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Yet someone did ask Cameron during the 2015 campaign and he dealt with it.GeoffM said:
Neither did May. Someone asked her a question if the previous leader's policy still stood.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Dave didn't announce it in the middle of the campaign.Casino_Royale said:
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.
As has been noted below, Aaron had to deal with fox hunting in the campaign when he should have been dealing with other stuff0 -
Banff and Buchan Tory gain. What a disaster for the SNP.0
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Con gain Derbyshire NE.0
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Bloody best not. Time to work like grownups. I don't like that 40% of people voted for Corbyn, but we'll have to work something out now, won't we?another_richard said:
Me too.Peter_the_Punter said:Gotta get a couple of hours sleep. Thanks for your company everybody.
Nite/morning all.
I think we might be doing all this again within a year.0 -
Is the UUP long-term dead, at least in Westminster terms? Once the situation becomes polarised like that, it's very hard to stage a comeback because of the risk of "the other side" sneaking in.Lucian_Fletcher said:If Ruth Davidson isn't being urgently found a safe seat then something is wrong.
I'm just about avoiding blubbering. NI is totally polarised. The middle ground is a no man's land.
What do you think is the future for the more liberal brand of unionism in NI ? Is the best chance that the DUP becomes a bigger tent, with a more liberal wing? That at some point the DUP hits a scandal and the UUP resurrects itself? Can't see there being a new unionist party to replace the UUP, been some comedy value in previous attempts. Or can you not see a path at all?0 -
Lab hold Barrow and Furness0
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@MrHarryCole: Good morning... Tory MPs are gearing up for another brutal day June morning in Westminster..... https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/8730216002239610880
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She is right, dreadful campaign and it wasn't a tory manifesto.The_Apocalypse said:
That's not over the top.Scott_P said:@SebastianEPayne: Anna Soubry goes over the top, and says Theresa May should “consider her position…it’s been a dreadful night" #GE2017
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Brighton Kemptown - Labour GAIN0
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Brighton Kemptown Labour gain.0
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Massive win for Labour in Brighton Kemptown0
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One Labour hold I'm not upset about.numbertwelve said:Lab hold Barrow and Furness
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Landslide gain by Labour in Kemptown. 10,000 majority0
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People's republic of brighton was bound to grow on this night.The_Apocalypse said:Brightkemptown - Labour GAIN
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Hooray for Pulps - yes I know he's a LibDem.dr_spyn said:Con gain Derbyshire NE.
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John woodcock reelected0
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What?!dr_spyn said:Con gain Derbyshire NE.
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Please let them take Pavilion too!The_Apocalypse said:Brightkemptown - Labour GAIN
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Con gain Derbyshire NE from Labour0
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The Tories have to knife Theresa tomorrow morning.0
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Another potential Con gain in Midlands is Newcastle under Lyme0
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Amazing numbers being overturned in Scotland, which I don’t think many foresaw.Scott_P said:@BBCPhilipSim: Banff and Buchan is a Conservative GAIN from the SNP. They've overturned a 31.4% SNP majority from 2015.
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Theresa May has monumentally, cosmically screwed up. Legendary stuff.0
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She's gone. She won't need to be pushed.MaxPB said:The Tories have to knife Theresa tomorrow morning.
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So Shipley stayed blue?0
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barrowhold, abject con fail0
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Agree with that. Local circumstances top the blind rosette colour votes there.Casino_Royale said:
One Labour hold I'm not upset about.numbertwelve said:Lab hold Barrow and Furness
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My Greg Clark backing at 100/1 is surely going to come in quite quickly now.0
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Con Gain Derbyshire NE.0
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YepScrapheap_as_was said:So Shipley stayed blue?
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One of the first Scottish polls suggest over a dozen Tory seats, but it was always seen as unlikely to be quite so grand as that.SimonStClare said:
Amazing numbers being overturned in Scotland, which I don’t think many foresaw.Scott_P said:@BBCPhilipSim: Banff and Buchan is a Conservative GAIN from the SNP. They've overturned a 31.4% SNP majority from 2015.
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If the books were balanced probably or at least with LD and DUP confidence and supplykle4 said:
Would they have been elected in 2015 if they had stuck to their 2010 plans? I'd like to have found out, but there was a reason they slowed, and part of that was they couldn't get their own people to back anything harder.HYUFD said:
Plus Osborne failing to balance the books by 2015, which enabled Corbyn to run on an anti austerity ticketTheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test0 -
Hurrah! Sorry the other side of the deal didn't happenPulpstar said:Con Gain Derbyshire NE.
