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Dadge said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JonathanD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/873586558494015488

Do Labour have any interest in achieving Brexit? They'll mouth platitudes in support but it's only Tory MPs that are stupid enough to still think it's a good idea.

Corbyn is supremely uninterested in Brexit. He makes no movement either for or against.

Starmer and Davis are unlikely to agree on much, neither will Thornberry or Gardiner.

It wouldn't be easy, but it'd be right. We want a British Brexit, not a Tory Brexit. This is one of the reasons that May's pitch to the electorate failed.

no it wasn't it was the manifesto disaster of the social care announcement that a lost her majority and not turning up at the debates . It had nothing to do with the Brexit stance at all. if she'd had a half decent manifesto she would be riding high on a large majority now

FFS!

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.

Ruth Davidson has been on the phone again. If Scotland didn't get three points, the Scottish Tories were fucking off.....

Griffiths is never going to have to pay for drinks ever again!

MarqueeMark said:

Ruth Davidson has been on the phone again. If Scotland didn't get three points, the Scottish Tories were fucking off.....

lol

Richard_Tyndall said:

Of course with the numbers the way they are the only way Corbyn could get a coalition without them would be to persuade Sinn Féin to take up their seats. Are they really willing to risk that?

I keep on seeing the supposed possibility of Sinn Fein MPs taking up their seats being raised.

Even if Corbyn were to promise Sinn Fein a border poll, with HMG providing tacit support for Northern Ireland leaving the UK (something that the DUP and Tories would have the numbers to block anyway) there is still no chance of Sinn Fein taking up their seats in the Commons.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

really

you keep telling me it was about somebody writing on a bus

make your mind up

Pep knows his goalkeepers

Richard_Tyndall said:

nichomar said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

nichomar said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

foxinsoxuk said:

May is not going to change her spots. She has never been one to consult or listen on policy.

For that policy to work, there needs to be a different PM.

The EU would agree to stop the clock if needed, while we try to get sorted.

Yep, which ever side of the political divide you are on when it comes to Brexit, if you want what is best for the country going forward from this point you want someone competent to be leading the British side of the negotiations and making decisions on our behalf. That is certainly not Corbyn but neither is it May. I have no faith at all in her doing what is best for the country as opposed to what is best for her party and her own position. I would even go so far as to say she appears to be arrogant enough to believe that what is best for herself is what is best for the country.

It's not a negotiation it's take it or leave so what matters is who would do best in the circumstance?
Some politician or the British people just to add to that it's sickening to watch Tories more worried about who is best to win the next election than who can make the right decision for us all. Whist I hate to say it maybe travel junkie had a point

It is certainly not take it or leave it. I would suggest if you believe that you are arguing from a point of extreme ignorance or bias.

No I'm not they have been working hard behind the scenes and have their ducks in a row, yes it might be a superficial negotiation at the edges but they don't give a flying shit who turns up to "negotiate" whilst we waste time holding futile elections and then more time asking who will beat Corbyn next time. It's turning into the best episode of "in the thick of it" that nobody thought was possibly real. We all suffer from " fog in channel, Europe cot off" syndrome how bloody important do you think we are. Whilst we equable German car manufacturers are re-engineering their supply chain and prepare for WTO what do we do, worry about who can beat Corbyn,

Ah so both ignorant and biased then. Thanks for that.

What is ignorant or biased about view that says the future of the UK is more important than which person leads the Tories?

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bloody hell.

Scotland are going to act like they've won the world cup

We've not won the world cup since 1967.

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

I didn't say they hadn't got concerns about the PM's approach.

I said that it's not a mandate to scupper Brexit.

It must be delivered.

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

I agree

so can we stop claiming its all about angry remainers

its a whole raft of issues

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

really

you keep telling me it was about somebody writing on a bus

make your mind up

Boris said that had nothing to do with it, that's why he voted against giving the NHS £350m per week earlier on this year.

Damn.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.

But Parliament is sovereign to do what it is like.

Or are you going down the route of your fellow Leaver Andrew Lillico that voting Leave is about giving more power to King Charles?

