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  • Kevin_McCandless
    Kevin_McCandless Posts: 392
    In one weird way, Prime Minister Corbyn would be like Trump, a slave to old habits. But instead of jetting off to Florida every five seconds, he'll be outside Parliament, leading a protest against his own government.
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    It's Trump vs Clinton all over: crazed populist beats arrogant, complacent establishment stiff.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    jonny83 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Can't believe I am agreeing so much with George Osborne.

    Whose coverage are you all finding the best?
    ITV seem to be holding my attention the most...

    ITV, Osborne is so sharp and spot on.
    And they replaced him.

    People should remember what 'conservative' means. Europhobes went for revolution rather then evolution, and are reaping what they sowed.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The SNP are getting completely blitzed.
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab gain Bury North

    God we're fucked aren't we.
    Yes
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Y0kel said:

    Just as a note. Sinn Fein look like they will wipe out the SDLP, with 2 seats directly. If they stay out of Westminster then its two less to get a mathematical majority. It could be three less by end of night.

    Oh the hilarity
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Scott_P said:

    @isaby: Sorry to see long-standing Brexiteer David Nuttall lose Bury North, despite the lack of a UKIP candidate this time

    Brexit is fucked.

    Hallelujah!
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Paristonda said:

    alex. said:

    Is there any chance that Boris loses?

    No. The tories have two options, Ruth or Boris. Ruth is still in Scotland. No one else has enough profile yet.
    Considering that Ruth isn't a real option, the party is fucked. If Boris is leader, Corbyn is PM.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    WESTERN ISLES HOLD BY SNP.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Roger said:

    Scott_P said:

    @isaby: Sorry to see long-standing Brexiteer David Nuttall lose Bury North, despite the lack of a UKIP candidate this time

    Brexit is fucked.

    Hallelujah!
    +1
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Wimbledon under pressure
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Listening to George Osborne talking on TV is exactly like reading TSE on here.

    Uncanny.

    We are the voices of general election winning policies.

    We are the voices of lower taxation.

    We are the voices of social liberalism.
    One small silver lining, might we get our party back a little....to coin a phrase.
    Hopefully.

    I'm going flail the PBers/Tories that denied the awesomeness of Dave and George.
    Dave and George DID THIS. If Cameron had just multiplied by 2 the effort he put in to securing a sellable Remain case, he would still have looked pathetically lazy, but Remain would have got over the line. Awesome my arse.
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Increased majority by Paul Flynn

    Lab+11.1
    Con+6.8
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    JosiasJessop said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab gain Bury North

    God we're fucked aren't we.
    Yes. And thanks to *you*.
    Fuck off. I had nothing to do with this awful campaign, and at every turn I've pointed out how awful Theresa May is and how awul her policies are. I've been told by other Tories (and not just on here) that parking our tanks on Labour's lawn was more important than ensuring our supporters actually bloody turned out. Northern ex-Labour voters were more important than middle England marginal voters according to them.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    SeanT said:

    alex. said:

    Is there any chance that Boris loses?

    No.
    Why not? Not remainian enough? It's London.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/872984544475000834
  • TravelJunkie
    TravelJunkie Posts: 431
    AlastairMeeks said:

    The SNP are getting completely blitzed.

    Yes but they are getting MPs elected got 8 so far.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    AlastairMeeks said:

    The SNP are getting completely blitzed.

    Not seeing too much evidence of that. THey're coming through the middle in most places.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    HYUFD said:

    Kirsty Wark now saying it may be new Tory MPs in Scotland give Tories a slender majority overall

    No chance now I think
  • MyBurningEars
    MyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Listening to George Osborne talking on TV is exactly like reading TSE on here.

    Uncanny.

    We are the voices of general election winning policies.

    We are the voices of lower taxation.

    We are the voices of social liberalism.
    Indeed, but unfortunately we lost the referendum
    But Parliament is sovereign which is what the Brexiteers said the referendum was about, not immigration.

    So if Parliament decides to keep us in the EU, or the single market or the customs union, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament.
    If parliament decides to keep Britain in the EU, without further consultation of the electorate, I think that would unleash far darker forces than the Brexit referendum ever did.

    A referendum on accepting a deal I can see happening. Stumbling into a fresh GE on the issue I can see too. But would they risk doing it without a referendum or election?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/872984544475000834

    LOL
  • FattyBolger
    FattyBolger Posts: 299
    Why the fuck do tbey have hourly news on the telly when tbe only people watching are those following the election anyway?
  • Paristonda
    Paristonda Posts: 1,844
    Recount for Farron according to BBC journalist Lucy Manning?!
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Canterbury recount
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Dave and George DID THIS. If Cameron had just multiplied by 2 the effort he put in to securing a sellable Remain case, he would still have looked pathetically lazy, but Remain would have got over the line. Awesome my arse.

