almost obvious choice, they are gone.
The Scotcon result was the only great bright spot of election night for me. Long-term though Scotlab will benefit most from any further weakening of the Nat brand. Predicting anything these days is nigh on impossible but the early signs shown by Corbyn's failure to embrace all of the Parliamentary party in his reshuffle suggests plenty of obstacles in the way yet of much greater success for Labour in the UK. They have a poll boost for now and I expect that to last a while but the Tory brand is also very resilient which a number of posters on here over the past few days have completely forgotten.
One of the oddest features of the overall result was the fact that even with a disastrous campaign the Tories gained 5+%.What they need soonish is a good leader and some interesting policies. I do wish Cameron and Osborne were back... or failing that some new blood as there is nothing in the current Cabinet to inspire.
The campaign was disastrous. They went into it on 43% and came out of it on 43%. (Meanwhile Labour went into it on 25% and came out of it on 40%.) The Tories gained compared to 2015, but that had happened already as some Labour voters switched because of Corbyn and (more significantly) Kippers switched after the referendum.
The main miscalculation the Tories made in calling the election, it seems to me, was discounting (or not even countenancing?) the idea that the opposition could consolidate. The Tories were always going to get 43%, which sounds like a winning score, but that leaves 57% for other parties. If you've killed the LibDems and Ukip, who else except Labour is the rational leftish voter going to vote for?
Corbyn says Kensington is a "tale of two cities" and says properties should be made available - "requisitioned if necessary" - for victims.
Errrr...what?
So this last day or so we seem to have had McDonnell advocating an insurrection and Corbyn trying to ignore property rights. They are lucky nobody notices.
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities? Someone on the Tory side needs to get a grip here or Corbyn is going to take full control of the narrative.
SO, we have the rule of law for a F***ING REASON. Yes I would defend property rights for everyone.
I know - I am all for property rights. But the Tories are allowing Corbyn to create the narrative and set the terms of the debate - and it is not your property or my property or anyone else's occupied property that he is talking about, but the ones owned by absentee multi-millionaires, who live abroad and keep their money offshore instead of paying tax.
Because they're rich it's ok to act illegally against them?
Lots of properties were requisitioned in WW2 for the greater good of the nation as a whole .
Are we just off the back of a 6-year world war?
No, a tower block has been on fire.
Go tell that to the PM's "advisers" but most importantly to the victims and relatives who have lost everything.
If the government is unable to act appropriately and decisively for a "tower block (that) has been on fire" then advise us what may be expected of them from an even greater emergency of cataclysmic proportions?
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
Right now, as people have been made homeless by this tragedy would you really want to be defending the property rights of absentee multi-millionaires who have only bought these houses and flats as investment opportunities?
Yes, of course. Wouldn't you, or have you abandoned principles such as the rule of law and also proportionate responses to problems? We are talking about housing a hundred families in a city of millions. This is a horrendous tragedy, but it's not something requiring declaration of a state of emergency under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
People need to get a grip.
(Or maybe they have a grip and are just playing cynical and heartless politics?)
If there are problems with re-housing the victims and relatives then the government will take the full blame. There are government/armed forces facilities in the Greater London area that can be made available.
Conservatives better hope a minister, with a few brain cells, is ahead of the game. No waffle or excuses. Get a bloody grip.
Precisely. Or give a revolutionary socialist such a head of steam he will be in Downing Street by the end of the year.
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
The priority now is not to win votes, but to get a functioning government again which won't make blunder after blunder.
At the risk of sounding gauche, I will point out again that I did say that Theresa May's apparently sky-high approval ratings flattered to deceive.
A few of us feel vindicated on that - if on little else that has happened over the last week.
Having been quoted in Private Eye admitting that I got huge amounts wrong, I'm taking every opportunity on the other side of the fence that I can get for the while.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
The Tories need to anoint Boris. Forget about about these dull-but-competent types - when the competent bit fades they're left naked. No, anoint Boris and do it now. If nothing else, he'll provide a bit of light relief for a country desperately in need of cheering up.