Yes, the result of the 2016 referendum was about having the right to ignore the results of the 2016 referendum.

GeoffM said:

JackW said:

GeoffM said:

JackW said:

GeoffM said:

Why all this sudden Ruth thing?

The first thing she's done since the election is publicly ask for extra sweeties for her client LGTQWERTY base.

Conservatives should be avoiding this depressing lefty tactic of dividing people into neat boxes.

Who knew some Conservatives viewed civil rights as "sweeties" ?

Extras which interfere with equality are 'sweeties' - or another word of your choice which also emphasises elevating one group superior to another.

What are these "extras" of which you speak. Enlighten us, do ?

Well, some people did argue against same-sex marriage because they thought it would devalue "proper" marriages like theirs to have gay couples put on the same level.

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

Nice try.

However, Jezza said we're going to leave and he also said FOM would end (we'd leave the single market) So over 80% of voters voted for parties that said we'd leave the EU.

The two true parties of remain in the UK, (Lib-Dem's and Green) went no where while the remain party of Scotland last half its seats.

Stark_Dawning said:

I'm surprised that Dr Liam Fox hasn't been touted as a leadership possibility. Scottish is clearly the 'in thing' and that, coupled with his smouldering good looks and romantic history with pop babes, surely makes him the housewives' choice. And think of all those trade deals he's already negotiated across the globe. The man's simply awesome.

Are you confusing him with this dashing Dr Fox?

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.

But Parliament is sovereign to do what it is like.

Or are you going down the route of your fellow Leaver Andrew Lillico that voting Leave is about giving more power to King Charles?

Yes, the result of the 2016 referendum was about having the right to ignore the results of the 2016 referendum.

The election was to crush the Brexit saboteurs.

Chortle.

GIN1138 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

Nice try.

However, Jezza said we're going to leave and he also said FOM would end (we'd leave the single market@) So over 80% of voters voted for parties that said we'd leave the EU.

The two true parties of remain in the UK, (Lib-Dem's and Green) went no where while the remain party of Scotland last half its seats.

But he also caveated that Brext must be good for jobs and employees.

fitalass said:

FPT. JackW said: "Context is everything Sean. Go back seven weeks and tell Conservatives they'd lose their majority from a 20 point lead and they either ask what care in the community project you were in or that the Messiah has endorsed Jezza .... or probably both."

Hi JackW, hoping you are in fine and fiesty fettle. I had real concerns when May called this GE, not least because it became very evident within hours that she had not even consulted a few trusted members of her own Cabinet or devolved party Leaders such as Ruth Davidson. That set alarm bells ringing with me that got even louder when I heard that both her Comms Chief and Press secretary wanted to resign. That immediately indicated to me that not even they had been in loop when it came to making such a monumental decision to call a snap GE. A huge error of judgement on so many levels. And one only compounded by briefings flying around that May was then expecteng uber loyalty from backbenches on their return after the GE on the back of 'her' manifesto with what appears shockingly little imput or signing off from her elected politicians.

Hi @fitalass

+1 ..

Casino_Royale said:

Brexiters need to mobilise and organise.

It's quite clear what the bitter-ender Remainers are going to try to use this Parliament to do.

It was scheming and agitating for Brexit that has led your party and our country into the doomsday machine it is locked into. Brexiteers need to rethink quickly whether their judgement was correct.

Corbyn, Hezeltine and Osbourne on Andrew Marr tomorrow morning

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

The Commons can of course choose to vote down Brexit, despite most MP's being elected on a commitment to support Brexit.

I think it's unlikely that would enhance the standing of either Parliament or the EU in this country, and would ultimately result in the election of a very radically anti-EU government.

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

David_Evershed said:

DanSmith said:

https://twitter.com/heidiallen75/status/873572873469820928

Must be close to there being more Tory MPs openly against DUP support than there are DUP MPs, thus making any agreement pointless.

Heidi Allen is a Lib Dem in the Conservative party colours for some reason. Expect her to defect.

