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No coalition. Confidence & supply. In return for a 2nd Indyref.tlg86 said:
Assuming it was a coalition with the SNP, perhaps one their lot would get Home Sec?SandyRentool said:
In the hypothetical case of Labour forming a government, Cooper would be Home Sec. Corbyn would need a unity cabinet, which would mean the likes of Cooper and Benn being back inside the tent.Pulpstar said:I think it quite right and proper a potential future Home Sec gets thoroughly grilled by the media.
Yvette Cooper in this role, and none of this would have happened.0 -
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...0 -
Indeed, but even if its a 'can' then labours going to have a terrrrrriiiiiiibbbblle night.KentRising said:
Note that's a "can" and not a "will".Slackbladder said:steve hawkes @steve_hawkes 5 mins5 minutes ago
Tories confident they can win in Bolsover - doubt YouGov will show that
Oh Boy...if Skinner loses......0 -
Sigh ...... that feels just like having Rob Crosby back on PB.com.David_Evershed said:
Too big a range to be useful as a predictor.Pulpstar said:Lebo-Norpoth
Historically a great model.
https://twitter.com/tkhartman/status/8546069273845227520 -
She will never be Home Secretary, even in the unlikely event of Corbyn leading a minority government. It wouldn't surprise me if we get an announcement about her health in the next 24 hours.GIN1138 said:
I think she's fine.Barnesian said:
I think she is ill or something more serious with her memory.rkrkrk said:
Tory attacks on Corbyn have been over the top and I think have been preaching to the faithful.Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Abbott on the other hand doesn't need to be attacked - she is destroying her credibility fine on her own.
Plus now journalists see it as an easy win to ask her moderately difficult questions she will crash and burn on. They don't even need to be tough questions - just ones that are specific enough.
It was just a case that she hadn't read the report and tried to blag her way through the interview (as as with the LBC where she hadn't thought to find out how much her police policy would cross)
Basically she's just a waste of space... But then most MP's (of all parties) are to be fair...0 -
The second contradicts the firstMarkHopkins said:bigjohnowls said:
He is right though.AndyJS said:
Calm down.TravelJunkie said:
YOU HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY TO THE COUNTRY TO VOTE CONSERVATIVE.Andrew said:
It's not "throwing shit" when it's true. By her own words, she doesn't feel British, a defeat for the British state is a victory for us all, and Mao (who killed 50 million) did more good than harm.TravelJunkie said:
nothing positive to say just throw shit at diane abbott.
just throw shit at diane abbott.
WHAT IS THE POSITVE TORY MESSAGE?????
A growing economy.
A party that takes Brexit seriously and listens to the people.
The fact that the Tories are not batshit insane like Corbyn and his mates is a bonus.0 -
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.0 -
Home Secretary is one of the top three picks he has to make. The pool wasn't THAT thin.SouthamObserver said:
To be fair to Corbyn - and I am always am, of course - I don't think Abbott got much of a look-in when he had not alienated most of the Labour party and had a far wider selection of MPs to choose from. She was shadowing international development, from memory. It was only when the pool to choose from narrowed significantly that she got more senior.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
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It was 2014rural_voter said:
A lot of people felt desperate after 1987 when the Thatcher One Party State continued its move forward. I heard quite a few otherwise sane people talking politics at parties and saying that they'd welcome an assassin's bullet.Blue_rog said:
Not that large when the current shadow CoE wanted to kill Thatcherrkrkrk said:
I feel the step from defacing placards to mass murder of millions is rather large myself.Blue_rog said:
The cause is all. Any means justifies the ends. The classic Trot approach, just a small step to Stalinist.FattyBolger said:
Absoultely. Systematic defacing of Tory placards etc all around my area including in peoples gardens. Very deliberate and very intimidatory. A kinder gentler politics.dawn21 said:Can I just post my thoughts on shy Tories. I have always voted Tory but the thing I find really really offensive is the left`s attitude to people like me. An example was in the last thread. I have all my life paid tax, done charity work and when I had a business helped our least wealthy clients. This election feels nasty if you dare to mention you are a Tory or pass an opinion you get shouted down. My Facebook feed is dominated by 2 posters who constantly post things from The Canary, between their 500 friends no one likes, shares or comments on it . The lack of posters; why would you after seeing examples of vandalising . I did notice this morning a Tory Councillor who always has a poster didn`t and I don`t think its because she has turned to the Labour Party. If I was faced on the door step or the phone with a Labour canvasser of course I would say I was Labour I don`t want the hassle.I do wonder how many people like me are out there. suppose we shall see on Thursday.
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Sorry Diane, but the SNP made me give Joanna Cherry the Home Secretary brief. Nothing personal honest, we're still friends right....tlg86 said:
Assuming it was a coalition with the SNP, perhaps one their lot would get Home Sec?SandyRentool said:
In the hypothetical case of Labour forming a government, Cooper would be Home Sec. Corbyn would need a unity cabinet, which would mean the likes of Cooper and Benn being back inside the tent.Pulpstar said:I think it quite right and proper a potential future Home Sec gets thoroughly grilled by the media.
