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We they are the reason he has gone from Chancellor of the Exchequer to Chief Sulker at a free local PaperTheScreamingEagles said:
AndPulpstar said:
Ah, I see George Osborne has found his inner Tory once more.TheScreamingEagles said:This headline is helpful for Mrs May, it will firm up Tory waverers.
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/868056591324655616
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/8680571017001287690 -
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"0 -
Yes. Astutedixiedean said:
The whole Conservative campaign seems to have been predicated on what they assumed Corbyn would say.FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
James Cleverly on 5 Live was hamstrung by an inability to string together a coherent sentence. However, he managed to say that the Head of MI5 was wrong about security, the Head of the police Federation was wrong about policing, and resorted to burbling about security comes from a strong economy.0 -
Quite. Corbyn is acting like a politician. His speech wasn't hugely different from Theresa May's, in all the respects you mention. A bit more empathy however.MarkHopkins said:FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
Corbyn just presented a prepared speech (written by someone cleverer than him) and will say anything if he thinks it will get his hands on the levers of power.
His refusal to take questions shows how weak he really is on these issues.0 -
Daesh want to negotiate. See the articles they have published in their magazine Dabiq, attributed to British prisoner John Cantlie.0
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9.3% of 2016 net UK immigrants came to Scotland - per Ruth:HYUFD said:
As the economy is shrinking under the SNP and taxes rising she saidcalum said:Ruth tying herself up in knots on immigration !
https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/868045572334374912
"for all the people that come to the UK, a very, very small proportion choose to come to Scotland"
FWIW I think Ruth could quickly unravel like TM during the next couple of weeks and come under increasing scrutiny from the MSM.0 -
My struggle is trying to detach her from her new best friends Trump and the Saudis. It's not a good look for a European leaderfoxinsoxuk said:
Vote for misery, vote for May.dixiedean said:
People have heard it for 2 years, though. There are diminishing marginal returns on this. How about some positive reasons to vote Conservative?WhisperingOracle said:
The Mail and Sun will know they're facing a big test of their influence, now. Expect all the big guns to come out, as with the absolute blizzard of "IRA TRAITOR FAILS TO SING NATIONAL ANTHEM" propaganda pieces at exactly the moment Corbyn won the leadership, to set the tone on him early on.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Nothing positive to look forward under a May government. That is the flaw at the heart of her campaign.0 -
Agreed. I was endlessly banging on about how DULL it was.JosiasJessop said:
I'm not particularly a Tory, but this election has gone from being boring and uninteresting to very exciting and LOLworthy.FattyBolger said:I do admire the Tories here who are calm and resolute under fire. I am wibbly wobbly all over the place because of the developing "situation".
I am obviously not officer class.
" Steady the Blues"
Before a week or so ago, it was just the case of whether this Labour bigwig or that Labour no-hoper would be losing their seats. Interesting from a betting point of view, but not enough to get me really going.
Now we're looking at a situation where someone - or many people - are going to have eggs on their faces. Whether it's May for comprehensively losing a commanding leave, or Labour losing heavily after raising expectations, or the pollsters mucking up again, it's undoubtedly much more interesting.
Not any more.0 -
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Tread carefully, Mr Senior. Here’s Lloyd George.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"
"Germany does not want war. Hitler does not want war. He is a most remarkable personality, one of the greatest I have ever met in the whole of my life, and I have met some very great men.
Affection is a quite inadequate word to describe the attitude of the German people towards Hitler. It amounts almost to worship. I have never seen anything like it. Some men I met who are not Nazis told me that they did not know what the country would have done without him.”0 -
Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.0 -
I still say no.bobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
But he has shown hidden depths. This decision to go big on security suggests he has figured out he needs to feed the media something before it can feed on him.0 -
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
A man still held hostage and forced to parrot ISIS propaganda or get his head chopped off or fired from a cannon. I'd rather not think about what goes on inside your head.Cyan said:Daesh want to negotiate. See the articles they have published in their magazine Dabiq, attributed to British prisoner John Cantlie.
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Tykejohnno said:
Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbyn
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Manchester and Liverpool heavily so, Labour Leave seats rather less sosurbiton said:
The North is back with Labour.HYUFD said:
In most Labour Leave marginal seats the UKIP vote alone ould tip the balance to the Tories even if no movement at all from Labour to Tory and yougov shows the Tories still making a small net gain from Labour even if they are making a small net loss to the LDs. The LD vote in Labour Leave seats is too small for Labour to get much benefit from tactical voting. All those middle aged inheritance hopefuls got a big Tory inheritance tax cut last year which McDonnell would reverse and of course care costs will now be cappedBarnesian said:
I think it is misleading to label a seat as "Leave" or "Remain" if the result was within say 10% of 50/50 which many were.HYUFD said:
We know that 400 seats voted Leave and in most of those the UKIP vote pular voteIanB2 said:
My point was that we are reaching the point where anti-Tory tactical voting could be key.HYUFD said:
Yougov showed a small net gain from Labour by the Tories and from the Tories by the LDs and from the LDs by Labour and from UKIP by Labour. The biggest net gain remained from UKIP to ToryIanB2 said:
What matters, to both sides, is the extent to which the Lab to LD and LD to Lab switchers live in different seats.MarkSenior said:MarqueeMark said:
There is a point (I would suggest already reached) at which Labour cannot make further progress without getting Tories to switch to them. And they will be a much harder nut to crack.David_Evershed said:
So why are the polls showing a big move from Conservative to Labour?YBarddCwsc said:
They won’t. They might have a hissy fit like SeanT.David_Evershed said:Why would Conservative supporters switch to Labour because of the manifesto Social Care policy when Labour would make inheritance tax far worse for them?
There is no way from the national VI polls to tell ating the Tory
There is a large anti-Tory centre-left group which is tactically voting and is not put off by the Corbyn factor. Some might even be beginning to admire him.
There is also a sizable wealthy centre-right group that is very anti-Brexit.