But that kind of stereotyping ignores the fact there are huge numbers of Tory supporters who think a formal deal with the DUP is the worst idea since Noah's neighbour decided to buy an umbrella.

May should go for minority Government and informal support for the Queen's speech. Anything more than that and she is just making a bad situation worse.

The DUP might not give such support...

Tell them back us, or you'll get Corbyn as Prime Minister.

How'd you fancy Lord Ken Livingstone as Northern Ireland Secretary?

Threatening to blow your own head off with a shotgun isn't a negotiating tactic

We could give Northern Ireland away to the Republic as part of the Brexit deal.

See how they like that then.

Sounds like a good idea to me!

Plus what has Northern Ireland ever brought to the mainland apart from terrorism

so same as the pakistanis then ?

Nope, without Pakistanis the NHS would collapse.

And England would be shite at cricket.

the pakistanis have contibuted bugger all to society, not even curry, thats the bangladeshis

the paksiatnais are the DUP - teetoal, god bothering , homophobic, funny accents, violence motivated , misogynistic handout junkies

youd love them

At last someone to agree with, my uni years were spent in Bradford and by far they produce best curry. Best served without knife and fork on a Melanie table costing 40p it was even free for extra gee and chilies. I'm getting old I think

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

Its about time Remainers stopped thinking that the election result in any way reflects on Brexit. The two parties to actively oppose Brexit got stuffed by the electorate. The Lib Dems only saw a slight increase in seats because the Scottish electorate disliked the SNP a little more than them.

The parties that won over 80% of the vote had both made clear Brexit will happen. Corbyn knew this was necessary or he would never have got close to May.

Stop trying to fight last year's battles and start looking forward.

The Prime Minister called this election to get a mandate for her vision of Brexit, she said. She didn't get it. Sufficient numbers of the public prioritised other matters when voting to deprive her of her majority.

Brexit needs to be rethought. It's no longer an internal Conservative party affair.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

GeoffM said:

nielh said:

Dadge said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

JohnO said:

Of the current cabinet members, my preference for the next leader would be:

Greg Clark
Amber Rudd
David Mundell (If we can't have Ruth, why not?)

All three are non-tribalists within the party and team players.

None have the charisma required to beat Corbyn now and are all too establishment former Remain backers like May, only Boris does

Not for me. I would not actively oppose him but I think he would be more of a liability than an asset in the long run.

I think it has to be a Leaver and the only two I think would be suitable would be David Davis - for a safe pair of hands and because of his anti-statist views- or Priti Patel because she is young, intelligent, a very good communicator and has none of the baggage of the old post Thatcher wilderness years party.

PP is off-puttingly arrogant. I wrote Boris off as having become a figure of ridicule, but if he could rebuild his reputation by emphasising that he would lead a good team, rather than giving the impression that he'd be a kind of British Trump, he could pull it off.

Priti Patel is bad news . Look at her backstory. Lobbyist for British American Tobacco.

Toxic.

Non-SPAD experience of working in the outside world?

BURN HER

Ken Clarke has also worked for tobacco companies iirc.

|George Osborne has worked for Satan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.

But Parliament is sovereign to do what it is like.

Or are you going down the route of your fellow Leaver Andrew Lillico that voting Leave is about giving more power to King Charles?

Yes, the result of the 2016 referendum was about having the right to ignore the results of the 2016 referendum.

The election was to crush the Brexit saboteurs.

Chortle.

The trouble is that you now have a proper Brexit mandate - which the referendum didn't provide. Both Conservative and Labour parties went into the election saying they would implement it. How can parliament now scupper it?

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

Brexiters need to mobilise and organise.

It's quite clear what the bitter-ender Remainers are going to try to use this Parliament to do.

It was scheming and agitating for Brexit that has led your party and our country into the doomsday machine it is locked into. Brexiteers need to rethink quickly whether their judgement was correct.

Still think Scotland's about to secede because of Brexit?

Well the sweats might have sung it about Jimmy Saville, but Harry Kane is One of England's Own

FrankBooth said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.