Yvette Cooper in this role, and none of this would have happened.0 -
Have you decided how to use your £1500 you had set aside for betting yet?TravelJunkie said:Right now
We have a leader who cannot stop terrorism.
We have a leader who will not put police officers on the streets.
We don't have enough eyes and ears on the ground to stop terrorism
We have no laws and regulations stopping people from visiting
Our NHS is on the verge of collapse
Staff in the NHS cannot continue to be given a 1% pay rise.
AEs are going to be closed so on average if you have a heart attack you will be 45mins from your nearest AE. People will die under this tory policy.
Tory policies
Housing (consultation)
Social Care (consultation)
Brexit (consultation)
We have millions of people that are voting for a party with no clear policies and have a track record of making us unsafe. We have selfish people who are putting their party interests and loyalties ahead of their countries.
Theresa May has overseen 3 terrorist attacks and cut police funding and she is responsible for making our country unsafe.
And you want to talk about diane abbott. Shame on you0 -
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...0 -
A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.0 -
Yvette CooperPaulM said:
Home Secretary is one of the top three picks he has to make. The pool wasn't THAT thin.SouthamObserver said:
To be fair to Corbyn - and I am always am, of course - I don't think Abbott got much of a look-in when he had not alienated most of the Labour party and had a far wider selection of MPs to choose from. She was shadowing international development, from memory. It was only when the pool to choose from narrowed significantly that she got more senior.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Keir Starmer
Jon Cruddas
Andy Burnham
Clive Lewis
Literally ANYONE else.0 -
This is one hell of a thread, despite being from someone with an agenda. Plenty of food for thought:
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Also the fact he is bed-wetting as badly as PB Tories were a couple of weeks ago is surely a pretty decent indicator as to how the respective campaigns are going as we approach the end game.Carolus_Rex said:
Actually it's fascinating.SquareRoot said:
BORING repeating the same drab crap post after post, no one is listening .. Time for your afternoon lessons...TravelJunkie said:
will you ever in your lifetime put your country first and not your party.GIN1138 said:
Will you be departing at 22:01 on Thursday?TravelJunkie said:
it sums up the tory campaignScott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Everyone appears to think Diane Abbott's killing Labour. She's pulled out of 2 events, while Tories now mention her at every turn.
nothing positive to say just throw shit at diane abbott.
i cant wait till june 9th because for the next 5 years your defending a party with no policies, nothing positive to say and all your going to have left to do is throw shit at the otherside because you cant defend your own.
at least i care about my country. shame half the people put party before country.
Having read his first post a week or so ago (rather bizarre request for betting tips) and with the election so close we are getting to watch the entire life cycle of an astroturfer. It's a bit like watching a timelapse movie of some revolting insect undergoing metamorphosis. Thrilling stuff.0 -
We've not had such an inept troller on pbc since that girl who lived in a cardboard box.0
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Wow!El_Capitano said:
Heh, ok. There's a LD diamond on the edge of Chipping Norton which says "It's got to be... Andy" (referring to their county council candidate), and "Cooke" has been added underneath it...Andy_Cooke said:'Fraid not - I'm in Wantage rather than OxWAb, and I don't have a LD diamond up. Unless the missus has put one up today without telling me...
There's another me in Oxfordshire!0 -
The second contradicts itself.FF43 said:
The second contradicts the firstMarkHopkins said:bigjohnowls said:
He is right though.AndyJS said:
Calm down.TravelJunkie said:
YOU HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY TO THE COUNTRY TO VOTE CONSERVATIVE.Andrew said:
It's not "throwing shit" when it's true. By her own words, she doesn't feel British, a defeat for the British state is a victory for us all, and Mao (who killed 50 million) did more good than harm.TravelJunkie said:
nothing positive to say just throw shit at diane abbott.
just throw shit at diane abbott.
WHAT IS THE POSITVE TORY MESSAGE?????
A growing economy.
A party that takes Brexit seriously and listens to the people.
The fact that the Tories are not batshit insane like Corbyn and his mates is a bonus.0 -
Abbott a great big fat 0. Fishfinger 2/10. May 4/10. Corbyn 6/10. The rest nobody cares about.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.
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Quite.Barnesian said:
She will never be Home Secretary, even in then unlikely event of Corbyn leading a minority government. It wouldn't surprise me if we get an announcement about her health in the next 24 hours.GIN1138 said:
I think she's fine.Barnesian said:
I think she is ill or something more serious with her memory.rkrkrk said:
Tory attacks on Corbyn have been over the top and I think have been preaching to the faithful.Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Abbott on the other hand doesn't need to be attacked - she is destroying her credibility fine on her own.
Plus now journalists see it as an easy win to ask her moderately difficult questions she will crash and burn on. They don't even need to be tough questions - just ones that are specific enough.
It was just a case that she hadn't read the report and tried to blag her way through the interview (as as with the LBC where she hadn't thought to find out how much her police policy would cross)
Basically she's just a waste of space... But then most MP's (of all parties) are to be fair...
