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I wasn't previously aware that Leavers had increased tuition fees to £9k per year.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
I had thought it was Osborne and Clegg.
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Which leavers? As most sane people keep stressing, both major parties are commited to Brexit. If one hadn't been, the other would have won by a distanceStark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
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His economic record was truly remarkable. Consistent growth despite the EU trying to commit hari kari with deflationary policies, record employment, deficit cut by 2/3, millions taken out of tax, National Living Wage, oh and he ran a campaign that won a majority too. What's not to like?FrankBooth said:
At what exactly? Decent political operator/behind the scenes manipulator but his record in office won't be fondly remembered and his skills as a newspaperman are yet to be determined.DavidL said:
No wonder he is so good.Alanbrooke said:
|George Osborne has worked for SatanHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ken Clarke has also worked for tobacco companies iirc.GeoffM said:
Non-SPAD experience of working in the outside world?nielh said:
Priti Patel is bad news . Look at her backstory. Lobbyist for British American Tobacco.Dadge said:
PP is off-puttingly arrogant. I wrote Boris off as having become a figure of ridicule, but if he could rebuild his reputation by emphasising that he would lead a good team, rather than giving the impression that he'd be a kind of British Trump, he could pull it off.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not for me. I would not actively oppose him but I think he would be more of a liability than an asset in the long run.HYUFD said:
None have the charisma required to beat Corbyn now and are all too establishment former Remain backers like May, only Boris doesJohnO said:Of the current cabinet members, my preference for the next leader would be:
Greg Clark
Amber Rudd
David Mundell (If we can't have Ruth, why not?)
All three are non-tribalists within the party and team players.
I think it has to be a Leaver and the only two I think would be suitable would be David Davis - for a safe pair of hands and because of his anti-statist views- or Priti Patel because she is young, intelligent, a very good communicator and has none of the baggage of the old post Thatcher wilderness years party.
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What was that statue about?Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
It looked like a #Maystone.
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A coronation is unlikey. The usual suspects are jockeying for position as we speak!partypoliticalorphan said:Conservative Party needs to be utterly focused, however unlikely.
The Cabinet and 1922 committee need to now take charge and agree a successor to Theresa May. No Leadership election but with the person in charge, in charge solely for the Brexit period and to deliver Brexit. Thsat person must then stand down in 2019 with a Conservative party leadership election at that time and ideally a General Election too.
They claim to be a party that puts the National Interest first - let's see.0 -
Scrapheap_as_was said:
Everyone becomes a Spurs fan eventuallyBobajob_PB said:Fantastic last 15 minutes at Hampden.
Kane. One of our own. Phew!
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Back in the days when I was allowed to write threads! This one wasn't very prescient mind, but still...Bobajob_PB said:
Labour's best plan is to stay in opposition and polish their nailsIanB2 said:
That it makes no sense for Labour to be trapped like this? Except to Tories.kyf_100 said:
It's the best option. Sticking Corbyn in as deputy PM as part of a grand coalition agreement sounds like madness at first thought, but for the Tories it makes sure Labour are as tied to the final outcome of Brexit as they are and is a way of governing without the toxic DUP. Both leaders also get to look all statesmanlike and putting their country above party. What's not to like?dr_spyn said:Offer Corbyn a Grand Coalition for a Brexit deal, a doctor's mandate to fix the UK.
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Mrs May and the Conservatives will be able to govern as a minority, supported by the DUP, for a considerable period.
Going into a formal coalition would be a mistake, as it would rule out ad hoc agreements with other parties.
It would be sensible for the Conservative government to bring in (sensible) people from across the aisle for Brexit negotiation. Make a magnanimous offer that the Brexit deal should transcend party politics. And then take it seriously. Nothing would be worse than bringing someone in for show, and then ignoring them.
And at the time of the next election, at some point post 2019, a new Leader will be needed (unless Mrs May has negotiated everything flawlessly). But that's a discussion for another day.0 -
A coronation is almost always a bad choice. Not tested in the fire.Mexicanpete said:
A coronation is unlikey. The usual suspects are jockeying for position as we speak!partypoliticalorphan said:Conservative Party needs to be utterly focused, however unlikely.
The Cabinet and 1922 committee need to now take charge and agree a successor to Theresa May. No Leadership election but with the person in charge, in charge solely for the Brexit period and to deliver Brexit. Thsat person must then stand down in 2019 with a Conservative party leadership election at that time and ideally a General Election too.
They claim to be a party that puts the National Interest first - let's see.0 -
Worth remembering that both Corbyn and McDonnell do positively want Brexit. A lot of their economic strategy depends on it. They favour a kinder, gentler version than the one the Tory right wants but they will not abandon it.0
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Apparently Leavers were also responsible for wanting to take away Winter Fuel Allowance and for poorly thought out Social Care proposals. It really is amazing what we can do when we put our minds to it even without knowing it.another_richard said:
I wasn't previously aware that Leavers had increased tuition fees to £9k per year.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
I had thought it was Osborne and Clegg.
The things you can learn on PB.