And now there is another group. Just About Managing in their 40s or 50s who are relying0 -
He is picking up a few Kippers but most are going to May, she needs to emphasise her border control plans next weekfoxinsoxuk said:
But what if a fair bit of the kipper vote seeps back to where it came from?HYUFD said:
In most Labour Leave marginal seats the UKIP vote alone ould tip the balance to the Tories even if no moveBarnesian said:
I think it is misleading to label a seat as "Leave" or "Remain" if the result was within say 10% of 50/50 which many were.HYUFD said:
We know that 400 seats voted Leave and in most of those the UKIP vote pular voteIanB2 said:
My point was that we are reaching the point where anti-Tory tactical voting could be key.HYUFD said:
Yougov showed a small net gain from Labour by the Tories and from the Tories by the LDs and from the LDs by Labour and from UKIP by Labour. The biggest net gain remained from UKIP to ToryIanB2 said:
What matters, to both sides, is the extent to which the Lab to LD and LD to Lab switchers live in different seats.MarkSenior said:MarqueeMark said:
There is a point (I would suggest already reached) at which Labour cannot make further progress without getting Tories to switch to them. And they will be a much harder nut to crack.David_Evershed said:
So why are the polls showing a big move from Conservative to Labour?YBarddCwsc said:
They won’t. They might have a hissy fit like SeanT.David_Evershed said:Why would Conservative supporters switch to Labour because of the manifesto Social Care policy when Labour would make inheritance tax far worse for them?
There is no way from the national VI polls to tell ating the Tory
itance tax cut last year which McDonnell would reverse and of course care costs will now be capped
The isolationist, welfare state, anti liberal elite Britain of Jezza may well appeal to at least a proportion. After all Farage was very against our middle East interventions too. Not everyone wants a Singapore style Brexit.
There are multiple incompatible Brexits conceivable:
https://musealoudblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/29/answer-brexit-paradox-eu/
importantly, Jezza is fighting on his own terrain. He is not so much anti or pro-Brexit as supremely unbothered by it as an issue. This is not the Brexit election May was looking for.0 -
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbynblueblue said:Tykejohnno said:Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
The company he keeps,i really can see him doing a merkel in all refugees/migrants welcome.0 -
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbynblueblue said:Tykejohnno said:Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
You have a one trick pony. People vote for many reasons.0 -
That sounds like Tories of the ilk of the foreign secretary, Lord Halifax.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"
Who in Britain spoke of a "war against Nazism" in 1940?
The Tory government had already done absolutely nothing in 1936-39 to prevent a fascist victory in the war in Spain. Number killed: about 500,000.0 -
Blimey, not seen a 1000+ comments for a while, no doubt finding a bit of shade from the sun.0
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No,he just hates the tories more ;-)kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Try reading Ian Kershaw's biography of Lord Londonderry - Making Friends With Hitler. Many in the thirties thought that cosying up to Adolf was the right policy. We can see easily now how naive and muddle-headed that was but it was a perfectly respectable strain of thought right up to about 1938 I should say.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"0 -
Scotland takes a far lower share of migrants than say London and the South East and the Tory vote in Scotland is mainly an anti indyref2 anti Sturgeon vote that will not unravelcalum said:
9.3% of 2016 net UK immigrants came to Scotland - per Ruth:HYUFD said:
As the economy is shrinking under the SNP and taxes rising she saidcalum said:Ruth tying herself up in knots on immigration !
https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/868045572334374912
"for all the people that come to the UK, a very, very small proportion choose to come to Scotland"
FWIW I think Ruth could quickly unravel like TM during the next couple of weeks and come under increasing scrutiny from the MSM.0 -
evidence?surbiton said:
The North is back with Labour.HYUFD said:
In most Labour Leave marginal seats the UKIP vote alone ould tip the balance to the Tories even if no movement at all from Labour to Tory and yougov shows the Tories still making a small net gain from Labour even if they are making a small net loss to the LDs. The LD vote in Labour Leave seats is too small for Labour to get much benefit from tactical voting. All those middle aged inheritance hopefuls got a big Tory inheritance tax cut last year which McDonnell would reverse and of course care costs will now be cappedBarnesian said:
I think it is misleading to label a seat as "Leave" or "Remain" if the result was within say 10% of 50/50 which many were.HYUFD said:
We know that 400 seats voted Leave and in most of those the UKIP vote pular voteIanB2 said:
My point was that we are reaching the point where anti-Tory tactical voting could be key.HYUFD said:
Yougov showed a small net gain from Labour by the Tories and from the Tories by the LDs and from the LDs by Labour and from UKIP by Labour. The biggest net gain remained from UKIP to ToryIanB2 said:
What matters, to both sides, is the extent to which the Lab to LD and LD to Lab switchers live in different seats.MarkSenior said:MarqueeMark said:
There is a point (I would suggest already reached) at which Labour cannot make further progress without getting Tories to switch to them. And they will be a much harder nut to crack.David_Evershed said:
So why are the polls showing a big move from Conservative to Labour?YBarddCwsc said:
They won’t. They might have a hissy fit like SeanT.David_Evershed said:Why would Conservative supporters switch to Labour because of the manifesto Social Care policy when Labour would make inheritance tax far worse for them?
There is no way from the national VI polls to tell ating the Tory
There is a large anti-Tory centre-left group which is tactically voting and is not put off by the Corbyn factor. Some might even be beginning to admire him.
There is also a sizable wealthy centre-right group that is very anti-Brexit.
And now there is another group. Just About Managing in their 40s or 50s who are relying on eventually inheriting their parents' wealth who are saying WTF!!
This is shaping up for the perfect storm for the Tories.
Nevertheless I still expect them to get an overall majority. But it could be another Cameron style over confident misjudgment on Theresa's part.0 -
My writing 'ability' is pointing out the facts not twisting them like you. The point about any such visit is finding facts.surbiton said:
Your writing ability is, at best, apologetic and, at worst, downright crass. Just say that he should not have gone there if you are so much against dictator/terrorists.TMA1 said:
He went as part of an all party delegation way back in 2007. They did not congratulate anybody on anything.surbiton said:
You mean the Fallon who went to Syria to congratulate Assad on winning his election with 99% of the votes. That Fallon ?rottenborough said:
And Corbyn visited Assad in 2009, a visit organised by an anti Israel group and led by that well known anti jew Baroness Tong. I do not know if Corbyn congratulated anybody but when he got back he chose to write, in the Morning Star of course, that the Balfour Declaration was 'infamous' and 'once again the Israeli tail wags the US dog'.
Corbyn is a regular buyer/ reader of the Morning Star, not just Canary. He said that the Morning Star was ''the most precious and only voice we have in the daily media.''
