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Which implies there is no more support out there for the LDs. If the LDs had two London based operatives directing 8 or 10 other helpers in Sedbergh for the Cumbria CC Elections - and they did, then what were they doing ? Either they were getting out voters who would have stayed at home otherwise or they were wasting time. In view of Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale having I think the highest turnout in Cumbria, and probably anywhere on 4 May, at 55% I assume they were doing something. In that case, how many more LDs are there in Sedbergh to come out for Timmy on Thursday. Proportionally fewer than there are Tories.Pulpstar said:
One thing is that the Lib Dem vote comes out for every parish, town hall and all other local elections. Alot of support for the big two only bothers for a GE.rcs1000 said:
Ultimately, though, Tim Farron is a social conservative with left wing economic views.theakes said:Yes, but the process has been more than helped by a misdirected and out of touch campaign by the Lib Dems who blew it in the first fortnight by allowing Labour to totally dominate the scene. There was no way back after that. Whoever advised their campaign may be looking for a P45.
Hammond might be PM by the weekend someone said, he might be Leader of the Opposition?
If you are a social conservative, then your are already well served by the Conservatives.
If you have left wing economic views, there is the Labour Party.
There is a niche for the Liberal Democrats. Under Tim Farron, who seems to have found it all a bit too much, they are not filling it.
Sedbergh is the most extreme example of this in Westmorland - it was always the hardest seat for the LDs to hold - curious they lost Windermere, presumably the Tories had a better candidate - but also the LDs didn't fight as hard there.
You might think the LDs would be trying harder in the four Kendal divisions where they had lesser fights on May 4 but the evidence on the ground suggests they are concentrating on their weakest Kendal division - one Kendal CCC has gone up to Carlisle to be parliamentary candidate.
Whilst we don't have much time for Farron himself W&L Conservatives do not under-estimate the power of the LD machine. Elections have always been intense in W&L since 2001 but it seems to me that CCHQ do not intend Farron to still be an MP on Friday, and they do not expect him to be either.0 -
I was reading May's speech just now and for a second was genuinely bewildered that she was going on about Brexit - then remembered ah yes, that's what this election is supposed to be about. Really a classic example that you can't safely call an eleciton on one issue and expect it to stay that way.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Perhaps she should have called a referendum or something
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Well said. Political differences aside, it was a hell of an effort by the police.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
Those three terrorists would've set out thinking they'd kill a lot more people on a warm summer night with the UCL final on, in a trendy bar-area of London. To each be dead in eight minutes is very impressive.0 -
I am sure it will improve under the firm guidance of Diane Abbott.kjohnw said:
of course eight minutes from emergency call to 3 dead terrorists must be down to lack of police resources........bigjohnowls said:0 -
If I was doing a "wild stab in the dark", I would reckon the LDs would be more likely to get another London seat than Leeds NW. (I.e. one of Kingston, RP and C&W).Pulpstar said:Orkney and Shetland
Ceredigion
Westmorland and Lonsdale
Edinborough West
Twickenham
North East Fife
East Dunbartonshire
Sheffield, Hallam
Leeds North West
Do I win a prize if that is the final Lib Dem list ?
Looks very plausible to me that those 9 are won and no others. I've arranged into my personal order of probability too.
Other than that, it looks a very reasonable guesstimate.0 -
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And yet this government has added £700bn to the national debt since that cretin Byrne left his joke noteAlsoIndigo said:
Maybe not spending all the money so the government had to cut stuff would have been a good start.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
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I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.0 -
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If it's 'often said' doesn't that suggest there are a lot of stupid people about, considering The Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998.DecrepitJohnL said:
Another factor for the IRA was to keep its supporters both in Ireland and America onside, so there evolved a system of attacks against "justified" targets preceded by coded warnings to evacuate -- moving away from murdering civilians in pubs (or horses in parks or 8-year-olds at concerts) that caused a drop in donations.Sean_F said:
In most cases, there's a kind of unspoken bargain between the terrorists and security services. Each accepts limits on what they're willing to do. But, if the IRA had been carrying out random bombings on the Tube, or of pop concerts, I imagine the authorities would have responded much like the Israelis.Theuniondivvie said:
What would you have considered a 'much more savage response' in the context of the Troubles?Sean_F said:
But, then public opinion might have supported a much more savage response from the authorities.TheScreamingEagles said:
There was a piece in The Times a few weeks ago which said if the IRA had the technology available now they would have caused a lot more carnage.Sean_F said:One big difference is that while PIRA were willing to risk their lives, they never carried out suicide attacks (they forced other people to).
It's very difficult to provide complete protection, when the attacker is willing to die as a martyr.
They'd have loved having mobile phones that triggered bombs for example
I'd imagine much of the time (like so many of these nasty little wars), a much more savage response was what the IRA wanted.