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Entirely thanks to Ruth Davidson.another_richard said:
The predictions of a Leave win boosting Scottish independence have certainly turned out to be wrong.Sean_F said:
The Scots seem to disagree.williamglenn said:
If Brexit goes ahead, yes. You can't have both Brexit and the union.Sean_F said:
Still think Scotland's about to secede because of Brexit?williamglenn said:
It was scheming and agitating for Brexit that has led your party and our country into the doomsday machine it is locked into. Brexiteers need to rethink quickly whether their judgement was correct.Casino_Royale said:Brexiters need to mobilise and organise.
It's quite clear what the bitter-ender Remainers are going to try to use this Parliament to do.
Scots are concerned about Brexit. In the circumstances it was natural to raise the possibility of independence. Sturgeon could easily have led the narrative if Ruth hadn't been in the ascendancy.0 -
Yeah, nice astroturfing there WerrityStark_Dawning said:I'm surprised that Dr Liam Fox hasn't been touted as a leadership possibility. Scottish is clearly the 'in thing' and that, coupled with his smouldering good looks and romantic history with pop babes, surely makes him the housewives' choice. And think of all those trade deals he's already negotiated across the globe. The man's simply awesome.
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She should have done it again. If she timed it right, Juncker would already be a few drinks in, and he would have been completely confused.Richard_Tyndall said:
How could she offer what has already been done?Pong said:
TM could have avoided all of this.Casino_Royale said:
If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.GIN1138 said:Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.
What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.
Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.
She could have offered A50 to the electorate.
"If you give me a mandate, tomorrow I will catch the 5.14 eurostar to brussels with this letter in my hand"
The A50 letter should have been the manifesto - but she wasn't prepared to trust the British people.
Now she's lost brexit.0 -
I voted Tory because I did not want Corbyn as PM, I know many others who did the same. Remainer's who usually go for the Tories voted to keep Corbyn out. I and they who you class as 80% of the electorate are not the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Given that 80% of the vote was for parties supporting Brexit I would suggest you are talking garbage.The_Taxman said:
Yes, I agree. May wanted a mandate for Brexit and she failed to get what she asked for. This election supersedes the referendum as she specifically asked for an increased majority to endorse her negotiating strategy. The Brexit brigade are in denial rather like the Remain voters have been since the referendum in 2016. To my mind the electorate want to do nothing, so on that basis I wonder if A50 can be retracted and a new settlement could be put in place with regard freedom of movement.
You are just frightened that Brexit has been superseded by this election result. May used to use Brexit as a mandate. I don't think she can now - Please just think on that.0 -
marke09 said:
Corbyn, Hezeltine and Osbourne on Andrew Marr tomorrow morning
Fair play!isam said:
Back in the days when I was allowed to write threads! This one wasn't very prescient mind, but still...Bobajob_PB said:
Labour's best plan is to stay in opposition and polish their nailsIanB2 said:
That it makes no sense for Labour to be trapped like this? Except to Tories.kyf_100 said:
It's the best option. Sticking Corbyn in as deputy PM as part of a grand coalition agreement sounds like madness at first thought, but for the Tories it makes sure Labour are as tied to the final outcome of Brexit as they are and is a way of governing without the toxic DUP. Both leaders also get to look all statesmanlike and putting their country above party. What's not to like?dr_spyn said:Offer Corbyn a Grand Coalition for a Brexit deal, a doctor's mandate to fix the UK.
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Agree. Death by a thousand cuts Major style for the Tories.Bobajob_PB said:
Labour's best plan is to stay in opposition and polish their nailsIanB2 said:
That it makes no sense for Labour to be trapped like this? Except to Tories.kyf_100 said:
It's the best option. Sticking Corbyn in as deputy PM as part of a grand coalition agreement sounds like madness at first thought, but for the Tories it makes sure Labour are as tied to the final outcome of Brexit as they are and is a way of governing without the toxic DUP. Both leaders also get to look all statesmanlike and putting their country above party. What's not to like?dr_spyn said:Offer Corbyn a Grand Coalition for a Brexit deal, a doctor's mandate to fix the UK.
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Very good.kyf_100 said:
That was before he came out for leave. Boris would struggle to win a raffle in London now if he bought all the tickets.HYUFD said:
Apart from Boris who has charisma and won Labour London twiceRichard_Tyndall said:
Well you are rapidly running out of choices then.HYUFD said:
Davis does not have the charisma required and Patel is too extreme for floating votersRichard_Tyndall said:
Not for me. I would not actively oppose him but I think he would be more of a liability than an asset in the long run.HYUFD said:
None have the charisma required to beat Corbyn now and are all too establishment former Remain backers like May, only Boris doesJohnO said:Of the current cabinet members, my preference for the next leader would be:
Greg Clark
Amber Rudd
David Mundell (If we can't have Ruth, why not?)
All three are non-tribalists within the party and team players.
I think it has to be a Leaver and the only two I think would be suitable would be David Davis - for a safe pair of hands and because of his anti-statist views- or Priti Patel because she is young, intelligent, a very good communicator and has none of the baggage of the old post Thatcher wilderness years party.
The fatal mistake we're all making, of course, is to concentrate on the leader not the policies.
While her performance was crap, it wasn't Theresa May who screwed up the election. It was her screw-you manifesto that was rejected.