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-751f-Your-support-is-what-makes-this-paper-so-different#.WSgcnGjyvIU
''I look forward to working with Ben in promoting socialism''
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-d46e-New-editor-hailed-by-leading-lefties#.WSgc0WjyvIU
'Socialism' BTW is that mechanism whereby lefty governments take money off people who have it and give it away to anybody willing to piss it u the wall.
As for Corbyn, everyone knows he is a friend of the "terrorists". People like Martin McGuinness, who had lunch with the Queen.
Corbyn went and invented them.0 -
elections.newstatesman.com surely wins the prize for the most clueless forecast yet in this election.
It currently forecasts that the Lib Dems' highest percentage in any seat in Britain will be Brighton Pavilion, where they will take 36% of the vote and win the seat.
Which would be fine if the Lib Dems were actually standing in Brighton Pavilion. They aren't.0 -
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Owen Jones making an absolute fool of himself on Sky, fortunately for Corbyn he veered off from Corbyn's beliefs into an incoherent personal STW rant.0
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Cup FInal tomorrow, Reds vs Blues, Arsenal vs Chelsea. 2 of the best teams in the country
Electoral Cup Final, also Reds vs Blues, in a couple of weeks
But this one is more Walsall vs Gillingham.
Both with doggedly loyal fans, but many neutrals deeply unimpressed, unaware of their "star" players, not convinced either deserve the trophy and would really rather not watch.
Many people feel the public deserve a better spectacle on such an important national occasion...
:-/
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You have Theresa to thank for that. I have seen quite a few posters now. There are some from Labour, some from the Liberal Democrats and some from a new party called Theresa.bobajobPB said:
Agreed. I was endlessly banging on about how DULL it was.JosiasJessop said:
I'm not particularly a Tory, but this election has gone from being boring and uninteresting to very exciting and LOLworthy.FattyBolger said:I do admire the Tories here who are calm and resolute under fire. I am wibbly wobbly all over the place because of the developing "situation".
I am obviously not officer class.
" Steady the Blues"
Before a week or so ago, it was just the case of whether this Labour bigwig or that Labour no-hoper would be losing their seats. Interesting from a betting point of view, but not enough to get me really going.
Now we're looking at a situation where someone - or many people - are going to have eggs on their faces. Whether it's May for comprehensively losing a commanding leave, or Labour losing heavily after raising expectations, or the pollsters mucking up again, it's undoubtedly much more interesting.
Not any more.
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Oh come on --- you are not seriously suggesting a cybernat is twisting the facts? Surely not!HYUFD said:
As the economy is shrinking under the SNP and taxes rising she saidcalum said:Ruth tying herself up in knots on immigration !
https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/8680455723343749120 -
Really? Tories were regularly in the high 40s at one point in the campaign, and are regularly low 40s now. Additionally, they appear (to me) to be losing a lot of the enthusiasm of their support. The over 65s are a pretty rock solid Tory voting block, and I can't see big numbers switching to Corbyn. But, post Dementia Tax, I can see decent numbers finding they have pressing work to do in the garden on 8th June.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
I agree Corbyn won't win. That's not the mood I'm picking up, which is more dead cat bounce combined with quite a canny campaign so far. But if May does indeed fluff it to the extent she gets a majority below 50 when the expectations were 150 or so at one point, then it isn't great for her authority, and her MPs no longer see her coat-tails as a great place to be for the next decade, frankly.0 -
kjohnw said:
Do you not read polls ? Not one. Just check the last 10. You will also see how the region gradually came back home.surbiton said:
evidence?HYUFD said:
The North is back with Labour.Barnesian said:
In most Labour Leave marginal seats the UKIP vote alone ould tip the balance to the Tories even if no movement at all from Labour to Tory and yougov shows the Tories still making a small net gain from Labour even if they are making a small net loss to the LDs. The LD vote in Labour Leave seats is too small for Labour to get much benefit from tactical voting. All those middle aged inheritance hopefuls got a big Tory inheritance tax cut last year which McDonnell would reverse and of course care costs will now be cappedHYUFD said:
I think it is misleading to label a seat as "Leave" or "Remain" if the result was within say 10% of 50/50 which many were.IanB2 said:
We know that 400 seats voted Leave and in most of those the UKIP vote pular voteHYUFD said:
My point was that we are reaching the point where anti-Tory tactical voting could be key.IanB2 said:
Yougov showed a small net gain from Labour by the Tories and from the Tories by the LDs and from the LDs by Labour and from UKIP by Labour. The biggest net gain remained from UKIP to ToryMarkSenior said:
.MarqueeMark said:
>David_Evershed said:
So why are the polls showing a big move from Conservative to Labour?YBarddCwsc said:
They won’t. They might have a hissy fit like SeanT.David_Evershed said:Why would Conservative supporters switch to Labour because of the manifesto Social Care policy when Labour would make inheritance tax far worse for them?
There is no way from the national VI polls to tell ating the Tory
There is a large anti-Tory centre-left group which is tactically voting and is not put off by the Corbyn factor. Some might even be beginning to admire him.
There is also a sizable wealthy centre-right group that is very anti-Brexit.
And now there is another group. Just About Managing in their 40s or 50s who are relying on eventually inheriting their parents' wealth who are saying WTF!!
This is shaping up for the perfect storm for the Tories.
Nevertheless I still expect them to get an overall majority. But it could be another Cameron style over confident misjudgment on Theresa's part.0 -
There are loads of odd results -- I suspect there is some formatting error in the table, so numbers are being transposed into wrong columns.El_Capitano said:elections.newstatesman.com surely wins the prize for the most clueless forecast yet in this election.
It currently forecasts that the Lib Dems' highest percentage in any seat in Britain will be Brighton Pavilion, where they will take 36% of the vote and win the seat.
Which would be fine if the Lib Dems were actually standing in Brighton Pavilion. They aren't.
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He can eat into TM's C2DE vote though.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
If he can persuade half to vote for him - and the other half not to vote for her, he'll get into downing street.
She's nicking their kids dinner money while obsessing over wealthy peoples inheritances.
There is no jam for the JAM's.
She might be able to fix this with some kind of significant new spending commitment.
It'll cost, though.
