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We're screwed, my middle-aged sounding boards (educated, middle class, professional women - who went for brexit by a margin of 2-1) delivered their verdict: May is weak, can't be trusted (u-turns) and they were not impressed with the debate dodging. Corbyn seems friendly, is principled, but seems to live in the world we'd all like to live in, instead of the one we actually do. They all voted Con in 2010 & 15, but are splitting: 1 4th party, 1 Lab, 1 LD.
What this may mean is that the Tories are losing ground in safe seats, but gaining significantly in marginals (most likely imo), or that Corbyn really is advancing. Personally my vote is probably going to go 4th party, so that he keeps his deposit.0 -
as has been said how will you get strong growth to pay for VAT cuts if you are raising corporation tax. that will stifle growth . it's the economics of the madhousealex. said:The McDonnell VAT policy is not a promise, it appears to be an aspiration, funded by future economic growth (which obviously isn't going to happen, other than where it is created by government spending). Marr should be able may him look ridiculous within a couple of questions tomorrow.
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The EMA after the six polls is Con 44.1%, Lab 36.0%. Con maj 40.AndyJS said:
The average of tonight's polls isn't far off 45/35. As I posted below, it's 43.7/36.5.FrancisUrquhart said:
Imagine for a second if Messina polling has had Tory 45% throughout and Labour never above 35%. And with no special info, I have just hypothesizing from the campaign that is a logical conclusion.SeanT said:Speaking as the Honorary Life President of Her Majesty's Guild of Bedwetters, I feel a lot calmer today.
The Tories have a 7-9 point lead, on average. Add on a couple of points (for the reasons cited below) and they are headed for a comfortable and increased majority.
It's difficult to imagine what might happen now that will change this. The Zulu surge has stopped. Silence reigns as the corpses rot. The Tory redoubt is battered, but unbroken. Michael Caine is sweating with relief in the burning bushveld sun, and Lynton "Hooky" Crosby is paring his nails with his blooded bayonet.
If that is the result, we are all going to look like right plonkers.
However if they are wrong, oh fuckty fuck....there is going to be blue on blue murder.0 -
Except with the boss?RobD said:0 -
Always a risk with having a leader in a 'marginal' seat. Hastings and Rye are a little bit bohemian and a little bit 'moved out of London' these days. In the event of a strong Lab leader and a decapitation strategy Rudd might be at risk 5 or 10 years from now.HYUFD said:
Any 'Surge' in youth vote registration has mainly come in Labour safe seats with only a few marginals like Hastings and Rye affectedScott_P said:0 -
agreedsurbiton said:I think the Labour Party will learn from this campaign that they do not have to be Tory-lite.
and going forwards that might be the most significant thing to come out of the election long term
personally my biggest disapointment of the campaign is the Lib dems, i really hoped that they might finally herald a re-alignment of the centre left0 -
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.0 -
The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/8711098640424509440 -
Was it another professional?MaxPB said:Just watching BGT, an actually talented winner for once.
The American show has been utterly ridiculous. Brit Paul Zerdin won two years ago, who has been a pro for 25+ years and has done Royal Variety performance etc.
The year after (and I kid you not) they had a man thought to be one of the worlds best jugglers and long time Cirque du Soleil performer....you know just you average joe off the street, whose day job just happens to be to work for the world famous circus show known for their amaze-balls stunts and packed full of former Olympians and world leaders in circus skills.0 -
Labour won't cut taxes overall. Cutting taxes overall and increasing spending sounds like Trump.KentRising said:
Bonkers. Cut taxes and massively increase spending. Wonderful....Scott_P said:
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Survation regional tables
London
Cons 38%
Labour 46%
LD 10%
Midlands
Cons 52%
Labour 40%
North
Cons 36%
Labour 49%
South
Cons 42%
Labour 35%
Wales
Cons 49%
Labour 32%
Scotland
Cons 21%
Labour 28%
SNP 44%
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final-MoS-Post-BBC-Event-Poll-020617SWCH-1c0d4h9.pdf0 -
Thank you. I edited the original post to include a link, but to save time...RobD said:
http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/0 -
I don't think it is primarily a shy tory adjustment, I think it's a turnout adjustment.williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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Shit, so what if there is no shy tory factor anymore - what with Brexit and all that...williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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I can't help. My emailed offers of threads were just ignored.isam said:
Well I did write a thread saying exactly this... but was told it wasn't really relevantRhubarb said:
Why doesn't someone who is allowed write basically the same thread so we can discuss it? I was going to ask @AlastairMeeks to submit it under his name, wish I had now.