Ditto Corbyn. Yes, he was a good campaigner, but people were really voting for popular policies like the end of tuition fees and nationalising the railways.0 -
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I don't see a coalition or formal arrangement with Labour. Rather the government makes a big show of consulting widely and then they adopt what's in the Labour manifesto. They need to get Labour to at least abstain. They might get through on SNP support but that's more problematic.Bobajob_PB said:
Labour should steer well clear. Let this toxic 'government' dig their own grave. Then take over in 2018/19 after the Tories are holed beneath the waterline.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It wasn't tuition fees that delivered London to Labouranother_richard said:
I wasn't previously aware that Leavers had increased tuition fees to £9k per year.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
I had thought it was Osborne and Clegg.
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Corbyn has a hardcore Bennite hatred for the EU. He's fairly good at hiding it so as not to upset the fuddyduddies in the PLP.isam said:
Which leavers? As most sane people keep stressing, both major parties are commited to Brexit. If one hadn't been, the other would have won by a distanceStark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
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Don't know much about him but is Barwell a good hire by May? Sign of going back to a more collective style of cabinet? Or more of the same?0
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The free market Thatcherite bit is a disaster. This country needs more redistribution, not less.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, he's very liberal, not obsessed about immigration, free market Thatcherite who won't be endorsing May's energy price plans.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good call x2.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger, so I'm not getting the job
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If Brexit doesn't happen I'll be voting for Jezza myself purely to watch him get into power and then burn Westminster to the ground (metaphorically speaking...)Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
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The great unmentioned so far. I can't believe people think the election was good for Remain. May has been weakened but Labour's eurosceptic leadership has been hugely strengthened.SouthamObserver said:Worth remembering that both Corbyn and McDonnell do positively want Brexit. A lot of their economic strategy depends on it. They favour a kinder, gentler version than the one the Tory right wants but they will not abandon it.
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I doubt that there are many Conservative voters who want the sort of employment regulation removal some Conservative politicians would like.SouthamObserver said:Worth remembering that both Corbyn and McDonnell do positively want Brexit. A lot of their economic strategy depends on it. They favour a kinder, gentler version than the one the Tory right wants but they will not abandon it.
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I did say it was unlikely!Mexicanpete said:
A coronation is unlikey. The usual suspects are jockeying for position as we speak!partypoliticalorphan said:Conservative Party needs to be utterly focused, however unlikely.
The Cabinet and 1922 committee need to now take charge and agree a successor to Theresa May. No Leadership election but with the person in charge, in charge solely for the Brexit period and to deliver Brexit. Thsat person must then stand down in 2019 with a Conservative party leadership election at that time and ideally a General Election too.
They claim to be a party that puts the National Interest first - let's see.0 -
Cameron was never forgiven for dealing with that rotter Clegg. If outsiders with insufficiently hard-Brexit credentials were allowed to crash the Brexit party then the response would be swift and horrific. I think that's a non-starter.rcs1000 said:Mrs May and the Conservatives will be able to govern as a minority, supported by the DUP, for a considerable period.
Going into a formal coalition would be a mistake, as it would rule out ad hoc agreements with other parties.
It would be sensible for the Conservative government to bring in (sensible) people from across the aisle for Brexit negotiation. Make a magnanimous offer that the Brexit deal should transcend party politics. And then take it seriously. Nothing would be worse than bringing someone in for show, and then ignoring them.
And at the time of the next election, at some point post 2019, a new Leader will be needed (unless Mrs May has negotiated everything flawlessly). But that's a discussion for another day.0 -
In truth, nor do I think it was Brexit, by itself.midwinter said:
It wasn't tuition fees that delivered London to Labouranother_richard said:
I wasn't previously aware that Leavers had increased tuition fees to £9k per year.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
I had thought it was Osborne and Clegg.
The things you can learn on PB.
Kensington, for example, would almost certainly have been held comfortably if the words "citizens of nowhere" had never been uttered. The contempt that Conservatives have for London is obvious.0 -
The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.Bobajob_PB said:
Nope. Stark is right. Look at the numbers.Richard_Tyndall said:
Still talking utter bollocks I see Stark.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
Labour gain Kensington.
You alienate metropolitans and the young at your peril.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.0 -
THe DUP should be told to FUCK RIGHT OFF. No amount of bribery can be allowed to taint this deal.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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I don't think you've quite got the hang of how hung Parliaments work.SquareRoot said:
THe DUP should be told to FUCK RIGHT OFF. No amount of bribery can be allowed to taint this deal.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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It doesn't matter. Parliamentary arithmetic is such, the government can only get Brexit through with Labour acquiescence. What Labour thinks is more important than what any particular faction within the Conservative Party thinks. Theresa May sabotaged the we do it our way approach.Richard_Tyndall said:
Given that 80% of the vote was for parties supporting Brexit I would suggest you are talking garbage.The_Taxman said:
Yes, I agree. May wanted a mandate for Brexit and she failed to get what she asked for. This election supersedes the referendum as she specifically asked for an increased majority to endorse her negotiating strategy. The Brexit brigade are in denial rather like the Remain voters have been since the referendum in 2016. To my mind the electorate want to do nothing, so on that basis I wonder if A50 can be retracted and a new settlement could be put in place with regard freedom of movement.0 -
Sure. I agree in the main. However it is a little annoying when the more strident Leavers seem utterly unable to accept or comprehend that Brexit is at least in part to blame for poor results in some places..AlastairMeeks said:
In truth, nor do I think it was Brexit, by itself.midwinter said:
It wasn't tuition fees that delivered London to Labouranother_richard said:
I wasn't previously aware that Leavers had increased tuition fees to £9k per year.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
I had thought it was Osborne and Clegg.