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I could not possibly commentTMA1 said:
Oh come on --- you are not seriously suggesting a cybernat is twisting the facts? Surely not!HYUFD said:
As the economy is shrinking under the SNP and taxes rising she saidcalum said:Ruth tying herself up in knots on immigration !
https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/8680455723343749120 -
You have a one trick pony. People vote for many reasons.surbiton said:
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbynblueblue said:Tykejohnno said:Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
You haven't answered my question,what is labours policy on immigration,anyone ?0 -
Compared with 2015 though the Tories are still making small net gains from Labour even if less than at the beginning of the campaign though I agree a 150 or so majority is gone now but having had such a tough manifesto if she does win May has more wriggle room than Cameron's bounty laden manifesto left him in 2015SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Really? Tories were regularly in the high 40s at one point in the campaign, and are regularly low 40s now. Additionally, they appear (to me) to be losing a lot of the enthusiasm of their support. The over 65s are a pretty rock solid Tory voting block, and I can't see big numbers switching to Corbyn. But, post Dementia Tax, I can see decent numbers finding they have pressing work to do in the garden on 8th June.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
I agree Corbyn won't win. That's not the mood I'm picking up, which is more dead cat bounce combined with quite a canny campaign so far. But if May does indeed fluff it to the extent she gets a majority below 50 when the expectations were 150 or so at one point, then it isn't great for her authority, and her MPs no longer see her coat-tails as a great place to be for the next decade, frankly.0 -
You Lefties only wanted a "Second Front" after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"0 -
The Fabian Society used to have a logo of a wolf in sheeps clothing, socialists will happily use deception and lies and populist messaging in order to achieve their real objective, the creation of a socialist state. Corbyn is a communist , and would turn us into Venezuela given the chance.MarkSenior said:
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Indeed. His speech was not too different from what Farage has said previously.MarkSenior said:
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
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I can't see many Tories not voting if they think Corbyn stands a genuine chance of winning. Agree otherwise. May is appalling, Corbyn worse.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Really? Tories were regularly in the high 40s at one point in the campaign, and are regularly low 40s now. Additionally, they appear (to me) to be losing a lot of the enthusiasm of their support. The over 65s are a pretty rock solid Tory voting block, and I can't see big numbers switching to Corbyn. But, post Dementia Tax, I can see decent numbers finding they have pressing work to do in the garden on 8th June.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
I agree Corbyn won't win. That's not the mood I'm picking up, which is more dead cat bounce combined with quite a canny campaign so far. But if May does indeed fluff it to the extent she gets a majority below 50 when the expectations were 150 or so at one point, then it isn't great for her authority, and her MPs no longer see her coat-tails as a great place to be for the next decade, frankly.0 -
"BBC - Sir Cliff Richard and South Yorkshire Police have settled a legal fight over reports naming him as suspected sex offender.
The singer sought damages from the force, and the BBC, over media coverage of a police raid on his home in 2014."
The BBC will be next no doubt and with a big legal fee to pay.0 -
You haven't answered my question,what is labours policy on immigration,anyone ?Tykejohnno said:
You have a one trick pony. People vote for many reasons.surbiton said:
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbynblueblue said:Tykejohnno said:Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
To encourage emmigration!
Brexit, but no arbitrary limit on numbers with visas as per the needs of the country.0 -
That is not correct, yougov yesterday gave May a bigger lead with C2DEs than ABC1s post manifesto, it is mainly ABC1 Liberals who have made a net move to Corbyn since 2015, C2DE UKIP voters have gone ToryPong said:
He can eat into TM's C2DE vote though.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
If he can persuade half to vote for him - and the other half not to vote for her, he'll get into downing street.
She's nicking their kids dinner money while obsessing over wealthy peoples inheritances.
There is no jam for the JAM's.
She might be able to fix this with some kind of significant new spending commitment.
It'll cost, though.0 -
Oh Don't be so pathetic in your arguments . No one will treat them seriously even the many fellow Conservatives on here who will see them as ludicrous .kjohnw said:
The Fabian Society used to have a logo of a wolf in sheeps clothing, socialists will happily use deception and lies and populist messaging in order to achieve their real objective, the creation of a socialist state. Corbyn is a communist , and would turn us into Venezuela given the chance.MarkSenior said:
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".MarkSenior said:
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
so when John McDonnell said he was a marxist he was lying?MarkSenior said:
Oh Don't be so pathetic in your arguments . No one will treat them seriously even the many fellow Conservatives on here who will see them as ludicrous .kjohnw said:
The Fabian Society used to have a logo of a wolf in sheeps clothing, socialists will happily use deception and lies and populist messaging in order to achieve their real objective, the creation of a socialist state. Corbyn is a communist , and would turn us into Venezuela given the chance.MarkSenior said:
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Mark Senior is suddenly a lefty...I just fell off the edge of the map!MarkSenior said:
Oh Don't be so pathetic in your arguments . No one will treat them seriously even the many fellow Conservatives on here who will see them as ludicrous .kjohnw said:
The Fabian Society used to have a logo of a wolf in sheeps clothing, socialists will happily use deception and lies and populist messaging in order to achieve their real objective, the creation of a socialist state. Corbyn is a communist , and would turn us into Venezuela given the chance.MarkSenior said:
I listened to Corbyn's speech objectively . Seems that you are criticising what you thought he was going to say rather than what he actually said and the way in which he said it .kjohnw said:
a Corbyn loving Limping Deadocrat!surbiton said:
Mark is a well known Liberal Democrat.kjohnw said:
as a Corbynite you obviously disagree with the PLP thenMarkSenior said:
Yep , it was a Strong and Stable performance from Corbyn .FF43 said:
The Conservative spin operation is attacking Corbyn on what they wanted him to say rather than what he actually said. I have to admit Corbyn has surprised me. He has managed to sound reasonable in a security speech and at the same come across as sympathetic to the victims, supportive of those that try to keep us safe and determined to boost protection to the extent it can be.rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.0 -
Corbyn does not know difference between a hedge fund and a private equity firmWhisperingOracle said:
Correct. The caricatures of his and his team's position on domestic economic policy are the least convincing. In other areas, the caricatures are somewhat nearer the truth.Cyan said:
Corbyn is not any kind of Marxist. From the first page of the Labour manifesto:Pong said:Corbyn isn't a very good marxist.
"Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards."
