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Hah, sums up many posts here on PB. But that's what debating is all aboutMyBurningEars said:
You're a hero all the way, Rob, but you're fighting a 386 battle.RobD said:
I'm trying my bestMyBurningEars said:
My main point was that "one billion pounds" then and "one billion pounds" today are very different things, as Rob has been saying rather more clearly, repeatedly, to no avail whatsoever. Should have italicised the word "billion" to make my point clearer.alex. said:
Presumably Attlee inherited a massive deficit, but had plenty of scope for reducing it (even despite all the nationalisation programmes etc)MyBurningEars said:
You wouldn't imagine Attlee spending many billions of pounds though, let alone borrowing billions...bigjohnowls said:
You would imagine Attlee might have borrowed quite a bit though.RobD said:
I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.bigjohnowls said:
Not on average they dontTMA1 said:
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.bigjohnowls said:
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/total_spending_1950UKmn
(Bet you knew where that link was pointing before you hovered...)
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http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=1998-07-20&number=340&mpn=Jeremy_Corbyn&mpc=Islington_North&house=commonsRazedabode said:Im sorry, Corbyn told a flat out lie re. Vote on the good friday agreement.
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The questions are chosen to be difficult for Corbyn. Assuming balance and May gets the same spin bowling, I worry how she's going to cope? Unless she ignores the questions as previously.0
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"Random acts of terror."
That's not a good line.0 -
Corbyn really is doing well. But his backstory will not go away.0
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This election is all about making sure Labour voters will hold their noses and vote Labour.
I don't think JC has put them off with this performance.0 -
OMG this has been proved about 10 times on here in past weekRazedabode said:Im sorry, Corbyn told a flat out lie re. Vote on the good friday agreement.
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Corbyn, 10/10.
From someone who is not a Corbynista.0 -
But not PM materialBromptonaut said:Corbs knocking it out of the park.
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Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools?
Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.
I wish he'd say no, he wouldn't use nukes.0 -
Suspect his letter of last resort might be to go to Australia/New Zealand.0
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Wow.0
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I think Corbyn did well there.
Also, you could see the audience was engaged, and interested in what he had to say.0 -
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Very impressed with Corbyn so far. Don't agree with him but he speaks with conviction.0
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Overall good for Corbyn but unlucky for him to have to finish on Trident which is a very weak subject for him.
Now will Paxman ask the Monarchy question?0 -
Soft ride so far dodged most of the questions and not held to account on anything0
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Assuming g the same drop between reported 10/10 and actual turnout then turnout will be hugely down and Tories will take a huge number of seats on differential turnout.DavidL said:
Pretty sure turnout will be down in Scotland this time.tlg86 said:
Turnout in Scotland increased 7.3 pp between 2010 and 2015. Could Brexit have a similar effect on turnout for the UK as a whole?Pulpstar said:I think turnout may well be up on last GE - both May and Corbyn reaching places Miliband & Cameron couldn't.
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Or Venezuela.RobD said:Suspect his letter of last resort might be to go to Australia/New Zealand.
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I had the same hope, funnily enough.Pulpstar said:My initial hope for the election was that the Lib Dems would replace Labour.
That one seems a longshot now
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Crosby maybe can't be blamed for the manifesto screw up but there are many other mistakes in this campaign that can be laid squarely at his door. He seems to be phoning it in based on a mistaken belief than not much has changed since 2015.
The 'coalition of chaos' angle was a major mistake. They needed to use the Lib Dems as a foil to go after Labour from the left, but instead allowed Corbyn to monopolise the opposition.
On the basis of Corbyn's performance tonight, agreeing to this format instead of a head-to-head was another misstep.0 -
Time to trigger the klaxon?Alistair said:
Assuming g the same drop between reported 10/10 and actual turnout then turnout will be hugely down and Tories will take a huge number of seats on differential turnout.DavidL said:
Pretty sure turnout will be down in Scotland this time.tlg86 said:
Turnout in Scotland increased 7.3 pp between 2010 and 2015. Could Brexit have a similar effect on turnout for the UK as a whole?Pulpstar said:I think turnout may well be up on last GE - both May and Corbyn reaching places Miliband & Cameron couldn't.
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My god Corbyn handled that well.0
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Vat on private school fees is calculated to force over 100,000 children into the state sector at immense expense. Just another popular but crass ideaCyan said:Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools?
Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.0 -
AWESOME !!!!!!!0
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Come on we need Leamington as a LAB gain to get rid of this terrible Govt to get a sensible BREXIT a fairer society piblic services we can be proud of.SouthamObserver said:Corbyn really is doing well. But his backstory will not go away.
The May landslide will see the opposite.
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If Labour is sensible post 8th June this campaign could be a positive turning point for the party. Someone without Corbyn's back story, unencumbered by some of the more ridiculous policies in the manifesto (renationalisation, middle class freebies) could make hay. Very, very big If, though.TheScreamingEagles said:This election is all about making sure Labour voters will hold their noses and vote Labour.
I don't think JC has put them off with this performance.
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Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.0
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Exactly my own thought.Bromptonaut said:Corbs knocking it out of the park.
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Paxman could get nasty, though.The_Apocalypse said:Corbyn, 10/10.
From someone who is not a Corbynista.
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I can only agree with the general consensus that Corbyn was very impressive there. Looking and sounding the part... very surprising.0
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Same was said about Thatcher.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not PM materialBromptonaut said:Corbs knocking it out of the park.
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Certain that May will get booed by the audience.
Con supporters sit there politely - Lab supporters will have a go at May.0 -
President Trump suggest this isn't the case. In politics there is no "always"Alice_Aforethought said:When push comes to shove people always vote for the most credible leader. In a field of two,
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90000 will pay. That money can be spent on other schools.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Vat on private school fees is calculated to force over 100,000 children into the state sector at immense expense. Just another popular but crass ideaCyan said:Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools?
Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.0 -
Yep, I think he could trip up there.SouthamObserver said:
Paxman could get nasty, though.The_Apocalypse said:Corbyn, 10/10.
From someone who is not a Corbynista.0 -
Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who died on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"0
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He is good at hustings (as I pointed out earlier), one to ones with journalists less so.Torby_Fennel said:I can only agree with the general consensus that Corbyn was very impressive there. Looking and sounding the part... very surprising.
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That was Fantastic
Match that Theresa0 -
Corbyn largely unscathed. Half time. Gaffes nil, questions answered (properly) nil.0
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Hold that thought.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Paxman is past his best0
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I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.isam said:Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
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You're confusing the Anglo-Irish Agreement (1985) with the Good Friday Agreement (1988). rkrkrk has already posted a link proving he voted for the GFA.TheWhiteRabbit said:[deleted]
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Well i really enjoyed that.
Springwatch is one of the best programmes on the box.
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Even sadder people on PB are falling for it.Jason said:
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.isam said:Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
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You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
The obvious reply for Corbyn is that he doesn't just write the manifesto on his own, like Theresa did on dementia charges,0
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Hopefully its just the types who have to win petty online squabbles to feel good about themselves rather than normal people in the real worldJason said:
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.isam said:Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
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Paxman is being too Paxman here.0
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Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.0
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Perhaps they approve.Jason said:
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.isam said:Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
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Argh, don't clap the questions!0
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Trident and MI5 are subjects that will worry floating voters - notwithstanding all other issues.0
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Monarchy!0
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This terrorism stuff on Corbyn is getting boring. I cannot understand how the economics of his manifesto are going unchallenged. The costs of nationalisation as industries become as inefficient as every other government run operation, how many immigrants to build half a million council houses ect. I've never known such a poorly run national campaign as this.0
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I stand by my previous statements.tlg86 said:
You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.The_Apocalypse said:
Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.0 -
Quite. His OTT style is undermining his questions.SouthamObserver said:Paxman is being too Paxman here.
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I thought Corbyn did very well in the first part. That format plays to his strengths. However, all anyone remembers of the same show with Miliband Minor two years ago was that ridiculous "Am I tough enough? Hell yeah!" comment. So, we will see. Paxman will make heavy weather but it's not impossible that the audience will then have sympathy for Corbyn.0
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I fear for Theresa0
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He's not being nearly as aggressive with Jezza as he was with Ed.The_Apocalypse said:
I stand by my previous statements.tlg86 said:
You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.The_Apocalypse said:
Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.0 -
Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?RobD said:Argh, don't clap the questions!
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TMICIPM next week.Jason said:Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.
You know it i know it
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I don't think Paxman likes Corbyn very much!0
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He got the angry glint there0
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Touché, sir.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?RobD said:Argh, don't clap the questions!
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I'd disagree. I think he's more aggressive now, than he even was with Ed.tlg86 said:
He's not being nearly as aggressive with Jezza as he was with Ed.The_Apocalypse said:
I stand by my previous statements.tlg86 said:
You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.The_Apocalypse said:
Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.0 -
It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.MarqueeMark said:Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.
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The Tories are playing the man, not the ball. Will the voters deliver the red card?woody662 said:This terrorism stuff on Corbyn is getting boring. I cannot understand how the economics of his manifesto are going unchallenged. The costs of nationalisation as industries become as inefficient as every other government run operation, how many immigrants to build half a million council houses ect. I've never known such a poorly run national campaign as this.
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Phew MI6 is safe !TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?RobD said:Argh, don't clap the questions!
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It's straight from the Trump playbookSouthamObserver said:
It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.MarqueeMark said:Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.
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For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.0
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Paxman is such a Tory turd, telling Corbyn "You don't like (the queen), do you?"0
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Yup, nobody wants to abolish 007.calum said:
Phew MI6 is safe !TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?RobD said:Argh, don't clap the questions!
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And its over
Corbyn 11/10
Tariff free access most important.0 -
Bang on the money with that comment. Another man getting most of his support from credulous cretins.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's straight from the Trump playbookSouthamObserver said:
It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.MarqueeMark said:Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.
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The man has no principles he's willing to defend not one straight answer to a question
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Not often that you see two Jeremys in one room0
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He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.surbiton said:For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.
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Seriously past it I am afraid.SouthamObserver said:
He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.surbiton said:For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.
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i'm not sure anymore this could be Trump/Brexit mkIII. we're doooooommmmmedbigjohnowls said:
TMICIPM next week.Jason said:Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.
You know it i know it
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You're right. Unlike Neil he isn't willing to do some softening up first.SouthamObserver said:
He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.surbiton said:For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.
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I question the sanity of any person who thinks Corbyn is fit and capable of being a PM.0
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Not sure his "Shoot to kill policy" will be permitted with Jezz in Number 10.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, nobody wants to abolish 007.calum said:
Phew MI6 is safe !TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?RobD said:Argh, don't clap the questions!
Q: "What is James Bond' number under JC?"
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What matters is influence on floaters.
Getting Trident / MI5 / Monarchy into people's minds is not good for Corbyn.0 -
Yep.SouthamObserver said:
He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.surbiton said:For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.
Past his best.0 -
If he starts chanting 'Lock her up'Anorak said:
Bang on the money with that comment. Another man getting most of his support from credulous cretins.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's straight from the Trump playbookSouthamObserver said:
It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.MarqueeMark said:Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.
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Corbyn struggling badly over the Falklands --> defending Britain0
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Adam Boulton would've been better !0
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Nearly half the country is bonkers then!Jason said:I question the sanity of any person who thinks Corbyn is fit and capable of being a PM.
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