The things you can learn on PB.
Kensington, for example, would almost certainly have been held comfortably if the words "citizens of nowhere" had never been uttered. The contempt that Conservatives have for London is obvious.0 -
Of course she can. Both the Tory and Labour manifestos included a pledge to see Brexit happen.The_Taxman said:
I voted Tory because I did not want Corbyn as PM, I know many others who did the same. Remainer's who usually go for the Tories voted to keep Corbyn out. I and they who you class as 80% of the electorate are not the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Given that 80% of the vote was for parties supporting Brexit I would suggest you are talking garbage.The_Taxman said:
Yes, I agree. May wanted a mandate for Brexit and she failed to get what she asked for. This election supersedes the referendum as she specifically asked for an increased majority to endorse her negotiating strategy. The Brexit brigade are in denial rather like the Remain voters have been since the referendum in 2016. To my mind the electorate want to do nothing, so on that basis I wonder if A50 can be retracted and a new settlement could be put in place with regard freedom of movement.
You are just frightened that Brexit has been superseded by this election result. May used to use Brexit as a mandate. I don't think she can now - Please just think on that.
From the Labour manifesto:
"We will build a close co-operative future relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners."
From the Tory manifesto:
"We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union."
If you voted Tory or Labour you voted for Brexit like it or not.0 -
The contortions for lefties to hate this will be interesting to watch... presume instead they just go on TM's loss of powerAlastairMeeks said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of how hung Parliaments work.SquareRoot said:
THe DUP should be told to FUCK RIGHT OFF. No amount of bribery can be allowed to taint this deal.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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chortleSquareRoot said:
THe DUP should be told to FUCK RIGHT OFF. No amount of bribery can be allowed to taint this deal.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/status/873587397220610049
so your logic is the Tories fail and Jezza goes in to govt
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There's a lot of truth in this. The clue is in the name: Brexit. British Exit. The Tories were stupid to take Brexit on as a Tory-party affair.FF43 said:The key points are these:
The only thing that matters in the next two years is Brexit. That's because we have a clock ticking AND a gun to our head. Theresa May chose to put them there but we can't take them away now. We must focus on Brexit over these two years and legislate for nothing else that could get in its way.
Only the Conservatives can provide a working government for the next two years.
Only Labour (definitely) and the SNP (maybe) can supply the numbers to get the Brexit deals through. The DUP can't do it because of the high probability of a rebellion by numbers of Tory MPs.
So the Conservative government needs to implement Labour's plan for Brexit by consensus. This implies maximum Single Market.
The government can ignore hard Brexiteers in its own ranks to get Brexit through, as long as it has Labour on its side.
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Not sure you get how this Coalition thing works. It doesn't involve another party just agreeing to vote for your policies (unless the other party is the Lib Dems of course but even they seem to have learned).SquareRoot said:
THe DUP should be told to FUCK RIGHT OFF. No amount of bribery can be allowed to taint this deal.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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I think I will give TV a miss tomorrow morning, as Toynbee, Thornberry, Osborne and Heseltine are on. Daggers being sharpened at this very moment, no doubt.0
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How fortunate we know what Osborne predicted:DavidL said:
His economic record was truly remarkable. Consistent growth despite the EU trying to commit hari kari with deflationary policies, record employment, deficit cut by 2/3, millions taken out of tax, National Living Wage, oh and he ran a campaign that won a majority too. What's not to like?FrankBooth said:
At what exactly? Decent political operator/behind the scenes manipulator but his record in office won't be fondly remembered and his skills as a newspaperman are yet to be determined.DavidL said:
No wonder he is so good.Alanbrooke said:
|George Osborne has worked for SatanHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ken Clarke has also worked for tobacco companies iirc.GeoffM said:
Non-SPAD experience of working in the outside world?nielh said:
Priti Patel is bad news . Look at her backstory. Lobbyist for British American Tobacco.Dadge said:
PP is off-puttingly arrogant. I wrote Boris off as having become a figure of ridicule, but if he could rebuild his reputation by emphasising that he would lead a good team, rather than giving the impression that he'd be a kind of British Trump, he could pull it off.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not for me. I would not actively oppose him but I think he would be more of a liability than an asset in the long run.HYUFD said:
None have the charisma required to beat Corbyn now and are all too establishment former Remain backers like May, only Boris doesJohnO said:Of the current cabinet members, my preference for the next leader would be:
Greg Clark
Amber Rudd
David Mundell (If we can't have Ruth, why not?)
All three are non-tribalists within the party and team players.
I think it has to be a Leaver and the only two I think would be suitable would be David Davis - for a safe pair of hands and because of his anti-statist views- or Priti Patel because she is young, intelligent, a very good communicator and has none of the baggage of the old post Thatcher wilderness years party.
Toxic.