I wont ask for any recognition, I want the theory to get the praise
http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/
Ask the House Tory David Herdson. He's tolerated because of his pro-Av views.0 -
I'm not sure, I don't usually watch it, just caught the final because my gf was watching it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was it another professional?MaxPB said:Just watching BGT, an actually talented winner for once.
The American show has been utterly ridiculous. Brit Paul Zerdin won two years ago, who has been a pro for 25+ years and has done Royal Variety performance etc.
The year after (and I kid you not) they had a man thought to be one of the worlds best jugglers and long time Cirque du Soleil performer....you know just you average joe off the street, whose day job just happens to be to work for the world famous circus show known for their amaze-balls stunts and packed full of former Olympians and world leaders in circus skills.0 -
As dependable as Big Ben....possible bad news for the Tories, Faisal is on it.williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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Well you can get strong "fake" growth with a massive borrowing funded public spending binge.kjohnw said:
as has been said how will you get strong growth to pay for VAT cuts if you are raising corporation tax. that will stifle growth . it's the economics of the madhousealex. said:The McDonnell VAT policy is not a promise, it appears to be an aspiration, funded by future economic growth (which obviously isn't going to happen, other than where it is created by government spending). Marr should be able may him look ridiculous within a couple of questions tomorrow.
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@Ealasaid_MacD: Doorsteps indicating Na h-Eileanan an Iar could be one to watch on 8 June #forthemany #ge170 -
Lots of non-Tories voted for Brexit too.Chameleon said:
Shit, so what if there is no shy tory factor anymore - what with Brexit and all that...williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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Beneath the radar. VERY organised.KentRising said:
The campaign has been non-existent. Very weird.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.0 -
They are a bugger to look after.GeoffM said:
I was promised one.IanB2 said:
There is no such thing as a free owl.MarqueeMark said:
Still hasn't got my vote. No free owls....Scott_P said:0 -
I thought Labour had those fears to begin with {seats with 8,000 majorities not safe etc}.AlastairMeeks said:
So did those fears allay somewhat and have now returned or have they increased to the point of expecting defeat ?
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From what I understand, the only people with more accurate demographic data of individuals in the US is Facebook. And that is because a) people volunteered huge amounts of that and b) quietly Facebook have spent $100 millions buying every possible piece of data on you they can get their hands on.Casino_Royale said:
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.0 -
ICM fieldwork is 31 May to 2 June - per ICM link.
Rob - you need to amend ICM date to 2 June - this will move it into the later average field.
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017_sunonsunday_poll4_final.pdf0 -
@JossiasJessop - that was remarkable, thanks for sharing.0
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Cheers. I'm keeping an eye on the wiki for when the dates/figures are posted.MikeL said:ICM fieldwork is 31 May to 2 June - per ICM link.
Rob - you need to amend ICM date to 2 June - this will move it into the later average field.
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017_sunonsunday_poll4_final.pdf0 -
Is that a Boris tank on Mrs May's lawn?Scott_P said:0 -
I could have saved you the shoe leather ....Casino_Royale said:I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.
Con Landslide ....0 -
If only, the idea that Angus MacNeil might lose it too good to be trueScott_P said:Oooooooooooh
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ICM regional tables
Scotland
Cons 29%
Labour 23%
SNP 41%
Wales
Cons 38%
Labour 35%
North
Cons 36%
Labour 41%
Midlands
Cons 49%
Labour 32%
South
Cons 49%
Labour 31%
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017_sunonsunday_poll4_final.pdf0 -
Landslide definitely won't happen if it wasn't for people like Casino_Royale!JackW said:
I could have saved you the shoe leather ....Casino_Royale said:I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.