The campaign to demonise Corbyn has failed, dismally. We now have an attempt to demonise a woman who in the unlikely event of a Corbyn Government is unlikely to become Home Secretary.
This is what passes for a campaign? This is what a snap election was called for?0 -
Who is Fishfinger? Farron?Jason said:
Abbott a great big fat 0. Fishfinger 2/10. May 4/10. Corbyn 6/10. The rest nobody cares about.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.
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What on earth has Diane Abbott done of use to be worthy of 1/10? 0 would be overstating her performance.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.0 -
The Tories have lost a seat somewhere with YouGov's election centre forecast. Yesterday they were on 305, now 304:
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/0 -
If the options are 'what's in the box' or Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott, it's 'what's in the box' for me every timeTravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.0 -
Continuing the trend of the quality of the preceding ones.TheScreamingEagles said:
Next Labour leader, nailed on.Scrapheap_as_was said:
And yet there's always the remote but not impossible chance she could have the last laugh come Friday....isam said:
I despise her, but I do feel sorry for now. This is public humiliation of biblical proportionsScott_P said:@George_Osborne: Diane Abbott has pulled out of @EveningStandard hustings. It's not like someone who wants to be Home Sec has much to talk about these days..
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Yep. I keep having a similar problem - been playing with the numbers a bit, everything ends up with these enormous wide distributions. There just isn't enough public data.David_Evershed said:
Too big a range to be useful as a predictor.0 -
Yes, indeed.Patrick said:
Who is Fishfinger? Farron?Jason said:
Abbott a great big fat 0. Fishfinger 2/10. May 4/10. Corbyn 6/10. The rest nobody cares about.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.0 -
In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.0
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She's worth one out of ten for comedic value alone.not_on_fire said:
What on earth has Diane Abbott done of use to be worthy of 1/10? 0 would be overstating her performance.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.0 -
The SNP are up 4 from 42 to 46, at the expense of Con (-1), Lab (-2) and LD (-1).AndyJS said:The Tories have lost a seat somewhere with YouGov's election centre forecast. Yesterday they were on 305, now 304:
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/0 -
Does turning up count?not_on_fire said:
What on earth has Diane Abbott done of use to be worthy of 1/10? 0 would be overstating her performance.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.0 -
Textor / Messina are either about to blow their reputations in such a massive way will they ever work again or it is polling inquiry Mk II.Slackbladder said:steve hawkes @steve_hawkes 5 mins5 minutes ago
Tories confident they can win in Bolsover - doubt YouGov will show that
Oh Boy...if Skinner loses......0 -
Only to a max of £30K at bit low for a Tory fat cat bankerTravelJunkie said:In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.
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I am not sure Ruth Davidson has had that great a campaign. I think she has been overexposed. My prediction for the next GE after this one is that parties will dial back on the presidentialism. It can be risky as you diminish the core party brand, while personal brand of the leaders is very fragile.0
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Abbott has helped focussed peoples' minds onto the Tory police cuts which will be an issue for a few in the ballot box over her own dire performances. Albeit very clumsily. Hence the 1.
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Barry Gardiner has been a star in the campaign. My other half is very impressed by him.Barnesian said:
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...0 -
Why Fishfinger? Has he cornered the fish market? Has he put his finger somewhere smelly? Is his spaniel called 'Fish'? Que passa?Jason said:
Yes, indeed.Patrick said:
Who is Fishfinger? Farron?Jason said:
Abbott a great big fat 0. Fishfinger 2/10. May 4/10. Corbyn 6/10. The rest nobody cares about.Pulpstar said:
Campaign Scores:tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.
Corbyn: 8/10 Has surpassed all expectations
Thornberry: 7/10 Has done well
McDonnell: 6/10 Bit invisible, most toxic backstory of the lot but has done OK
Abbot: 1/10 Chief recruiting seargent for the Tories and could tilt ballot box waverers.
Dugdale: 4/10 Bit invisible compared to Nicola and Ruth
May: 5/10 Appalling manifesto. Ducked interviews, performed OK when she has had to. Well liked amongst target demographic of kippers.
Rudd: 8/10 Excellent campaign, performed very very well in the debate.
Bojo: 6/10 Bit off message, might be useful in the home stretch to get kippers out though - well liked still.
Hammond: 5/10 Astonishingly invisible for a chancellor, but still thought of as a safe pair of hands for the country.
Davidson: 9/10 Will get tactical Lib Dem & Kipper support. Excellent campaign. Few numpty councillors to deal with
Tim Farron: 4/10 Poor campaign, been found out really. Might well outperform in SW London.
Willie Rennie: 8/10 Seems a marked contrast to the campaign south of the border.
Paul Nuttall: 2/10 Ignored. Has done some of the dirty work on immigration for the Tories quite honestly.
Nicola Sturgeon: 6/10 Has looked competent to me, always a tricky wicket for the SNP
Caroline Lucas: 8/10 Will be swamped by Jez's left wingery though.