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Have we heard any more about Amber yet?0
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Stewart Jackson lol. Would love to see him on here in the coming days explain his loss. Somehow I don't think we will see him!0
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BBC has revised Con forecast down to 316 (from 318)0
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I;m going to get stick from nieces up that way...old_labour said:Labour hold Halifax where TMay launched her election campaign. Was expected to be a Tory gain.
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Result before 5amnumbertwelve said:Have we heard any more about Amber yet?
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I really wish Cameron had not resigned his seat - I liked the ideas of leaders sticking around to contribute, and he'd be well placed to help now!0
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I recon - against all the odds - Betfair sportsbook made money out of punters this election.0
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As a group of political anoraks, can anyone think of a worse political campaign than this Tory one?0
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ten minutes to declarationnumbertwelve said:Have we heard any more about Amber yet?
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Conservatives doing a great job with the snp. Once the snp go labour can clean up what's left.
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Tried and failed to sleep. Ah well. Have to survive tomorrow on coffee and adrenaline0
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Thought her analysis was spot on.jonny83 said:
She is right, dreadful campaign and it wasn't a tory manifesto.The_Apocalypse said:
That's not over the top.Scott_P said:@SebastianEPayne: Anna Soubry goes over the top, and says Theresa May should “consider her position…it’s been a dreadful night" #GE2017
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Maj 4,681. Not even that closeRobD said:
YepScrapheap_as_was said:So Shipley stayed blue?
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Utterly amazed they are in the mid-30s!TravelJunkie said:Conservatives doing a great job with the snp. Once the snp go labour can clean up what's left.
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AndreaParma_82 said:
Another potential Con gain in Midlands is Newcastle under Lyme
they did ok in the midlands in the end.AndreaParma_82 said:Another potential Con gain in Midlands is Newcastle under Lyme
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@paulwaugh: Great quote from @angelaeagle on May: "Throughout this campaign she avoided scrutiny like a vampire avoids the sunlight."0
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I love that absolute monarchy moderated by regicide line lol.0
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It is all looking a bit quebec for them, right now.TravelJunkie said:Conservatives doing a great job with the snp. Once the snp go labour can clean up what's left.
Pity, I always liked Mr Salmond.0 -
Third recount.numbertwelve said:Have we heard any more about Amber yet?
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IDS: For the next 24 hours we need stability.0
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Were supposed to hear about Ceredigion by now. Hope they found some more votes for Williams.0
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Declaration within 10 m ins according to SkyKentRising said:
Third recount.numbertwelve said:Have we heard any more about Amber yet?
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Then we go batshit crazy and depose her!williamglenn said:IDS: For the next 24 hours we need stability.
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Virtually every tight call has gone Tory. That's 20 seat swing.0
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Cameron won a majority in GE2015 with an identical pledge.Pulpstar said:
Casino, people really don't like fox hunting. Aaron had alot of emails about it - you can't win a majority just with shire Tories.Casino_Royale said:
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.
And people don't understand shit about fox hunting. It's a vocal minority.0 -
@MarinaHyde: Tonight is so beautiful I may come down with Stendhal Syndrome https://twitter.com/wikiguido/status/8730222527275171840
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Boy, that's a bit of come down from 5 years of stability, but it is more achievable.williamglenn said:IDS: For the next 24 hours we need stability.
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Just back from the count in Perth and NP. The result here although v close is looking more an anomaly compared to the rest of the Con vs SNP battles in Scotland. The loss of 4 seats for the Nats in the NE is big surprise0
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I thought it was you who would be the Con to LD vote swapper.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hurrah! Sorry the other side of the deal didn't happenPulpstar said:Con Gain Derbyshire NE.
So Hallam gets Labour for the first time ever and adjacent NED goes Con for the first time ever.
Killamarsh is now more Conservative than Dore.
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I think its important that we can get a Gov't and I might just have done my bit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hurrah! Sorry the other side of the deal didn't happenPulpstar said:Con Gain Derbyshire NE.
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Yes, that's almost certainly going to persist as one of the myths of this election despite all of the evidence to the contrary.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: Great quote from @angelaeagle on May: "Throughout this campaign she avoided scrutiny like a vampire avoids the sunlight."