    I entirely agree with that and think TSE is flat out wrong. Cameron's "deal" made Brexit possible in the first place.
  • Clown_Car_HQ
    Clown_Car_HQ Posts: 169
    KentRising said:

    Clown_Car_HQ said:

    Recount in Canterbury.

    Shit the bed.
    I have pre-emptively eaten my hat.

    Did wonder a bit after Thornberry's visit. Wouldn't be that sorry to see Brazier go TBH.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/872984544475000834

    I'd take that. Cannot see how it happens though.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    edited June 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Listening to George Osborne talking on TV is exactly like reading TSE on here.

    Uncanny.

    We are the voices of general election winning policies.

    We are the voices of lower taxation.

    We are the voices of social liberalism.
    One small silver lining, might we get our party back a little....to coin a phrase.
    Hopefully.

    I'm going flail the PBers/Tories that denied the awesomeness of Dave and George.
    Dave and George DID THIS. If Cameron had just multiplied by 2 the effort he put in to securing a sellable Remain case, he would still have looked pathetically lazy, but Remain would have got over the line. Awesome my arse.
    Isn't it about time you got over your bitterness about the terrible Remain campaign? It's ancient history now.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Do you think I'll still have a job next week? :|

    http://www.orr.gov.uk/about-orr/how-we-are-funded
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    hunchman said:

    MaxPB said:

    MikeL said:

    waitingfortonight said:

    Tories don't win more than 10 seats in Scotland. And she's already lost how many seats? There is ZERO chance of an overall majority. Lay hard.

    Con have only lost 3 seats so far.
    5 now.
    No way they get a majority now, even with 12 seats potentially in Scotland
    I think we'll lose about 20 in England but gain 10 in Scotland. Down 10 overall.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    It's a damn good night to be a Remainer.
    Bobajob_PB said:

    There is now a real chance that Labour will have most seats but behind on votes.

    FPP being absolutely gamed by the millennials who were being traduced all week for being lazy and feckless on here.

    +1.

    Turns out we know way more about FPTP than Twitter would suggest.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Kevin_McCandless said:

    In one weird way, Prime Minister Corbyn would be like Trump, a slave to old habits. But instead of jetting off to Florida every five seconds, he'll be outside Parliament, leading a protest against his own government.

    Given it's him, if the Tories are on 300 seats, and can't get a majority, they should resign and let him spend 18 months fucking himself. Which he will.

    When his Government falls, then pick up the pieces.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    I don't think Labour are making enough gains from the Tories given Tory gains in Scotland to prevent a Tory government.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    LibDem gain Dunbartonshire East! Well done rcs100
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Paristonda said:

    Recount for Farron according to BBC journalist Lucy Manning?!

    Oh my. It would be a pleasing result to see him out.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    Roger said:

    Scott_P said:

    @isaby: Sorry to see long-standing Brexiteer David Nuttall lose Bury North, despite the lack of a UKIP candidate this time

    Brexit is fucked.

    Hallelujah!
    No. It's terrible for the UK. Some of us don't have foreign boltholes to escape to. :(

    A lesson from this: ignore people who are abroad, or can escape abroad. They are insulated from their decisions.

    Real people are not.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
    More
    #GE2017: Bury North:
    Lab: 53.6% (+12.5)
    Con: 44.5% (+2.5)
    LDem: 1.9% (-0.2)
  • TravelJunkie
    TravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Tamworth Burton rugby use to be marginals never again safe Tory seats
  • EDW20000
    EDW20000 Posts: 138
    2nd Brexit ref' this summer
  • Drutt
    Drutt Posts: 1,125
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    kle4 said:

    When was the last piece of non scottish good news for the Tories? Genuine good news, not increasing majority in a safe seat or barely holding a 10000 majority seat?

    None so far.
    Angus klaxon echoes
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    Paristonda said:

    alex. said:

    Is there any chance that Boris loses?