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Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/8720810570588897280 -
None of these was available for different reasons. The only options were those people currently in the shadow cabinet. Abbott is utterly awful, but she was willing to serve, so she got the gig. I suspect she likes being on the telly, just like John McDonnell does.Pulpstar said:
Yvette CooperPaulM said:
Home Secretary is one of the top three picks he has to make. The pool wasn't THAT thin.SouthamObserver said:
To be fair to Corbyn - and I am always am, of course - I don't think Abbott got much of a look-in when he had not alienated most of the Labour party and had a far wider selection of MPs to choose from. She was shadowing international development, from memory. It was only when the pool to choose from narrowed significantly that she got more senior.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Keir Starmer
Jon Cruddas
Andy Burnham
Clive Lewis
Literally ANYONE else.
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing?TravelJunkie said:In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.
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It was.PaulM said:
Home Secretary is one of the top three picks he has to make. The pool wasn't THAT thin.SouthamObserver said:
To be fair to Corbyn - and I am always am, of course - I don't think Abbott got much of a look-in when he had not alienated most of the Labour party and had a far wider selection of MPs to choose from. She was shadowing international development, from memory. It was only when the pool to choose from narrowed significantly that she got more senior.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
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I wonder what 'everything' encompasses?Patrick said:The word I would use for Diane Abbot is not 'inept' so much as 'repellant'. Everything about her. Everything. The Tories will be praying for her as Labour leader if Jezza gets defenestrated.
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The best Brexit negotiating team would probably be Starmer, Gardiner & Davis.0
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TravelJunkie said:
In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.
Unlikely. Corbyn won't win.
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Unfortunately he reminds me of a psycopath who smiles as he cuts bits off you in some z rated horror flickSandyRentool said:
Barry Gardiner has been a star in the campaign. My other half is very impressed by him.Barnesian said:
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...0 -
I'm actually rather surprised that PB hasn't been overrun by Momentum, like the rest of the Internet seems to have been.chrisb said:
Also the fact he is bed-wetting as badly as PB Tories were a couple of weeks ago is surely a pretty decent indicator as to how the respective campaigns are going as we approach the end game.Carolus_Rex said:
Actually it's fascinating.SquareRoot said:
BORING repeating the same drab crap post after post, no one is listening .. Time for your afternoon lessons...TravelJunkie said:
will you ever in your lifetime put your country first and not your party.GIN1138 said:
Will you be departing at 22:01 on Thursday?TravelJunkie said:
it sums up the tory campaignScott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Everyone appears to think Diane Abbott's killing Labour. She's pulled out of 2 events, while Tories now mention her at every turn.
nothing positive to say just throw shit at diane abbott.
i cant wait till june 9th because for the next 5 years your defending a party with no policies, nothing positive to say and all your going to have left to do is throw shit at the otherside because you cant defend your own.
at least i care about my country. shame half the people put party before country.
Having read his first post a week or so ago (rather bizarre request for betting tips) and with the election so close we are getting to watch the entire life cycle of an astroturfer. It's a bit like watching a timelapse movie of some revolting insect undergoing metamorphosis. Thrilling stuff.0 -
Well suited to Brussels negotiations indeedBlue_rog said:
Unfortunately he reminds me of a psycopath who smiles as he cuts bits off you in some z rated horror flickSandyRentool said:
Barry Gardiner has been a star in the campaign. My other half is very impressed by him.Barnesian said:
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...0 -
I watched this Tony Benn interview from 1980 last night. Amazingly similar MO to 2017 Corbyn. The way he spoke reminded me a lot of McDonnell actually. The crisis in Labour, worth a watch
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I don't like to keep criticising YouGov's new method for forecasting seats, but this is what they've got for Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, (central prediction):
SNP 38%
Con 28%
LD 22%
Lab 16%
I can't imagine the Tories coming second. The result in 2015 was:
SNP 46%
LD 35%
Lab 9%
Con 7%
UKIP 3%0 -
au contraire, we're just waiting for the signal.BigIan said:
I'm actually rather surprised that PB hasn't been overrun by Momentum, like the rest of the Internet seems to have been.chrisb said:
Also the fact he is bed-wetting as badly as PB Tories were a couple of weeks ago is surely a pretty decent indicator as to how the respective campaigns are going as we approach the end game.Carolus_Rex said:
Actually it's fascinating.SquareRoot said:
BORING repeating the same drab crap post after post, no one is listening .. Time for your afternoon lessons...TravelJunkie said:
will you ever in your lifetime put your country first and not your party.GIN1138 said:
Will you be departing at 22:01 on Thursday?TravelJunkie said:
it sums up the tory campaignScott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Everyone appears to think Diane Abbott's killing Labour. She's pulled out of 2 events, while Tories now mention her at every turn.
nothing positive to say just throw shit at diane abbott.
i cant wait till june 9th because for the next 5 years your defending a party with no policies, nothing positive to say and all your going to have left to do is throw shit at the otherside because you cant defend your own.
at least i care about my country. shame half the people put party before country.