Something quite fundamental is happening in this country, and it all stems from 2008 and the failure of the establishment to regulate itself or punish itself for the mess it created. The hoarding of wealth by the elite, and the theft of public money by the same is beginning to become a recruiting sergeant for very left wing alternatives. In addition to this, we have all allowed a society to develop in which fame and fortune can be instantly obtained via text vote on reality shows or by the ability to kick a pigs bladder in a vague 20 degree arc. There's little drive to be successful further than that meaning 'celebrity' of the worst z list type. On the one hand, desire for accumulation of wealth and things above all else and the associated exposure to media that can go with it or facilitate it, and on the other the mugging off of public money to private, corporate hands. Then you have those that look upon the world and see that they have so little compared to their peers due to circumstance and dumb luck. It's a febrile powder keg. It's the idle wealth of the 20s and 30s set against the toil of the working man. Unsure where things will tip out but I can see wealth being replaced by striving, public access to technology replacing possessions, outcomes being judged on their public effect not how much money they generate. Intolerance of wealth, obscene wealth, will be a thing and will remain a thing. The times they are a changing.
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
Not the ludicrous Boris but someone who agrees with a soft Brexit that can carry the country. Hammond or Rudd are the obvious alternatives. Rudd apparently isn't bothered by the marginality of her seat.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
Something quite fundamental is happening in this country, and it all stems from 2008 and the failure of the establishment to regulate itself or punish itself for the mess it created. The hoarding of wealth by the elite, and the theft of public money by the same is beginning to become a recruiting sergeant for very left wing alternatives. In addition to this, we have all allowed a society to develop in which fame and fortune can be instantly obtained via text vote on reality shows or by the ability to kick a pigs bladder in a vague 20 degree arc. There's little drive to be successful further than that meaning 'celebrity' of the worst z list type. On the one hand, desire for accumulation of wealth and things above all else and the associated exposure to media that can go with it or facilitate it, and on the other the mugging off of public money to private, corporate hands. Then you have those that look upon the world and see that they have so little compared to their peers due to circumstance and dumb luck. It's a febrile powder keg. It's the idle wealth of the 20s and 30s set against the toil of the working man. Unsure where things will tip out but I can see wealth being replaced by striving, public access to technology replacing possessions, outcomes being judged on their public effect not how much money they generate. Intolerance of wealth, obscene wealth, will be a thing and will remain a thing. The times they are a changing.
Most people are far better off than they were 30 or 40 years ago, but they don't appreciate it IMO. For example a few decades ago most people couldn't afford to fly to somewhere nice in southern Europe, today almost everyone can. But people seem to take that sort of progress for granted and just focus on the things they'd like to have but can't afford. And people who point this out, like I've just done, find themselves on the receiving end of vicious abuse for daring to question their "rage".
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
The priority now is not to win votes, but to get a functioning government again which won't make blunder after blunder.
I have little doubt that Theresa May will have to stand down during the summer recess and that a new leader needs to be in place by the Autumn.
The House rises for its summer recess on 20 July. Based on Hammond's cancellation of the Mansion House speech, and all the other ministers not barking in the night time, I'm not certain we'll have to wait even that long.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
Brexit can be subtly changed from a destination to a direction. Something we sort of might like to do eventually with PM Leadsom.
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
The priority now is not to win votes, but to get a functioning government again which won't make blunder after blunder.
Something quite fundamental is happening in this country, and it all stems from 2008 and the failure of the establishment to regulate itself or punish itself for the mess it created. The hoarding of wealth by the elite, and the theft of public money by the same is beginning to become a recruiting sergeant for very left wing alternatives. In addition to this, we have all allowed a society to develop in which fame and fortune can be instantly obtained via text vote on reality shows or by the ability to kick a pigs bladder in a vague 20 degree arc. There's little drive to be successful further than that meaning 'celebrity' of the worst z list type. On the one hand, desire for accumulation of wealth and things above all else and the associated exposure to media that can go with it or facilitate it, and on the other the mugging off of public money to private, corporate hands. Then you have those that look upon the world and see that they have so little compared to their peers due to circumstance and dumb luck. It's a febrile powder keg. It's the idle wealth of the 20s and 30s set against the toil of the working man. Unsure where things will tip out but I can see wealth being replaced by striving, public access to technology replacing possessions, outcomes being judged on their public effect not how much money they generate. Intolerance of wealth, obscene wealth, will be a thing and will remain a thing. The times they are a changing.