Edit: of course it is often said that what ended the IRA's campaign was 9/11 after which terrorism was no longer seen by Americans as justifiable.0 -
The IRA made most of its money from extortion and from businesses it ran or took a cut from, not from passing a collection tin around people who had a choice whether to put something in or not. The US was a very minor source.DecrepitJohnL said:
Another factor for the IRA was to keep its supporters both in Ireland and America onside, so there evolved a system of attacks against "justified" targets preceded by coded warnings to evacuate -- moving away from murdering civilians in pubs (or horses in parks or 8-year-olds at concerts) that caused a drop in donations.Sean_F said:
In most cases, there's a kind of unspoken bargain between the terrorists and security services. Each accepts limits on what they're willing to do. But, if the IRA had been carrying out random bombings on the Tube, or of pop concerts, I imagine the authorities would have responded much like the Israelis.Theuniondivvie said:
What would you have considered a 'much more savage response' in the context of the Troubles?Sean_F said:
But, then public opinion might have supported a much more savage response from the authorities.TheScreamingEagles said:
There was a piece in The Times a few weeks ago which said if the IRA had the technology available now they would have caused a lot more carnage.Sean_F said:One big difference is that while PIRA were willing to risk their lives, they never carried out suicide attacks (they forced other people to).
It's very difficult to provide complete protection, when the attacker is willing to die as a martyr.
They'd have loved having mobile phones that triggered bombs for example
I'd imagine much of the time (like so many of these nasty little wars), a much more savage response was what the IRA wanted.
Edit: of course it is often said that what ended the IRA's campaign was 9/11 after which terrorism was no longer seen by Americans as justifiable.
9/11 was in 2001 and was not a factor. More of a factor was the housing boom in Ireland in which there were big opportunities for gangsters to make lots of money without waving their shooters around so much.0 -
Extra officers deploy into communities. Gathering intelligence. Which allows the authorities to stop attacks whilst they are being considered. Which is what the police federation told May in 2015. Which she described as "scaremongering"Tony_M said:
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
It appears that the meme from Labour HQ today is suggesting that the officers that took out the scum in 8 minutes weren't good enough. Nice.0 -
Let us all hope that the Conservative Bedwetting Index will pamper PBers in the same fashion as my ARSE.Carolus_Rex said:
I think we were all hoping the ARSE would get a second wind.... so to speak...JackW said:
The ARSE is retired but ....David_Evershed said:
What majority is ARSE predicting for Conservatives?JackW said:ICM and JackW - The Gold Standard - Strong And Stable.
Con Landslide
The JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index is bone dry at Con Maj of 100
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TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
Surely it is 'alumni' lover of grammar.
Or were you using sarcasm?0 -
What is the plural of penis? Go with what that suggests.TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
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Isn't that similar to the majority your ARSE predicted for Hillary Clinton?JackW said:
The ARSE is retired but ....David_Evershed said:
What majority is ARSE predicting for Conservatives?JackW said:ICM and JackW - The Gold Standard - Strong And Stable.
Con Landslide
The JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index is bone dry at Con Maj of 100
(I predicted both Leave and Trump, but ballsed up with Le Pen.)0 -
My Con gain Hallam and Westmorland & Lonsddale bets are looking good!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Note that the high/low numbers gap for the parties also seems to be getting larger the closer we get to the election, not smaller. Their first prediction (less than a week ago, although it seems like an age) had the Conservative spread at 69 seats, Labour at 62. Now we're at 76 for the Conservatives and 65 for Labour.logical_song said:
This gives the Tories a 76 seat range, 65 for Labour with SNP getting between 17 and 52 and LibDems between 7 and 21.Scott_P said:
It looks as though the uncertainty is so large it would be surprising if they got it wrong.
I find this very counter-intuitive, I expected the range the narrow over time.
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I'm having nun of that.williamglenn said:May is channelling Gordon Brown, almost using his 'no time for a novice' slogan.
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Though you talk to anybody in any job anywhere public or private and they will mostly say that.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?0 -
'Tardis' is an acronym so shouldn't it be written 'TARDIS' with its plural as 'TARDISes'?TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.0 -
The Saudi government is no more responsible for the funding of Isis by some of its citizens than the UK government has been responsible for the funding of the IRA by some UK citizens.0
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You lefties trot out this tired financially illiteral bullshit every time, it might wash with the more gullible members of the public, but don't expect it to be believed here.RochdalePioneers said:
And yet this government has added £700bn to the national debt since that cretin Byrne left his joke noteAlsoIndigo said:
Maybe not spending all the money so the government had to cut stuff would have been a good start.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Gordon Brown left us spending £160,000,000,000 more every year than we took in from taxes and other income. To not grow the national debt after that we would have had to slash public spending by that much in 2010 and keep it down every subsequent year, the equivalent of the entire health budget.... and you would not have complained ? Pull the other one.