Having read his first post a week or so ago (rather bizarre request for betting tips) and with the election so close we are getting to watch the entire life cycle of an astroturfer. It's a bit like watching a timelapse movie of some revolting insect undergoing metamorphosis. Thrilling stuff.0 -
oh. wait.
too soon.0 -
Blue_rog said:
Unfortunately he reminds me of a psycopath who smiles as he cuts bits off you in some z rated horror flickSandyRentool said:
Barry Gardiner has been a star in the campaign. My other half is very impressed by him.Barnesian said:
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...I know what you mean. He is good humoured but he certainly doesn't take prisoners or (bullshit questions). I rate him highly.
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He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/872081057058889728
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Friday is going to make the fallout from the EU ref look as placid as a WI meeting.bigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority0 -
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It's the first £30k that's tax free.TravelJunkie said:In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.
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I think that we have had a classic example of why snap elections are a bad idea. Nobody had time to sort out a proper manifesto, or plan a cohesive disciplined campaign.Peter_the_Punter said:
Quite.Barnesian said:
She will never be Home Secretary, even in then unlikely event of Corbyn leading a minority government. It wouldn't surprise me if we get an announcement about her health in the next 24 hours.GIN1138 said:
I think she's fine.Barnesian said:
I think she is ill or something more serious with her memory.rkrkrk said:
Tory attacks on Corbyn have been over the top and I think have been preaching to the faithful.Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Abbott on the other hand doesn't need to be attacked - she is destroying her credibility fine on her own.
Plus now journalists see it as an easy win to ask her moderately difficult questions she will crash and burn on. They don't even need to be tough questions - just ones that are specific enough.
It was just a case that she hadn't read the report and tried to blag her way through the interview (as as with the LBC where she hadn't thought to find out how much her police policy would cross)
Basically she's just a waste of space... But then most MP's (of all parties) are to be fair...
The campaign to demonise Corbyn has failed, dismally. We now have an attempt to demonise a woman who in the unlikely event of a Corbyn Government is unlikely to become Home Secretary.
This is what passes for a campaign? This is what a snap election was called for?
This played into Corbyn's hands as the only leader who has been on the stump for the last year, and also the advantage of having a manifesto that is still much the same as 1983 with some minor tweaks.
All the Tories can do is personalised attacks. Strong and stable, my arse!0 -
I rather like Thornberry despite her politics. She is personable (and has a lovely voice).Barnesian said:
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...0 -
Yeah, that would work.tlg86 said:
Assuming it was a coalition with the SNP, perhaps one their lot would get Home Sec?SandyRentool said:
In the hypothetical case of Labour forming a government, Cooper would be Home Sec. Corbyn would need a unity cabinet, which would mean the likes of Cooper and Benn being back inside the tent.Pulpstar said:I think it quite right and proper a potential future Home Sec gets thoroughly grilled by the media.
Yvette Cooper in this role, and none of this would have happened.
'The Home Secretary is responsible for the internal affairs of England and Wales, and for immigration and citizenship for the United Kingdom. The remit of the Home Office also includes policing in England and Wales'0 -
I saw that yesterday. It's a bit of a wooden performance, to put it mildly.bigjohnowls said:0 -
Involuntary redundancies should be one month salary per year service tax free. So if you work five years it should be months salary gross x5 = redundancy. Big companies in the city are offering 3 months for staff over 5-10 years. Disgraceful.Alice_Aforethought said:
It's the first £30k that's tax free.TravelJunkie said:In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.
20% of the worlds service jobs will be in India by 2040.0 -
Well it's not great certainly.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
Presumably Corbyn will be asked if he has confidence in DA to be home secretary...
It's funny how things can change - back in 2011 the Telegraph of all people said she was "one of Labour's best front bench performers"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/8787643/The-Top-100-Most-Influential-People-on-the-Left-2011-25-51.html
And she is loyal to Corbyn so I can see the appeal there.0 -
No leader can "stop terrorism". Though very many plots are foiled, the odd one will always get lucky. Trying to score cheap political points from terrorist attacks to win an election is desperate and frankly appalling, and it is an insult both to the victims and to the police who dealt with the London Bridge incident magnificently. Time the moderators called time on your trolling IMO.TravelJunkie said:Right now
We have a leader who cannot stop terrorism.
We have a leader who will not put police officers on the streets.
We don't have enough eyes and ears on the ground to stop terrorism
We have no laws and regulations stopping people from visiting
Our NHS is on the verge of collapse
Staff in the NHS cannot continue to be given a 1% pay rise.
AEs are going to be closed so on average if you have a heart attack you will be 45mins from your nearest AE. People will die under this tory policy.
Tory policies
Housing (consultation)
Social Care (consultation)
Brexit (consultation)
We have millions of people that are voting for a party with no clear policies and have a track record of making us unsafe. We have selfish people who are putting their party interests and loyalties ahead of their countries.
Theresa May has overseen 3 terrorist attacks and cut police funding and she is responsible for making our country unsafe.
