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Theresa May is under enormous pressure following her failure to win an overall majority. Straw-laden pitchforks are being doused with petrol, the pearl-handled revolver is being polished. She cannot continue, it is being said. She’s lost all her authority, anonymous briefings growl. The question that exercises many is whether she should go at once or later. Different names are being touted as her replacement (one suspects by the would-be replacements).
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"For a year and more the Daily Mail's editor towered over this country and a craven Tory party did his bidding. Now the electorate has stood up to him"
https://www.byline.com/column/68/article/1721
Tomorrow's MoS will be interesting. Does Grieg want May to go? I sense he does.
Compare and contrast with Monday's DM for lolz.
Sadly it would also require the Labour party to put country above party and join in a non-partisan way.
I fear neither party has the vision to see this at present - but it would be both the right thing to do, and also play very well with the voters at large.
It goes like this:
"OK folks, the country is deeply divided and divisive at present - Brexit, security, NHS and social care challenges. Leadership is about bringing the best talents together to solve problems in the national interest - and I am inviting Labour and the devolved administrations to join me in non-partisan commissions over the next 2 years to discuss and identify common ground on each. This will be the essence of my Queens Speech and I invite the other parties to support me".
Zero to hero overnight. It saves her bacon for 2 years, and gives a platform for the next election that is detoxified. Most importantly it gives the chance in an unsettled parliament with a clearly restive electorate to make progress on contentious issues.
If Davis doesn't have the qualities to bring the party, she also doesn't have them, in spades.
She doesn't even seem to be able to spot a really, really bad idea when it's plonked in front of her.
Otherwise an eminently sensible analysis.
(& I acknowledge the serious difficulties of replacing a prime minister in such a situation - but it is I am afraid necessary.)
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/canada-pre-qualifying-2017.html
FPT: Mr. P, glad the Hamster seems to be ok.
Mr. 83, not played it, but heard much about it. Seems pretty popular.
Someone flexible, with foresight and intelligence.
Unfortunately, Alexius Comnenus has been dead for almost a thousand years, and also isn't a Conservative MP.
We like May best when she's grey and in the background. So get back there and let others do the reaching out and the healing.
The last thing we want is another bloody election - leadership or otherwise.
Must be close to there being more Tory MPs openly against DUP support than there are DUP MPs, thus making any agreement pointless.
Except the chances of May choosing that avenue seem slim indeed.
Theresa May is probably, almost certainly, much better at getting on with the day job than coping with the showbiz of a campaign. That does make me wonder why she called the Election!
Call for something that is definitely going to happen (e.g. different Brexit, no coalition) and claim it makes you influential.
Tory MPs won't want the DUP setting the agenda. It's not about C&S. It's about the deal.
They think no deal is better than a bad deal. But there may be (unlike Brexit) a far more workable arrangement.
Theresa May is incapable of doing any of that, so it rules her out ...
Great thread header because it totally chimes with my contributions to the last thread
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"What this points to is a Prime Minister who is effectively able to manage all of the Conservative factions and to reach out to those outside the party to form alliances as necessary."
The logical conclusion is not that May is that Prime Minister - clearly the election and its aftermath have shown she is not. A full and open leadership contest would allow the possibility of a more junior minister to shine. It seems the only way to avoid the pitfalls of May and the other core Cabinet members.
Of course the problem with that is the ticking clock on Brexit. But it's not clear that we are better served in negotiations with a leader whose mandate is weak, domestic support is lacking and international credibility is shot to pieces.
Time for Theresa to go.
It's a disaster waiting to happen. In one move May's utterly retoxifying the Tories.
"Does the PM agree that we have a Strong and Stable mandate for Brexit?"
Ummmm
Worse stil:
http://www.independent.co.uk/
In the F8ck*ng Cabinet ???????
I'd rather see Corbyn struggling in govt from his minority position
Taking a step back and looking at the last three GE results, it seems the British public default want Conservatives to be the largest party without the confidence to get too lairy, and the rest is just noise
But I sense this is outriding.
Mr. 86, no more than it makes Corbyn Scipio Africanus.
Mr. Borough, the Conservative problem is they have the succession difficulties without the three fantastic emperors (Nicephorus II Phocas, John Tzimisces, Basil II).
Mr. B, Asculum and Heraclea were both on the list (the battle Pyrrhus lost, Beneventum, was not).
I am willing to serve my country and party.
I would hope that a reasonable number of cabinet members would resign and refuse to serve if DUP people are appointed to cabinet.
Anyway, I am off and shall return tomorrow. Possibly with tips.
When finally faced with a decent opponent, got absolutely creamed.
Poor Carthage, poor Tory party.
That's what the electorate voted for - blame them.
If the DUP are demanding it, why not call their bluff? Are they going to force another election, after which they would probably have very little influence?
Nicely written but you miss the obvious point. She has no authority left and cannot continue.
Hour by hour, she looks ever more useless. I despair.
Theresa May considering formal coalition which could mean cabinet positions for DUP MPs
The Government Chief Whip is in Belfast for discussions which include the possibility of formal coalition
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-conservative-dup-coalition-formal-cabinet-positions-northern-irish-mps-democratic-a7783741.html
May should go for minority Government and informal support for the Queen's speech. Anything more than that and she is just making a bad situation worse.
For that policy to work, there needs to be a different PM.
The EU would agree to stop the clock if needed, while we try to get sorted.
Get fucked Theresa, you're a fucking pox on our party and country.
Greg Clark
Amber Rudd
David Mundell (If we can't have Ruth, why not?)
All three are non-tribalists within the party and team players.
Chortle.
How'd you fancy Lord Ken Livingstone as Northern Ireland Secretary?
It enables them to retake the initiative, puts Labour on the back foot and in a position of either accepting the offer or refusing and appearing to put party before country.
Assuming there would then be an election within the next few months, it neutralises the 'Tories gave you a coalition of chaos with far-right extremists' line.
Trying to struggle on in coalition with the DUP makes no sense at all. It is electoral poison and could easily see Scots Tories split entirely.
The likes of Hammond, Rudd, Boris etc, could do a lot worse right now than to resign and refuse to serve in any cabinet in which there is a formal coalition with the DUP.
Use of the word "could". Never ever bother reading any article past the word "could". Or replace it with "won't". It simply means that someone is writing something to fill a space or because they are paid by the word.
Also "independent". Apart from a mild surprise that they still exist ... they might be just a blog now? They are very unlikely to have their fingers on the pulse of No10 thinking.
But mostly the "could" thing.
What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.
Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.
But seriously: I'm the sort of person the Conservatives should be trying to attract. Insulting voters is never a good idea.
The idea of working cross-party at a time when no party seems able to achieve a majority of any significance is pragmatic. Such cooperation would no doubt be welcomed by the country as a whole, particularly on an issue such a social care which is clearly becoming something of a national crisis.
I'm suggesting three names, one of you will like very much.