BURN HER
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/7846849/Budget-2010-Full-text-of-George-Osbornes-statement.html
How many more hundreds of billions did he borrow than he said he would ?
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I think I have but doing such deals would inevitably weaken an already damaged Prime Minister. Laboiur would have a field day. No thanks ..AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of how hung Parliaments work.SquareRoot said:
THe DUP should be told to FUCK RIGHT OFF. No amount of bribery can be allowed to taint this deal.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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There is no support for a Pro-EU centre right political force. It will always get swamped and destroyed by the much larger Pro-UK centre right political force.williamglenn said:
The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.Bobajob_PB said:
Nope. Stark is right. Look at the numbers.Richard_Tyndall said:
Still talking utter bollocks I see Stark.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
Labour gain Kensington.
You alienate metropolitans and the young at your peril.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.0 -
...and I said unlikey! Time to send back the English 'O' level. Sorry!partypoliticalorphan said:
I did say it was unlikely!Mexicanpete said:
A coronation is unlikey. The usual suspects are jockeying for position as we speak!partypoliticalorphan said:Conservative Party needs to be utterly focused, however unlikely.
The Cabinet and 1922 committee need to now take charge and agree a successor to Theresa May. No Leadership election but with the person in charge, in charge solely for the Brexit period and to deliver Brexit. Thsat person must then stand down in 2019 with a Conservative party leadership election at that time and ideally a General Election too.
They claim to be a party that puts the National Interest first - let's see.0 -
I was at University with Gavin, and he was President when I when the ran the ball, so we spent a lot of time together. I have a lot of time for him: he's a competent, unideological guy.jonny83 said:Don't know much about him but is Barwell a good hire by May? Sign of going back to a more collective style of cabinet? Or more of the same?
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Yes, I agree. May wanted a mandate for Brexit and she failed to get what she asked for. This election supersedes the referendum as she specifically asked for an increased majority to endorse her negotiating strategy. The Brexit brigade are in denial rather like the Remain voters have been since the referendum in 2016. To my mind the electorate want to do nothing, so on that basis I wonder if A50 can be retracted and a new settlement could be put in place with regard freedom of movement.The_Taxman said:The Prime Minister called this election to get a mandate for her vision of Brexit, she said. She didn't get it. Sufficient numbers of the public prioritised other matters when voting to deprive her of her majority.
Brexit needs to be rethought. It's no longer an internal Conservative party affair.
The PM is finished as she can no longer claim the mandate from the referendum guides her as a newer national election fought by her on Brexit has proved inconclusive.
Thanks for trying to input into the real debate about what's best for the UK. But I'm afraid they are more interested in the internal workings of the Tory party do I give a f.. F.. who leads them no but I'm biased or ignorant. They could have added stupid but you do fealing it's time to give up0 -
I think some people are over-reacting re the DUP. Let's see what happens, before rushing to judgement.
Gavin Barwell, an excellent choice for Chief of Staff. Well liked and a very effective communicator.0 -
Sounds like we're returning to the 'beer and sandwiches' era of Wilson and Sunny Jim, with minister filing into smoke-filled rooms to agree murky deals. What a humiliation for Theresa. A few weeks ago she had a 200+ majority within her grasp.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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And if Osborne could borrow hundreds of billions more than he said he would then why would voters think Corbyn borrowing a bit more to fund public services and student tuition fees be so dangerous ?another_richard said:
How fortunate we know what Osborne predicted:DavidL said:
His economic record was truly remarkable. Consistent growth despite the EU trying to commit hari kari with deflationary policies, record employment, deficit cut by 2/3, millions taken out of tax, National Living Wage, oh and he ran a campaign that won a majority too. What's not to like?FrankBooth said:
At what exactly? Decent political operator/behind the scenes manipulator but his record in office won't be fondly remembered and his skills as a newspaperman are yet to be determined.DavidL said:
No wonder he is so good.Alanbrooke said:
|George Osborne has worked for SatanHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ken Clarke has also worked for tobacco companies iirc.GeoffM said:
Non-SPAD experience of working in the outside world?nielh said:
Priti Patel is bad news . Look at her backstory. Lobbyist for British American Tobacco.Dadge said:
PP is off-puttingly arrogant. I wrote Boris off as having become a figure of ridicule, but if he could rebuild his reputation by emphasising that he would lead a good team, rather than giving the impression that he'd be a kind of British Trump, he could pull it off.
Toxic.
BURN HER
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/7846849/Budget-2010-Full-text-of-George-Osbornes-statement.html
How many more hundreds of billions did he borrow than he said he would ?
You see how the failings can have consequences further along the line.0 -
I've said it before and I'll say again: Brexit was a trap. Whether it's a good thing or not in the long term, it's turned everything to sh*t in the short to medium term.FrankBooth said:
The trouble is that you now have a proper Brexit mandate - which the referendum didn't provide. Both Conservative and Labour parties went into the election saying they would implement it. How can parliament now scupper it?TheScreamingEagles said:
The election was to crush the Brexit saboteurs.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, the result of the 2016 referendum was about having the right to ignore the results of the 2016 referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Parliament is sovereign to do what it is like.Casino_Royale said:
Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.TheScreamingEagles said:
Parliament is sovereign right?Casino_Royale said:
If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.GIN1138 said:Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.