And you want to talk about diane abbott. Shame on you0 -
A National Government?Pulpstar said:The best Brexit negotiating team would probably be Starmer, Gardiner & Davis.
It would unite the country...0 -
Nia Griffith has been the standout performance for me.SandyRentool said:
Barry Gardiner has been a star in the campaign. My other half is very impressed by him.Barnesian said:
I think the Labour Brexit team of Starmer, Thornberry and Gardiner is a good deal stronger than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Though I do rate Davis.foxinsoxuk said:
Really? There's me thinking Starmer was Shadow Brexit!Travelgall said:
They won't work with him.tpfkar said:
Before the election I assumed that Corbyn would be a huge drag on the Labour ticket,and didn't think that the likes of Abbott, McDonnell and Thornberry would be a big deal, unimpressive as they can be. But he has had a strong campaign (and shown real steel given everything thrown at him) but his lieutenants have been badly exposed in a way he couldn't have expected. I just wonder whether he'd rather have had a Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer in one of those roles right now.isam said:
What does it say for Corbyn's judgement that the person he chose to be his Shadow Home Sec is not only incompetent beyond all measure, he also happened to have a relationship with her? This is just a socialist, crappy version of Fat Cat "jobs for the boys"rkrkrk said:
If they're pulling her off the air I suspect not a good sign.SimonStClare said:
Don’t think Abbott is seen as dangerous, just utterly inept, which is not not a good look for a possible future Labour cabinet. How loyal will Jeremy be to her after the election?Patrick said:The Tories always assumed that Corbyn himself would be the electoral poison. This may or may not be true, but it seems he is reinventing himself as a cuddly grandpa with a jam hose. But I think Diane Abbot is indeed emerging as a truly toxic individual. The Tories should make more of it.
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Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/8720810570588897280 -
Corbyn needs as big a defeat as possible unfortunately. I never felt that way about Miliband.foxinsoxuk said:
A National Government?Pulpstar said:The best Brexit negotiating team would probably be Starmer, Gardiner & Davis.
It would unite the country...0 -
I'm sorry about your experiences, but I'm afraid there are a few nasty people around on all sides. A 90-year-old friend told me yesterday that someone had come into her garden and tore down her Labour poster. She's robust and quite reasonably didn't think the intruder necessairly knew she was 90, but it's unnerving all the same. As with all vandalism and graffiti I suspect that the offenders don't always realise that they're causing huge upset.FattyBolger said:
Absoultely. Systematic defacing of Tory placards etc all around my area including in peoples gardens. Very deliberate and very intimidatory. A kinder gentler politics.dawn21 said:Can I just post my thoughts on shy Tories. I have always voted Tory but the thing I find really really offensive is the left`s attitude to people like me. An example was in the last thread. I have all my life paid tax, done charity work and when I had a business helped our least wealthy clients. This election feels nasty if you dare to mention you are a Tory or pass an opinion you get shouted down. My Facebook feed is dominated by 2 posters who constantly post things from The Canary, between their 500 friends no one likes, shares or comments on it . The lack of posters; why would you after seeing examples of vandalising . I did notice this morning a Tory Councillor who always has a poster didn`t and I don`t think its because she has turned to the Labour Party. If I was faced on the door step or the phone with a Labour canvasser of course I would say I was Labour I don`t want the hassle.I do wonder how many people like me are out there. suppose we shall see on Thursday.
As in bigger things, it's important not to be intimidated. Show a poster for whomever you support, post your views on Facebook, and deal politely but firmly with any hassle (you don't actually say you've been hassled on FB? - your friends are entitled to their views, and if it puts you off them you can unfriend them). That's what I've always done here and elsewhere and as long-standing contributors know I've had to shrug off a certain amount of nastiness. Don't let them win.0 -
I'm convinced. I'm now going to vote Labour.TravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.0 -
I would have no problem with her inviting Starmer into the negotiating team. I wouldn't want Barry Gardiner anywhere near it though.foxinsoxuk said:
A National Government?Pulpstar said:The best Brexit negotiating team would probably be Starmer, Gardiner & Davis.
It would unite the country...0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
If ICM is just plain accurate, it'd be great for the blues. This is written in a slightly downcast way for the Conservatives, but it's perfectly good news, if true. They're ahead if they're ahead because polls are accurate, and if they're behind in polling you can add 5 (as it were) and they still do ok.
Sticking with my 60-80 seat majority, though the octo-lemur reckon it'll be 102.0 -
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/872081057058889728
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This can only have happened because so many people refused to take the problem seriously enough.
