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Cordon seems to be burst. Very aggressive expansion of it.0
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Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
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Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.0 -
That's SIS land isn't it?jonny83 said:Incident now in the Vauxhall area. Sky News according to the Met.
Metropolitan PoliceVerified account @metpoliceuk 2m2 minutes ago
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Might want to check out what the Met Police twitter feed normally looks like on a Saturday night.isam said:Not a good night to be in Sarf London
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Beeb man and others getting run up the road like football hooligans by riot cops.0
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Is it just me, or if the plod start screaming get down or get back get back, the last time thing I would think about doing is getting my mobile out and film it?0
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Deleted tweet already posted0
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Stabbings from people with vests on seems to make it an attack - most attacks of this form are terrorist.Richard_Tyndall said:
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.0 -
Oh is this just a normal Saturday night?alex. said:
Might want to check out what the Met Police twitter feed normally looks like on a Saturday night.isam said:Not a good night to be in Sarf London
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Erhhhh.....PM May and Donald Trump are being briefed by the spooks? I am not sure they wake up Mrs May or Donald off the golf course for a traffic incident or a random stabbing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.0 -
Police pushing people back very aggressively on sky news.0
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The poor beeb presenter's voice keeps wobbling.0
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That great and noble Labour Party campaigner Eddie Izzard had a funny bit about PIRA bombscares many years ago and how we coped. It was very astute and showed us being a long way from terrorised.kle4 said:
We're already terrorised. If it leads to overreaction or over cautious non reaction, we've still been terrorised.TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.0 -
I wonder whether OGH's election leaflet is driving any first-time visitors to the website?
Best behaviour, just in case.0 -
Oh Fuckity fuck fuck fuck...Sky are repeating this now too.Quincel said:Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
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No of course not. But they may routinely report every "incident" they respond to.isam said:
Oh is this just a normal Saturday night?alex. said:
Might want to check out what the Met Police twitter feed normally looks like on a Saturday night.isam said:Not a good night to be in Sarf London
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135423048896516
But it sounds as if they are definitely linking Vauxhall with other incidents.0 -
Police advice on twitter: run as fast as you can, hide yourself, turn your phone to vibrate.
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In recent incidents, the perpetrators don't try and run, they try and kill as many until they are shot dead by the police.
I wonder why they are trying to escape (if that's what is happening)0 -
Someone seems to have been taken into custody.0
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This original incident started just under 2 hours ago. Possibly they have avoided capture and ran that way.0
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Not that I think anyone here is in the area, but for future reference the police advice is specifically to turn vibrate *off* as well. It's about being able to hide and avoid detection.AndyJS said:Police advice on twitter: run as fast as you can, hide yourself, turn your phone to vibrate.
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Yes, we just have to hope that the Vauxhall incident is just a run of the mill crime rather than being a part of a co-ordinated terror attack plan on my home city.Mortimer said:0 -
Multiple attacks at various locations was previously an Al Qaeda tactic. Haven't seen that from ISIS before have we?0
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BBC more than one fatality at London bridge.0
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BBC presenter voice is wobbling.0
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More than 1 fatality at London BridgeSeanT said:
Christ. BBC right now. Live.SeanT said:
What???bigjohnowls said:Met police now reporting a further incident at Vauxhall according to 5 live
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Is a good point. But whatever it is people should run away from it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.0 -
This is just awful. Stay safe in London tonight everyone. Sounds like this is developing...0
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Thanks, I was trying to repeat what the BBC presenter was saying.Quincel said:
Not that I think anyone here is in the area, but for future reference the police advice is specifically to turn vibrate *off* as well. It's about being able to hide and avoid detection.AndyJS said:Police advice on twitter: run as fast as you can, hide yourself, turn your phone to vibrate.
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Like I said I hadn't read back through the thread. Just trying to get some steer without all the hyperboleFrancisUrquhart said:
Erhhhh.....PM May and Donald Trump are being briefed by the spooks? I am not sure they wake up Mrs May or Donald off the golf course for a traffic incident or a random stabbing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.0 -
I was told that by a Mumbaikar who I assume would know. I suppose my point is that Mumbai was a name made up by modern day Marathi nationalists, the city wasn't called that before the colonial Brits came along.GeoffM said:
Are you sure? I thought it was originally Kakamuchee?chrisb said:
It was originally called Mumbadevi before it became Bombay.kle4 said:
It's not like we took an Indian city named Mumbai and changed it to Bombay agai st their wishes, iirc. Only guy I know from the place is older and calls it Bombay. Says something about shiv sena.Casino_Royale said:0 -
You can tell from the way BBC presenter is about to have a break down, it is bad.Richard_Tyndall said:
Like I said I hadn't read back through the thread. Just trying to get some steer without all the hyperboleFrancisUrquhart said:
Erhhhh.....PM May and Donald Trump are being briefed by the spooks? I am not sure they wake up Mrs May or Donald off the golf course for a traffic incident or a random stabbing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?TOPPING said:Evening team.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.0 -
Someone was taken into custody by the police leading the charge to get the public away. Did not look like he was wearing a vest though, or was armed.0
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3a. Fight is the one they inexplicably omit.Quincel said:Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
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Good grief this sounds very serious!0
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Sounds awful. Response needs to be measured and not terrorised.