    No. The tories have two options, Ruth or Boris. Ruth is still in Scotland. No one else has enough profile yet.
    Considering that Ruth isn't a real option, the party is fucked. If Boris is leader, Corbyn is PM.
    Ruth has said before the party may split if Boris gets it. She really hates him, if she makes decent gains in Scotland she may have a kingmaker or queenmaker role, she may have major influence.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    MaxPB said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab gain Bury North

    God we're fucked aren't we.
    Yes. And thanks to *you*.
    Fuck off. I had nothing to do with this awful campaign, and at every turn I've pointed out how awful Theresa May is and how awul her policies are. I've been told by other Tories (and not just on here) that parking our tanks on Labour's lawn was more important than ensuring our supporters actually bloody turned out. Northern ex-Labour voters were more important than middle England marginal voters according to them.
    Labour increased their vote because of an anti austerity vote squeezing ex UKIP voters and LDs and Greens and SNP, not because the Tories were not sufficiently laissez-faire. They thought Brexit was done and immigration would be brought under control so they could now cast a protest vote against inequality and 7 years of austerity
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Con seat projection is going up.
  • Polruan
    Polruan Posts: 2,083
    kyf_100 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Careless to lose Battersea

    We're losing because of hard Brexit in London and house confiscation in middle England. Theresa May is the worst Tory leader I've ever seen, worse even than IDS.
    The narrative changed the day the word 'dementia tax' entered the popular mindset. The moment people realised the Tories were coming for what was theirs.

    Of course Labour are coming for it too, and more...
    The difference is that Labour are coming for a bit from everyone instead of a lot from just those unlucky enough to have high care bills and none from everyone else. Without a crystal ball it seems an easy choice.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Re my Scottish con seats total bet, what are we looking at?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Imagine a referendum where all the lefties voted for the winning side, then a Tory govt just came and said "Nah we'll ignore it!"
  • GarethoftheVale2
    GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    I suppose the only good news for the Cons is that if there is a 2nd election in the Autumn, they can't possibly run as bad a campaign. Can they?
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    MaxPB said:

    another_richard said:

    The Conservatives are going down the shitter in places with expensive houses.

    Single worst policy I've ever seen announced. I and others called it on the night and we got told to shut up by Mrs May's cheerleaders. I hope they are happy now.
    If only they had focus grouped that idea on PB first.

    Instead they use SPADs consisting of well connected fuckwits, self-servers and arse-lickers.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Clown_Car_HQ said:

    KentRising said:

    Clown_Car_HQ said:

    Recount in Canterbury.

    Shit the bed.
    I have pre-emptively eaten my hat.

    Did wonder a bit after Thornberry's visit. Wouldn't be that sorry to see Brazier go TBH.
    He did kill an Italian driving mind....
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    The bastion of Hampshire North East remains solid.
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928
    ITV the best.

    You can't beat Ozzy and Ed.

    Great stuff.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    Chameleon said:

    Paristonda said:

    Recount for Farron according to BBC journalist Lucy Manning?!

    Oh my. It would be a pleasing result to see him out.
    No.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    322 now the forecast.

    Oh this is going to be close...
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    Paristonda said:

    Recount for Farron according to BBC journalist Lucy Manning?!

    May be critical, given he'd ruled out a coalition.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TravelJunkie said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    The SNP are getting completely blitzed.

    Yes but they are getting MPs elected got 8 so far.
    So long as they don't gain Orkney & Shetland, I don't care how many they get. I think was the only buyer of the LDs on Betfair.
  • Chris_A
    Chris_A Posts: 1,237
    Chameleon said:

    Paristonda said:

    alex. said:

    Is there any chance that Boris loses?

    No. The tories have two options, Ruth or Boris. Ruth is still in Scotland. No one else has enough profile yet.
    Considering that Ruth isn't a real option, the party is fucked. If Boris is leader, Corbyn is PM.
    If Boris and IDS both lose I shan't be sober for much of the day,
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited June 2017
    Scott_P said:

    @isaby: Sorry to see long-standing Brexiteer David Nuttall lose Bury North, despite the lack of a UKIP candidate this time

    Brexit is fucked.

    What's happening in England is mainly down to WFA and Dementia tax, NOT Brexit.

    Of course the Labour minority/coalition government is going to make to fatal error of thinking this election allows them to get out of Brexit altogether... Which will ultimately pave the way for Farage...
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Mortimer said:

    322 now the forecast.

    Oh this is going to be close...

    CON+DUP?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @henrymance: The person booking YouGov's Christmas party is currently deciding between Kanye or Beyonce or both.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    EDW20000 said:

    2nd Brexit ref' this summer

    Could they wait a bit? Our head of elections was supposed to retire in May.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    The right wing press has been proved impotent. It is emasculated. That is huge. May followed the Mail and the Sun. A mistake.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Forecast up to 322
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Bobajob_PB said:

    ITV the best.

    You can't beat Ozzy and Ed.