But Parliament is sovereign to do what it is like.

Or are you going down the route of your fellow Leaver Andrew Lillico that voting Leave is about giving more power to King Charles?

Yes, the result of the 2016 referendum was about having the right to ignore the results of the 2016 referendum.

The election was to crush the Brexit saboteurs.

Chortle.

The trouble is that you now have a proper Brexit mandate - which the referendum didn't provide. Both Conservative and Labour parties went into the election saying they would implement it. How can parliament now scupper it?

+1

Remoaners Party - 12 seats.....

williamglenn said:

Alanbrooke said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

Brexiters need to mobilise and organise.

It's quite clear what the bitter-ender Remainers are going to try to use this Parliament to do.

It was scheming and agitating for Brexit that has led your party and our country into the doomsday machine it is locked into. Brexiteers need to rethink quickly whether their judgement was correct.

Why william tell me now that weve declared were leaving will the EU keep us in on the old terms if we offer to come back ?

The old terms were an unsatisfactory half-in, half-out compromise. If we needed to go fully in to reverse course that would be a positive thing.

so we line up for a fucking by the Germans

I can see that might have some problems with the elctorate

marke09 said:

Corbyn, Hezeltine and Osbourne on Andrew Marr tomorrow morning

Hmm... not sure that will be very positive for May!

AlastairMeeks said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

It's about time that Leavers recognise that the voters at the general election had more pressing concerns than securing a hard Brexit. If they didn't, they'd have voted Conservative in greater numbers, as sought by the Prime Minister.

Its about time Remainers stopped thinking that the election result in any way reflects on Brexit. The two parties to actively oppose Brexit got stuffed by the electorate. The Lib Dems only saw a slight increase in seats because the Scottish electorate disliked the SNP a little more than them.

The parties that won over 80% of the vote had both made clear Brexit will happen. Corbyn knew this was necessary or he would never have got close to May.

Stop trying to fight last year's battles and start looking forward.

The Prime Minister called this election to get a mandate for her vision of Brexit, she said. She didn't get it. Sufficient numbers of the public prioritised other matters when voting to deprive her of her majority.

Brexit needs to be rethought. It's no longer an internal Conservative party affair.

The style of Brexit may need to be rethought - and bear in mind I never agreed with the hard Brexit route that May was proposing. I still have my £100 bet with Richard N. on us joining EFTA/EEA at the end of the process.

But the idea that we can revisit the basic fact that we are leaving the EU is not one that is supported by any evidence from this election. If people wanted us to revisit that decision they could have voted Lib Dem or SNP. They overwhelmingly voted for the parties that said that Brexit would happen - and moreover that said (mistakenly in my view) that freedom of movement should end.

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

Brexiters need to mobilise and organise.

It's quite clear what the bitter-ender Remainers are going to try to use this Parliament to do.

It was scheming and agitating for Brexit that has led your party and our country into the doomsday machine it is locked into. Brexiteers need to rethink quickly whether their judgement was correct.

Still think Scotland's about to secede because of Brexit?

If Brexit goes ahead, yes. You can't have both Brexit and the union.

Clearly you can as the election a few days ago showed.

nichomar said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

nichomar said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

foxinsoxuk said:

May is not going to change her spots. She has never been one to consult or listen on policy.

For that policy to work, there needs to be a different PM.

The EU would agree to stop the clock if needed, while we try to get sorted.

Yep, which ever side of the political divide you are on when it comes to Brexit, if you want what is best for the country going forward from this point you want someone competent to be leading the British side of the negotiations and making decisions on our behalf. That is certainly not Corbyn but neither is it May. I have no faith at all in her doing what is best for the country as opposed to what is best for her party and her own position. I would even go so far as to say she appears to be arrogant enough to believe that what is best for herself is what is best for the country.

It's not a negotiation it's take it or leave so what matters is who would do best in the circumstance?
Some politician or the British people just to add to that it's sickening to watch Tories more worried about who is best to win the next election than who can make the right decision for us all. Whist I hate to say it maybe travel junkie had a point

It is certainly not take it or leave it. I would suggest if you believe that you are arguing from a point of extreme ignorance or bias.