Most people are far better off than they were 30 or 40 years ago, but they don't appreciate it IMO. For example a few decades ago most people couldn't afford to fly to somewhere nice in southern Europe, today almost everyone can. But people seem to take that sort of progress for granted and just focus on the things they'd like to have but can't afford. And people who point this out, like I've just done, find themselves on the receiving end of vicious abuse for daring to question their "rage".
True enough. We have allowed striving to become a dirty word and championed entitlement and possession. Except, bizarrely, for those most disadvantaged whom are now supposed to strive for the good of their immortal soul. Technology, and only technology, will set humanity free. If we can get it out of the hands of those that suppress and control it.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
The Tories have no right to seek a fresh general election.
As each day goes by Mr Corbyn looks more and more a Prime Minister of a government -in-waiting.His wisdom and magnanimity is shown by the olive branch to Owen Smith who,in return,has shown comradeship and solidarity in his noble acceptance.Labour is now a united party,the tribes have come together.The country is waiting and a strong and stable Mr Corbyn is ready to serve to prevent this DUP coalition of chaos from destroying the country.
That is my view. DD should be left running the Brexit negotiations, both to reassure the Leavers and because there's no time for anyone else to come up to speed.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
The Tories have no right to seek a fresh general election.
If they consider the country ungovernable they have a duty to seek one.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Tories need to move fast here because if Corbyn becoming PM stops being this outrageous idea and starts being a normal and almost obvious choice, they are gone.
As each day goes by Mr Corbyn looks more and more a Prime Minister of a government -in-waiting.His wisdom and magnanimity is shown by the olive branch to Owen Smith who,in return,has shown comradeship and solidarity in his noble acceptance.Labour is now a united party,the tribes have come together.The country is waiting and a strong and stable Mr Corbyn is ready to serve to prevent this DUP coalition of chaos from destroying the country.
Yes, there definitely should be a sarcasm emoticon here.
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
The priority now is not to win votes, but to get a functioning government again which won't make blunder after blunder.
Then it has to be Hammond.
Hammond's last budget was a disaster...
The search for the attributes that qualify Hammond goes on.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
The Tories have no right to seek a fresh general election.
If they consider the country ungovernable they have a duty to seek one.
I have little doubt that Theresa May will have to stand down during the summer recess and that a new leader needs to be in place by the Autumn.
The House rises for its summer recess on 20 July. Based on Hammond's cancellation of the Mansion House speech, and all the other ministers not barking in the night time, I'm not certain we'll have to wait even that long.
Apart from labour non of the opposition want an election anytime soon. The SNP are in a mess, Lid Dems have no leader and the DUP will not let Corbyn in. So no early election likely
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
The Tories have no right to seek a fresh general election.
If they consider the country ungovernable they have a duty to seek one.
Mrs May should announce that all local authority tower blocks will be reclad and fitted with external fire escape towers, or redeveloped to new designs.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
The Tories have no right to seek a fresh general election.
If they consider the country ungovernable they have a duty to seek one.
That is my view. DD should be left running the Brexit negotiations, both to reassure the Leavers and because there's no time for anyone else to come up to speed.
You went for Theresa though and look how she turned out.
These "safe but dull" types don't stand a chance against Corbyn, IMO.
Time to take a risk - Either Boris or possibly someone from the backbenches followed by an immediate election.
Needs to be someone who is believable on Brexit but who also has a bit of charisma and a bit of swagger.