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It would also make the debate sharper if the parties were actually expressing coherent policies on it, rather than both of them wanting all the popular things and not wanting all the unpopular things and leaving the voters to guess which things they'd trade off against which other things.NickPalmer said:
I was reading May's speech just now and for a second was genuinely bewildered that she was going on about Brexit - then remembered ah yes, that's what this election is supposed to be about. Really a classic example that you can't safely call an eleciton on one issue and expect it to stay that way.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Perhaps she should have called a referendum or something0 -
2 of my best friends are Dan. I was at their house Saturday night as this was kicking off. And yes, they do say that. But, they also accept that no amount of officers on the beat will stop this type of attack.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
Their twopennerth is that more cash needs to go to the security services.
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If Farron were defeated, I think that would - longer-term - be bad for the Conservatives and good for the Liberal Democrats.View_From_Cumbria said:
Which implies there is no more support out there for the LDs. If the LDs had two London based operatives directing 8 or 10 other helpers in Sedbergh for the Cumbria CC Elections - and they did, then what were they doing ? Either they were getting out voters who would have stayed at home otherwise or they were wasting time. In view of Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale having I think the highest turnout in Cumbria, and probably anywhere on 4 May, at 55% I assume they were doing something. In that case, how many more LDs are there in Sedbergh to come out for Timmy on Thursday. Proportionally fewer than there are Tories.Pulpstar said:
One thing is that the Lib Dem vote comes out for every parish, town hall and all other local elections. Alot of support for the big two only bothers for a GE.rcs1000 said:
Ultimately, though, Tim Farron is a social conservative with left wing economic views.theakes said:Yes, but the process has been more than helped by a misdirected and out of touch campaign by the Lib Dems who blew it in the first fortnight by allowing Labour to totally dominate the scene. There was no way back after that. Whoever advised their campaign may be looking for a P45.
Hammond might be PM by the weekend someone said, he might be Leader of the Opposition?
If you are a social conservative, then your are already well served by the Conservatives.
If you have left wing economic views, there is the Labour Party.
There is a niche for the Liberal Democrats. Under Tim Farron, who seems to have found it all a bit too much, they are not filling it.
Sedbergh is the most extreme example of this in Westmorland - it was always the hardest seat for the LDs to hold - curious they lost Windermere, presumably the Tories had a better candidate - but also the LDs didn't fight as hard there.
You might think the LDs would be trying harder in the four Kendal divisions where they had lesser fights on May 4 but the evidence on the ground suggests they are concentrating on their weakest Kendal division - one Kendal CCC has gone up to Carlisle to be parliamentary candidate.
Whilst we don't have much time for Farron himself W&L Conservatives do not under-estimate the power of the LD machine. Elections have always been intense in W&L since 2001 but it seems to me that CCHQ do not intend Farron to still be an MP on Friday, and they do not expect him to be either.0 -
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Much better for a speech and press conference to stand in front of a bookcase rather than variety of gurning youngsters bearing placards. Old school wins out.0
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If Jeremy is to be believed, his chats with the IRA worked a treat, so why not?Scott_P said:
There will be no need for a response. Jeremy will solve terrorism through talking, obviously.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
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Now that's what I call true sacrifice. My weekends are sacrosanct.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/duty-doctors-staying-sober-saturday-nights-ready-major-terror/
Nameof the consultant is a bit
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One mouse... two micePatrick said:
What is the plural of penis? Go with what that suggests.TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
One house... two... oh
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Prevention is better than cure. We need 20,000 somethings off our streets rather than another 20,000 bobbies on them.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
It appears that the meme from Labour HQ today is suggesting that the officers that took out the scum in 8 minutes weren't good enough. Nice.0 -
AlsoIndigo said:
You lefties trot out this tired financial illiteral bullshit every time, it might wash with the more gullible members of the public, but don't expect it to be believed here.RochdalePioneers said:
And yet this government has added £700bn to the national debt since that cretin Byrne left his joke noteAlsoIndigo said:
Maybe not spending all the money so the government had to cut stuff would have been a good start.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Gordon Brown left us spending £160,000,000,000 more every year than we took in from taxes and other income. To not grow the national debt after that we would have had to slash public spending by that much in 2010 and keep it down every subsequent year, the equivalent of the entire health budget.... and you would not have complained ? Pull the other one.