That is not what Marxists believe.
http://www.cityam.com/264929/jeremy-corbyns-bizarre-war-city-hedge-funds-continues
'We asked the Labour Party to provide evidence of a hedge fund buying a small business before ‘selling its ideas’ and shutting it down, and the only example that came close to the description involved a private equity firm. When pushed as to whether Corbyn knew the difference between hedge funds and private equity, the conversation ended.'
The point about private equity/venture capital is that they invest in young, emerging companies,but rarely take overall control.
Corbyn buys the Morning Star because it is the only daily media outlet that supports his views. Personally I think we can safely say Corbyn is a marxist. We can be certain he is ignorant.
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Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
To encourage emmigration!foxinsoxuk said:
You haven't answered my question,what is labours policy on immigration,anyone ?Tykejohnno said:
You have a one trick pony. People vote for many reasons.surbiton said:
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbynblueblue said:Tykejohnno said:Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
Brexit, but no arbitrary limit on numbers with visas as per the needs of the country.
That could mean anything.-from thousands to millions.in 5 years.
Asylum numbers will be seperate to that ?0 -
Corbyn in 1940 would not through choice have been at war with Nazi Germany at all. They were allied with the USSR so that made them the good guys. A Spitfire pilot would have been Corbyn's class enemy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You Lefties only wanted a "Second Front" after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"
He would have been cheering on the Luftwaffe.0 -
From the New Statesman Consituency polling - Ceredigion is 33% Lib Dems 32% Plaid0
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Why did I think of TSE about the subtle 'pun' ruined by sub-editors here...
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/8680893413017108480 -
It's all very reminiscent of Trump campaigning on saying the Iraq war was a disaster and the US should be friendly towards Russia, while the GOP disowned him in disgust. The Labour party is owning both sides of the argument at the moment.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
I expect that objective observers will see another competent performance by Corbyn tonight v Andrew Neil but we will see .Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
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"We love the poorly educated..."HYUFD said:
That is not correct, yougov yesterday gave May a bigger lead with C2DEs than ABC1s post manifesto, it is mainly ABC1 Liberals who have made a net move to Corbyn since 2015, C2DE UKIP voters have gone ToryPong said:
He can eat into TM's C2DE vote though.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
If he can persuade half to vote for him - and the other half not to vote for her, he'll get into downing street.
She's nicking their kids dinner money while obsessing over wealthy peoples inheritances.
There is no jam for the JAM's.
She might be able to fix this with some kind of significant new spending commitment.
It'll cost, though.
(N.B. I know poorly educated doesn't always mean C2DE)0 -
I think you could be right.MarkSenior said:
I expect that objective observers will see another competent performance by Corbyn tonight v Andrew Neil but we will see .Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
It is disgraceful when people put a blatant sexual innuendo at the end of their pieces. You wouldn't catch me doing that.Scrapheap_as_was said:Why did I think of TSE about the subtle 'pun' ruined by sub-editors here...
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/868089341301710848
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/05/07/is-theresa-may-planning-on-toppling-tim-farron/0 -
There's a fairly strong chance, come polling day, that they won't think Corbyn has a genuine chance of winning. Indeed, outside the bubble of this sort of site, I don't think the Corbyn winning narrative has much traction.midwinter said:
I can't see many Tories not voting if they think Corbyn stands a genuine chance of winning. Agree otherwise. May is appalling, Corbyn worse.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Really? Tories were regularly in the high 40s at one point in the campaign, and are regularly low 40s now. Additionally, they appear (to me) to be losing a lot of the enthusiasm of their support. The over 65s are a pretty rock solid Tory voting block, and I can't see big numbers switching to Corbyn. But, post Dementia Tax, I can see decent numbers finding they have pressing work to do in the garden on 8th June.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
I agree Corbyn won't win. That's not the mood I'm picking up, which is more dead cat bounce combined with quite a canny campaign so far. But if May does indeed fluff it to the extent she gets a majority below 50 when the expectations were 150 or so at one point, then it isn't great for her authority, and her MPs no longer see her coat-tails as a great place to be for the next decade, frankly.
It therefore stands a good chance of being a bit like 2005 (with the parties reversed), when the outcome in terms of winner was never really in doubt (Labour consistently had high single figure, even low double figure leads) but Labour supporters weren't hugely enthused and Labour won more narrowly (in vote share, though not particularly seats) than most thought.0 -
It must have been a great shock for KKR to find out that Boots was a young, emerging company. I guess we'll have to classify that period between 1849 and the 2012-14 buyout transactions as "startup phase".TMA1 said:
Corbyn does not know difference between a hedge fund and a private equity firmWhisperingOracle said:
Correct. The caricatures of his and his team's position on domestic economic policy are the least convincing. In other areas, the caricatures are somewhat nearer the truth.Cyan said:
Corbyn is not any kind of Marxist. From the first page of the Labour manifesto:Pong said:Corbyn isn't a very good marxist.
"Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards."
That is not what Marxists believe.
http://www.cityam.com/264929/jeremy-corbyns-bizarre-war-city-hedge-funds-continues
'We asked the Labour Party to provide evidence of a hedge fund buying a small business before ‘selling its ideas’ and shutting it down, and the only example that came close to the description involved a private equity firm. When pushed as to whether Corbyn knew the difference between hedge funds and private equity, the conversation ended.'
The point about private equity/venture capital is that they invest in young, emerging companies,but rarely take overall control.