What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.
Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.
That's what the last referendum was all about right?
Or are you going down the route of your fellow Leaver Andrew Lillico that voting Leave is about giving more power to King Charles?
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She did offer what had already been done. That was her problem.Richard_Tyndall said:
How could she offer what has already been done?Pong said:
TM could have avoided all of this.Casino_Royale said:
If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.GIN1138 said:Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.
What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.
Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.
She could have offered A50 to the electorate.
"If you give me a mandate, tomorrow I will catch the 5.14 eurostar to brussels with this letter in my hand"
The A50 letter should have been the manifesto - but she wasn't prepared to trust the British people.
Now she's lost brexit.
Brexit was happening. It needed to be in doubt.
Half of the kippers didn't turn out for her. Their grievances got reframed and they voted alongside pissed off remainers to reject the status quo.
The result is that hard brexit is basically off the table now.0 -
Since I am not a Tory I have no interest in the internal workings of that party. Yet another thing to add to the list that you got wrong through ignorance, or maybe bias.nichomar said:
Thanks for trying to input into the real debate about what's best for the UK. But I'm afraid they are more interested in the internal workings of the Tory party do I give a f.. F.. who leads them no but I'm biased or ignorant. They could have added stupid but you do fealing it's time to give up0 -
Friend of Gummer who also wrote the manifesto and lost his seat. What could possibly go wroong!jonny83 said:Don't know much about him but is Barwell a good hire by May? Sign of going back to a more collective style of cabinet? Or more of the same?
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I think this is good from the DUP. The vote was as much about anti-austerity as it was for a soft Brexit.Stark_Dawning said:
Sounds like we're returning to the 'beer and sandwiches' era of Wilson and Sunny Jim, with minister filing into smoke-filled rooms to agree murky deals. What a humiliation for Theresa. A few weeks ago she had a 200+ majority within her grasp.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
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BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition0
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The mapping of several hugely surprising Labour wins onto areas that were also, very obviously Remain, makes the partly Brexit, and soft-Remain part, of this election unarguable.
There's also multiple other, sometimes contradictory, but clearly identifiable factors : the working-class UKIP move towards Corbyn, the increasing hatred for the Conservatives in some metropolitan areas, even independent of Brexit ; and most of all the shock of the young , in their almost unprecedented turnout in recent years, almost exactly contrasting with the shocking , and catastrophic, tory alienation of their core older voters, who presumably didn't turn out.0 -
the tories are just crap accountantsanother_richard said:
And if Osborne could borrow hundreds of billions more than he said he would then why would voters think Corbyn borrowing a bit more to fund public services and student tuition fees be so dangerous ?another_richard said:
How fortunate we know what Osborne predicted:DavidL said:
His economic record was truly remarkable. Consistent growth despite the EU trying to commit hari kari with deflationary policies, record employment, deficit cut by 2/3, millions taken out of tax, National Living Wage, oh and he ran a campaign that won a majority too. What's not to like?FrankBooth said:
At what exactly? Decent political operator/behind the scenes manipulator but his record in office won't be fondly remembered and his skills as a newspaperman are yet to be determined.DavidL said:
No wonder he is so good.Alanbrooke said:
|George Osborne has worked for SatanHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ken Clarke has also worked for tobacco companies iirc.GeoffM said:
Non-SPAD experience of working in the outside world?nielh said:
Priti Patel is bad news . Look at her backstory. Lobbyist for British American Tobacco.Dadge said:
PP is off-puttingly arrogant. I wrote Boris off as having become a figure of ridicule, but if he could rebuild his reputation by emphasising that he would lead a good team, rather than giving the impression that he'd be a kind of British Trump, he could pull it off.
Toxic.
BURN HER
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/7846849/Budget-2010-Full-text-of-George-Osbornes-statement.html
How many more hundreds of billions did he borrow than he said he would ?
You see how the failings can have consequences further along the line.
theyd rather pennypinch on a few billion and risk labour get in and and spend hundreds of billions
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Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.williamglenn said:
The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.Bobajob_PB said:
Nope. Stark is right. Look at the numbers.Richard_Tyndall said:
Still talking utter bollocks I see Stark.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
Labour gain Kensington.
You alienate metropolitans and the young at your peril.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
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Poor fellow was jobless thanks to May , wife and kids to support.LadyBucket said:I think some people are over-reacting re the DUP. Let's see what happens, before rushing to judgement.
Gavin Barwell, an excellent choice for Chief of Staff. Well liked and a very effective communicator.0 -
The DUP are best thought of as UKIP in sashes. They're not interested in sound money, they are very keen on reactionary identity issues.nunu said:
I think this is good from the DUP. The vote was as much about anti-austerity as it was for a soft Brexit.Stark_Dawning said:
Sounds like we're returning to the 'beer and sandwiches' era of Wilson and Sunny Jim, with minister filing into smoke-filled rooms to agree murky deals. What a humiliation for Theresa. A few weeks ago she had a 200+ majority within her grasp.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/status/873587397220610049-1 -
Do you remember Cameron in 06/07, when he used to supply Blair with the numbers to do legislation he agreed with? Labour needs to do that over Brexit. They now have the numbers to run the show and split the Government, probably fatally.