What does PENIS stand for?Patrick said:
What is the plural of penis? Go with what that suggests.TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.0 -
Not all acronyms are in block caps, e.g. laser, radar.Stark_Dawning said:
'Tardis' is an acronym so shouldn't it be written 'TARDIS' with its plural as 'TARDISes'?TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.0 -
I agree with that generally, although a phone could serve almost as well. I'm still not convinced that it would make a great difference to the IRA, as they had the technical skill.AlsoIndigo said:It's not cellphones that would have made the big difference it's portable, extremely low cost microcontrollers with connectivity, sensors and power switching capability, like arduinos.
Really though they main difference was that the IRA could either acquire high-explosives or make them, and current day terrorists either can't or do a relatively poor job.
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Is it the same venue where she launched her bid for the leadership?camel said:Much better for a speech and press conference to stand in front of a bookcase rather than variety of gurning youngsters bearing placards. Old school wins out.
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Is it wise posting something like that?AlsoIndigo said:
It's not cellphones that would have made the big difference it's portable, extremely low cost microcontrollers with connectivity, sensors and power switching capability, like arduinos.glw said:
Easier maybe, but there a big downsides to using a mobile for a trigger, but how is it more devastating?TheScreamingEagles said:
But mobiles make it much more easier and devastating.TOPPING said:
They were very much able to trigger bombs with radio devices.TheScreamingEagles said:
There was a piece in The Times a few weeks ago which said if the IRA had the technology available now they would have caused a lot more carnage.Sean_F said:One big difference is that while PIRA were willing to risk their lives, they never carried out suicide attacks (they forced other people to).
It's very difficult to provide complete protection, when the attacker is willing to die as a martyr.
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Agreed. See my follow up postMonikerDiCanio said:
Prevention is better than cure. We need 20,000 somethings off our streets rather than another 20,000 bobbies on them.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
It appears that the meme from Labour HQ today is suggesting that the officers that took out the scum in 8 minutes weren't good enough. Nice.
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Here's a visual representation.Patrick said:
What is the plural of penis?TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
https://twitter.com/waddeller/status/870640117773459456
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Despite never meeting them...ReggieCide said:If Jeremy is to be believed, his chats with the IRA worked a treat, so why not?
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BannedInParis said:AlsoIndigo said:
You lefties trot out this tired financial illiteral bullshit every time, it might wash with the more gullible members of the public, but don't expect it to be believed here.RochdalePioneers said:
And yet this government has added £700bn to the national debt since that cretin Byrne left his joke noteAlsoIndigo said:
Maybe not spending all the money so the government had to cut stuff would have been a good start.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Gordon Brown left us spending £160,000,000,000 more every year than we took in from taxes and other income. To not grow the national debt after that we would have had to slash public spending by that much in 2010 and keep it down every subsequent year, the equivalent of the entire health budget.... and you would not have complained ? Pull the other one.
What does PENIS stand for?Patrick said:
What is the plural of penis? Go with what that suggests.TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
Perpetual Economic Nonsense Involving Socialism
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* Anyone visiting the country from abroad must have their smartphones held at the border until they leave
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I'm not watching but this is good I feel. Clearly Sadiq Khan is an electable man, now who could the contrast possibly be with here.........dyedwoolie said:May defends Sadiq
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Does seem a little unfair to criticize the cuts for being to deep and whine about the national debt rising in the same breath. Tough gig...AlsoIndigo said:
You lefties trot out this tired financially illiteral bullshit every time, it might wash with the more gullible members of the public, but don't expect it to be believed here.RochdalePioneers said:
And yet this government has added £700bn to the national debt since that cretin Byrne left his joke noteAlsoIndigo said:
Maybe not spending all the money so the government had to cut stuff would have been a good start.logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Gordon Brown left us spending £160,000,000,000 more every year than we took in from taxes and other income. To not grow the national debt after that we would have had to slash public spending by that much in 2010 and keep it down every subsequent year, the equivalent of the entire health budget.... and you would not have complained ? Pull the other one.0 -
Yes Sedbergh is always the closest CC contest but the Lib Dems were helped this year by the Conservatives putting up a retread serial loser .View_From_Cumbria said:
Which implies there is no more support out there for the LDs. If the LDs had two London based operatives directing 8 or 10 other helpers in Sedbergh for the Cumbria CC Elections - and they did, then what were they doing ? Either they were getting out voters who would have stayed at home otherwise or they were wasting time. In view of Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale having I think the highest turnout in Cumbria, and probably anywhere on 4 May, at 55% I assume they were doing something. In that case, how many more LDs are there in Sedbergh to come out for Timmy on Thursday. Proportionally fewer than there are Tories.Pulpstar said:
One thing is that the Lib Dem vote comes out for every parish, town hall and all other local elections. Alot of support for the big two only bothers for a GE.rcs1000 said:
Ultimately, though, Tim Farron is a social conservative with left wing economic views.theakes said:Yes, but the process has been more than helped by a misdirected and out of touch campaign by the Lib Dems who blew it in the first fortnight by allowing Labour to totally dominate the scene. There was no way back after that. Whoever advised their campaign may be looking for a P45.