Corbyn buys the Morning Star because it is the only daily media outlet that supports his views. Personally I think we can safely say Corbyn is a marxist. We can be certain he is ignorant.0 -
Seems highly unlikely. Corbyn's spiritual forefathers, such as Michael Foot, were actually preparing for a kind of communist "British partisans" domestic resistance against the Nazis, while elements in Mi5 at the time (1939-40 ), linked to the Halifax faction, were actually preparing for coilaboration.Alice_Aforethought said:
Corbyn in 1940 would not through choice have been at war with Nazi Germany at all. They were allied with the USSR so that made them the good guys. A Spitfire pilot would have been Corbyn's class enemy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You Lefties only wanted a "Second Front" after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"
He would have been cheering on the Luftwaffe.0 -
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or even collaboration !WhisperingOracle said:
Seems highly unlikely. Corbyn's spiritual forefathers, such as Michael Foot, were actually preparing for a kind of communist "British partisans" domestic resistance against the Nazis, while elements in Mi5 at the time (1939-40 ), linked to the Halifax faction, were actually preparing for coilaboration.Alice_Aforethought said:
Corbyn in 1940 would not through choice have been at war with Nazi Germany at all. They were allied with the USSR so that made them the good guys. A Spitfire pilot would have been Corbyn's class enemy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You Lefties only wanted a "Second Front" after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"
He would have been cheering on the Luftwaffe.0 -
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I understand why you have morphed into a Corbynista right before our very eyes. Your leader, the absurd Fishfinger (great name for a future Bond movie), is even worse than Corbyn.MarkSenior said:
I expect that objective observers will see another competent performance by Corbyn tonight v Andrew Neil but we will see .Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
At no stage since June 24th 2016 have I been convinced Brexit will ever happen.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, and I think it will result in a limited press-aided win. All the ramifications of that for Brexit, as only a few people have mentioned here so far, might actually be the most relevant - and also might be one unexamined dynamic for the collection of support around Corbyn.foxinsoxuk said:
Vote for misery, vote for May.dixiedean said:
People have heard it for 2 years, though. There are diminishing marginal returns on this. How about some positive reasons to vote Conservative?WhisperingOracle said:
The Mail and Sun will know they're facing a big test of their influence, now. Expect all the big guns to come out, as with the absolute blizzard of "IRA TRAITOR FAILS TO SING NATIONAL ANTHEM" propaganda pieces at exactly the moment Corbyn won the leadership, to set the tone on him early on.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Nothing positive to look forward under a May government. That is the flaw at the heart of her campaign.
Small majority, dent to an overconfident tory campaign , and the more hubristic ultra-Brexiteer Tories, might be subtly linked to a softer, more manageable, less reckless Brexit, in quite a few voters' minds.
I remain of that view. These horror polls make it all the more likely we'll never leave in any meaningful sense of the word.0 -
dont think much of the public will be watching tonight - many will be out in their gardens BBQ poss and of course travelling for the Bank Holiday /Half term holidaySeanT said:
Sadly, I don't think the public especially cares. There has been movement TOWARDS Labour after the Manc attack.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
That says it all. It's still that fucking manifesto, and Labour's lunatic promises, which are doing the job.
The Tories need to come up with one single brilliant idea. A giveaway. Fuck it. They have to, or we will end up governed by Pol Pot, Chairwoman Mao and a demented dustman in a vest.0 -
Indeed though Tories still lead with ABC1s just not as much as with C2DEsPeterMannion said:
"We love the poorly educated..."HYUFD said:
That is not correct, yougov yesterday gave May a bigger lead with C2DEs than ABC1s post manifesto, it is mainly ABC1 Liberals who have made a net move to Corbyn since 2015, C2DE UKIP voters have gone ToryPong said:
He can eat into TM's C2DE vote though.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
If he can persuade half to vote for him - and the other half not to vote for her, he'll get into downing street.
She's nicking their kids dinner money while obsessing over wealthy peoples inheritances.
There is no jam for the JAM's.
She might be able to fix this with some kind of significant new spending commitment.
It'll cost, though.
(N.B. I know poorly educated doesn't always mean C2DE)0 -
Jezza will argue his corner well.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
The smell of brown trousers from the Tories is very telling. Is this all that you've got?0 -
But what he said is essentially correct whatever you might think of the inappropriateness of the timing.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
If you need evidence that the majority of the British electorate agree that our adventurism in the Middle East is in large part responsible for stirring up the hornets nest look at the success of Charlie Kennedy whose only memorable action was condemning Iraq.0 -
Jason said:
Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
We can only hope. The Tories and their media need to go MASSIVE on this, right now. No politeness, no 'decency', no quarter.
Literally posters of Corbyn on one side, the Manchester attacker on the other, and 'DON'T LET HIM WIN' underneath. Nasty, but effective.0 -
The problem is on a hot sunny Bank Holiday weekend , on a Friday night, how many realistically will be watching Jeremy Corbyn being interviewed by Andrew Neil? I suspect most will be out in the garden enjoying the weather. The only way the public will become aware of the interview is if Neil absolutely rattles Corbyn and gets him to meltdown and squirm on live TV. I wouldn't pin my hopes on that, the Tories have to go all out against Corbyn every day now until polling day, He IS the problem for Labour and the focus needs to be on his dodgy past and views, it has to get dirty now, no more niceties .SeanT said:
Sadly, I don't think the public especially cares. There has been movement TOWARDS Labour after the Manc attack.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
That says it all. It's still that fucking manifesto, and Labour's lunatic promises, which are doing the job.
The Tories need to come up with one single brilliant idea. A giveaway. Fuck it. They have to, or we will end up governed by Pol Pot, Chairwoman Mao and a demented dustman in a vest.0 -
France opposed the Iraq War....Roger said:
But what he said is essentially correct whatever you might think of the inappropriateness of the timing.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
If you need evidence that the majority of the British electorate agree that our adventurism in the Middle East is in large part responsible for stirring up the hornets nest look at the success of Charlie Kennedy whose only memorable action was condemning Iraq.0 -
They have not put forward a single POSITIVE reason to vote Conservative. There must be one somewhere in their manifesto, but it seems they cannot find it.SeanT said:
Sadly, I don't think the public especially cares. There has been movement TOWARDS Labour after the Manc attack.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
That says it all. It's still that fucking manifesto, and Labour's lunatic promises, which are doing the job.
The Tories need to come up with one single brilliant idea. A giveaway. Fuck it. They have to, or we will end up governed by Pol Pot, Chairwoman Mao and a demented dustman in a vest.
It really does seem that May decided on this election on a walking holiday in Wales. At the time I assumed there was some cunning well-hidden strategy which had been thought through and focus grouped to hell.
Apparently, there wasn't. It was look Jeremy Corbyn.