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I don't understand how they can be even close. UKIP total still leaves them 2k short on the most optimistic model. Unless Skinner's done f-all for the last few years ?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/872081057058889728-1 -
I think that's very plausible personally.AndyJS said:I don't like to keep criticising YouGov's new method for forecasting seats, but this is what they've got for Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, (central prediction):
SNP 38%
Con 28%
LD 22%
Lab 16%
I can't imagine the Tories coming second. The result in 2015 was:
SNP 46%
LD 35%
Lab 9%
Con 7%
UKIP 3%
I think ALL the Scottish polls have the LibDems down on 2015 now, with the lion's share of their losses going to the Tories (unlike in England and Wales where their losses are mostly going to Labour). But already in 2015, the LibDems lost their deposits in 47 of 59 Scottish seats, so there's only so much more support they can lose in most of those seats -- therefore, most of the LibDems' losses must be coming from the seats where they remained strong in 2015.0 -
OK...TravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.0 -
Tories from 7% to 28%?Danny565 said:
I think that's very plausible personally.AndyJS said:I don't like to keep criticising YouGov's new method for forecasting seats, but this is what they've got for Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, (central prediction):
SNP 38%
Con 28%
LD 22%
Lab 16%
I can't imagine the Tories coming second. The result in 2015 was:
SNP 46%
LD 35%
Lab 9%
Con 7%
UKIP 3%
I think ALL the Scottish polls have the LibDems down on 2015 now, with the lion's share of their losses going to the Tories (unlike in England and Wales where their losses are mostly going to Labour). But already in 2015, the LibDems lost their deposits in 47 of 59 Scottish seats, so there's only so much more support they can lose in most of those seats -- therefore, most of the LibDems' losses must be coming from the seats where they remained strong in 2015.0 -
isam said:
This can only have happened because so many people refused to take the problem seriously enough.
https://twitter.com/SamWhiteTky/status/871782332985888768I do find that tweet funny - a bit Pythonesque - 'Can I have something without spam?'
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Do you work in the City?TravelJunkie said:
Involuntary redundancies should be one month salary per year service tax free. So if you work five years it should be months salary gross x5 = redundancy. Big companies in the city are offering 3 months for staff over 5-10 years. Disgraceful.Alice_Aforethought said:
It's the first £30k that's tax free.TravelJunkie said:In the city after this election, watch the number of voluntary redundancies will be offered to staff in the finance sector. 3 months pay tax free take it or leave it.
20% of the worlds service jobs will be in India by 2040.
Do you know anything about the legal requirements? Because you are talking tosh. The legal requirements on redundancy are pretty minimal. Anything more than that is in the gift of companies.
Generally redundancy programmes are usually much more generous than what you are claiming. It is quite common to have a redundancy programme offering one month's salary for every full year worked up to a maximum of 12 months. A year's salary with the first £30K tax free is equivalent to about 14 months salary. Not at all disgraceful. And then there is the notice period as well.
One bank (in which taxpayers have a rather large shareholding) offers a maximum of two years' salary.
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Travel. Plus Junkie.TravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.
Seems a bit spoofy. Does anyone know someone with connections to travel and hard drugs and a propensity for noms de plume?
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Another good post Nick. However in my experience over 50 years conservatives have generally been reluctant to display postersNickPalmer said:
I'm sorry about your experiences, but I'm afraid there are a few nasty people around on all sides. A 90-year-old friend told me yesterday that someone had come into her garden and tore down her Labour poster. She's robust and quite reasonably didn't think the intruder necessairly knew she was 90, but it's unnerving all the same. As with all vandalism and graffiti I suspect that the offenders don't always realise that they're causing huge upset.FattyBolger said:
Absoultely. Systematic defacing of Tory placards etc all around my area including in peoples gardens. Very deliberate and very intimidatory. A kinder gentler politics.dawn21 said:Can I just post my thoughts on shy Tories. I have always voted Tory but the thing I find really really offensive is the left`s attitude to people like me. An example was in the last thread. I have all my life paid tax, done charity work and when I had a business helped our least wealthy clients. This election feels nasty if you dare to mention you are a Tory or pass an opinion you get shouted down. My Facebook feed is dominated by 2 posters who constantly post things from The Canary, between their 500 friends no one likes, shares or comments on it . The lack of posters; why would you after seeing examples of vandalising . I did notice this morning a Tory Councillor who always has a poster didn`t and I don`t think its because she has turned to the Labour Party. If I was faced on the door step or the phone with a Labour canvasser of course I would say I was Labour I don`t want the hassle.I do wonder how many people like me are out there. suppose we shall see on Thursday.
As in bigger things, it's important not to be intimidated. Show a poster for whomever you support, post your views on Facebook, and deal politely but firmly with any hassle (you don't actually say you've been hassled on FB? - your friends are entitled to their views, and if it puts you off them you can unfriend them). That's what I've always done here and elsewhere and as long-standing contributors know I've had to shrug off a certain amount of nastiness. Don't let them win.0 -
Bang goes my hopes of Skinner becoming the father of the house…rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
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Hmmmmmmm.....camel said:
Travel. Plus Junkie.TravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.