Hammond might be PM by the weekend someone said, he might be Leader of the Opposition?
If you are a social conservative, then your are already well served by the Conservatives.
If you have left wing economic views, there is the Labour Party.
There is a niche for the Liberal Democrats. Under Tim Farron, who seems to have found it all a bit too much, they are not filling it.
Sedbergh is the most extreme example of this in Westmorland - it was always the hardest seat for the LDs to hold - curious they lost Windermere, presumably the Tories had a better candidate - but also the LDs didn't fight as hard there.
You might think the LDs would be trying harder in the four Kendal divisions where they had lesser fights on May 4 but the evidence on the ground suggests they are concentrating on their weakest Kendal division - one Kendal CCC has gone up to Carlisle to be parliamentary candidate.
Whilst we don't have much time for Farron himself W&L Conservatives do not under-estimate the power of the LD machine. Elections have always been intense in W&L since 2001 but it seems to me that CCHQ do not intend Farron to still be an MP on Friday, and they do not expect him to be either.0 -
Did she actually say that? How silly.bigjohnowls said:* Anyone visiting the country from abroad must have their smartphones held at the border until they leave
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You want a global caliphate? Well ok. But we want a united Ireland.ReggieCide said:
If Jeremy is to be believed, his chats with the IRA worked a treat, so why not?Scott_P said:
There will be no need for a response. Jeremy will solve terrorism through talking, obviously.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
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The Manchester bomber was already known as a wrong-u n. What wasn't connected was that he had flipped out, been back to Libya had training and tooled himself up with some bomb-making gear.RochdalePioneers said:
Extra officers deploy into communities. Gathering intelligence.Tony_M said:
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
It appears that the meme from Labour HQ today is suggesting that the officers that took out the scum in 8 minutes weren't good enough. Nice.
An extra few PCSOs walking around are not going to pick that up. More money can be spent on anti-terror work but it needs to be targeted where it will make the most difference not just hosed all over special interests.
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There are no grounds for thinking that there is a valid analogy there. The wealth of SA is concentrated among about 2,000 members of the royal family, which is also the government. An analogy with the UK might work a bit better if everyone in both Houses of Parliament were also a cousin of Mrs May, and the IRA were funded by MPs.David_Evershed said:The Saudi government is no more responsible for the funding of Isis by some of its citizens than the UK government has been responsible for the funding of the IRA by some UK citizens.
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I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/0 -
If you have people prepared to commit suicide its all a bit beside the point, he just has it inside his suitcase or jacket. That fact that they don't implies the problem is getting hold of the explosives.ReggieCide said:
Is it wise posting something like that?AlsoIndigo said:
It's not cellphones that would have made the big difference it's portable, extremely low cost microcontrollers with connectivity, sensors and power switching capability, like arduinos.glw said:
Easier maybe, but there a big downsides to using a mobile for a trigger, but how is it more devastating?TheScreamingEagles said:
But mobiles make it much more easier and devastating.TOPPING said:
They were very much able to trigger bombs with radio devices.TheScreamingEagles said:
There was a piece in The Times a few weeks ago which said if the IRA had the technology available now they would have caused a lot more carnage.Sean_F said:One big difference is that while PIRA were willing to risk their lives, they never carried out suicide attacks (they forced other people to).
It's very difficult to provide complete protection, when the attacker is willing to die as a martyr.
They'd have loved having mobile phones that triggered bombs for example
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May says Trump was wrong on climate change and wrong about Sadiq.0
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How does one dry hump oneself ?TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/0 -
My best mate is an officer, the stories he's told me about working conditions have convinced me there is no debate to be had, the police needs more money and fast.Tony_M said:
2 of my best friends are Dan. I was at their house Saturday night as this was kicking off. And yes, they do say that. But, they also accept that no amount of officers on the beat will stop this type of attack.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
Their twopennerth is that more cash needs to go to the security services.0 -
It takes skill.Nigelb said:
How does one dry hump oneself ?TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/0 -
The upper class say hice - don't ya know.AlsoIndigo said:
One mouse... two micePatrick said:
What is the plural of penis? Go with what that suggests.TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
One house... two... oh0 -
ending on an "on grid" soundbite.