Still gonna win though. 100+0 -
But either would be better than Mrs Weak and Wobbly .Jason said:
I understand why you have morphed into a Corbynista right before our very eyes. Your leader, the absurd Fishfinger (great name for a future Bond movie), is even worse than Corbyn.MarkSenior said:
I expect that objective observers will see another competent performance by Corbyn tonight v Andrew Neil but we will see .Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
Andrew Neil would have questioned Corbyn about his past associations anyway, speech or no speech. Corbyn is well prepared and rehearsed on the subject. I'm sure you're right about the Sun, Mail and Express but they're preaching to their own.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
Exactly, at the moment Corbyn will win huge majorities in inner London, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Hull etc but May will win narrow victories in Labour marginals in the north and Midlands so the Tories will get more seats per vote than LabourSeanT said:
Let's not forget the huge electoral BIAS against Labour, now in play, due to differentials and Scotland.HYUFD said:
That is not correct, yougov yesterday gave May a bigger lead with C2DEs than ABC1s post manifesto, it is mainly ABC1 Liberals who have made a net move to Corbyn since 2015, C2DE UKIP voters have gone ToryPong said:
He can eat into TM's C2DE vote though.HYUFD said:
Not unless he starts gaining more Tory voters than he is losing which is not happening at the moment, his net gains are coming mainly from the LDs with a bit from UKIP toobobajobPB said:
Corbyn surely couldn't win this thing. Could he?rkrkrk said:
Yesterday I thought this was a big mistake from Corbyn.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
Now I'm not so certain. Everything the Mail is saying they probably would have said anyway.
At least he's got out in front of it and had a crack at getting a few soundbites in.
If he can persuade half to vote for him - and the other half not to vote for her, he'll get into downing street.
She's nicking their kids dinner money while obsessing over wealthy peoples inheritances.
There is no jam for the JAM's.
She might be able to fix this with some kind of significant new spending commitment.
It'll cost, though.
A result like
Con: 39:
Lab: 41
LD: 8
UKIP: 3
Green: 3
when Baxtered, on UNS, makes Tories the largest party by 59 seats, too much for a LAB-SNP Coalition to work even if they wanted. It would probably be a very very unstable Coalition of Tories, LDs and DUP. And another election in a year. Fuck knows what that would do to Brexit.
Corbyn has to get 42 or above to start thinking about winning, and 43 or 44 to start thinking about an overall majority.0 -
There may well be a smell of brown trousers, yes. And it's easy to understand why. JEREMY CORBYN could be our PM, JOHN MCDONNELL could be our Chancellor, and DIANE ABBOTT could be our Home Secretary.foxinsoxuk said:
Jezza will argue his corner well.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
The smell of brown trousers from the Tories is very telling. Is this all that you've got?
Of course I'm fucking worried!!!0 -
That's shored up the hedge fund vote for the blue team: Mayfair for May.TMA1 said:
Corbyn does not know difference between a hedge fund and a private equity firmWhisperingOracle said:
Correct. The caricatures of his and his team's position on domestic economic policy are the least convincing. In other areas, the caricatures are somewhat nearer the truth.Cyan said:
Corbyn is not any kind of Marxist. From the first page of the Labour manifesto:Pong said:Corbyn isn't a very good marxist.
"Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards."
That is not what Marxists believe.
http://www.cityam.com/264929/jeremy-corbyns-bizarre-war-city-hedge-funds-continues
'We asked the Labour Party to provide evidence of a hedge fund buying a small business before ‘selling its ideas’ and shutting it down, and the only example that came close to the description involved a private equity firm. When pushed as to whether Corbyn knew the difference between hedge funds and private equity, the conversation ended.'
The point about private equity/venture capital is that they invest in young, emerging companies,but rarely take overall control.
Corbyn buys the Morning Star because it is the only daily media outlet that supports his views. Personally I think we can safely say Corbyn is a marxist. We can be certain he is ignorant.0 -
Jason. You're frothing.Jason said:
I understand why you have morphed into a Corbynista right before our very eyes. Your leader, the absurd Fishfinger (great name for a future Bond movie), is even worse than Corbyn.MarkSenior said:
I expect that objective observers will see another competent performance by Corbyn tonight v Andrew Neil but we will see .Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.0 -
The company he keeps,i really can see him doing a merkel in all refugees/migrants welcome.Tykejohnno said:
Open doors. Enjoy life under Corbynblueblue said:Tykejohnno said:Surbition posted -
The North is back with Labour.
What is labour's immigration policy ? Serious question for us northern folk who voted brexit to control immigration.
You can count on it 100% - his base is pure Merkel 2015 on this, and so is he. Labour voters need to have a really hard think about the consequences of a Corbyn win.0 -
The more the concentration on Corbyn, the more the Labour lead increases.kjohnw said:
The problem is on a hot sunny Bank Holiday weekend , on a Friday night, how many realistically will be watching Jeremy Corbyn being interviewed by Andrew Neil? I suspect most will be out in the garden enjoying the weather. The only way the public will become aware of the interview is if Neil absolutely rattles Corbyn and gets him to meltdown and squirm on live TV. I wouldn't pin my hopes on that, the Tories have to go all out against Corbyn every day now until polling day, He IS the problem for Labour and the focus needs to be on his dodgy past and views, it has to get dirty now, no more niceties .SeanT said:
Sadly, I don't think the public especially cares. There has been movement TOWARDS Labour after the Manc attack.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
That says it all. It's still that fucking manifesto, and Labour's lunatic promises, which are doing the job.
The Tories need to come up with one single brilliant idea. A giveaway. Fuck it. They have to, or we will end up governed by Pol Pot, Chairwoman Mao and a demented dustman in a vest.
Corbyn combines English eccentricity and phlegmatism in a way that Britons actually like. Concentrating on him, while producing no positive reason to vote Tory has been the problem, not the solution.0 -
Nasty Yes and it will be totally counter productive . Simply shows the Conservatives as a Party with no positive reason(s) to vote for them .blueblue said:Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
We can only hope. The Tories and their media need to go MASSIVE on this, right now. No politeness, no 'decency', no quarter.
Literally posters of Corbyn on one side, the Manchester attacker on the other, and 'DON'T LET HIM WIN' underneath. Nasty, but effective.0 -
If not for fair...DecrepitJohnL said:
That's shored up the hedge fund vote for the blue team: Mayfair for May.TMA1 said:
Corbyn does not know difference between a hedge fund and a private equity firmWhisperingOracle said:
Correct. The caricatures of his and his team's position on domestic economic policy are the least convincing. In other areas, the caricatures are somewhat nearer the truth.Cyan said:
Corbyn is not any kind of Marxist. From the first page of the Labour manifesto:Pong said:Corbyn isn't a very good marxist.
"Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards."
That is not what Marxists believe.
http://www.cityam.com/264929/jeremy-corbyns-bizarre-war-city-hedge-funds-continues
'We asked the Labour Party to provide evidence of a hedge fund buying a small business before ‘selling its ideas’ and shutting it down, and the only example that came close to the description involved a private equity firm. When pushed as to whether Corbyn knew the difference between hedge funds and private equity, the conversation ended.'