    Great stuff.

    Agreed. We got it through the laptop. Well worth the effort. Dumbarton East Lib Dem gain.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    JosiasJessop said:

    Chameleon said:

    Paristonda said:

    Recount for Farron according to BBC journalist Lucy Manning?!

    Oh my. It would be a pleasing result to see him out.
    No.
    Con gain Westmoreland helps sneak towards the majority too...
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Liberal Democrat GAIN East Dunbartonshire from SNP.
    Jo Swinson back in. pic.twitter.com/ThdiuIC2Wa
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Wonder when the by election in Maidenhead will be? Doubt May would want to stick around...
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Recount in Perth
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Danzuk loses
  • RobinWiggs
    RobinWiggs Posts: 621
    BBC forecast 322/261/32/13

    Phew. Con govt.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    JosiasJessop said:

    Chameleon said:

    Paristonda said:

    Recount for Farron according to BBC journalist Lucy Manning?!

    Oh my. It would be a pleasing result to see him out.
    No.

    The LDs, with more seats while the social conservative, left wing imposter is no longer leader of the LDs? That's an excellent result for me. It increases the chance that I'll have a party to vote for.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Ken Clarke back for more.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    New forecast:

    Con 322!!!!!!!!!
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nickeardleybbc: Tories now think they've won Moray. Result of the night in Scotland if right - means SNP's deputy leader Angus Roberson out
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Listening to George Osborne talking on TV is exactly like reading TSE on here.

    Uncanny.

    We are the voices of general election winning policies.

    We are the voices of lower taxation.

    We are the voices of social liberalism.
    One small silver lining, might we get our party back a little....to coin a phrase.
    Hopefully.

    I'm going flail the PBers/Tories that denied the awesomeness of Dave and George.
    If George Osborne had managed to balance the books as he promised by 2015 we would not have had 2 extra years of austerity which Corbyn has clearly mobilised leftwing voters against tonight (including some who voted UKIP in 2015)
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    isam said:

    Imagine a referendum where all the lefties voted for the winning side, then a Tory govt just came and said "Nah we'll ignore it!"

    It's going to get nasty...
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    con gain Ochil and perthshire
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    SeanT said:

    I now see a 2nd referendum as quite likely.

    An obvious price to offer the Libdems not to vote down a Queen's Speech.

  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    KentRising said:

    Clown_Car_HQ said:

    Recount in Canterbury.

    Shit the bed.
    how we laughed at the Yougov model.....including Messina.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Tories gain Ochil!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories gain Ochil & South Perthshire from SNP.
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928
    The_Apocalypse said:

    It's a damn good night to be a Remainer.

    Bobajob_PB said:

    There is now a real chance that Labour will have most seats but behind on votes.

    FPP being absolutely gamed by the millennials who were being traduced all week for being lazy and feckless on here.

    +1.

    Turns out we know way more about FPTP than Twitter would suggest.
    Quite right.

    Good for you. Good for your generation.
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Sefton Central

    Lab 63%
    Con 33%
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    New forecast looks odd.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    MikeL said:

    New forecast:

    Con 322!!!!!!!!!

    That you are celebrating that number speaks volumes
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    MikeL said:

    New forecast:

    Con 322!!!!!!!!!

    Now I am just plain confused.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I must say I'm enjoying this enormously.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Must be at least a dozen gains in Scotland given that I would think!
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    OCHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • EDW20000
    EDW20000 Posts: 138
    kle4 said:

    EDW20000 said:

    2nd Brexit ref' this summer

    Could they wait a bit? Our head of elections was supposed to retire in May.
    Dont see any other possibility. There will be another referendum, John Major foresaw all of this
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Moray Conservative gain

    Angus Robertson OUT
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited June 2017
    RobinWiggs said:

    BBC forecast 322/261/32/13

    Phew. Con govt.

    That seems so counter-intuitive to the sort of swings we are seeing with Tories losing some safe seats.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    kle4 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/872984544475000834

    I'd take that. Cannot see how it happens though.
    10 gains for the Tories in Scotland.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    322 now the forecast.

    Oh this is going to be close...

    CON+DUP?
    Yeh its going to be a Tory government of some blend or another....
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Fuck yes!
  • GarethoftheVale2
    GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    Robertson gone
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Wow, that's a scalp! Moray
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Does anyone know the Wycombe result? Could be a pointer to the shires.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Con take MORAY!!!!!!!


    WOOOOOOOOOOO
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    ROBERTSON GONE !!!!!!!!!!
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Yes... Angus gone.
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