It's frottage. And it's a noun!!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
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And as far as I'm aware that doesn't have Labour Central office laying out mega wonga to slap it infront of every Youtube video.TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/0 -
whoever has ever said "this job's a doddle, plenty of time to keep on top of my social media so I really don't need any help or deserve a pay rise"? even if that's the position - not that I'm suggesting that our policemen aren't wonderful.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?0 -
The police have had ACTUAL cuts unlike alot of other departments. I've got alot more time for them than the whinging coming out from Doctors.DanSmith said:
My best mate is an officer, the stories he's told me about working conditions have convinced me there is no debate to be had, the police needs more money and fast.Tony_M said:
2 of my best friends are Dan. I was at their house Saturday night as this was kicking off. And yes, they do say that. But, they also accept that no amount of officers on the beat will stop this type of attack.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
Their twopennerth is that more cash needs to go to the security services.0 -
Frotaging? Dare I google that at work?TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
But yes - pretty damning, suspect all the more powerful because delivered by an apparently independent police officer...0 -
Frotaging is a verb.camel said:ending on an "on grid" soundbite.
It's frottage. And it's a noun!!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
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If the Lib Dem vote is as efficient as it was between 1997 and 2010 then you'd expect the party to elect 20-22 MPs on an 8% share of the vote. Even with only a partial return to the tactical voting that fuelled the gains in the late '90s and early '00s, the LDs could lose vote share and double the size of the Parliamentary party.
I think predicting the number of Lib Dem MPs that are going to be elected is a uniquely tricky exercise. 2015 was an exceptional election.0 -
It was said at the time the Americans were trying to track AQ across Afghanistan that the opposition had learned to go very low tech inorder to remove their exposure to electronic intelligence gathering, and make inflitration extremely difficult. In essence meetings were always held face to face, no one used the internet or cellphones, and cells were composed of family groups who knew and trusted each other by sight, and would spot anyone trying to slip in amongst them instantly. Not sure a few PCSO are going to get very far.JonathanD said:
The Manchester bomber was already known as a wrong-u n. What wasn't connected was that he had flipped out, been back to Libya had training and tooled himself up with some bomb-making gear.RochdalePioneers said:
Extra officers deploy into communities. Gathering intelligence.Tony_M said:
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
It appears that the meme from Labour HQ today is suggesting that the officers that took out the scum in 8 minutes weren't good enough. Nice.
An extra few PCSOs walking around are not going to pick that up. More money can be spent on anti-terror work but it needs to be targeted where it will make the most difference not just hosed all over special interests.0 -
No, don't google it at work.rkrkrk said:
Frotaging? Dare I google that at work?TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
But yes - pretty damning, suspect all the more powerful because delivered by an apparently independent police officer...0 -
The parallel would be extremely rich British people based in Britain - members of the elite - funding terrorism and long-term terrorist networks in many countries around the world, and everyone knowing that they were doing it. Much of the Saudi funding is state funding anyway, insofar as the distinction between state and private hardly exists in the Saudi company state.David_Evershed said:The Saudi government is no more responsible for the funding of Isis by some of its citizens than the UK government has been responsible for the funding of the IRA by some UK citizens.
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Indeed.Alistair said:
And as far as I'm aware that doesn't have Labour Central office laying out mega wonga to slap it infront of every Youtube video.TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/0 -
Which members of the Saudi government are funding ISIS?Ishmael_Z said:
There are no grounds for thinking that there is a valid analogy there. The wealth of SA is concentrated among about 2,000 members of the royal family, which is also the government. An analogy with the UK might work a bit better if everyone in both Houses of Parliament were also a cousin of Mrs May, and the IRA were funded by MPs.David_Evershed said:The Saudi government is no more responsible for the funding of Isis by some of its citizens than the UK government has been responsible for the funding of the IRA by some UK citizens.
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Whilst the vid might be watched alot, isn't this a bit like the Tories going large on what a Jez gov't might do to the NHS ?0
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@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn pushes the nuclear button after all. https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/8716826201109053440
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Frotaging is a verb.camel said:ending on an "on grid" soundbite.
It's frottage. And it's a noun!!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
You started it!
I have a desperate desire to disagree, but I literally dare not use google to even tryTheScreamingEagles said:
Frotaging is a verb.camel said:ending on an "on grid" soundbite.
It's frottage. And it's a noun!!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
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If ICM is correct and the Tories are on 45%, they would beat John Major's record for the most votes ever if turnout is at least 68% or thereabouts.0
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and that fact that your man was on the telly telling everyone this just now makes no difference to this ? Anyone seen Mandy around?DanSmith said:
My best mate is an officer, the stories he's told me about working conditions have convinced me there is no debate to be had, the police needs more money and fast.Tony_M said:
2 of my best friends are Dan. I was at their house Saturday night as this was kicking off. And yes, they do say that. But, they also accept that no amount of officers on the beat will stop this type of attack.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
Their twopennerth is that more cash needs to go to the security services.0 -
Whats your feeling on turnout ?AndyJS said:If ICM is correct and the Tories are on 45%, they would beat John Major's record for the most votes ever if turnout is at least 68% or so.
And everyone elses for that matter.