The point about private equity/venture capital is that they invest in young, emerging companies,but rarely take overall control.
Corbyn buys the Morning Star because it is the only daily media outlet that supports his views. Personally I think we can safely say Corbyn is a marxist. We can be certain he is ignorant.0 -
Forgive me. Must have missed the Sun, Mail and Express niceties with JC.kjohnw said:
The problem is on a hot sunny Bank Holiday weekend , on a Friday night, how many realistically will be watching Jeremy Corbyn being interviewed by Andrew Neil? I suspect most will be out in the garden enjoying the weather. The only way the public will become aware of the interview is if Neil absolutely rattles Corbyn and gets him to meltdown and squirm on live TV. I wouldn't pin my hopes on that, the Tories have to go all out against Corbyn every day now until polling day, He IS the problem for Labour and the focus needs to be on his dodgy past and views, it has to get dirty now, no more niceties .SeanT said:
Sadly, I don't think the public especially cares. There has been movement TOWARDS Labour after the Manc attack.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
That says it all. It's still that fucking manifesto, and Labour's lunatic promises, which are doing the job.
The Tories need to come up with one single brilliant idea. A giveaway. Fuck it. They have to, or we will end up governed by Pol Pot, Chairwoman Mao and a demented dustman in a vest.0 -
What Corbyn should have said today?
https://twitter.com/twlldun/status/8680446837920030780 -
A few weeks back there were posters arguing that a landslide majority would mean a soft Brexit. It seems like everything leads to a soft Brexit - except for what May actually says and does on the issue (no single market, no customs union, immigration controls a priority and no ECJ oversight, the three Brexiteers in charge of the key ministeries).WhisperingOracle said:Small majority, dent to an overconfident tory campaign , and the more hubristic ultra-Brexiteer Tories, might be subtly linked to a softer, more manageable, less reckless Brexit, in quite a few voters' minds.
It's more believable that a diminished May, forced to ditch the NI increase in the budget, forced to u-turn on a manifesto pledge during the election campaign, etc, will be seen as an easy target for determined Brexiteers on the Conservative backbenchers.0 -
SeanT having a meltdown. Must be
Monday Tuesday Wednesday ThursdayFriday0 -
And the negotiators in Brussels.OblitusSumMe said:It's more believable that a diminished May, forced to ditch the NI increase in the budget, forced to u-turn on a manifesto pledge during the election campaign, etc, will be seen as an easy target for determined Brexiteers on the Conservative backbenchers.
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We're 12 days out - people are as positive about the Tories as they're ever going to be in this campaign. What we can do in those 12 days is to make a vote for Jeremy synonymous with letting the terrorists win. And that will stop his ratings rise reaching dangerous levels.MarkSenior said:
Nasty Yes and it will be totally counter productive . Simply shows the Conservatives as a Party with no positive reason(s) to vote for them .blueblue said:Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
We can only hope. The Tories and their media need to go MASSIVE on this, right now. No politeness, no 'decency', no quarter.
Literally posters of Corbyn on one side, the Manchester attacker on the other, and 'DON'T LET HIM WIN' underneath. Nasty, but effective.0 -
It's Donald Trump.Sandpit said:What Corbyn should have said today?
https://twitter.com/twlldun/status/868044683792003078
No Trump, No US Apprentice TV Series.
No US Apprentice, No UK Apprentice.
No UK Apprentice, No Katie Hopkins.
Whoever first commissioned the US Apprentice has a lot to answer for.0 -
And of course the book Guilty Men, published in 1940 by Foot et al, absolutely trashed the pre-war conservative administrations and destroyed many reputations, notably Baldwin's.WhisperingOracle said:
or even collaboration !WhisperingOracle said:
Seems highly unlikely. Corbyn's spiritual forefathers, such as Michael Foot, were actually preparing for a kind of communist "British partisans" domestic resistance against the Nazis, while elements in Mi5 at the time (1939-40 ), linked to the Halifax faction, were actually preparing for coilaboration.Alice_Aforethought said:
Corbyn in 1940 would not through choice have been at war with Nazi Germany at all. They were allied with the USSR so that made them the good guys. A Spitfire pilot would have been Corbyn's class enemy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You Lefties only wanted a "Second Front" after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.MarkSenior said:
It was the Conservatives ( Churchill excepted ) who liked to have tea with Herr Hitler and exchange bits of paper with him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn in 1940.Jason said:
Corbyn's approach to terrorism - 'a kind of elaborate hand wringing'. Said by a Guardian columnist.rottenborough said:Corbyn has gone down well with the Mail headline writers:
"Making excuses for terrorism: Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to exploit Manchester bombing by blaming British Middle East military adventures"
"Chaps, clearly the War against Nazism isn't working. We've had to evacuate Dunkirk, and France is on the verge of collapse. Let's have a nice chat over tea with Herr Hitler!"
He would have been cheering on the Luftwaffe.
Appeasement became a dirty word after that, if it wasn't beforehand.0 -
I'm not for any party,i haven't decided yet but i voted brexit to control our borders and I will not be voting for a party that will ignore my vote to make things worst.foxinsoxuk said:
Jezza will argue his corner well.Jason said:Could Andrew Neil be the saviour the Tories are looking for tonight?
It's one of the major reasons why I believe Corbyn has made a huge strategic error with his speech today.
In the wake of the Islamist attack in Manchester, his speech has legitimised confronting him over his past associations and sympathies. He has now invited that upon himself.
None of his apologists (and it seems there are quite a few on this very site) can now accuse anyone of playing politics with terror - because he has done so himself. He can't wriggle his way out of a line of questioning now that he perhaps possibly could have before today.
Expect every single utterance he makes to be printed ad nauseum in the Mail, the Sun, and the Express.
Unless, of course, the public want terrorist appeasement as UK foregin policy.
The smell of brown trousers from the Tories is very telling. Is this all that you've got?
What is labours policy on brexit,free trade agreement we know but to what price will we pay with a remain labour party backing - open borders or a retreat of staying in ?0 -
Bloody hell, Rex Tillerson put on a plane to London to apologise to Boris in person for intelligence leaks to US media.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/us-secretary-state-rex-tillerson-makes-snap-visit-uk-amid-anger/0