Con Landslide ....0 -
The shame is that putting aside Tiny Tim's issues with gay sinners and going OTT on the old europhilia, lots of the stuff in the manifesto was actually absolutely fine. The sort of stuff sensible lefties can get behind. 1% on tax for NHS and social care, that sounded absolutely sensible to me.RepublicanTory said:
agreedsurbiton said:I think the Labour Party will learn from this campaign that they do not have to be Tory-lite.
and going forwards that might be the most significant thing to come out of the election long term
personally my biggest disapointment of the campaign is the Lib dems, i really hoped that they might finally herald a re-alignment of the centre left0 -
I have to say, if Corbyn wins it won't be all bad. Firstly someone with actual talent will have to become Con party leader, and secondly I will be £50k less in debt over the next three or so years, then I can hop on a plane to Canada/Ireland (I'm a citizen) etc.0
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Of course you are, you always were.Casino_Royale said:
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.
Fat lot of good it will do you. Or anyone else for that matter.
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Dunno squire. I posted it because Jim Pickard is a journalist with very good contacts. It may well just mean that he's had three skittish Labour MPs on the phone this afternoon.another_richard said:
I thought Labour had those fears to begin with {seats with 8,000 majorities not safe etc}.AlastairMeeks said:
So did those fears allay somewhat and have now returned or have they increased to the point of expecting defeat ?0 -
What about sensible centrists that just want their orange books back?FrancisUrquhart said:
The shame is that putting aside Tiny Tim's issues with gay sinners and going OTT on the old europhilia, lots of the stuff in the manifesto was actually absolutely fine. The sort of stuff sensible lefties can get behind. 1% on tax for NHS and social care, that sounded absolutely sensible to me.RepublicanTory said:
agreedsurbiton said:I think the Labour Party will learn from this campaign that they do not have to be Tory-lite.
and going forwards that might be the most significant thing to come out of the election long term
personally my biggest disapointment of the campaign is the Lib dems, i really hoped that they might finally herald a re-alignment of the centre left0 -
Any reports of skittish Tory MPs?AlastairMeeks said:
Dunno squire. I posted it because Jim Pickard is a journalist with very good contacts. It may well just mean that he's had three skittish Labour MPs on the phone this afternoon.another_richard said:
I thought Labour had those fears to begin with {seats with 8,000 majorities not safe etc}.AlastairMeeks said:
So did those fears allay somewhat and have now returned or have they increased to the point of expecting defeat ?0 -
Just looked at his wiki page. How did he ever get elected?Scott_P said:Oooooooooooh
@Ealasaid_MacD: Doorsteps indicating Na h-Eileanan an Iar could be one to watch on 8 June #forthemany #ge170 -
Switch Lab and Con round in Wales and I'd say those won't be far off the reality.HYUFD said:ICM regional tables
Scotland
Cons 29%
Labour 23%
SNP 41%
Wales
Cons 38%
Labour 35%
North
Cons 36%
Labour 41%
Midlands
Cons 49%
Labour 32%
South
Cons 49%
Labour 31%
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017_sunonsunday_poll4_final.pdf0 -
+1 - Thank you.tlg86 said:@JossiasJessop - that was remarkable, thanks for sharing.
Magnifico Giganticus0 -
Twitter reporting incident in London0
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Unfortunately, as we talked about earlier so many of the genuinely good Lib Dems are no longer MPs and the remaining one or two might lose their seats in a few days.Chameleon said:
What about sensible centrists that just want their orange books back?FrancisUrquhart said:
The shame is that putting aside Tiny Tim's issues with gay sinners and going OTT on the old europhilia, lots of the stuff in the manifesto was actually absolutely fine. The sort of stuff sensible lefties can get behind. 1% on tax for NHS and social care, that sounded absolutely sensible to me.RepublicanTory said:
agreedsurbiton said:I think the Labour Party will learn from this campaign that they do not have to be Tory-lite.
and going forwards that might be the most significant thing to come out of the election long term
personally my biggest disapointment of the campaign is the Lib dems, i really hoped that they might finally herald a re-alignment of the centre left
It is a real shame for the country. I would much prefer a Alexander, Webb, Browne, Laws type opposition keeping Kim Jong May on her toes with actual policies that aren't totally fantasist stuff than Team Twat (that is obviously praying that the they don't win).0 -
What (rough) demographics were they sending you after? Lots of c1/c2 +35 plus working women?Casino_Royale said:
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.0 -
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Wasn't there something on Twatter yesterday about 40 targets being written-off due to the shit campaign?RobD said:
Any reports of skittish Tory MPs?AlastairMeeks said:
Dunno squire. I posted it because Jim Pickard is a journalist with very good contacts. It may well just mean that he's had three skittish Labour MPs on the phone this afternoon.another_richard said:
I thought Labour had those fears to begin with {seats with 8,000 majorities not safe etc}.AlastairMeeks said:
So did those fears allay somewhat and have now returned or have they increased to the point of expecting defeat ?0 -
He is a complete pillock, I really wouldn't be sorry to see him go. Talentless.Saltire said:
If only, the idea that Angus MacNeil might lose it too good to be trueScott_P said:Oooooooooooh
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My hopes and prayers are that we don't have another mourning orgasm.Tykejohnno said:0 -
Its interesting that you were in Southampton Test - 5% swing required, significant student population, demographically trending Labour - rather than marginal Conservative Southampton Itchen.Casino_Royale said:
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.