If we assume Corbyn doesn't particularly want to be PM at 70, but does want to complete his take over of he party, then a smiley clean Corbynite with a clean history and a bit of patriotism is going to win by a landslide next time.
To my mind, he only people who can mess that up are Labour if they fall apart.0 -
I get so bored of this. It is completely pointless. Obviously Osborne should have cut public spending much more savagely and forced the economy into recession and deflation rather than responding to actual events in the real world that were outwith his control but greatly impacted on the forecasts made in 2010.another_richard said:
And if Osborne could borrow hundreds of billions more than he said he would then why would voters think Corbyn borrowing a bit more to fund public services and student tuition fees be so dangerous ?another_richard said:
How fortunate we know what Osborne predicted:DavidL said:
His economic record was truly remarkable. Consistent growth despite the EU trying to commit hari kari with deflationary policies, record employment, deficit cut by 2/3, millions taken out of tax, National Living Wage, oh and he ran a campaign that won a majority too. What's not to like?FrankBooth said:
At what exactly? Decent political operator/behind the scenes manipulator but his record in office won't be fondly remembered and his skills as a newspaperman are yet to be determined.DavidL said:
No wonder he is so good.Alanbrooke said:
|George Osborne has worked for SatanHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ken Clarke has also worked for tobacco companies iirc.GeoffM said:
Non-SPAD experience of working in the outside world?nielh said:
Priti Patel is bad news . Look at her backstory. Lobbyist for British American Tobacco.Dadge said:
PP is off-puttingly arrogant. I wrote Boris off as having become a figure of ridicule, but if he could rebuild his reputation by emphasising that he would lead a good team, rather than giving the impression that he'd be a kind of British Trump, he could pull it off.
Toxic.
BURN HER
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/7846849/Budget-2010-Full-text-of-George-Osbornes-statement.html
How many more hundreds of billions did he borrow than he said he would ?
You see how the failings can have consequences further along the line.
Its really childish.
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Perhaps you could reform the Pro-Euro Conservatives.williamglenn said:
The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.Bobajob_PB said:
Nope. Stark is right. Look at the numbers.Richard_Tyndall said:
Still talking utter bollocks I see Stark.Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
Labour gain Kensington.
You alienate metropolitans and the young at your peril.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
Though I suspect they would do no better this time.0 -
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.0 -
anti auterity ?nunu said:
I think this is good from the DUP. The vote was as much about anti-austerity as it was for a soft Brexit.Stark_Dawning said:
Sounds like we're returning to the 'beer and sandwiches' era of Wilson and Sunny Jim, with minister filing into smoke-filled rooms to agree murky deals. What a humiliation for Theresa. A few weeks ago she had a 200+ majority within her grasp.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/status/873587397220610049
soft brexit ?
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It doesn't feel like that, it feels like supporting a team that went 4-0 down before half time in the away leg, came back with 3 goals in the second half and then in the last minute two opposition players got sent off for fighting each other. All to play for in the second leg.Scrapheap_as_was said:0 -
DUPed and CONned.0
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Not at all. If Corbyn had not chosen to embrace Brexit as well it would have been a whitewash. May's idiocy was not seeing that that was exactly what he would do since it aligned both his own personal views and his party's best interests perfectly.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
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That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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Why is TM still 1/5 to be next PM on Betfair? Doesn't the, now apparently confirmed, DUP deal make it certain?0
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Id go with thatAlastairMeeks said:
The DUP are best thought of as UKIP in sashes. They're not interested in sound money, they are very keen on reactionary identity issues.nunu said:
I think this is good from the DUP. The vote was as much about anti-austerity as it was for a soft Brexit.Stark_Dawning said:
Sounds like we're returning to the 'beer and sandwiches' era of Wilson and Sunny Jim, with minister filing into smoke-filled rooms to agree murky deals. What a humiliation for Theresa. A few weeks ago she had a 200+ majority within her grasp.Scrapheap_as_was said:Seems a bit extremist...
https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/status/873587397220610049
theyd fit quite happily in many Northern WC labour constituencies
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like LABratsJonathan said:DUPed and CONned.