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
That is my view. DD should be left running the Brexit negotiations, both to reassure the Leavers and because there's no time for anyone else to come up to speed.
You went for Theresa though and look how she turned out.
These "safe but dull" types don't stand a chance against Corbyn, IMO.
Time to take a risk - Either Boris or possibly someone from the backbenches followed by an immediate election.
Needs to be someone who is believable on Brexit but who also has a bit of charisma and a bit of swagger.
As each day goes by Mr Corbyn looks more and more a Prime Minister of a government -in-waiting.His wisdom and magnanimity is shown by the olive branch to Owen Smith who,in return,has shown comradeship and solidarity in his noble acceptance.Labour is now a united party,the tribes have come together.The country is waiting and a strong and stable Mr Corbyn is ready to serve to prevent this DUP coalition of chaos from destroying the country.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Just look at the drop.
The scales have dropped from the publics eyes. And, she is personally taking the blame for the current impasse. Rightly so. If the Tories have even a flake of backbone they will tell her she is gone this week and that she will stay as PM until her successor is appointed. And do as she is told by the party. The candidates must make clear if they will seek a mandate from the electorate, and when and the party machinery should be turned full square on Corbyn and the Labour leadership. I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
So your suggestion is May stays as caretaker, the Tories have a leadership election and then go to the country for another GE. That would take 3 months I guess. What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happens to it if they don't take that course. I'd assume David Davis goes into negotiations and is replaced if the Tories lose the ensuing GE by a Labour delegation. There's not really any other option.
The Tories have no right to seek a fresh general election.
If they consider the country ungovernable they have a duty to seek one.
Not any more. It's a matter for the House.
Well, yes, I mean seek the agreement of the house for one. If that's their conclusion. Otherwise they govern and wait till being voted down.
As each day goes by Mr Corbyn looks more and more a Prime Minister of a government -in-waiting.His wisdom and magnanimity is shown by the olive branch to Owen Smith who,in return,has shown comradeship and solidarity in his noble acceptance.Labour is now a united party,the tribes have come together.The country is waiting and a strong and stable Mr Corbyn is ready to serve to prevent this DUP coalition of chaos from destroying the country.
I cannot see a path for it to happen in the short term
Mrs May should announce that all local authority tower blocks will be reclad and fitted with external fire escape towers, or redeveloped to new designs.
That is my view. DD should be left running the Brexit negotiations, both to reassure the Leavers and because there's no time for anyone else to come up to speed.
You went for Theresa though and look how she turned out.
These "safe but dull" types don't stand a chance against Corbyn, IMO.
Time to take a risk - Either Boris or possibly someone from the backbenches followed by an immediate election.
Needs to be someone who is believable on Brexit but who also has a bit of charisma and a bit of swagger.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Tories need to move fast here because if Corbyn becoming PM stops being this outrageous idea and starts being a normal and almost obvious choice, they are gone.
It's when, not if. May is finished. So who? Boris is immensely popular among Tories but he is also very polarising. What votes would he win back that May lost?
The priority now is not to win votes, but to get a functioning government again which won't make blunder after blunder.
Then it has to be Hammond.
Hammond's last budget was a disaster...
Hammond's last budget was not a disaster. It lasted an entire week before the NIC u-turn. That's three whole days longer than the manifesto's dementia tax. Success is relative so on those grounds it is clear Philip Hammond is the right man for the job -- if anyone can find him, that is.
Theresa May has lost another of her long-serving aides after Will Tanner, deputy head of Downing Street’s policy unit, decided to quit.
His departure follows the resignation of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill, the prime minister’s co-chiefs of staff, as the Downing Street team is reshaped following the botched general election campaign.
That is my view. DD should be left running the Brexit negotiations, both to reassure the Leavers and because there's no time for anyone else to come up to speed.
You went for Theresa though and look how she turned out.
These "safe but dull" types don't stand a chance against Corbyn, IMO.
Time to take a risk - Either Boris or possibly someone from the backbenches followed by an immediate election.