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/8711364026997637120 -
Police, not intelligence agencies leading this. Seems like there was no intel whatsoever.0
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Sounds well organised. Proper terrorist cell like.0
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It looks like the cordon was burst, no other reason to be expanding it so rapidly.0
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Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail. No guns or grenades etc. reported used by the attackers so far.0
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TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..0
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Here's it's Lefties who get upset if I call it Bombay.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
So, of course, I call it Bombay.0 -
Cyan said:
Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
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Mad to think I used to go into London everyday and lived there (Nw5) for a few years, but now I honestly couldn't care less if I never went there again (Hornchurch & Upminster not really London)0
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She does these moments well, but it didn't budge the polls last time, so doubt it will this time.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.0
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I guess should be thankful that it appears that it really must be difficult to get hold of guns in this country.0
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A marauding attack is what many security services fear most. This seems to be one, with all the difficulties of maintaining a cordon with suspects mobile and not contained.
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The police and emergency services have created this app, advising the best course of action in a terrorist situation:TOPPING said:
3a. Fight is the one they inexplicably omit.Quincel said:Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
http://citizenaid.org/features/download-citizenaid-app/0 -
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Calm the fuck down it's some guys with knives. Horrific but a million miles away from Mumbai. Do you have any idea of the Mumbai MO?Cyan said:Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
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Jesus Christ.RobD said:Cyan said:Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
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Why? Hasn't affected electoral intents to date.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
Good night all. In a week everything will be normal again no doubt, perhaps more normal than it should be but there we are. I certainly feel like we are terrorised.0 -
Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
I have visited Mumbai twice. I will always remember on my first visit meeting a man at a bar who told me in no uncertain terms that it was Bombay, not Mumbai, and he would always call it by that name.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.0 -
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
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UKIP will get some more votes maybe. Their campaign has been all about Muslim extremism.Chameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.Quincel said:We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
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That makes two of us for the same reason.Casino_Royale said:
Here's it's Lefties who get upset if I call it Bombay.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
So, of course, I call it Bombay.
It's just background noise level trolling - but surprisingly effective0 -
Vauxhall station closed due to police incident.0
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I've had enough. It's time to stop this.0
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We are told we have to live with this, why?SeanT said:0 -
I would guess that it is something that is taking up a lot of the security services time. It is interesting that these days people don't do armed robberies at jewelers, they turn up on mopeds with sledge hammers instead.alex. said:I guess should be thankful that it appears that it really must be difficult to get hold of guns in this country.
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They are only humanFrancisUrquhart said:BBC presenter voice is wobbling.
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Yes but Bombay is not here. Here is here. On balance I would rather terrible stuff happened there than marginally less bad stuff happens here. Internationalists may disagreeTOPPING said:
Calm the fuck down it's some guys with knives. Horrific but a million miles away from Mumbai. Do you have any idea of the Mumbai MO?Cyan said:Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
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To who?ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
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Text from a usually liberal mate: "Time to lock the fucking borders and kick in doors."ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
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Little to no coverage of Vauxhall...0
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Oh I don't blame her for a second. I meant that clearly she is getting terrible info in her ear. She was in the middle of talking, then her voice went super wobbly.Floater said:
They are only humanFrancisUrquhart said:BBC presenter voice is wobbling.
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Yup, after Dunblane it is very difficult to get a guns/rifles in this country.tlg86 said:
Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.Quincel said:We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
Being an island also helps.0 -
If only it were so simple.ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
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That is what I was trying to say in my poor way.dixiedean said:
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
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Different people, possibly?SeanT said:0 -
I doubt it will make much difference other than maybe seeing a slight shift of any white working class voters who have moved from the Tories to Labour back to the Tories and maybe boost UKIP's score a little. However clearly we need a tougher response, whether tagging all known extremists, a travel ban to and from Libya and Syria without special permission etcChameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Peking?dixiedean said:
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.0 -
I don't get why people were evacuated from hotels and offices?0
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Sorry if this is crass but Corbyn is drifting like a barge as next PM and Con maj shortening 6 ticks0
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She's been at it for two hours now, holding up well I would have thought!Floater said:
They are only humanFrancisUrquhart said:BBC presenter voice is wobbling.
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This must be terrifying for a lot of the police now on the streets. Can we keep expecting them to potentially put themselves in harm's way like this?AndyJS said:Police advice on twitter: run as fast as you can, hide yourself, turn your phone to vibrate.
twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
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The politicians, who I hold responsible for the present situation, must not be allowed to suspend the election campaign again.0
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EveryOne says we need to do *something* but no suggestions are forthcoming as to what we should actually do.0
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Yes and it's good advice, on the whole, assuming you have read it all prior to an incident. I just happen to prefer the US's run hide fight because when it comes to it and that's the only thing to do, it is a pretty good nudge to make people do something that might save them or others.foxinsoxuk said:
The police and emergency services have created this app, advising the best course of action in a terrorist situation:TOPPING said:
3a. Fight is the one they inexplicably omit.Quincel said:Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
http://citizenaid.org/features/download-citizenaid-app/0 -
Given how close it is to polling day I would think there wouldn't be any suspension, apart from perhaps a subdued Sunday.MonikerDiCanio said:The politicians, who I hold responsible for the present situation, must not be allowed to suspend the election campaign again.
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Agreed.MonikerDiCanio said:The politicians, who I hold responsible for the present situation, must not be allowed to suspend the election campaign again.
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To be honest it was not that easy to get them beforehand. And it is still legal and possible to buy rifles as well of course as shotguns. The difference being we do have a pretty effective licencing system for them. But I do fear a terrorist attack using a shotgun because of the consequences it might have for all the legal, law abiding owners.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, after Dunblane it is very difficult to get a guns/rifles in this country.tlg86 said:
Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.Quincel said:We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
Being an island also helps.0 -
Well we do often get some very sensible starting points from the likes of Quillim foundation people, but they get shouted down and ignored.Pulpstar said:EveryOne says we need to do *something* but no suggestions are forthcoming as to what we should actually do.
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