If Southampton Test goes Conservative then it will be a landslide, maybe a big landslide, victory.0 -
Is that the same Messina who worked for Remain and Renzi?Casino_Royale said:
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.
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Can we please remember a few things:
1) Not one poll has shown Labour in the lead once the sample is weighted;
2) Not one poll has put the Tories below 40%;
3) Only one poll has put Labour above that figure.
If those remain true, Labour are still on course for defeat.
Also:
1) The majority (almost all) polls show the Tories in the mid-40s, and this has never wavered;
2) Almost all polls put Labour in the 30s, mostly the mid-to-low thirties, and their vote is volatile because it varies according to turnout filters;
3) Although Labour have improved their share, this is hardly surprising given that they were going through a very bad time just before the election and Corbyn was once again looking shaky. Calling the election has put questions over his leadership to bed for the duration and rallied the party behind him. No wonder things look better. This has also killed off talk from people (including me) who had begun to think another two years of the Jezziah would be the end of Labour.
4) Almost all Labour's gains seem to be non-voters (spot the problem) or from minor parties. There is no direct switching to them from the Tories, which there has to be for them to do well.
Adding all these together I think a Tory landslide is still the likeliest outcome. I'm hoping it doesn't happen because Labour being cut in half would make it much easier for another far-left loon to win the leadership when Corbyn resigns and I want a proper opposition. But it could be May wins by a wider margin in the vote than Blair did on this polling, although possibly not by such a wide margin of seats.
Remember, if Corbyn does achieve 35% he will have done better than any other Labour leader elected in the last 40 years - bar one. And this despite being the weakest, most corrupt, stupidest and most dishonest of them all. I can't see it.0 -
Screw that, I'd much rather have them in Government!FrancisUrquhart said:
Unfortunately, as we talked about earlier so many of the genuinely good Lib Dems are no longer MPs and the remaining one or two might lose their seats in a few days.Chameleon said:
What about sensible centrists that just want their orange books back?FrancisUrquhart said:
The shame is that putting aside Tiny Tim's issues with gay sinners and going OTT on the old europhilia, lots of the stuff in the manifesto was actually absolutely fine. The sort of stuff sensible lefties can get behind. 1% on tax for NHS and social care, that sounded absolutely sensible to me.RepublicanTory said:
agreedsurbiton said:I think the Labour Party will learn from this campaign that they do not have to be Tory-lite.
and going forwards that might be the most significant thing to come out of the election long term
personally my biggest disapointment of the campaign is the Lib dems, i really hoped that they might finally herald a re-alignment of the centre left
It is a real shame for the country. I would much prefer a Alexander, Webb, Browne, Laws type opposition keeping Kim Jong May on her toes with actual policies that aren't totally fantasist stuff than Team Twat (that is obviously praying that the they don't win).0 -
Oh FFS....I said on here earlier today it was a matter of when rather than if we get something.SeanT said:0 -
He also worked for Obama 2012Cyan said:
Is that the same Messina who worked for Remain and Renzi?Casino_Royale said:
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.FrancisUrquhart said:I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.
That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.