I reckon perhaps 64% or so, with more potential on the upside than downside.0 -
What a cretin. She literally has resigned and reapplied for her job.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn pushes the nuclear button after all. https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344
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Fair enough. I've heard similar. Though to be fair I hear a fair amount of whinging for the sake of it too!DanSmith said:
My best mate is an officer, the stories he's told me about working conditions have convinced me there is no debate to be had, the police needs more money and fast.Tony_M said:
2 of my best friends are Dan. I was at their house Saturday night as this was kicking off. And yes, they do say that. But, they also accept that no amount of officers on the beat will stop this type of attack.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
Their twopennerth is that more cash needs to go to the security services.
But again, I stand by the point, no amount of coppers will stop this type of attack. This is my police friends' professional opinion. Yes money may be needed but surely intelligence is where it needs to go?
If there were 20,000 extra spooks that may actually be massively beneficial?!
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And flexibility.TheScreamingEagles said:
It takes skill.Nigelb said:
How does one dry hump oneself ?TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
On most definitions I've seen, it involves (at least) two individuals, though.
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@PickardJE: This wouldn't make any sense if Corbyn seriously thought he was about to win a general election twitter.com/rachyoungeritv…
@MartinHoscik: As @PickardJE just said, this is a baffling thing to say 3 days out from polling day. twitter.com/rachyoungeritv…
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It is more a question of transferring resources from aimlessly patrolling police on the beat to terrorist police and internet oversight.Pulpstar said:
The police have had ACTUAL cuts unlike alot of other departments. I've got alot more time for them than the whinging coming out from Doctors.DanSmith said:
My best mate is an officer, the stories he's told me about working conditions have convinced me there is no debate to be had, the police needs more money and fast.Tony_M said:
2 of my best friends are Dan. I was at their house Saturday night as this was kicking off. And yes, they do say that. But, they also accept that no amount of officers on the beat will stop this type of attack.DanSmith said:
You talk to any officer in London and they will tell you the force is underfunded and underresourced.Tony_M said:
Would those 20,000 police officers have all been on duty on London Bridge and at Borough on Saturday night?logical_song said:
Maybe not axing 20,000 police officers would have been a good start.David_Evershed said:Lib Dems gambled on fighting the election on reversing Brexit.
Now the top topic is security, they seem to have nothing to say about how to stop terrorism.
Things can only get worse not better.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
And even if they had, could they have stopped that attack?
Did all those extra officers,in the various forces, stop the attacks in 2005?
What point are you trying to make?
Their twopennerth is that more cash needs to go to the security services.0 -
At the start of the campaign I thought it might be down slightly but now I think it's more likely to be up slightly, to around 67-68%. I'd be surprised by 70% despite Corbyn's "youth surge".Pulpstar said:
Whats your feeling on turnout ?AndyJS said:If ICM is correct and the Tories are on 45%, they would beat John Major's record for the most votes ever if turnout is at least 68% or so.
And everyone elses for that matter.
I reckon perhaps 64% or so, with more potential on the upside than downside.0 -
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Haha - an excellent point!AlastairMeeks said:
What a cretin. She literally has resigned and reapplied for her job.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn pushes the nuclear button after all. https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344
Tactically I suspect this exaggeration is a good move to ensure police funding stays in the news.0 -
The ones with all the money. And with immediate access to very expensive London libel lawyers.David_Evershed said:
Which members of the Saudi government are funding ISIS?Ishmael_Z said:
There are no grounds for thinking that there is a valid analogy there. The wealth of SA is concentrated among about 2,000 members of the royal family, which is also the government. An analogy with the UK might work a bit better if everyone in both Houses of Parliament were also a cousin of Mrs May, and the IRA were funded by MPs.David_Evershed said:The Saudi government is no more responsible for the funding of Isis by some of its citizens than the UK government has been responsible for the funding of the IRA by some UK citizens.
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It was made by Ealing Labour and pushed through Facebook so of course it comes from Labour funding in any case I doubt these social media videos make much difference, they are mainly watched by the already converted, old fashioned PPBs and posters are a more effective method of reaching genuine swing votersAlistair said:
And as far as I'm aware that doesn't have Labour Central office laying out mega wonga to slap it infront of every Youtube video.TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/0 -
So, in other words, it's un-targeted?Alistair said:
And as far as I'm aware that doesn't have Labour Central office laying out mega wonga to slap it infront of every Youtube video.TheScreamingEagles said:I know some PBers were frotaging themselves over that YouTube video of Corbyn/terrorism getting a couple of million views in a few days.