Seems a bit spoofy. Does anyone know someone with connections to travel and hard drugs and a propensity for noms de plume?0 -
Labour -> Con transfers? Corbyn isn't as popular outside the cities.BannedInParis said:
I don't understand how they can be even close. UKIP total still leaves them 2k short on the most optimistic model. Unless Skinner's done f-all for the last few years ?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
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Is it just rumour? Who knows.SimonStClare said:
Bang goes my hopes of Skinner becoming the father of the house…rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/872081057058889728
If Bolsover has fallen, then my bet on Tories at 400+ looks a winner.0 -
Whilst I don't think it will happen, I can kind of understand why it might be in play given the demographics of the area. The pits have been shuts a long time now, times have changed.BannedInParis said:
I don't understand how they can be even close. UKIP total still leaves them 2k short on the most optimistic model. Unless Skinner's done f-all for the last few years ?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
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Well, hopefully on two possibly three levelsRobD said:
Labour -> Con transfers? Corbyn isn't as popular outside the cities.BannedInParis said:
I don't understand how they can be even close. UKIP total still leaves them 2k short on the most optimistic model. Unless Skinner's done f-all for the last few years ?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/8720810570588897280 -
Ordered seat 474 in my model and should be miles out of reach right now. I doubt it is ordered seat 474 though in reality.BannedInParis said:
I don't understand how they can be even close. UKIP total still leaves them 2k short on the most optimistic model. Unless Skinner's done f-all for the last few years ?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
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Yes, but he can spell. And whatever else he may be, he's never boring!camel said:
Travel. Plus Junkie.TravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.
Seems a bit spoofy. Does anyone know someone with connections to travel and hard drugs and a propensity for noms de plume?0 -
Will Tim Farron support a progressive alliance headed by Jeremy Corbyn?
Latest YouGov numbers:
Lab 266, SNP 46, LD 12, PC 2, Greens 1. Total: 327.0 -
On Sunday, on this site somebody mentioned the LibDems using an Egyptian call Center, I was dismissive at the time as it did not seem logical, but I now see that Guido Fawlks is making the same allegation (without much evidence)
I am skeptical but intrigued, it does not seem like a sensible thing to do, because 1) it has a big risk of negative publicity 2) its relatively expensive for a party without much cash 3) Unless the callers are first language English seekers with a reasonable knowledge of UK politics it has the risk of being counter productive.
Does anybody know what is happening? at a push I can see the party paying for some privet poling to see how they are doing in a handful of seats, and using the lowest bidder not realizing that they are Egyptian based, but if this was the case how would the callers know who had called?0 -
He's trying to be Tim late of this parishCarolus_Rex said:
Yes, but he can spell. And whatever else he may be, he's never boring!camel said:
Travel. Plus Junkie.TravelJunkie said:A truth on thursday 9th june
Unless the tories reveal their intentions for the next 5 years with concrete policies then on june 9th we have one truth
Anyone voting Tory cares solely about their party and not their country.
The rest of the UK cannot take 5 years of doing nothing but cut taxes for the 1% and cuts for everyone else.
Seems a bit spoofy. Does anyone know someone with connections to travel and hard drugs and a propensity for noms de plume?0 -
Nah, no matter the result in Bolsover, Ken Clarke's going to be the father of the House.SimonStClare said:
Bang goes my hopes of Skinner becoming the father of the house…rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993SimonStClare said:
Poor lad, I don’t envy his taxi passengers next Friday either…kjohnw said:
He is going to be in for a very traumatic Fridaybigjohnowls said:Oh dear imagine this guy post exit poll.
Suicide watch or what. Why do people like him not see Tories are winning this with an increased Majority
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/8720810570588897280 -
For Skinner to lose, surely the polls even when the election was called would have to be on the low side for the Tories? I've never considered it remotely in play, couldn't work out why they were jerking around in the seat (unless it was purely payback to piss off Skinner).Slackbladder said:steve hawkes @steve_hawkes 5 mins5 minutes ago
Tories confident they can win in Bolsover - doubt YouGov will show that
Oh Boy...if Skinner loses......
Be astonishing if they get within 3,000. And if Skinner gets back by even one vote, he will be insufferable! "All those Tory bankers giving millions to their corrupt friends in the Tory party, and even then when they spent it all in Bolsover, they couldn't budge me....[continued ad infinitum]"0 -
According to Yougov, the smallest Con majorities will be
Moray 1.5%
Peterborough 1.4%
Norfolk North 1.3%
Norwich North 0.8%
Reading East 0.6%
Bath 0.6%
Oxford West & Abingdon 0.4%
Lewes 0.4%
Carlisle 0.1%
High Peak 0.0%
and the smallest non-Con majorities will be
Broxtowe -0.3%
Barrow & Furness -0.4%
Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East -0.4%
Carshalton & Wallington -0.6%
Swindon South -0.6%
Walsall North -1.1%
Eastbourne -1.3%
Southampton Itchen -1.3%
Ochil & Perthshire South -1.5%
Keighley -1.6%
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I haven't taken home grown jihadis at all seriously since I watched 4 Lions.isam said:This can only have happened because so many people refused to take the problem seriously enough.
https://twitter.com/SamWhiteTky/status/871782332985888768
Rubber Dinghy Rapids.
That changed 2 weeks ago. Maybe for others too.0