Needs to be someone who is believable on Brexit but who also has a bit of charisma and a bit of swagger.
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
Mrs May should announce that all local authority tower blocks will be reclad and fitted with external fire escape towers, or redeveloped to new designs.
This may also affect a fair few shiny, expensive, newbuild / renovated residential blocks in cities throughout Britain and around the world.
Actually, malcolmg made a very prescient remark about Brexit, and its potential effect on indy, about ten months ago.
He said that if Brexit was seen to be difficult, and if it was seen to cause political instability, then that would be seriously bad for the independence cause, and seriously bad for the SNP, as another vote for another kind of separation would look really unappetising.
Turns out he was right.
He may have a limited capacity for root-vegetable related insults, but malcolmg is no fool.
He is no fool. I called this wrong. I thought Brexit would increase demand for independence. The other main thing I got wrong incidentally is that I thought Brexit would make no difference to immigration beyond the inevitable recession effect. I underestimated how much immigration is affected by making would-be immigrants unwelcome.
Most immigration is driven by money.
That's what I thought, mistakenly as it turned out. Saying foreigners not welcome is an effective way to reduce immigration. It's not "control" of any sensible kind, nor is it a sign of an open and civilised Britain that I would want to be a part of. But it does get the numbers down, which is all that May et al care about.
Well, Mays visit to the tower today was shambolic.
Should have met the residents, but assuming was worried she'd be criticised. To Corbyns credit, at least he got out there and showed some empathy.
She's doing massive long term damage to the tories now.
There are some advantages to her hanging on whilst the party takes time to think about what happens next but the preponderance of disadvantages builds by the day. Her credibility is completely shot and we are not in a position to cope with a limping and fatally wounded PM. She really needs to go now.
Mrs May should announce that all local authority tower blocks will be reclad and fitted with external fire escape towers, or redeveloped to new designs.
At the risk of sounding like a heartless bastard. How much would that cost?
The answer is yes, it should probably happen, but it'll take many many years to get that done, and cost a heck of a lot.
Fires of this magnitude are very rare, surely the best, boring course of action is to have an investigation, find out exactly what happened, and then reasonable costed recommendations from there.
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
July 10th is a Monday, seems a bit odd.
That's the date by which CCHQ has said candidates should apply. Would mean an August election possibly.
That is my view. DD should be left running the Brexit negotiations, both to reassure the Leavers and because there's no time for anyone else to come up to speed.
You went for Theresa though and look how she turned out.
These "safe but dull" types don't stand a chance against Corbyn, IMO.
Time to take a risk - Either Boris or possibly someone from the backbenches followed by an immediate election.
Needs to be someone who is believable on Brexit but who also has a bit of charisma and a bit of swagger.
Get Jeremy Clarkson into the Commons asap.
Appoint Hammond as caretaker.
May, Hammond, then Clarkson.
Vroom!
Yes, Clarkson is a bit shaky on Climate Change but at least he's a Remainer.
I know it sounds weird but this seems more normal. The Tories in power andhated by everyone and Labour loved because they're warm and fluffy.
Tories need to move fast here because if Corbyn becoming PM stops being this outrageous idea and starts being a normal and almost obvious choice, they are gone.
Too late, I'm afraid.
I assume you'll be targetting Wimbledon ?
Well, I can't justify tramping around the mean streets of Isleworth any more. I guess I'll do what I'm told.
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
July 10th is a Monday, seems a bit odd.
Day before I go on holiday. I might not be coming back....
I was knocked for saying it, but still maintain if Farage were a Con MP he would be leader and wipe the floor w Corbyn. Media friendly conviction and common touch.
People say he is divisive, but isn't (wasn't?) Jezza?
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
July 10th is a Monday, seems a bit odd.
That's the date by which CCHQ has said candidates should apply. Would mean an August election possibly.
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
July 10th is a Monday, seems a bit odd.
That's the date by which CCHQ has said candidates should apply. Would mean an August election possibly.