No I'm not they have been working hard behind the scenes and have their ducks in a row, yes it might be a superficial negotiation at the edges but they don't give a flying shit who turns up to "negotiate" whilst we waste time holding futile elections and then more time asking who will beat Corbyn next time. It's turning into the best episode of "in the thick of it" that nobody thought was possibly real. We all suffer from " fog in channel, Europe cot off" syndrome how bloody important do you think we are. Whilst we equable German car manufacturers are re-engineering their supply chain and prepare for WTO what do we do, worry about who can beat Corbyn,

Call me a headbanger if it makes you feel better, but I think the 5th largest economy in the world is at least a teeny bit important to the EU.

MarqueeMark said:

FrankBooth said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Theresa May is done. On that I think we can (nearly) all agree.

What happens after she's gone is another matter... I suspect it will involve lots and lots of spades and soil to bury Brexit.

Brexit 2016-2017. RIP.

If the newly elected crop of MPs think the GE2017 results are a mandate to scupper Brexit, I think they will be making a very grave mistake.

Parliament is sovereign right?

That's what the last referendum was all about right?

Nice try. Almost 600 MPs were elected on a Brexit platform.

But Parliament is sovereign to do what it is like.

Or are you going down the route of your fellow Leaver Andrew Lillico that voting Leave is about giving more power to King Charles?

Yes, the result of the 2016 referendum was about having the right to ignore the results of the 2016 referendum.

The election was to crush the Brexit saboteurs.

Chortle.

The trouble is that you now have a proper Brexit mandate - which the referendum didn't provide. Both Conservative and Labour parties went into the election saying they would implement it. How can parliament now scupper it?

+1

Remoaners Party - 12 seats.....

I thought the Scottish Conservatives had 13?

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bugger, so I'm not getting the job

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/873596560784936963

Good call x2.

Yup, he's very liberal, not obsessed about immigration, free market Thatcherite who won't be endorsing May's energy price plans.

The Leavers are in a blind panic over this result, but their government should have taken a more consolidating tone. Fancy talking about crushing saboteurs and erecting giant statues of Theresa. The Leavers are entirely to blame for this debacle. They alienated great swathes of the electorate making them ripe for Jezza.

The Prime Minister called this election to get a mandate for her vision of Brexit, she said. She didn't get it. Sufficient numbers of the public prioritised other matters when voting to deprive her of her majority.

Brexit needs to be rethought. It's no longer an internal Conservative party affair.

Yes, I agree. May wanted a mandate for Brexit and she failed to get what she asked for. This election supersedes the referendum as she specifically asked for an increased majority to endorse her negotiating strategy. The Brexit brigade are in denial rather like the Remain voters have been since the referendum in 2016. To my mind the electorate want to do nothing, so on that basis I wonder if A50 can be retracted and a new settlement could be put in place with regard freedom of movement.

The PM is finished as she can no longer claim the mandate from the referendum guides her as a newer national election fought by her on Brexit has proved inconclusive.

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

Brexiters need to mobilise and organise.

It's quite clear what the bitter-ender Remainers are going to try to use this Parliament to do.

It was scheming and agitating for Brexit that has led your party and our country into the doomsday machine it is locked into. Brexiteers need to rethink quickly whether their judgement was correct.

Still think Scotland's about to secede because of Brexit?

If Brexit goes ahead, yes. You can't have both Brexit and the union.

The Scots seem to disagree.

The predictions of a Leave win boosting Scottish independence have certainly turned out to be wrong.

dr_spyn said:

Offer Corbyn a Grand Coalition for a Brexit deal, a doctor's mandate to fix the UK.

I can't see it, for two reasons. First, you just can't one week say he's a friend of Britain's enemies, a lunatic Marxist, etc., and then say "But do join the Cabinet". Second, he'd be bonkers to accept, unless there was some sort of rotating PM position on offer. We all know what happens to junior partners.