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You're forgetting that Cameron chose to hold a referendum. Had he still been PM he could hardly have fought the same campaign as 2015.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.0 -
Today is a great day for vanity projects in Northern Ireland. Anyone want to bet on the first large infrastructure project we see announced?Sean_F said:
That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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I'm not actually sure what we disagree about I just think that it won't be negotiation rather than a tke it or leave it position and that those in Europe who could suffer by hard brexit have been planning for it already. So the longer we prevaricate the more they mitigate the impact to themselves. Yes I voted remain I've now moved on to wanting what, given the circumstances is best for the UK but the longer we piss about with sill uk political issues the worse it gets.Richard_Tyndall said:
Since I am not a Tory I have no interest in the internal workings of that party. Yet another thing to add to the list that you got wrong through ignorance, or maybe bias.nichomar said:
Thanks for trying to input into the real debate about what's best for the UK. But I'm afraid they are more interested in the internal workings of the Tory party do I give a f.. F.. who leads them no but I'm biased or ignorant. They could have added stupid but you do fealing it's time to give up0 -
even SF cant afford a UI nowrcs1000 said:
Today is a great day for vanity projects in Northern Ireland. Anyone want to bet on the first large infrastructure project we see announced?Sean_F said:
That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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We have real electoral evidence that your stance on the EU is backed by a very small minority.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
I mean, Kate Hoey got 31,000 votes when Gina Miller thought she'd be defeated.0 -
Only slightly less upsetting. No formal agreement please, no concessions!TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
Mrs May has the whip hand over Mrs Foster with the Queen's Speech. 'Support me, or I give you Corbyn' should be concession enough from Mrs May.0 -
Farage is 5/4 to be next UKIP leader.. has to be about 1/10 hasn't it?0
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When's this poll coming out telling us what the voters want Mrs May to do (Leave or Remain in Downing) ?0
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Sensible.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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you hvent done the westminster numbers have youMexicanpete said:
Only slightly less upsetting. No formal agreement please, no concessions!TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
Mrs May has the whip hand over Mrs Foster with the Queen's Speech. 'Support me, or I give you Corbyn' should be concession enough from Mrs May.0 -
A border wall?rcs1000 said:
Today is a great day for vanity projects in Northern Ireland. Anyone want to bet on the first large infrastructure project we see announced?Sean_F said:
That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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Perhaps we could cut Theresa May's head off that ridiculous statue thing put up on the cliffs at Dover and put the Queen's on it instead and then set it up somewhere uninflamatory like Londonderry.rcs1000 said:
Today is a great day for vanity projects in Northern Ireland. Anyone want to bet on the first large infrastructure project we see announced?Sean_F said:
That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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Depends if she lasts until State Opening?Quincel said:Why is TM still 1/5 to be next PM on Betfair? Doesn't the, now apparently confirmed, DUP deal make it certain?
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nonsencewilliamglenn said:
A border wall?rcs1000 said:
Today is a great day for vanity projects in Northern Ireland. Anyone want to bet on the first large infrastructure project we see announced?Sean_F said:
That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
fill in the Irish \Sea0 -
My (23 year old) assistant told that she'd voted Labour to protest against Brexit. I asked which constituency she was in. She didn't know. I asked for the name of the MP she'd voted for. She didn't know. I asked for her postcode.Sean_F said:
We have real electoral evidence that your stance on the EU is backed by a very small minority.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
I mean, Kate Hoey got 31,000 votes when Gina Miller thought she'd be defeated.
She lived in Vauxhall.
I didn't tell her about my bet. Nor did I tell her that Kate Hoey was a Brexiteer.0 -
How did Victoria Borwick do?Sean_F said:
We have real electoral evidence that your stance on the EU is backed by a very small minority.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
I mean, Kate Hoey got 31,000 votes when Gina Miller thought she'd be defeated.0 -
brilliantrcs1000 said:
My (23 year old) assistant told that she'd voted Labour to protest against Brexit. I asked which constituency she was in. She didn't know. I asked for the name of the MP she'd voted for. She didn't know. I asked for her postcode.Sean_F said:
We have real electoral evidence that your stance on the EU is backed by a very small minority.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
I mean, Kate Hoey got 31,000 votes when Gina Miller thought she'd be defeated.
She lived in Vauxhall.
I didn't tell her about my bet. Nor did I tell her that Kate Hoey was a Brexiteer.0 -
Yeah, that's one thing the Remainers glossed over - All that talk about Kate Hoey being defeated and she finished up winning her seat with over 20,000 votes on the Lib-Dems lol!Sean_F said:
We have real electoral evidence that your stance on the EU is backed by a very small minority.williamglenn said:
I meant that the anti-Cameroons dreamt of that strategy. They thought that appealing to the centre ground was a waste of time when they had 4 million UKIP voters to tap. We now have real electoral evidence that Cameron was right, and they were wrong.LucyJones said:
Since when did Cameron et al embrace Brexitism? He called the referendum in the hope of killing it off stone dead by permanently "docking" the UK to the EU.nichomar said:The result really should terrify the Conservatives. For 15 years they dreamt of unifying the right by embracing Brexitism and winning back UKIP voters, believing that such a voting coalition would crush their Labour enemies, and having finally done it, it only gave them a hung parliament.
They've now tied themselves to a doomed endeavour. If they can't reverse course they will go down with it, and a new pro-European centre-right political force will need to emerge.
I mean, Kate Hoey got 31,000 votes when Gina Miller thought she'd be defeated.0 -
The DUP, despite their FTP views, is in favour of the continuation of the Common Travel Area.williamglenn said:
A border wall?rcs1000 said:
Today is a great day for vanity projects in Northern Ireland. Anyone want to bet on the first large infrastructure project we see announced?Sean_F said:
That was obvious. The DUP would see no advantage in a Coalition. Many of their supporters are economically left wing, but vote DUP to defend the Union, and to get pork from the government.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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DUP ministers in the Cabinet would have been interesting!GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: DUP to back May on the basis of "confidence and supply" - not a full coalition
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Has it been taken down yet? Probably covered in seagull shite by now anyway.foxinsoxuk said:
What was that statue about?Stark_Dawning said:The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.
It looked like a #Maystone.
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