August election when everyones on holiday...that would be 'interesting'
Just for interest, but gossip and Guido are now suggesting a snap election for July 10th. Seems the negotiations with the DUP fell through and May used yesterday's tragedy to cover it up.
July 10th is a Monday, seems a bit odd.
That's the date by which CCHQ has said candidates should apply. Would mean an August election possibly.
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Tory support:
A mile wide, and an inch deep.
QED
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/875347435886981121
No, a tower block has been on fire.
This may mean MPs will block Boris from the final two - he may even not stand if he thinks he has no chance.
I expect them to do none of this. Because they are useless and entitled. They will be destroyed in the next election and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Conservatives better hope a minister, with a few brain cells, is ahead of the game. No waffle or excuses. Get a bloody grip.
The main miscalculation the Tories made in calling the election, it seems to me, was discounting (or not even countenancing?) the idea that the opposition could consolidate. The Tories were always going to get 43%, which sounds like a winning score, but that leaves 57% for other parties. If you've killed the LibDems and Ukip, who else except Labour is the rational leftish voter going to vote for?
Imagine using a tragedy to further class war.
If the government is unable to act appropriately and decisively for a "tower block (that) has been on fire" then advise us what may be expected of them from an even greater emergency of cataclysmic proportions?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/15/tory-election-research-found-boris-johnson-was-deeply-divisive
Paul Goodman"
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/06/farrons-sideswipe-at-the-ethos-of-the-party-he-led-was-truly-remarkable.html
Same amount as the number of refugees Yvette took in I'd guess.
What happens to the Brexit negotiations and the ticking clock in the meantime?
Then you have those that look upon the world and see that they have so little compared to their peers due to circumstance and dumb luck. It's a febrile powder keg. It's the idle wealth of the 20s and 30s set against the toil of the working man.
Unsure where things will tip out but I can see wealth being replaced by striving, public access to technology replacing possessions, outcomes being judged on their public effect not how much money they generate. Intolerance of wealth, obscene wealth, will be a thing and will remain a thing.
The times they are a changing.
As head of the provisional wing of the continuity Cameron army, I'm feeling vindicated.
As a Tory, I'm utterly devastated at the situation the party (and the country) finds itself in today.
'Oh evil rich people turfing out poor homeless onto the street'...Corbyn would climax himself over those headlines
They should be provided emergency accomodation but not in others houses against their rights.
Technology, and only technology, will set humanity free. If we can get it out of the hands of those that suppress and control it.
"Buggins turn" is what got us into this mess.
These "safe but dull" types don't stand a chance against Corbyn, IMO.
Time to take a risk - Either Boris or possibly someone from the backbenches followed by an immediate election.
Needs to be someone who is believable on Brexit but who also has a bit of charisma and a bit of swagger.
If Tories think Prime Minister May is the answer for one more day, let alone months or years then they have gone completely doolally.
If this tragedy had taken place 10 days ago then the exit poll would shown Jezza as largest party leader and heading for Downing Street.
Theresa May has lost another of her long-serving aides after Will Tanner, deputy head of Downing Street’s policy unit, decided to quit.
His departure follows the resignation of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill, the prime minister’s co-chiefs of staff, as the Downing Street team is reshaped following the botched general election campaign.
https://www.ft.com/content/ad27bf00-51c2-11e7-bfb8-997009366969
Appoint Hammond as caretaker.
May, Hammond, then Clarkson.
Vroom!
Should have met the residents, but assuming was worried she'd be criticised. To Corbyns credit, at least he got out there and showed some empathy.
She's doing massive long term damage to the tories now.
The problem was emphatically not that she turned out too dull - quite the opposite.
Externally cladded leasehold flats are suspect.
The answer is yes, it should probably happen, but it'll take many many years to get that done, and cost a heck of a lot.
Fires of this magnitude are very rare, surely the best, boring course of action is to have an investigation, find out exactly what happened, and then reasonable costed recommendations from there.
People say he is divisive, but isn't (wasn't?) Jezza?