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Con held Finchley! (SKY)0
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But it didn't get announced as a policy in the election campaign. It was done well before that and then snuck into the manifesto.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron won a majority in GE2015 with an identical pledge.Pulpstar said:
Casino, people really don't like fox hunting. Aaron had alot of emails about it - you can't win a majority just with shire Tories.Casino_Royale said:
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.
And people don't understand shit about fox hunting. It's a vocal minority.0 -
And there are many, many people up and down the land incredulous that 43% voted for Theresa May and a Tory party that has wrought viciousness on all but the rich for the last seven years. Today was richly deserved.kle4 said:
I don't like that 40% of people voted for Corbyn0 -
Fuck yes!TheWhiteRabbit said:Con held Finchley! (SKY)
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Scottish Labour in 2015.MaxPB said:As a group of political anoraks, can anyone think of a worse political campaign than this Tory one?
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Tories will be second place in Scotland in terms of votes - they're level pegging with Labour on 28.1%, and there are two almost certain Conservative seats left out of five. Labour are highly unlikely to have any significant vote in any of the remaining seats.0
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This Amber Rudd result is going to be very important in the context of the minority government to come. Really every seat is so important.0
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Hillary Clinton's.MaxPB said:As a group of political anoraks, can anyone think of a worse political campaign than this Tory one?
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Yeh, that was always going to happen.TheWhiteRabbit said:Con held Finchley! (SKY)
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Bottom line is we've got 5 more years of austerity.0
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As I've insinuated tonight, is that really somewhere you want to go? Someone who retracted a job offer I'd never asked for? To your credit, you privately apologised profusely for that.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you being so rude to everyone tonight?JosiasJessop said:
All the Europhobes have done is make Corbyn a God.Danny565 said:Labour now officially exceeded their 2015 seats total.
Do you realise how you're coming across?
You need to consider the position of 'ordinary' people. You are too EU obsessed. Much more is in the purview of the UK's parliament than in the EU's, and 'ordinary' people realise that.
Hence this result. You should have listened.
But at least you can escape abroad. I cannot.0 -
Yeah, but on the flip-side they have lost southern England seats that they should not be losing.TravelJunkie said:Virtually every tight call has gone Tory. That's 20 seat swing.
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HurrayMaxPB said:
Fuck yes!TheWhiteRabbit said:Con held Finchley! (SKY)
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A passing thought - the suggestion that people like me have been making that the polls had overcompensated for lower Labour turnout is being borne out. Essentially ICM and those like them have been fighting the last war. If people say they're going to vote, maybe we should start believing them...0
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Tories hold Finchley.
Tories hold Harrow East.0 -
I'm too tired and emotional (not a euphemism in this case) to think about it. Right now, I'm considering moving to Australia.MyBurningEars said:
Is the UUP long-term dead, at least in Westminster terms? Once the situation becomes polarised like that, it's very hard to stage a comeback because of the risk of "the other side" sneaking in.Lucian_Fletcher said:If Ruth Davidson isn't being urgently found a safe seat then something is wrong.
I'm just about avoiding blubbering. NI is totally polarised. The middle ground is a no man's land.
What do you think is the future for the more liberal brand of unionism in NI ? Is the best chance that the DUP becomes a bigger tent, with a more liberal wing? That at some point the DUP hits a scandal and the UUP resurrects itself? Can't see there being a new unionist party to replace the UUP, been some comedy value in previous attempts. Or can you not see a path at all?
We have a lot of thinking to do. I can't see a long term future for Unionism if it is dependent on the DUP entirely. They will never win over enough Catholic or non religious people to keep the Union safe. We are effectively admitting that the Union will survive until the current primary school kids can vote.0 -
They should have painted £350m for the NHS on the side of the bus. Clearly.Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: Tonight is so beautiful I may come down with Stendhal Syndrome https://twitter.com/wikiguido/status/873022252727517184
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All the tight calls are going Tory
Still think they could squeak a majority.0 -
Theresa may and the press aren't going to let her go.
She will be prime minister0 -
I'll say it right now: if you thought May wasn't cut out to be PM, just wait until you see Boris.
Anyone but Boris. Hammond, Rudd, Hunt .. Ideally Davidson.
Or, and TSE might use the banhammer on me for saying this, but I'd support David Davis as temporary caretaker leader up until the conclusion of the A50 negotiations.
2 years. Further election.0 -
Wasn't Gordon Brown labelled a squatter after failing to win a majority? May should just go, not hang about.0