This video has got over 5 million views in less than a day, and it's not exactly optimal for Theresa May
https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/
WillS
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Shades of 'lock her up'? He knows the weakest link is May's leadership and wants that to be the focus rather than anything else.Scott_P said:@PickardJE: This wouldn't make any sense if Corbyn seriously thought he was about to win a general election twitter.com/rachyoungeritv…
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So will Corbyn resign if the number of Labour MPs goes down sharply on his watch?0
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What a fascinating tactic. Doesn't strike me that Corbyn all that confident on ThursdayScott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn pushes the nuclear button after all. https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344
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No, they don't.David_Evershed said:
The upper class say hice - don't ya know.AlsoIndigo said:
One mouse... two micePatrick said:
What is the plural of penis? Go with what that suggests.TheScreamingEagles said:
I love my grammar, plus I remember the ComicCon where the plural of Tardis was discussed.camel said:
Grammar is not my strong point, TSE. I can see this site is edited by the alumnuses of very good schools.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Tardises.camel said:
Tardi?AlastairMeeks said:
Police officers will be issued with personal Tardises, enabling them to travel back to the moment before the crime was committed.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear: if 8 minutes from first 999 call to the three terrorists lying dead and riddled with 50 bullets is evidence of insufficient police resources and preparation, how effective can we expect the response to be under Labour?
The debate was the plural of Tardis either Tardises or Tardis (like sheep is the plural of sheep) but definitely not Tardii.
One house... two... oh
"The Hice" is the correct pronunciation for "Christchurch" in twit.0 -
Learning from Macron? Being a little less diplomatic is a good way of making herself less unpopular with voters.dyedwoolie said:May says Trump was wrong on climate change and wrong about Sadiq.
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Mark you do yourself no credit with this sort of unpleasant pettiness.MarkSenior said:
Yes Sedbergh is always the closest CC contest but the Lib Dems were helped this year by the Conservatives putting up a retread serial loser .View_From_Cumbria said:
Which implies there is no more support out there for the LDs. If the LDs had two London based operatives directing 8 or 10 other helpers in Sedbergh for the Cumbria CC Elections - and they did, then what were they doing ? Either they were getting out voters who would have stayed at home otherwise or they were wasting time. In view of Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale having I think the highest turnout in Cumbria, and probably anywhere on 4 May, at 55% I assume they were doing something. In that case, how many more LDs are there in Sedbergh to come out for Timmy on Thursday. Proportionally fewer than there are Tories.Pulpstar said:
One thing is that the Lib Dem vote comes out for every parish, town hall and all other local elections. Alot of support for the big two only bothers for a GE.rcs1000 said:
Ultimately, though, Tim Farron is a social conservative with left wing economic views.theakes said:Yes, but the process has been more than helped by a misdirected and out of touch campaign by the Lib Dems who blew it in the first fortnight by allowing Labour to totally dominate the scene. There was no way back after that. Whoever advised their campaign may be looking for a P45.
Hammond might be PM by the weekend someone said, he might be Leader of the Opposition?
If you are a social conservative, then your are already well served by the Conservatives.
If you have left wing economic views, there is the Labour Party.
There is a niche for the Liberal Democrats. Under Tim Farron, who seems to have found it all a bit too much, they are not filling it.
Sedbergh is the most extreme example of this in Westmorland - it was always the hardest seat for the LDs to hold - curious they lost Windermere, presumably the Tories had a better candidate - but also the LDs didn't fight as hard there.
You might think the LDs would be trying harder in the four Kendal divisions where they had lesser fights on May 4 but the evidence on the ground suggests they are concentrating on their weakest Kendal division - one Kendal CCC has gone up to Carlisle to be parliamentary candidate.
Whilst we don't have much time for Farron himself W&L Conservatives do not under-estimate the power of the LD machine. Elections have always been intense in W&L since 2001 but it seems to me that CCHQ do not intend Farron to still be an MP on Friday, and they do not expect him to be either.0 -
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We know he wouldn't want to big up his contribution too much - a very modest chapScott_P said:
Despite never meeting them...ReggieCide said:If Jeremy is to be believed, his chats with the IRA worked a treat, so why not?
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Counter to the normal rules of conflict the UK's Jihadists seem to positively target women and children.Scott_P said:0 -
I think that ICM poll will match the actual result almost exactly, Labour up to 1992 levels but still a swing of 2% from Labour to Tory as the Tories are up to 1970 levels. I expect the Labour to Tory swing to be higher in the North and Scotland but lower in London and there may even be a small swing to Labour in the SouthTheScreamingEagles said:Guardian/ICM poll
Con 45 (nc) Lab 34 (nc) LD 8 (-1) UKIP 5 (nc) Greens 3 (nc)
Changes from The Sun on Sunday Poll
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/05/london-attack-isis-claims-responsibility-victims-named-live-updates?page=with:block-593519e8e4b0bdd87e2f36e2#block-593519e8e4b0bdd87e2f36e20