It is bloody accurate.0 -
You just know that Faisal is going to be the Liberal answer to Paul Mason in a few years. He makes some of the Tabloid journos seem positively bipartisan.FrancisUrquhart said:
As dependable as Big Ben....possible bad news for the Tories, Faisal is on it.williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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Does no one in Scotland understand expectation management?Scott_P said:Oooooooooooh
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What's happening at London Bridge? Just seeing some Tweets.0
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Yes, ICM looks pretty accurate to meBrom said:
Switch Lab and Con round in Wales and I'd say those won't be far off the reality.HYUFD said:ICM regional tables
Scotland
Cons 29%
Labour 23%
SNP 41%
Wales
Cons 38%
Labour 35%
North
Cons 36%
Labour 41%
Midlands
Cons 49%
Labour 32%
South
Cons 49%
Labour 31%
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Brexit has completely fried any sort of impartiality chip.Brom said:
You just know that Faisal is going to be the Liberal answer to Paul Mason in a few years. He makes some of the Tabloid journos seem positively bipartisan.FrancisUrquhart said:
As dependable as Big Ben....possible bad news for the Tories, Faisal is on it.williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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Managing Editor of the Spectator tweeting saying man crashed into people then got out and starting stabbing people. Says is a terrorist attack.0
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Anyone a bit worried about the security of polling stations next Thursday?0
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Always surprised me that Sky News are still happy with him in the same way the Telegraph are happy with Michael Deacon. Not to say it's a bad thing they have their own views, just clearly they're a bit out of step with their viewers and readers.FrancisUrquhart said:
Brexit has completely fried any sort of impartiality chip.Brom said:
You just know that Faisal is going to be the Liberal answer to Paul Mason in a few years. He makes some of the Tabloid journos seem positively bipartisan.FrancisUrquhart said:
As dependable as Big Ben....possible bad news for the Tories, Faisal is on it.williamglenn said:The ICM poll has a huge shy Tory adjustment.
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This is a great summary. We're all talking about the polls where Corbyn doesn't get buried in a hole because of the man bites dog angle. But he's losing badly.ydoethur said:Can we please remember a few things:
1) Not one poll has shown Labour in the lead once the sample is weighted;
2) Not one poll has put the Tories below 40%;
3) Only one poll has put Labour above that figure.
If those remain true, Labour are still on course for defeat.
Also:
1) The majority (almost all) polls show the Tories in the mid-40s, and this has never wavered;
2) Almost all polls put Labour in the 30s, mostly the mid-to-low thirties, and their vote is volatile because it varies according to turnout filters;
3) Although Labour have improved their share, this is hardly surprising given that they were going through a very bad time just before the election and Corbyn was once again looking shaky. Calling the election has put questions over his leadership to bed for the duration and rallied the party behind him. No wonder things look better. This has also killed off talk from people (including me) who had begun to think another two years of the Jezziah would be the end of Labour.
4) Almost all Labour's gains seem to be non-voters (spot the problem) or from minor parties. There is no direct switching to them from the Tories, which there has to be for them to do well.0 -
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Daily StarVerified account @Daily_Star 4m4 minutes ago
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Note the far higher profile Boris Johnson has now compared to other cabinet ministers.Scott_P said:@ShippersUnbound: In Sunday Times interview Boris Johnson accuses Corbyn of a "triple tax whammy" that will cost families £5,000 a year
@ShippersUnbound: Boris Johnson accuses Corbyn of being in charge of "a sleeper cell of crypto-communists that have taken over Labour". See Sunday Times
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Don't start talking like that, you'll have the election postponed. The show must go on.alex. said:Anyone a bit worried about the security of polling stations next Thursday?
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What's going on, please?SeanT said:0 -
Spectator Managing Editor witnessed it. I am sure it won't be long.RobD said:Still nothing on BBC/Sky
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#BREAKING: Terrorist attack just happened on London Bridge. Driver ran over 15-20 people the. Stabbed more.0
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BBC News reporting now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Spectator Managing Editor witnessed it. I am sure it won't be long.RobD said:Still nothing on BBC/Sky
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What is your basis for calling Jeremy Corbyn "corrupt"?ydoethur said:Remember, if Corbyn does achieve 35% he will have done better than any other Labour leader elected in the last 40 years - bar one. And this despite being the weakest, most corrupt, stupidest and most dishonest of them all.
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Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.
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BBC breaking news.0
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Borough Market as well?0
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Fair trade and soya milk of course. Fuck me if we have that twat in charge this time next week god forbid.The_Mule said:Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.
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Not really, there's a relatively low density of people in most polling stations. Sporting events (such as the CL final) and music festivals are still the best targets for the thinking man's terrorists.alex. said:Anyone a bit worried about the security of polling stations next Thursday?
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Sun reporter on the scene says it was a B&Q van.
https://twitter.com/benleo89/status/8711162845614202880
